God: "Hey! You know how *long* it took for me to design that pig? A fucking long time! And you know I did it? So you could EAT it! So you could be HAPPY! That's why it TASTES SO GOOD! And now you've got a problem with that? You're just throwing it back in my face?! This is the thinks I get? To hell with you, pal!"
I am not The Instigator. The Instigator is a co-worker of mine with legendary abilities to engage even the most mild-mannered of people in heated arguments that leave them sputtering and speechless. See also.
I believe the tofu and green beans were mixed and the pineapple was served separately. I try not to pay too much attention to Vegetarian Yoga Guy's lunches, though, because he is one of those people who is so over-the-top nice that if you say "that looks good", he'll try to give it to you.
I'm surprised at all the condemnation: I'm a fairly meat-and-potatoes eater, but that could be good. If the tofu were fried crispy, and the green beans were also nice and crisp, with pineapple for dessert -- I'm not saying that I'd pack it as a lunch, but I could see it being tasty.
Well I don't know, a very good (if not particularly authentic to any cuisine) stir-fried dish could potentially be made which included tofu and green beans as ingredients; and a fresh pineapple with (or even without) crème fraiche would make a nice dessert.
But Becks said the pineapple wasn't combined with anything! Come on, eb, admit it. There's a lot of anti-soy feeling in the culture, and you're a product of that culture. Let's not dance around the real issue with this faux concern about fruit.
While my friends drank fruit juices at lunch in school, I drank soy milk, sweetened and boxes. I assure you that my soy enjoying credentials are impeccable. The combination of pineapple with pineapple is something I've been known not to eat.
I only recently became a fan of pineapple. I had a chest cold that wouldn't go away and Vegetarian Yoga Guy (along with filling me full of holistic herbal teas) kept bringing me pineapple to eat and pineapple juice to drink because it supposedly breaks up chest congestion. (A questionable logical argument was made that it worked for the same reason that Jell-O won't set if you put pineapple in it.) I don't know if it helped with my cold but I realized, hey, I like pineapples.
Oh, and the pineapple juice Vegetarian Yoga Guy brought me was awesome because it said 100% COK on the label in big, bold letters. (He's Russian and I'm guessing "COK" means "juice" in Russian.) I showed Mark the bottle and many jokes were made about how if I was just getting more cok, I'd feel better.
Mark is my gay best friend, who I have talked about many times before. The Instigator is nobody I've mentioned, except in the comment I linked to in 10.
If I said, "Tim! That's a terrible thing to say about Becks's mother!" I'd just be feeding into outdated patriarchical constructs of feminine modesty, I suppose.
Come to think of it, Tim has no discernable backstory that I can recall -- I can't come up with a memory of a comment mentioning family, friends, a location, an education, a profession... Maybe I'm just not remembering it. On the other hand, maybe Tim's a disembodied head floating in a jar and typing with his nose.
64 -- Yeah the foods I listed are, in addition to being divine, pettish. If you put them in a dish together they would exrt all their energy prancing and posing, trying to distract attention away from the others and sulking when they felt they were not getting enough of the spotlight. They can be mixed in certain combinations but care must be exercised -- Stilton and honey are very nice together but you need a large hunk of coarse brown bread to anchor them. I would not put mango in a fruit salad with anything else, but pineapple is very good with melon -- melon is a subdued fruit, it will not get into any diva-y conflicts with the pineapple. Crème fraiche is of course good with mango or pineapple.
71: I vowed (silently) to stop using that phrase (not the "I guess" part) after I saw Richard Posner use it on Monday. He was actually quite funny; this reminded me of the important lesson that very smart and funny people can be wrong about a great many important issues.
I quite liked Gay-Drunken-Threesome-Roommate guy, too. But I suppose he is scratching the same itch as your mother.
Being utterly Becks-illiterate, I am made very happy by the things my imagination can do with this comment in the total absence of any actual knowledge.
Like I said above, the texture is what I don't like. The flesh is spiky! You bite into it and it doesn't give. I prefer food I can chew (prior comments notwithstanding).
