I want a Seeing Eye Maltese Dwarf Elephant. (Can you housetrain a Seeing Eye horse, or does the blind guy have to stay outdoors all the time? Because that could be a drawback.)
Austro, if I spent my life worrying about having to conceal previous hair/lifestyle choices...well, I certainly wouldn't have had as much fun as I have.
Ah, head-squids. Coming soon to a disgruntled postal worker near you!
And even though #3 is a comedy site it begs the question, would pigs make good seeing-eye animals? They are incredibly smart after all (except for the cannibal pig my cousins had as a pet when we were little. It liked to eat porkchops.)
I admit my grammar is not what it should be (my first slam by wolfson!), but doesn't the phrase "beg the question" mean "makes you wonder?" I've always heard it used that way.
Yes. In the linked post I said, "[c]onstantly trying to correct people who use 'beg' to mean 'raise' is futile," and I could have added, "but inevitable at the Mineshaft."
Wolfson wolfson wolfson. If I say "so-and-so tried to correct wossname" I'm implicating that so-and-so failed. But I'm not saying it. Read chapter 2 or 3 or so of Jennifer Hornsby's Actions, or the article by Brian O'Shaughnessy (I think) that she cites therein.
If you can provide an example of someone using 'beg the question' to mean 'raise the question' at the Mineshaft without someone's correcting that person, I will withdraw 'constantly'.
Yes. It should be. I simply don't know what happened.
Re 42: can't I be permitted to speak colloquially, while simultaneously expecting others to speak precisely? "Saying" has, as one of its colloquial meanings, "implicating", as I'm sure you're aware.
Yes but one of the corollaries is that I can say "Constantly trying to correct" without even a false implication when there is some uncertainty about your success in even one case. We have not, for instance, succeeded with Mr. Drum; he remains not right.
Someone did, which is all I need for the truth of my original statement and all its implicatures ('at the Mineshaft' doesn't restrict 'constantly trying to correct' in the first subsentence, whose predicate is 'is futile'). And even for you in particular, I cannot be certain that all your attempts to correct have succeeded even if in fact they have--again enough to satisfy the implicatures. Also.
I suppose it is possible to breed the smarts out of a dog but they don't seem to be able to breed smarts into a horse. They seem like huge skittish four year old kids.
Trobriand Cricket is a fascinating anthropological documentary from the '70s about how the natives of the Trobriand Islands had taken the game of cricket (introduced to them by British colonialists, natch), and adapted it to incorporate many of their native traditions. The PK reference is explained in the eighth row of this table. PK stands in opposition to the "gentlemanly cheer" of the Brits, which I thought would please you, given this.
Trobriand Cricket apparently rules. I like the any number can play part. 50-60 people per side. Plus since it is fixed, they will probably let anybody play. I'm in.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch...the tiny ponies!!!! Hahahaha! Bravo, Fontana! Did anyone appreciate the delicate conscience of these trainers whose extra purpose is... "helping the tiny horses by providing them with a higher-purpose in life"?!
Also, I wonder why "there is a strong demand for Guide Horses among blind horse lovers"? Why would they want to use "blind horses" to lead the blind? Maybe because they're such great lovers.
I suppose it is possible to breed the smarts out of a dog but they don't seem to be able to breed smarts into a horse. They seem like huge skittish four year old kids.
They're not stupid, although they do tend to be skittish and resistant to following directions. They're one of the least domesticated of the domesticated animals, they've still got a lot of "wild" in them.
those would be such chick-magnets.
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 10:25 AM
Controversy!
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 10:48 AM
There are options.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 10:51 AM
I want a Seeing Eye Maltese Dwarf Elephant. (Can you housetrain a Seeing Eye horse, or does the blind guy have to stay outdoors all the time? Because that could be a drawback.)
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 11:02 AM
We are ignoring the important thing here, which is that Labs has gone blind.
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 11:14 AM
Can you housetrain a Seeing Eye horse
Sure looks like it.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 11:16 AM
God I hope not: The horse is gonna make a mess of that sofa
Posted by Austro | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 11:18 AM
Me, I want a seeing-eye head-squid.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 11:18 AM
5: from too much cry cry crying, I guess.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 11:18 AM
Ah, the perils of shaving one's palms while blind.
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 11:20 AM
I just want an all-seeing eye, in the middle of my forehead.
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 11:22 AM
Ben, its been tried. I think a bad time was had by all.
