I think you're taking this weigh too seriously, ogged. She's in for 120 days, max. The NYT will continue to pay her salary, and she'll be further compensated by the redemption of her reputation. Going to jail is a win across the board for her.
Uh, don't those two sentence mean the same thing, and aren't they prone to exactly the same misinterpretations? I'm unclear as to why the elimination of one of the "that"s is significant.
I'm with Ogged. In my mind, the prosecutor is firm-jawed and resolute but ultimately respects these journalists for taking the hit on principle. Probably played by Tom Hanks.
12: Nothing, it's just not how I read the sentence after my mind elided the second 'that'. Well, what's wrong with it is it's not as funny. Anyway, one 'that' ambiguous, two 'that's not.
It is difficult, but I have to say that that crack, much as I enjoyed it, is unbecoming an independent prosecutor.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 3:02 PM
I think you're taking this weigh too seriously, ogged. She's in for 120 days, max. The NYT will continue to pay her salary, and she'll be further compensated by the redemption of her reputation. Going to jail is a win across the board for her.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 3:05 PM
You wouldn't say that if the prosecutor WERE STEVE JOBS!
Posted by FL | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 3:05 PM
unbecoming an independent prosecutor
Which is okay, because he's conspicuously not one. Last I checked, anyway. Did that change?
Posted by slolernr | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 3:08 PM
So I read the comments before the post (reading comments first is easier on this machine) and I read the first sentence as:
Which seems more like something Alameida might say. I was looking forward to the story, anyway.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 3:08 PM
You're right, slol, special prosector, not independent.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 3:10 PM
Uh, don't those two sentence mean the same thing, and aren't they prone to exactly the same misinterpretations? I'm unclear as to why the elimination of one of the "that"s is significant.
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 3:11 PM
Weiner's all about the drug humor, ben. Which needn't trouble an ingenue.
Posted by slolernr | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 3:12 PM
oh, crack, right. I was thinking asscrack.
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 3:13 PM
Yah, I thought it was "(I have to say that) (crack, much as I enjoyed it...)" which reading is not available with the two 'that's.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 3:16 PM
I'm with Ogged. In my mind, the prosecutor is firm-jawed and resolute but ultimately respects these journalists for taking the hit on principle. Probably played by Tom Hanks.
Posted by Kriston | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 3:16 PM
Matt, what's wrong with "…(that crack, much as I enjoyed it…)"?
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 3:17 PM
Why would you be sharing crack with a special prosecutor?
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 3:18 PM
Matt, I follow what you're saying.
Posted by Kriston | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 3:19 PM
Alternatively, Kriston, it's just impossible for anyone not to hate Judith Miller.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 3:20 PM
So true. I have Courtney Love playing her.
Posted by Kriston | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 3:31 PM
12: Nothing, it's just not how I read the sentence after my mind elided the second 'that'. Well, what's wrong with it is it's not as funny. Anyway, one 'that' ambiguous, two 'that's not.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 4:20 PM
I think that it would be wrong to speculate gleefully about the possibility that in prison Miller might be abused in some spectacularly cinematic way.
Furthermore, in a high-profile case of this kind it's not at all likely to happen, so we should not allow ourselves to get our hopes up.
Posted by John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 4:46 PM
17: Two 'that's can be ambiguous. Compare:
I have to say that crack, much as I enjoyed it …
refers generally to the dope he used to smoke, while
I have to say that that crack, much as I enjoyed it …
refers to some particularly fine dope.
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 5:05 PM
But it would only refer to dope if dope had already been referred to, which, again, wouldn't be ambiguous.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 5:12 PM
Can we at least call her J-Low?
Posted by Kriston | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 5:14 PM
Cooper testifying, Miller led away by marshals.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 5:20 PM
I guess I have a higher tolerance for dangling anaphora.
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 5:26 PM
Orphaned anaphora.
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 5:34 PM
Afford an orphan, Anna?
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 5:43 PM
phornaphoranaphanorphan
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 5:44 PM
I had a feeling it would come to this, though I expected it to happen to Ben first.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 5:47 PM
Not moi?
Posted by ac | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 6:08 PM
Or me?
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 6:16 PM
I do not see the quote in the linked article; a google search of the blocked text also finds nothing. Nor does a search of the first quote.
Posted by MMGood | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 6:18 PM
Quotation at end of different article here.
Posted by eb | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 6:29 PM
Danke schon.
Posted by MMGood | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 6:32 PM
For anna, four, an orphan, anorphans confounded.
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 6:38 PM
For an orphan fan, four Anna fora.
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 07- 6-05 6:54 PM
Have you seen this? Sorry to drag the discussion on-topic.
Posted by andrew | Link to this comment | 07- 7-05 6:30 AM
Saw that last night; that's some tidbit, eh?
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 07- 7-05 7:57 AM
Ben, that is awesome.
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07- 7-05 8:27 AM