I don't know if it's real Thai or fauxthentic Thai or what, but there's a qualifier-Thai dish I really like that features tofu and pineapple prominently. Also red peppers and other goodies. No green beans, but I can't think of a principled objection to those, either.
I'm sure there are things I like that include pineapple, but I don't think I've ever known what they were called. Who knows, maybe I've eaten that [modifier] Thai dish.
I'm not advocating putting pineapple on pizza. It seems unfair to judge it in that context. I mean only that the fruit in its natural state is perfectly pleasant.
I had also been thinking of pineapple-and-tofu Thai dishes. But there's nothing really wrong with pineapple on pizza, if you're going frou-frou on your pizza.
The proper formulation is, "Canadian bacon with pineapple tidbits". (And I must say, pizza is not a particularly good venue for pineapple, or any combination of pineapple with meat. As far as I've experienced anyway.) LB -- did your aversion to pineapple as "too acidic" extend only to canned pineapple? Because I could see thinking this about canned pineapple or about underripe fresh pineapple.
Apropos of this thread, an older one, and my having not eaten dinner yet, I went to Pommes Frites and tried the vietnamese pineapple mayo as my sauce. It is delicious.
Acid levels in pineapple have been reduced dramatically by new cultivars which became common in US markets around 2000. The effects of this switch upon the taste of the bodily fluids of the nation's fruit-eaters remains up for debate.
I like pineapple,but I'
ve always found it dangerous as a breakfast food. If you drink coffee after eating pineapple, you rmouth sort fo stings and there's a bad taste in it.
Pineapple is delicious on pizza. When I was growing up, my mother would put sweet pickle cubes on pizza, which sounds awful but is surprisingly good. Another excellent variation is to use red pepper jelly instead of tomato sauce, especially if you're putting shrimp on the pizza. Mmm.
There is small place in Warsaw run by a self-help commune of addicts/ex-addicts that serves massive portions of the most incredibly delicious and original vegetarian meals. Very many done with Tofu as an ingredient. The place heaves with suits lunchtimes, and with cooler types evenings. Last autumn, it kept me more or less alive there.
Venturing further afield: Last night we were reading Little House in the Big Woods, and we got to the part where Caroline and the girls make cheese. Now Sylvia has got a bee in her bonnet about making cheese and it sounds like fun to me too -- but I have not made any cheese since about 1990 or so (vegetarian, i.e. rennet-free, farmer cheese, which ended up tasting about like panir). Have any of you done it more recently? Any tips?
118: Easy! Get a hunk of cheddar, a gallon of milk, and a little bit of something granular--sugar, flour, glitter, whatever. Pour the milk into a container, sprinkle the granular material over it and explain that it has to set for 24 hours to turn into cheese. Put it in the fridge. When the kid's back is turned, put the cheddar into a container *exactly like* the container the milk is in and pour the milk down the drain. Viola!
No no no. Do not make cheese. People have struggled for hundreds of years developing incredible cheeses. One doesn’t sully the spirit of their good work just to remove a bee from one’s bonnet. Stop the madness, and support these master craftsmen!
118: Easy! Get a hunk of cheddar, a gallon of milk, and a little bit of something granular--sugar, flour, glitter, whatever. Pour the milk into a container, sprinkle the granular material over it and explain that it has to set for 24 hours to turn into cheese. Put it in the fridge. When the kid's back is turned, put the cheddar into a container *exactly like* the container the milk is in and pour the milk down the drain. Voila! Cheese!
Give the guest of honor at a birthday party a bottle of a fruity red wine and a pineapple, and instruct him or her to drink the former out of the latter. Someone came up with this idea for a birthday party I hosted, and I thought it was very fun.
With Apo saying in 114 that one can make pizza with "red pepper jelly," I am compelled to ask, just as the heat compels the flakes to rise, what are the essential qualities of pizza? It's certainly not the shape, nor is is the presence of tomato sauce, nor, I'd be willing to contend, the presence of mozzarella or any other cheese. So what then?
Most fruit wine is repulsive. We recently opened a very anticipated bottle of cranberry wine, and pretty simultaneously spat out our first sips. Robitussin.
