you were being mean and nasty to an outstanding woman -- hope you're happy. And I hope GWB is so angry with the rotten behavior of those on the far right that he nominates Larry Tribe out of spite. And I bet he won't play tetherball with you at recess!
Of course, this is where conservatives run up against the fact that conservative positions don't win elections. They put up some all-things-to-all-people twerp like Bush who campaigns on the premise that he can achieve liberal goals with conservative ends because a consistent conservative wouldn't have a hope in hell of winning a nationwide election, and now they're surprised that he isn't a conservative.
RE: LB's #5. Neither principled liberal nor principled conservative positions win elections. That's because principles are unpopular. What is popular is free stuff.
12, if you've read Stephen Johnson's Everything Bad Is Good for You and follow it up with Gladwell's Blinkâ€"that is, if you've taken a couple of trips recentlyâ€"then you know elections are only about looks.
I think Smasher is saying that these are the books that you would have read on air-o-planes or maybe trains when you take your trips, not realizing that out here in Texas where men are Real Men we take our trips on horseback and are too busy wavin' our cowboy hats from the back of the buckin' bronco to read any of them fancy Noo Yorker books.
Matt Weiner read that correctly, and is a tool. But there's something to the case made in these books (and elsewhere on the pop social science shelves) that people continue to make important decisions, like whom they like in a presidential election, based on purely visual cues. Despite the growth in information technology and all the rest.
18 and 19 are both taken as high praise. Didn't actually mean to dispute the books's conclusions, I was just explaining the "trips" comment and went kind of nuts.
OT (from my own nonsequitor), but Benâ€"did you see that Watchmen made Time's 100 best novels list? From 1923 to present. Very progressive! but perhaps wrong.
If it was Ogged, I would have figured. But not Armsmasher. Armsmasher demands something more manly. I'd think of something manly, but I'm going to take a nap instead.
54: Yeah, I was googling fecklessly to try to find it. IIRC everyone was being really coy, though, and just linking to the cities' homepages with tags like "here".
Mightn't it be more useful (in the sense of getting an idea of where people are commenting from) if people didn't use their "real" handle but did provide their real location, along with a handle of "x" or something similar? I think there are enough people who don't want to reveal their location (or lurkers, for that matter) that it would be very hard to deduct what handle corresponds to what location.
Federal income. We just finished an hour long discussion on child care deductions and imputed income, and are now discussing the Hantzis case, discussing whether a law student in Boston in the 70's should have have been able to deduct the cost of moving to New York for a summer job when she really wanted to stay in Boston but wasn't able to. Answer: No!
Everyone knows Superman lives in Metropolis, and it hasn't stopped him. Maybe I should have just stood by my typo that it would be very hard to deduct, not being a quantity and all.
Re: 28, I tried to semi-subtly suggest an NYC unfogged get together before, but then Weiner had to go and textualize my subtext, and I was disheartened. I can't find it now. And there aren't nearly 12+ of us on frappr.
Where's tweedledopey? We could totally have a Boston get together. I need to pester him and other citizens of the Commonwealth (other than baa) to sign the ballot initiative sponsored by Health care for All. He could even download it form the MassAct site and mail it in.
You left out the rest!
When a Democratic president or other high party leader comes under fire, the Democrats have a tendency to circle the wagons.
Republicans, meanwhile, when their leaders come under fire, tend to form a circular firing squad.
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 8:38 AM
I wish I got right-wing emails!
you were being mean and nasty to an outstanding woman -- hope you're happy. And I hope GWB is so angry with the rotten behavior of those on the far right that he nominates Larry Tribe out of spite. And I bet he won't play tetherball with you at recess!
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 8:42 AM
Amazing. I'd like to get a postcard from their world, so I can see what it looks like.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 8:44 AM
I swear to God #2--authentic --wasn't me.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 8:45 AM
Of course, this is where conservatives run up against the fact that conservative positions don't win elections. They put up some all-things-to-all-people twerp like Bush who campaigns on the premise that he can achieve liberal goals with conservative ends because a consistent conservative wouldn't have a hope in hell of winning a nationwide election, and now they're surprised that he isn't a conservative.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 8:51 AM
"with conservative
endsmeans"Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 8:57 AM
Republicans... tend to form a circular firing squad.
What-fucking-ever. That guy is smoking the crack rock. But awesome.
Posted by silvana | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 8:59 AM
Wait, wait. The Democrats lost in 2004 because of a lack of message discpline and the Republicans were the party of ideas, right?
