I never would have guessed that animal rights is as central to the Unfogged community as it apparently is.
My own opinion is that animals should be slaughtered humanely, except for annoying, smelly, viciously predatory animals like mink. The idea that mink deserve humane treatment offends me. They're a bunch of jerks -- they're weasels, in fact.
Fur coats are OK with me, as long as the supermodel wearing the coat had an organic spiritual relationship with the constitutive mink, and tanned their little hides herself after killing them and skinning them with her own hands.
There's probably a book in this, based on the shaman songs of Athabaskan mink trappers.
I had a comment agreeing with Labs about the peeve--"Doing this thing would be better than doing this thing, so let's do neither," Daniel Davies, but it was boring. See if you can find one here.
Armsmasher: Are you defining "young" as below the age of consent? Because otherwise I really don't see what's wrong with it.
Also I was really disturbed by the consensus that it was better to screw a chicken than screw the poor. I'd rather screw the poor, though not all at once.
"In the 1860s the age of consent was twelve years old. Some people such as Josephine Butler and Barbara Bodichon were concerned that young girls were being sold to brothels. They became involved in the campaign against the white slave trade and in 1875 the House of Commons agreed to raise the age of consent to thirteen."
By 2300 AD the age of consent will have reached 30.
Dude, seriously. On a Pandagon thread the other day Amanda got a bunch of people in high dudgeon about older men/women (consensually) "pawing" the 18 and 19 year olds.
I note that you are all too sensible to defend the odious mink.
My 9-month-old grandnephew is cut as a bug and plump as a Rock Cornish Game Hen, and total strangers stop his mother on the street to tell her how tasty he looks.
We all agree. Eating your grandnephew would be wrong and fattening, but boy, would he be yummy!
44, I know. In most circumstances I endorse the Harvard comma, but I want to say that "9-month-old" doesn't modify "grandnephew" so much as compound it. Chitinous is a good word.
Dude, seriously. On a Pandagon thread the other day Amanda got a bunch of people in high dudgeon about older men/women (consensually) "pawing" the 18 and 19 year olds.
This time around I'm not going to get dragged into that one. As the resident old timer I'll simply allow the youth their prejudices.
Oh, and regarding ogged and his missing the younguns we attract - that's not my fault. Besides, it's good practice with or without him.
47--I don't think it's quite the Harvard comma--there's this whole vexed question of when to put commas between adjectives, which can happen with as few as two adjectives. (Sorry for the gratuitous, ridiculous grammarmongering.) I think you're right about the reason there shouldn't be a comma.
Matt Whiner, it's just something I remember from my (biology?) textbook. It was comparing some molecules (glycogen?) and the molecular make-up of chitin and the outside of a mushroom was the same except for a reversed hydroxide group.
Oh dear. It occurs to me that the above might have been quite ungentlemanly. In all sincerity, let me proffer my apologies for any embarassment I may have caused you, Tia.
The next time I write something embarassing about myself here, please feel free to leave it in a comment over at paranoidandroid.net.
Yeah, well, Chopper, not that I object to butt sex jokes, I think a lot of the public treatment of any kind of sex less mainstream than blowjobs tends to be kind of voyeuristic, and the interior emotional experience of the people involved gets short shrift. So I thought I'd try to blog another way.
In fact, I like to eat turkey bacon while watching the Spurs play.
That's a fine, viral marketing–ish way to slam a team by association. Let me just say that nothing goes better with Redskins football than Vanilla Coke!
The key to ickling, by the way, is the allen wrench. I had given up hope until one day inspiration came to me as I was putting together some furniture.
How about this argument?
1. It's impossible to give principled reasons for shtupping one bad thing while continuing to do some other bad thing.
2. Thus, fuck them all.
I call it "Rears of sheeps".
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-15-05 10:43 PM
Rather than shtupping one bad thing, lately I've had to settle for getting down with my bad self.
Posted by My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 09-15-05 11:02 PM
I never would have guessed that animal rights is as central to the Unfogged community as it apparently is.
My own opinion is that animals should be slaughtered humanely, except for annoying, smelly, viciously predatory animals like mink. The idea that mink deserve humane treatment offends me. They're a bunch of jerks -- they're weasels, in fact.
Posted by John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 6:00 AM
While I agree about humane treatment of food animals, let's be realistic: bacon trumps morality.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 7:05 AM
is there a "philosophy of bacon" school that i am ufamiliar with?