BBQ sauce on a pizza is lame in that special American way, but it's more normal than mashed potato. Before we rush to judgment, though, we should find out what else was on this mashed potato pizza. I can imagine that if it had, say, cheddar cheese, bacon, and chives, and was advertised as a kind of deconstructed baked potato, it would at least have a certain artistic integrity.
139: I read the first 200 pages or so enthusiastically, and the rest of it with less (and constantly diminishing) enthusiasm. But the pizza thing came fairly early on, when they were in the South Seas. And I'm fine with pineapple, I called it "the food of the Gods" above, dint I? I just don't view pizza or stir-fry as an appropriate venue for its greatness.
And this reminds me: the very first Internet community I was ever really involved in (i.e. not counting sporadic postings on various USENET forums) was the Pynchon-l, and the way I found out about them was to stand in line outside of St. Mark's Bookshop on the morning Mason & Dixon was published, waiting for the doors to open so I could buy my copy. Actually it was a very short line, just me and this woman, but it was she who told my about the Pynchon-l.
We recently opened a very anticipated bottle of cranberry wine, and pretty simultaneously spat out our first sips. Robitussin.
That's interesting, because cranberries themselves are very tart. My guess: tarted up (so to speak) for the hypothetical consumer who couldn't handle the real truth!
Pynchon's Mason & Dixon contains an excellent discourse on the essential nature of pizza.
If it doesn't feature a sentient lightbulb, I'm underwhelmed.
If it doesn't feature a sentient lightbulb, I'm underwhelmed.
See it's people like you who stand in the way of progress. You'd go to a John Fahey concert and be disappointed when he didn't play "Sunflower River Blues".
Yeah, my high school self can confirm that you have to slug that shit back fast if you want to drink enough to get a DXM buzz. Luckily, the gelcap formulation eliminates that problem (though you might find them a bit flavorless, Becks).
BTW -- some neighbors gave us a bottle of blueberry wine as a moving-in present, and it has been exiled to a dark back of an out-of-the-way cabinet, where it is never going to be drunk, at least not until Sylvia grows up enough to be interested in alcohol and going through cabinets looking for it.
My advice: if you want Sylvia to swear off alcohol for a good long while, let the blueberry wine be her first taste of it.
Random funny thought: some friends and I once found, in a drug store, a bottle of knock-off cough syrup called, simply, "Tussin." We spun a whole story about how Tussin might end up getting shot in the line of duty, made into a cyborg, and return as RoboTussin.
During the pineapple-fest yesterday, I wanted to post a photo of my pineapple-boat Viking-funeral, but now that I've recuperated my digital camera, I've discovered that I just can't get good enough resolution from the photo-of-a-photo.
Just imagine it, then: ten paper-doll cutouts of Vikings with helmets and spears and three square-rigged sails, all propped up with wooden skewers, in a half-pineapple boat floating down the Seine, gloriously aflame.
my first underage drunkenness experience was apricot brandy. I don't think I drank again for a couple of years. gaah!
Could someone please give the source for the sentient light-bulb? I thought I'd read all of Pynchon (well, except Mason & Dixon and the last three quarters of that Gravity's Rainbow book) and I don't remember any sentient light-bulbs anywhere.
162: See 145, and take for granted that you have read every Pynchon novel other than the one's you mentioned, and that 145 is referring to a Pynchon novel.
Long about the middle of Gravity's Rainbow (page references here, if you scroll down) we meet a lightbulb named Byron who is, yes, sentient. (Also Byron had a compadre named Bernie, but Bernie is only mentioned very briefly. A Norwegian filmmaker also made a film about Byron. Mcmc, you'd be well advised to reapply yourself to the reading of that fine novel.
I hate problems. Let's see, mason and dixon has pizza but no lightbulbs, v, christian rats; lot 49, silent tristero's empire; vineland has ninjas...okay, but if I read Gravity's Rainbow and find no sentient light-bulbs, I am going to be very very upset with you, washerdreyer.
Cala -- that sounds kind of similar to the ziti pizza that we have here in New Jersey. I'm not a huge fan though I can understand the appeal of so much starch.
Mcmc -- still, you ought to read the book. One of the greatest things ever written and all, y'know. Immortal sentient lightbulbs are only a tiny fraction of the mystery that awaits you.