Posted by Austro | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 11:23 AM
Wow, who would have known horses were smart enough for this.
In my experience the average horse is rather dense.
Posted by Tripp | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 11:32 AM
Dogs are the only animal that has been bred for stupidity.
Or so I've been told.
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 11:33 AM
Dogs are the only animal that has been bred for stupidity.
The intelligence differential between wild turkeys and domesticated turkeys is pretty damn vast.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 11:36 AM
The speed of uptake on LHF in sexual matters is vastly different to the speed of uptake on political LHF around here it seems.
Well Im not going to bite first in re 14.
Posted by Austro | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 11:39 AM
LHF – that's the band that straddles the more prominent bits of the spectrum, right?
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 11:49 AM
Offtopic, but:
I got the job. I start in 2.5 weeks. Thanks to all for the vibes!
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 11:50 AM
LHF?
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 11:52 AM
apos, #8 is really creepy. I think I'm going to have nightmares tonight.
crongrats, Chopper. Is McDonalds looking to hire more people? 'cuz I'm looking...
Posted by mike d | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 11:55 AM
Low Hanging Fruit, I think Austro means.
Congratz chopper. Can those vibes be redeemed for cash value?
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 12:47 PM
I feel stupid.
I saw the braille at the top of the screen and by reflex I felt for the bumps on my monitor.
So stupid.
Rich
Posted by Rich | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 12:50 PM
Offtopic, but:
I got the job. I start in 2.5 weeks. Thanks to all for the vibes!
Chopper first off well done, honestly.
Now then. What is it worth to you not to have your employer see this?
That is indeed quite the mullet. I had one as well. Hair to my shoulderblades, with a flattop on top.
In my defense, it was South Dakota in 1989, and I was listening to a lot of Iron Maiden.
hmm?
Posted by Austro | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 12:59 PM
Austro, if I spent my life worrying about having to conceal previous hair/lifestyle choices...well, I certainly wouldn't have had as much fun as I have.
Thanks, all.
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 1:03 PM
Vibes can be redeemed for .01 cents cash value. One per user. Please present in person at my house.
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 1:05 PM
Low Hanging Fruit, I think Austro means.
You mean it has nothing to do with straddling something prominent, nor with lesbians?
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 1:07 PM
Good for you, Chopper.
Posted by Austro | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 1:07 PM
but maybe with straddling low hanging prominent lesbians
Posted by Austro | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 1:08 PM
Christ, those head-squids. Just when you thought Nature was really cute with those microhorses. . . .
Posted by Kriston | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 1:09 PM
Ah, head-squids. Coming soon to a disgruntled postal worker near you!
And even though #3 is a comedy site it begs the question, would pigs make good seeing-eye animals? They are incredibly smart after all (except for the cannibal pig my cousins had as a pet when we were little. It liked to eat porkchops.)
Posted by Karyn | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 1:23 PM
It does what to the question, now?
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 1:23 PM
Congrats, Chopper!
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 1:25 PM
Every pedant's favorite topic.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 1:25 PM
I admit my grammar is not what it should be (my first slam by wolfson!), but doesn't the phrase "beg the question" mean "makes you wonder?" I've always heard it used that way.
Posted by Karyn | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 1:32 PM
That is because the people with whom you discourse are fools!
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 1:34 PM
Oh Karyn. Karyn Karyn Karyn...
Here to start...
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 1:34 PM
Our own Matt Weiner recently found the courage to weigh in on this controversial topic.
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 1:35 PM
*blinks*
*thinks - "well that was toleran"t*
Posted by Austro | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 1:35 PM
Oh, I see. My mistake :)
Revised: And even though #3 is a comedy site it raises the question: would pigs make good seeing-eye animals?
Better?
Posted by Karyn | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 1:50 PM
Yes. In the linked post I said, "[c]onstantly trying to correct people who use 'beg' to mean 'raise' is futile," and I could have added, "but inevitable at the Mineshaft."
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 1:56 PM
But I don't constantly try to correct people. I support this claim with two points:
1. I'm doing it now, for instance.
2. To me, if you say "so-and-so tried to correct wossname", you're saying that so-and-so failed. But clearly this was a success.
Permit me to employ some more emphasis.
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 2:03 PM
Wolfson wolfson wolfson. If I say "so-and-so tried to correct wossname" I'm implicating that so-and-so failed. But I'm not saying it. Read chapter 2 or 3 or so of Jennifer Hornsby's Actions, or the article by Brian O'Shaughnessy (I think) that she cites therein.