Posted by mike d | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 7:26 AM
FL,
In rhetorical circles I counter said argument with:
"The perfect is the enemy of the good."
In lesser settings I might intone:
"How conveeeeenient."
Posted by Tripp | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 7:39 AM
Thanks for a new thread. The old one was getting overwhelming.
Posted by bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 7:42 AM
Fur coats are OK with me, as long as the supermodel wearing the coat had an organic spiritual relationship with the constitutive mink, and tanned their little hides herself after killing them and skinning them with her own hands.
There's probably a book in this, based on the shaman songs of Athabaskan mink trappers.
Posted by John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 7:53 AM
John,
I never would have guessed that animal rights is as central to the Unfogged community as it apparently is.
Well, you know, we do our best to attract hot younguns. The idealism seems to tag along.
Posted by Tripp | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 7:55 AM
Re: attracting hot younguns -
I meant "for Ogged's sake," of course.
Posted by Tripp | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 7:57 AM
I meant "for Ogged's sake," of course.
But Ogged's not really here to appreciate them just now.
Posted by bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 8:26 AM
Probably there are scavengers around to pick up his leftovers.
Posted by John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 8:36 AM
I stand firm against eating young people, even idealists.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 8:42 AM
Even so, that's a very particular kind of frottage.
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 8:54 AM
to 13,
Hey, I'm aroused by taking principled positions too!
Posted by Tia | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 8:57 AM
Damn, I didn't see 14. I'll go back to the bathroom with Das Kapital now.
Posted by Tia | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 8:59 AM
High school cafeterias, beware!
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 8:59 AM
In Soviet Russia, book takes you.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:00 AM
The bathroom is a fine place to study the means of production.
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:01 AM
Hey, I'm in a comment thread with cannibals. My frottage only harms trees. And the bourgeosie.
Posted by Tia | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:03 AM
I had a comment agreeing with Labs about the peeve--"Doing this thing would be better than doing this thing, so let's do neither," Daniel Davies, but it was boring. See if you can find one here.
Armsmasher: Are you defining "young" as below the age of consent? Because otherwise I really don't see what's wrong with it.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:05 AM
No cannibals: compare "sleeping young people".
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:06 AM
Also I was really disturbed by the consensus that it was better to screw a chicken than screw the poor. I'd rather screw the poor, though not all at once.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:06 AM
Well, I don't have a problem with eating children, before they're self aware.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:09 AM
KARL FUCKING ROVE?!?!?!?!?!
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:09 AM
Is Matt biased against orgies for the poor?
Posted by Camera Obscura | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:10 AM
Also, is anyone else reading the post title as "Fear of Herpes"?
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:10 AM
"In the 1860s the age of consent was twelve years old. Some people such as Josephine Butler and Barbara Bodichon were concerned that young girls were being sold to brothels. They became involved in the campaign against the white slave trade and in 1875 the House of Commons agreed to raise the age of consent to thirteen."
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/REage.htm
A pretty good example of gradualism there.
The age of consent has been rising at the rate of about three or four years per century. By 2300 AD the age of consent will have reached 30.
Posted by John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:12 AM
Hold on there. What about Karl Rove?
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:14 AM
Historical background on the Biblical age of consent. You can't afford to miss this page.
Posted by John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:16 AM
Hmm, John, that means the state of Kansas is less enlightened than the House of Commons was 125 years ago. But we knew that.
And what is the fun quote from The Mikado on that subject?
Posted by Camera Obscura | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:17 AM
By 2300 AD the age of consent will have reached 30.
Dude, seriously. On a Pandagon thread the other day Amanda got a bunch of people in high dudgeon about older men/women (consensually) "pawing" the 18 and 19 year olds.
Posted by Tia | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:18 AM
Hmmm, if I were fucking Karl Rove, I'd be fearing herpes. Or even if I were talking to him on the phone (and I know better than that).
Posted by Camera Obscura | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:20 AM
Mikado... ah, yes, something along the lines of:
"In Japan, women do not reach years of discretion until they are 80."
"True. From 18 to 80 are considered the years of indiscretion."
Posted by Camera Obscura | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:26 AM
And SB, I'm sorry I called you a cannibal. JE, however is guilty, guilty, guilty.