Oh, I will read it. actually, a colleague of mine had promised to bring in her copy for me, but she keeps forgetting. I'll just have to get my own, and just as well, as with a book this enormous the odds against my not spilling coffee on the pages at some point are almost incalculable.
Cala, so garlic mashed potatoes go in the pizza oven and get all brown and crusty? Mmm.
I was once reliably informed that the thing about pineapple and various fluids is true. But this was back in the 1980s, before the Dole company started inserting antacid genes in pineapple embryos.
Mason & Dixon, which I actually pulled off the shelf with the intent of re-reading earlier this week, I shall always cherish for having a joke about the War of Jenkin's Ear. I ask but little, you know.
Slolearner -- If you care to look them up there are pretty extensive reading notes to Mason & Dixon archived at WASTE -- search for MDMD (Mass Discussion of Mason & Dixon, it stands for) and you will get more information than you could possibly process, some fraction of it quite useful.
Becks is teh instigator!
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 1:49 PM
If Commies had not meant us to eat meat, why is so much of it red?
Posted by eb | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 1:51 PM
Instigator's second question betrays a lack of logical thinking that a good introductory philosophy course would remedy.
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 1:58 PM
By "second question" I meant the one about god, vegetables, and animals, not about pineapple and tofu (blecch).
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 1:59 PM
Wouldn't a good introductory philosophy course deal with the question about pineapple and tofu too?
Posted by I don't pay | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 2:03 PM
3 -- didn't Socrates ask Adeimantus a similar question in the second book of the Republic?
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 2:03 PM
Is vegetarianism blasphemous? Could be.
God: "Hey! You know how *long* it took for me to design that pig? A fucking long time! And you know I did it? So you could EAT it! So you could be HAPPY! That's why it TASTES SO GOOD! And now you've got a problem with that? You're just throwing it back in my face?! This is the thinks I get? To hell with you, pal!"
Posted by Michael | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 2:06 PM
I don't pay: possibly if the focusing question of the course were the problem of evil.
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 2:06 PM
I'm with Ben in 4. Pineapple, tofu, and green beans? There had better be some kind of seriously mitigating sauce involved.
Posted by mrh | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 2:07 PM
I am not The Instigator. The Instigator is a co-worker of mine with legendary abilities to engage even the most mild-mannered of people in heated arguments that leave them sputtering and speechless. See also.
Posted by Becks | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 2:11 PM
I believe the tofu and green beans were mixed and the pineapple was served separately. I try not to pay too much attention to Vegetarian Yoga Guy's lunches, though, because he is one of those people who is so over-the-top nice that if you say "that looks good", he'll try to give it to you.
Posted by Becks | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 2:15 PM
(Um, give you the lunch, I mean.)
Posted by Becks | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 2:15 PM
If the lunch consists of tofu, green beans, and pineapple, however arranged, is there really a danger of saying "that looks good"?
Posted by eb | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 2:35 PM
I'm surprised at all the condemnation: I'm a fairly meat-and-potatoes eater, but that could be good. If the tofu were fried crispy, and the green beans were also nice and crisp, with pineapple for dessert -- I'm not saying that I'd pack it as a lunch, but I could see it being tasty.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 2:39 PM
Totally off topic, but sometimes MY makes me really happy.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 2:41 PM
Well I don't know, a very good (if not particularly authentic to any cuisine) stir-fried dish could potentially be made which included tofu and green beans as ingredients; and a fresh pineapple with (or even without) crème fraiche would make a nice dessert.
Posted by Jeremy Osner | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 2:41 PM
I mean to say, "What LB said".
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 2:42 PM
15 -- Hey, when did Tapped get comments?
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 2:44 PM
A couple of months ago, or maybe less, like six weeks? But not all that long in any case.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 2:48 PM
Didn't realize there was so much anti-tofu feeling around here. I'm not sure I'll feel comfortable in this climate of hostility, going forward.
Posted by ac | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:17 PM
How you'll feel? Think about me! 47% of my calories come from soy!
Posted by Tia | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:19 PM
re: 14
This sounds delicious. Put some crushed red peppers on the tofu, cook in some onions--yummy.