They're arguing that they should have banded together and let Miers go through because otherwise George won't ask them to the prom.
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 9:10 AM
Rove... uh, uh, he's lost weight, damnit!
That's what I call circling the wagons.
Posted by silvana | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 9:12 AM
RE: LB's #5. Neither principled liberal nor principled conservative positions win elections. That's because principles are unpopular. What is popular is free stuff.
Posted by baa | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 9:22 AM
9: And Michael Moore is fat.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 9:33 AM
You mean like Bush's tax cuts + increased spending?
I don't think principled positions often win elections. Lately, I'm thinking it has more to do with personality.
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 9:34 AM
12, if you've read Stephen Johnson's Everything Bad Is Good for You and follow it up with Gladwell's Blinkâ€"that is, if you've taken a couple of trips recentlyâ€"then you know elections are only about looks.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 9:53 AM
acid trips?
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 10:33 AM
I think Smasher is saying that these are the books that you would have read on air-o-planes or maybe trains when you take your trips, not realizing that out here in Texas where men are Real Men we take our trips on horseback and are too busy wavin' our cowboy hats from the back of the buckin' bronco to read any of them fancy Noo Yorker books.
God, that comment was teh ghey.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 10:47 AM
(Note: not actually intending to make fun of Texas this time. Smasher, maybe.)
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 10:47 AM
But Smasher is from Texas, I think. He knows all about places where "men are men" and where they wear cowboy hats and chaps.
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 10:52 AM
Actually 15 seemed vaguely Gibletsian.
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 10:53 AM
Matt Weiner read that correctly, and is a tool. But there's something to the case made in these books (and elsewhere on the pop social science shelves) that people continue to make important decisions, like whom they like in a presidential election, based on purely visual cues. Despite the growth in information technology and all the rest.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 10:55 AM
18 and 19 are both taken as high praise. Didn't actually mean to dispute the books's conclusions, I was just explaining the "trips" comment and went kind of nuts.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 10:59 AM
OT (from my own nonsequitor), but Benâ€"did you see that Watchmen made Time's 100 best novels list? From 1923 to present. Very progressive! but perhaps wrong.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 11:03 AM
Speaking of novels, Doctorow's new one, The March, is excellent in virtually every respect. I just finished it, and I highly, highly recommend it.
Posted by Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 11:09 AM
If ogged were still around, I bet he'd create one of those frappr maps like the other hepcats are doing.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 11:18 AM
No, I didn't, but why are you telling me? I didn't even like Watchmen very much.
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 11:24 AM
Why bother? Here, I'll do it:
New York x 12+
Minnesota X 3
Chicago X n
DC X3
Baton Rouge
Oggedville
Boston
Gentleville
Berkeley
Lubbock
Did I miss anyone?
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 11:24 AM
Yeah, me!
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 11:26 AM
I didn't know whether you liked it or not. I knew that you liked graphic novels. So.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 11:31 AM
Presumably some lurkers. 12 people in NY, you think? We should totally get lunch sometime.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 11:33 AM
DC x4 = Tom, Susan, Becks, myself? Or Tbilisi x1 = Susan.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 11:38 AM
And! And! Wehttam Saiselgy.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 11:39 AM
London x 3 (snees, McGrattan, dsquared; no wait McGrattan's in Oxford)
slolernerville
Bridgeplateville
Calaville
Fontanaville
and a bunch of other undisclosed locations
and of course, country X
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 11:59 AM
Also, Minnesota is x 4: Chops, Emerson, Tripp, L.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 12:00 PM
Man, Minnesota's for oldsters.
Posted by Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 12:01 PM
Yeah, L. is totally decrepit.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 12:02 PM
Durham, N.C., too, and maybe Chapel Hill if Sam K is still around. OK, this is getting dull....
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 12:04 PM
I meant, on average.
Damn.
Posted by Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 12:05 PM
Did I miss anyone?
NC (Apostropher)
Posted by My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 12:07 PM
Joe, I'm only 32. Is that old?
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 12:08 PM
I'm missing. I'm in Southern California, but hopefully only temporarily.
Posted by eb | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 12:11 PM
Fine.
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 12:15 PM
According to frappr, I live in the East River. I bet my rent would be less if that were the case.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 12:23 PM
Yeah, well if I get back to DC, I'll have to meet y'all. Is anybody besides baa in the greater Boston area?
Posted by bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 12:45 PM
In case 40 wasn't clear, I done made us a frappr page. Go.