Posted by Tia | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:26 AM
25 to this, BTW, and I had thought it was more overt than it seems to be. Karl Rove, of course. Carry on.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:26 AM
I note that you are all too sensible to defend the odious mink.
My 9-month-old grandnephew is cut as a bug and plump as a Rock Cornish Game Hen, and total strangers stop his mother on the street to tell her how tasty he looks.
We all agree. Eating your grandnephew would be wrong and fattening, but boy, would he be yummy!
Posted by John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:39 AM
Deliciousness and cuteness may be the same thing experienced through different senses. Either that, or cruelty and savoriness are identical.
Posted by tom | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 9:42 AM
Oh my god, it's Karl fucking Rove. Karl fucking Rove. Karl fucking Rove.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 10:00 AM
I used to pay attention to the quality of my comments, but now I accept that some of them will never be perfect.
So now I don't pay attention to that at all.
Posted by eb | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 10:01 AM
Eating young people, people. EATING young people. At the Mineshaft!
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 10:04 AM
"Cute as a bug".
Posted by John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 10:18 AM
Dammit, Emerson, I was having fun imagining your pumped-up, buff, 9-month-old grandnephew.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 10:22 AM
Hmm, I think there shouldn't be a comma after 'buff'. That always confuses me.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 10:22 AM
Dammit, Emerson, I was having fun imagining your pumped-up, buff, 9-month-old grandnephew.
Also chitinous. I was definitely picturing chitin.
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 10:28 AM
What a thorax on that one.
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 10:30 AM
44, I know. In most circumstances I endorse the Harvard comma, but I want to say that "9-month-old" doesn't modify "grandnephew" so much as compound it. Chitinous is a good word.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 10:31 AM
Mushrooms are almost chitin, except for a reversed OH group.
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 10:32 AM
Tia,
Dude, seriously. On a Pandagon thread the other day Amanda got a bunch of people in high dudgeon about older men/women (consensually) "pawing" the 18 and 19 year olds.
This time around I'm not going to get dragged into that one. As the resident old timer I'll simply allow the youth their prejudices.
Oh, and regarding ogged and his missing the younguns we attract - that's not my fault. Besides, it's good practice with or without him.
Posted by Tripp | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 10:36 AM
I first read that as "mushrooms are almost chitlins," and couldn't figure out what the hell you meant.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 10:37 AM
47--I don't think it's quite the Harvard comma--there's this whole vexed question of when to put commas between adjectives, which can happen with as few as two adjectives. (Sorry for the gratuitous, ridiculous grammarmongering.) I think you're right about the reason there shouldn't be a comma.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 10:40 AM
I don't understand 48 anyway, btw.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 10:41 AM
While I agree about humane treatment of food animals, let's be realistic: bacon trumps morality.
Bacon is morality.
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 10:46 AM
Veggie bacon is good.
Matt Whiner, it's just something I remember from my (biology?) textbook. It was comparing some molecules (glycogen?) and the molecular make-up of chitin and the outside of a mushroom was the same except for a reversed hydroxide group.
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 10:50 AM
I think turkey bacon is better than pork bacon.
In fact, I like to eat turkey bacon while watching the Spurs play.
Posted by Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 10:59 AM
Veggie bacon is good.
But it is not bacon.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 11:00 AM
Just so you know, Tripp, they're not my prejudices (if it was Amanda's position you took to be prejudiced). Middle aged = teh sexxy!!!1!
Posted by Tripp | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 11:02 AM
I am clearly having an identity disturbance. Am I the commentor or the commented upon? 57 me
Posted by Tia | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 11:03 AM
Assuming that was Tia, I'd say that's a no-brainer coming from you. (I confess to specifically reading through all of the Sex category. Umm, yowza!)
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 11:05 AM
all of the Sex category on your blog that is.
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 11:06 AM
Oh dear. It occurs to me that the above might have been quite ungentlemanly. In all sincerity, let me proffer my apologies for any embarassment I may have caused you, Tia.
The next time I write something embarassing about myself here, please feel free to leave it in a comment over at paranoidandroid.net.
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 11:15 AM
Yeah, well, Chopper, not that I object to butt sex jokes, I think a lot of the public treatment of any kind of sex less mainstream than blowjobs tends to be kind of voyeuristic, and the interior emotional experience of the people involved gets short shrift. So I thought I'd try to blog another way.