If you can provide an example of someone using 'beg the question' to mean 'raise the question' at the Mineshaft without someone's correcting that person, I will withdraw 'constantly'.
(Shorter: pwned, loozer.)
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 2:06 PM
And shouldn't 41, point 1 be "I'm not doing it now" in order to support your conclusion?
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 2:07 PM
Yes. It should be. I simply don't know what happened.
Re 42: can't I be permitted to speak colloquially, while simultaneously expecting others to speak precisely? "Saying" has, as one of its colloquial meanings, "implicating", as I'm sure you're aware.
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 2:10 PM
Yes but one of the corollaries is that I can say "Constantly trying to correct" without even a false implication when there is some uncertainty about your success in even one case. We have not, for instance, succeeded with Mr. Drum; he remains not right.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 2:13 PM
Did we try to correct him here? I didn't even participate in the J&BHB thread, IIRC.
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 2:14 PM
If you think you're going to resolve this here, you've got another... oh never mind.
Posted by eb | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 2:21 PM
Someone did, which is all I need for the truth of my original statement and all its implicatures ('at the Mineshaft' doesn't restrict 'constantly trying to correct' in the first subsentence, whose predicate is 'is futile'). And even for you in particular, I cannot be certain that all your attempts to correct have succeeded even if in fact they have--again enough to satisfy the implicatures. Also.
Posted by Matt P. K. Weiner | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 2:22 PM
I suppose it is possible to breed the smarts out of a dog but they don't seem to be able to breed smarts into a horse. They seem like huge skittish four year old kids.
Posted by Tripp | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 2:32 PM
What does "PK" stand for? Pseudonymous Kid?
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 2:43 PM
What does "PK" stand for?
What? You never saw Trobriand Cricket?
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 2:55 PM
"pot, kettle"
(not entirely unprecedented)
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 3:33 PM
I didn't, apo--what's the ref?
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 3:34 PM
The PKI were the communists in Indonesia...
Posted by ac | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 3:37 PM
PK is also a mystical power.
Posted by ac | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 3:40 PM
Trobriand Cricket is a fascinating anthropological documentary from the '70s about how the natives of the Trobriand Islands had taken the game of cricket (introduced to them by British colonialists, natch), and adapted it to incorporate many of their native traditions. The PK reference is explained in the eighth row of this table. PK stands in opposition to the "gentlemanly cheer" of the Brits, which I thought would please you, given this.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 3:52 PM
I was close.
Posted by ac | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 3:55 PM
Trobriand Cricket apparently rules. I like the any number can play part. 50-60 people per side. Plus since it is fixed, they will probably let anybody play. I'm in.
Posted by joe o | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 5:42 PM
Meanwhile, back at the ranch...the tiny ponies!!!! Hahahaha! Bravo, Fontana! Did anyone appreciate the delicate conscience of these trainers whose extra purpose is... "helping the tiny horses by providing them with a higher-purpose in life"?!
Also, I wonder why "there is a strong demand for Guide Horses among blind horse lovers"? Why would they want to use "blind horses" to lead the blind? Maybe because they're such great lovers.
Oy, luv the mini ponies. Thanks, FL.
Posted by Judy | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 9:10 PM
I know. I was on my way to look for a frauhaus. You frats are just irresistible. Ding dongs and all.
Posted by Judy | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 9:17 PM
I suppose it is possible to breed the smarts out of a dog but they don't seem to be able to breed smarts into a horse. They seem like huge skittish four year old kids.
They're not stupid, although they do tend to be skittish and resistant to following directions. They're one of the least domesticated of the domesticated animals, they've still got a lot of "wild" in them.
Posted by Anonymous | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 10:41 PM
Um, 61 was me.
Posted by Mitch Mills | Link to this comment | 06- 9-05 10:43 PM
I know this is now dead, but, what the hey.
The "wild" in horses seems to be of the form:
"What's that? It is scary. I hear something. I'm scared. Should I run? I'm gonna run. A paper cup on the floor. Ahhh! Where could I run?"
The four year old is:
Do you have a treat?
No.
I want a treat.
No.
Do you have a treat?
Go away.
Did you give him a treat?
Go AWAY! (with push)
(move away five feet, come back)
I think I smell a treat.
Posted by Tripp | Link to this comment | 06-10-05 9:07 AM