Posted by Idealist | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:19 PM
Why assume it's anti-soy?
Posted by eb | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:20 PM
How can I read 13 as anything else?
Posted by ac | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:24 PM
I wasn't aware that there were soy versions of green beans and pineapple.
Posted by eb | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:26 PM
Actually, that should read just pineapple, combinations including which I quite frequently do not like.
Posted by eb | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:28 PM
This thread reminds me of a (potentially not-at-all-)risible blurb from a college rag I used to read:
"An Introductory Conversation Among Spanish-Speaking Food Items in the Dining Hall"
Food Item #1: Hola, soy milk.
Food Item #2: Hola, soy sauce.
Food Item #3: Hola, soy beans.
Posted by Stanley | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:29 PM
But Becks said the pineapple wasn't combined with anything! Come on, eb, admit it. There's a lot of anti-soy feeling in the culture, and you're a product of that culture. Let's not dance around the real issue with this faux concern about fruit.
Posted by ac | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:29 PM
The Instigator sounds highly entertaining.
Posted by gswift | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:33 PM
While my friends drank fruit juices at lunch in school, I drank soy milk, sweetened and boxes. I assure you that my soy enjoying credentials are impeccable. The combination of pineapple with pineapple is something I've been known not to eat.
Posted by eb | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:34 PM
two choices: "and boxed" or "in boxes"
Posted by eb | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:34 PM
Mmmm, environmental estrogens.
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:37 PM
27: Someone should name their kid Lent Green.
Posted by eb | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:37 PM
I only recently became a fan of pineapple. I had a chest cold that wouldn't go away and Vegetarian Yoga Guy (along with filling me full of holistic herbal teas) kept bringing me pineapple to eat and pineapple juice to drink because it supposedly breaks up chest congestion. (A questionable logical argument was made that it worked for the same reason that Jell-O won't set if you put pineapple in it.) I don't know if it helped with my cold but I realized, hey, I like pineapples.
Posted by Becks | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:38 PM
Isn't pineapple supposed to make one's urine (and other fluids) smell (and taste!) of pineapple?
Posted by Stanley | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:39 PM
Oh, and the pineapple juice Vegetarian Yoga Guy brought me was awesome because it said 100% COK on the label in big, bold letters. (He's Russian and I'm guessing "COK" means "juice" in Russian.) I showed Mark the bottle and many jokes were made about how if I was just getting more cok, I'd feel better.
Posted by Becks | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:45 PM
Mark is The Instigator?
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:50 PM
Mark is my gay best friend, who I have talked about many times before. The Instigator is nobody I've mentioned, except in the comment I linked to in 10.
Posted by Becks | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:53 PM
I was not aware that irrational dislike of pineapple was so widespread a problem.
Posted by ac | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:54 PM
who I have talked about many times before
I admit that I have not done all of the Becks-related reading that was assigned.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 3:57 PM
I know, Tim. The only character in my repertoire that you pay attention to is my mother.
Posted by Becks | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 4:01 PM
I quite liked Gay-Drunken-Threesome-Roommate guy, too. But I suppose he is scratching the same itch as your mother.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 4:04 PM
If I said, "Tim! That's a terrible thing to say about Becks's mother!" I'd just be feeding into outdated patriarchical constructs of feminine modesty, I suppose.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 4:06 PM
36: COK does mean "juice" in Russian. I believe it's pronounced like "suck", probably just for the greater naughty joke potential.
Posted by Todd | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 4:18 PM
I didn't mean it that way! I really didn't. I just find them both...sassy?
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 4:19 PM
Am trying to come up with someone in Tim's repertoire...
Posted by ac | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 4:22 PM
Come to think of it, Tim has no discernable backstory that I can recall -- I can't come up with a memory of a comment mentioning family, friends, a location, an education, a profession... Maybe I'm just not remembering it. On the other hand, maybe Tim's a disembodied head floating in a jar and typing with his nose.
How about it?
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 4:27 PM
That's largely true, but here he mentions another person. Unless it's dissociative identity disorder.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 4:31 PM
Wasn't there some other woman who objected to a remark about dessert? Or maybe that's the same woman.