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 12:54 PM
I like the Black Flag t-shirt, a guy I knew in college wore the same one pretty regularly.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 12:57 PM
Frappr has me in the Bronx. Or, actually, in that little area that's physically Bronx but politically Manhattan. Close, but wrong.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 12:57 PM
Frappr's too precise for me.
Posted by eb | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:01 PM
Suggestions:
Somewhere in the general area
Humorous undisclosed location (Walla Walla, Washington and Kalamazoo)
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:02 PM
Should we pick an arbitrary spot to serve as a proxy for the various top secret locations?
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:04 PM
Armsmasher is surrouned by yellow floral wallpaper?
I am disillusioned.
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:04 PM
That's Dallas! My girlfriend's parents' house.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:07 PM
Sure. This is like that time last week when I found out Santa isn't real.
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:09 PM
I didn't know that there were wallpaper expectations associated with commenting here.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:11 PM
If it was Ogged, I would have figured. But not Armsmasher. Armsmasher demands something more manly. I'd think of something manly, but I'm going to take a nap instead.
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:13 PM
48: Some time ago, wasn't there a thread proposing various humorous cities as homes of the Mineshaft? Blue Balls, PA was the one I remember.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:15 PM
54: Yeah, I was googling fecklessly to try to find it. IIRC everyone was being really coy, though, and just linking to the cities' homepages with tags like "here".
Posted by slolernr | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:19 PM
Okay, who added ogged?
Posted by slolernr | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:22 PM
Ogged, probably.
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:23 PM
If we can't find the thread this page would do in a pinch. I like Meat Camp, NC, and Coxsackie, NY.
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:23 PM
Aha! Googled "this town" and it came up--here and ff. Coxsackie did come up.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:24 PM
Michael has a nice, womanly ass.
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:25 PM
ogged would have added his name as "ogged".
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:27 PM
Mightn't it be more useful (in the sense of getting an idea of where people are commenting from) if people didn't use their "real" handle but did provide their real location, along with a handle of "x" or something similar? I think there are enough people who don't want to reveal their location (or lurkers, for that matter) that it would be very hard to deduct what handle corresponds to what location.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:31 PM
Yeah, what washerdreyer said.
Posted by slolernr | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:37 PM
"deduct" s/b "deduce"
I blame the fact that I'm sitting in my tax law class right now.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:39 PM
tax law is awesome, washerdreyer. What kind are you doing? Federal income, corporate, partnership, estate and gift, or state and local?
Posted by bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:42 PM
[redacted]
Posted by [redacted] | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:42 PM
Cunningham? If so, I thought he was the caterpillar's boots. (biscuit conditional, obviously.)
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:43 PM
Federal income. We just finished an hour long discussion on child care deductions and imputed income, and are now discussing the Hantzis case, discussing whether a law student in Boston in the 70's should have have been able to deduct the cost of moving to New York for a summer job when she really wanted to stay in Boston but wasn't able to. Answer: No!
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:46 PM
It is a surprisingly fun class. All sorts of juicy policy and deep stuff about what does 'income' really mean.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:50 PM
32 is old, in the sense that it is older than I am.
Posted by Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:52 PM
Lily Batchelder.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 1:55 PM
Don't know her (obviously, since she graduated from law school after I did.)
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 2:00 PM
what's up with that ass, Michael?
Well, obviously I was posing it for the person taking the picture. Do you mean something other than that?
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 10-27-05 3:54 PM
and of course, country X
Country X is actually known to be Singapore—it's right there on the "About Alameida" page.
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 10-28-05 1:14 AM
32 is old, in the sense that it is older than I am.
Damn you Joe Drymala!
Posted by Tripp | Link to this comment | 10-28-05 9:42 AM
62: It would be deducible enough. And how could I fight crime if my secret hideout were known?
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 10-28-05 10:06 AM
Everyone knows Superman lives in Metropolis, and it hasn't stopped him. Maybe I should have just stood by my typo that it would be very hard to deduct, not being a quantity and all.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 10-28-05 10:11 AM
Re: 28, I tried to semi-subtly suggest an NYC unfogged get together before, but then Weiner had to go and textualize my subtext, and I was disheartened. I can't find it now. And there aren't nearly 12+ of us on frappr.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 10-28-05 10:21 AM
Where's tweedledopey? We could totally have a Boston get together. I need to pester him and other citizens of the Commonwealth (other than baa) to sign the ballot initiative sponsored by Health care for All. He could even download it form the MassAct site and mail it in.
Posted by bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-28-05 10:27 AM