Posted by Tia | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 11:16 AM
Chopper, if I were the least bit shy, I'd have no business whatsoever blogging about it. That's part of why I'm anonymous. Truly, not to worry.
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 11:18 AM
I swear to god that was an accident. I'm out of control with this other identification stuff.
Posted by Tia | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 11:19 AM
55, 56
Actually it was turkey bacon I was thinking of.
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 11:28 AM
I attributed the 9-minute gap after 60 to all the regulars rushing over to Tia's blog to read the good stuff themselves.
Not me, of course. Others, though.
Posted by Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 11:29 AM
In fact, I like to eat turkey bacon while watching the Spurs play.
That's a fine, viral marketing–ish way to slam a team by association. Let me just say that nothing goes better with Redskins football than Vanilla Coke!
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 11:35 AM
I was actually trying to deeply offend apo and SCMT, but they didn't take the bait.
Posted by Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 11:37 AM
Still reeling from the blow, I imagine.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 11:47 AM
I didn't say it was my best work.
Posted by Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 11:49 AM
No! I meant the compliment. If you'd worked blonde BBQ into 55, you might have physically harmed apo.
(But it would've been redundant since NC style is all about the turkey/veggie angle, IIRC.)
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 11:52 AM
NC style is all about the turkey/veggie angle
Your intended meaning here is probably much less funny than the meaning I extrapolated.
Posted by Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 11:55 AM
Tia,
If I may be so bold you might recite the following to remember your identity:
"Tia is mea."
And, for anyone following my own personal little drama - tonight's the night (opening night that is), so good thoughts are greatly appreciated!
Posted by Tripp | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 12:03 PM
Break a leg, Tripp!
Posted by Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 12:04 PM
Wow, good luck with that.
Also, Tia, I would have joined the crowd flocking over to your blog, except that I did it about a month ago.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 12:05 PM
Michael in 54, thanks for the explanation. But--"Matt Whiner"? Haven't we been over this enough?
OK, I'm off to read Tia's blog.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 12:38 PM
I thought for sure Tia's blog was called Not Ickling, in reference to some sort of sex act I'm probably not doing right.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 12:41 PM
I always read it as Not Licking.
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 12:44 PM
Someone should start a blog and call it Am So Licking.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 12:46 PM
Yes, someone should.
The key to ickling, by the way, is the allen wrench. I had given up hope until one day inspiration came to me as I was putting together some furniture.
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 12:47 PM
That turned out more depraved than I was shooting for.
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 12:48 PM
See, that part I figured. But I could never get the saddle on straight.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 12:49 PM
Joe and wd,
Thanks. I've got brilliant material, a great director, and am surrounded by a great cast, so I'm just trying to keep up. It should be fun!
Posted by Tripp | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 12:51 PM
I hear Georgian men are great icklers.
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 12:52 PM
break a leg! (only a hairline fracture)
Posted by text | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 12:53 PM
Break a leg, Tripp!
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 12:54 PM
In bocca al lupo!
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 12:56 PM
Take it to 'em!
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 1:06 PM
Guns up!
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 1:09 PM
A warm hand on your opening!
Posted by Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 1:16 PM
Nice, JD.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 1:19 PM
I didn't make it up. I wish I had.
Posted by Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 1:20 PM
It was actually this guy, in a telegram to Gertrude Lawrence.
Posted by Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 1:21 PM
High school cafeterias, beware!
Please stop cutting up this thread with high school cafeteria–style one-liners.
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 2:20 PM
Well who put ants in your pants, Ben?
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 2:23 PM
Dunno.
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 2:24 PM
who put ants in your pants, Ben?
Quite related to Kriston's comment in the other active thread, I would suspect Ol' Dirty Bastard if he wasn't dead.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 2:34 PM
Man, as soon as kibo is dead, the kibologists are going to be as bad as the 7th Day Adventists.
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 2:40 PM
RE 96
this made me laugh:
YOU BLINKING?
KEEP ON BLINKING! DON'T FORGET TO BLINK!
YOU'RE PROBABLY SORRY YOU STARTED THIS NOW, AREN'T YOU?
WELL, THAT'S TOUGH, BLINKING BOY!
Posted by Joe O | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 5:28 PM
Cent!
Posted by chèvre | Link to this comment | 09-16-05 10:56 PM
Allez-vous en, M. le chèvre!
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-17-05 2:30 AM