Posted by ac | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 4:34 PM
Posted by eb | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 4:35 PM
49: I don't think they would up dating.
OK, I'll stop now.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 4:38 PM
l s/b n
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 4:39 PM
Heh, I remember that story now. So he has a sister, at least.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 4:41 PM
Also, politically speaking.
Posted by eb | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 4:50 PM
Did he flee?
Posted by ac | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 4:54 PM
47: Tim likes his anonymity. Also, I don't believe I've ever said or implied anything about having a head.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 4:56 PM
Or, for that matter, a jar.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 4:56 PM
If you're a head in a jar, do you have a jar?
Posted by eb | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 5:02 PM
I believe, under those circumstances, I would refer to my vitreous integument as my jar. So yes, I believe you do.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 5:06 PM
Lore would suggest the jar is the property of the mad scientist conducting experiments on your head or brain, e.g., Dr. Necessiter.
Posted by ac | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 5:08 PM
18: January 17, 2006 at 9:05 AM.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 5:31 PM
If you're a head in a jar, do you have a jar?
I think the jar has you.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 6:05 PM
irrational dislike of pineapple
I know! What's wrong with these people?!! Pineapple is up there vying with mango, honey, and Stilton for "the food of the Gods" status.
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 6:29 PM
Now there's the ingredients for a really scary salad.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 6:34 PM
I don't like pineapple because of the texture. This is the main reason I dislike foods generally.
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 6:46 PM
I dislike foods generally.
That must be very difficult for you. Nasogastric tube, or IV feeding?
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 6:49 PM
Suppositories.
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 6:54 PM
What you take to discharge your hypotheses.
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:00 PM
64 -- Yeah the foods I listed are, in addition to being divine, pettish. If you put them in a dish together they would exrt all their energy prancing and posing, trying to distract attention away from the others and sulking when they felt they were not getting enough of the spotlight. They can be mixed in certain combinations but care must be exercised -- Stilton and honey are very nice together but you need a large hunk of coarse brown bread to anchor them. I would not put mango in a fruit salad with anything else, but pineapple is very good with melon -- melon is a subdued fruit, it will not get into any diva-y conflicts with the pineapple. Crème fraiche is of course good with mango or pineapple.
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:02 PM
I can think of nothing so tasty as ice.
Posted by eb | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:12 PM
De gustibus non es disputandem I guess.
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:18 PM
69: I think you should read this, TMK.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:21 PM
69: I think you should read this, TMK.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:22 PM
71: I vowed (silently) to stop using that phrase (not the "I guess" part) after I saw Richard Posner use it on Monday. He was actually quite funny; this reminded me of the important lesson that very smart and funny people can be wrong about a great many important issues.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:22 PM
Maybe you should read it twice.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:23 PM
Could we please stop with the references to delicious leavened foods for the next 22 hours or so? Thanks.
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:24 PM
Mmm. Doughnuts.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:27 PM
I hate you.
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:30 PM
Yeah, a warm raised glazed, sweet and yeasty, would really hit the spot right now, wouldn't it?
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:31 PM
I hate you too.
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:33 PM
Relax, have a beer.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:35 PM
I don't know, I have trouble finding fresh doughnuts at night. You really need to get them very soon after being baked.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:36 PM
Yeah, but then I don't have the energy to leave the house.
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:37 PM
Pineapples are kosher for pesach! Mangos too. Go wild.
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:38 PM
I quite liked Gay-Drunken-Threesome-Roommate guy, too. But I suppose he is scratching the same itch as your mother.
Being utterly Becks-illiterate, I am made very happy by the things my imagination can do with this comment in the total absence of any actual knowledge.
Posted by Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:38 PM
You really need to get them very soon after being baked.
Dangling participle alert!
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:42 PM
Don't worry, MK, I've got plenty of fruit and nuts on hand. I see no need to resort to pineapple.
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:42 PM
86, meet 83.
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:44 PM
86: One interpretation is certainly true, and while in the other "need" might not be the case, it's surely not a bad idea. Apo, you want to weigh in?
