As far as I am aware there weren't significant large-scale objections to any of the public order measures - identity papers and blackout rules, mostly - introducing during the war.
The danger, of course, was a fairly in-your-face kind of a danger.
I believe Orwell wrote a number of essays where he describes those measures as approaching fascism. He comes down on the side of agreeing that they're necessary, but sees them as a significant curtailment of rights. I couldn't tell you what percentage of the UK public agreed with him, of course.
As a first step in protecting our freedoms, middle eastern-looking men must be prevented from having any contact with America's Swedish swimming teachers...
As a first step in protecting our freedoms, middle eastern-looking men must be prevented from having any contact with America's Swedish graduate students...
Actually, World War I might be a good example. For the most part, WWI is the only war not fought predominantly in the cities nor razing the citiies. Nearly every other war in recent history has involved some destruction of private property beyond the normal effects of war. If you want a time when nobody cared about the rights being infringed (as rights weren't enumerated), you can always look to the Norman invasion. What would the norman's do?
Not ironically, people are willing to give up the present value of their rights in hopes that this sacrifice will ensure the continued existance of previously uncurtailed rights. This just goes to show, as I mentioned in my blog today, that people are not in the right to blindly let politicians govern them, but at the same time are not capable of making the decisions on an individual level to benefit the whole of society.
Cuban Missile Crisis?
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 9:31 AM
Greek wars with Persia?
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 9:54 AM
World War II in the UK.
As far as I am aware there weren't significant large-scale objections to any of the public order measures - identity papers and blackout rules, mostly - introducing during the war.
The danger, of course, was a fairly in-your-face kind of a danger.
Posted by Matt McGrattan | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 10:27 AM
I believe Orwell wrote a number of essays where he describes those measures as approaching fascism. He comes down on the side of agreeing that they're necessary, but sees them as a significant curtailment of rights. I couldn't tell you what percentage of the UK public agreed with him, of course.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 10:31 AM
The American Revolution? My sense is that both the British and the revolutionaries tried to avoid inflicting excessive harm on the population.
This sense is, of course, contrasted withThe French Revolution and I'm sure it's an oversimplification
Posted by NickS | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 11:13 AM
As a first step in protecting our freedoms, middle eastern-looking men must be prevented from having any contact with America's Swedish swimming teachers...
Posted by Brad DeLong | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 11:34 AM
Too late!
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 11:37 AM
Fanciful pseudonymity is the last refuge of scoundrels.
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 11:39 AM
As a first step in protecting our freedoms, middle eastern-looking men must be prevented from having any contact with America's Swedish graduate students...
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 11:42 AM
No need!
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 11:50 AM
Our object lesson: the safest contact is none at all.
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 11:51 AM
The Confederacy was actually seriously weakened by the states-rights and anti-government of some of its key players.
And a good thing too.
Posted by Stalin | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 12:01 PM
"anti-government beliefs"
Posted by Stalin | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 12:02 PM
the Chinese want to eat your children.
I suppose because child-meat increases fertility?
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 12:12 PM
I suppose because child-meat increases fertility?
No. Because they are the most tender.
Posted by Tripp | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 12:15 PM
We're getting info on rights from Stalin?!
Posted by tweedledopey | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 12:21 PM
I can't read the title of this post without thinking: I cried because I had no shoes, until I saw the man who had no feet.
Posted by text | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 1:57 PM
text,
I can't read the title of this post without thinking: I cried because I had no shoes, until I saw the man who had no feet.
Great, now you've got me thinking about the Flintstone's car.
Who played Betty in the Flintstone Viva Rock Vegas? She was cute.
Posted by Tripp | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 2:26 PM
I'm guessing: not Rosie O'Donnell.
Posted by text | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 2:28 PM
I will tell you what your rights are. I know rights the way a cat knows mice.
Posted by Stalin | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 2:31 PM
text,
Nope. I looked for myself. It was Jane Krakowski. She seems to be one of the few people who are cuter with dark hair compared to blonde.
Posted by Tripp | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 2:38 PM
oh, Tripp, I must disagree -- I am a fan of the raven haired ladies.
Posted by text | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 2:40 PM
one of the few people who are cuter with dark hair compared to blonde
???
That's so wrong. You are *such* a Minnesotan.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 2:40 PM
Well, yes I am a Minnesotan, but like all Americans I generalize my observations.
I know someone who went from blonde to brunette to get less attention. And both the married Middle Eastern men I know married blondes.
And "Blondes have more fun."
So I am sure I represent the mainstream.
Posted by Tripp | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 2:51 PM
Actually, World War I might be a good example. For the most part, WWI is the only war not fought predominantly in the cities nor razing the citiies. Nearly every other war in recent history has involved some destruction of private property beyond the normal effects of war. If you want a time when nobody cared about the rights being infringed (as rights weren't enumerated), you can always look to the Norman invasion. What would the norman's do?
Not ironically, people are willing to give up the present value of their rights in hopes that this sacrifice will ensure the continued existance of previously uncurtailed rights. This just goes to show, as I mentioned in my blog today, that people are not in the right to blindly let politicians govern them, but at the same time are not capable of making the decisions on an individual level to benefit the whole of society.
Posted by tweedledopey | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 2:56 PM
veronica had dark hair, while betty was blonde.
veronica was much hotter.
ergo, Tripp has committed some sort of offense.
Posted by text | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 3:27 PM
Much like the drive/putt distinction, it's blondes for show, brunettes for dough (where "dough"=LTR).
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 08- 1-05 4:46 PM
I can state one thing strongly - redheads are more difficult, but worth it.
Posted by Tripp | Link to this comment | 08- 2-05 6:31 AM
redheads are more difficult, but worth it.
I'm not difficult. But I'm totally worth it.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 2-05 7:11 AM
apostropher,
That goes without saying, baybee.
But have you noticed your skin prematurely wrinkling? I think the thinner skin of the redhead is more prone to early wrinkles.
Posted by Tripp | Link to this comment | 08- 2-05 11:28 AM