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:47 PM
Seriously, what is up with this aversion to pineapples? I've never heard of such of thing.
Posted by ac | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:52 PM
I didn't like them as a fussy child -- too acid. Now I love them, but I could see retaining the 'too acid' judgment into adulthood.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:55 PM
I'd rather have goat anus.
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 7:56 PM
Like I said above, the texture is what I don't like. The flesh is spiky! You bite into it and it doesn't give. I prefer food I can chew (prior comments notwithstanding).
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 8:01 PM
I don't know if it's real Thai or fauxthentic Thai or what, but there's a qualifier-Thai dish I really like that features tofu and pineapple prominently. Also red peppers and other goodies. No green beans, but I can't think of a principled objection to those, either.
Posted by Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 8:01 PM
Pineapple is the bomb.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 8:09 PM
I'm sure there are things I like that include pineapple, but I don't think I've ever known what they were called. Who knows, maybe I've eaten that [modifier] Thai dish.
Posted by eb | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 8:10 PM
94 is much appreciated.
I'm not advocating putting pineapple on pizza. It seems unfair to judge it in that context. I mean only that the fruit in its natural state is perfectly pleasant.
Posted by ac | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 8:11 PM
95: bomb s/b grenade.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 8:11 PM
I had also been thinking of pineapple-and-tofu Thai dishes. But there's nothing really wrong with pineapple on pizza, if you're going frou-frou on your pizza.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 8:14 PM
I, personally, don't like pineapple on my pizza. But I don't hold it against the poor pineapple.
Posted by ac | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 8:15 PM
Again with the leavened bread. I hate you all.
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 8:16 PM
You know, with ham, it really isn't bad. But I've only had ham/pineapple pizza in Samoa.
Have I ever told the story of introducing the concept of pizza delivery in Apia?
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 8:16 PM
ham/pineapple pizza
The proper formulation is, "Canadian bacon with pineapple tidbits". (And I must say, pizza is not a particularly good venue for pineapple, or any combination of pineapple with meat. As far as I've experienced anyway.) LB -- did your aversion to pineapple as "too acidic" extend only to canned pineapple? Because I could see thinking this about canned pineapple or about underripe fresh pineapple.
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 9:00 PM
Apropos of this thread, an older one, and my having not eaten dinner yet, I went to Pommes Frites and tried the vietnamese pineapple mayo as my sauce. It is delicious.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 9:12 PM
Pineapple on pizza is an abomination. We declare it anathema.
(Seriously. Something about pineapple with tomato sauce -- or any fruits with tomatoes -- yeesh.)
(Barbequed chicken pizza is also right out.)
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 9:35 PM
BBQ chicken pizza kept me alive my freshman year in college. It will always have a place in my heart. And my stomach.
Posted by Matt F | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 10:08 PM
re:91
Acid levels in pineapple have been reduced dramatically by new cultivars which became common in US markets around 2000. The effects of this switch upon the taste of the bodily fluids of the nation's fruit-eaters remains up for debate.
Posted by you there | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 10:10 PM
Is 107 for real??
I like pineapple,but I'
ve always found it dangerous as a breakfast food. If you drink coffee after eating pineapple, you rmouth sort fo stings and there's a bad taste in it.
Posted by Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 04-19-06 10:38 PM
Pineapple and pizza are two of the yummiest foods around, but not together.
Posted by Frederick | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 1:38 AM
We're almost there, teofilo. Almost there. Console yourself, as I am, by eating ridiculous quantities of macaroons.
Posted by mrh | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 6:52 AM
63 is right. And tofu is quite good, and tofu + pineapple + green beans would be a perfectly valid stir fry, as someone pointed out.
Also, pineapple on pizza is delicious. In fact, PK insists on it. So there.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 7:15 AM
111 -- Ack! No! Don't put the pineapple in the stir-fry! That would be a terrible mistake. Eat it separately, for dessert.
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 7:20 AM
It's fine in stir fry. Jesus, people. Expand your horizons a little.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 7:22 AM
111 gets it exactly right.
Pineapple is delicious on pizza. When I was growing up, my mother would put sweet pickle cubes on pizza, which sounds awful but is surprisingly good. Another excellent variation is to use red pepper jelly instead of tomato sauce, especially if you're putting shrimp on the pizza. Mmm.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 7:28 AM
(Seriously. Something about pineapple with tomato sauce -- or any fruits with tomatoes -- yeesh.)
What about tomatoes with tomatoes?
Posted by Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 7:29 AM
And tofu is quite good, and tofu + pineapple + green beans would be a perfectly valid stir fry, as someone pointed out.
I must be spelling "placenta" wrong, because I can't seem to find the place where you approve of adding soy to it for a nutritious meal, B.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 8:09 AM
There is small place in Warsaw run by a self-help commune of addicts/ex-addicts that serves massive portions of the most incredibly delicious and original vegetarian meals. Very many done with Tofu as an ingredient. The place heaves with suits lunchtimes, and with cooler types evenings. Last autumn, it kept me more or less alive there.
No Pineapple in the stir fry there though, B.
Posted by Austro | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 8:18 AM
Venturing further afield: Last night we were reading Little House in the Big Woods, and we got to the part where Caroline and the girls make cheese. Now Sylvia has got a bee in her bonnet about making cheese and it sounds like fun to me too -- but I have not made any cheese since about 1990 or so (vegetarian, i.e. rennet-free, farmer cheese, which ended up tasting about like panir). Have any of you done it more recently? Any tips?
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 8:28 AM
The only placenta that really tastes good is bovine placenta.
As to pineapple and green beans together, I can't believe you people don't eat Thai food.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 8:33 AM
I've thought for years a good band name would be "Placenta Burger"
Posted by gswift | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 8:36 AM
118: Easy! Get a hunk of cheddar, a gallon of milk, and a little bit of something granular--sugar, flour, glitter, whatever. Pour the milk into a container, sprinkle the granular material over it and explain that it has to set for 24 hours to turn into cheese. Put it in the fridge. When the kid's back is turned, put the cheddar into a container *exactly like* the container the milk is in and pour the milk down the drain. Viola!
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 8:37 AM
No no no. Do not make cheese. People have struggled for hundreds of years developing incredible cheeses. One doesn’t sully the spirit of their good work just to remove a bee from one’s bonnet. Stop the madness, and support these master craftsmen!
Posted by Central Content Provider | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 8:37 AM
The only placenta that really tastes good is bovine placenta.
How many different placenta have you eaten, B?
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 8:37 AM
118: Easy! Get a hunk of cheddar, a gallon of milk, and a little bit of something granular--sugar, flour, glitter, whatever. Pour the milk into a container, sprinkle the granular material over it and explain that it has to set for 24 hours to turn into cheese. Put it in the fridge. When the kid's back is turned, put the cheddar into a container *exactly like* the container the milk is in and pour the milk down the drain. Voila! Cheese!
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 8:37 AM
Crap, I tried to catch the viola just as I clicked "post," and apparently didn't. Sorry for double post.
123: I've found that when devouring pregnant animals raw, it's hard to really avoid the placenta. So, lots.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 8:39 AM
Oh ho ho! But I have had an excellent curry dish, featuring tofu and green beans—served in a pineapple. And it was amazing.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 8:44 AM
And thus will our civilization endure.
Posted by Central Content Provider | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 8:46 AM
Pineapple and green beans in curry are fine together, and very tasty.
Pineapple is only anathema on pizza.
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 8:46 AM
Oh, and here is a site about making cheese. I've never made cheese, but one of my geeky grad school friends has, so it can't be that hard.
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 8:51 AM
Try making this cheese with him, B. He'll remember it forever.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 8:57 AM
Give the guest of honor at a birthday party a bottle of a fruity red wine and a pineapple, and instruct him or her to drink the former out of the latter. Someone came up with this idea for a birthday party I hosted, and I thought it was very fun.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 8:58 AM
I'm not the one who wants to make cheese. TMK is.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:00 AM
With Apo saying in 114 that one can make pizza with "red pepper jelly," I am compelled to ask, just as the heat compels the flakes to rise, what are the essential qualities of pizza? It's certainly not the shape, nor is is the presence of tomato sauce, nor, I'd be willing to contend, the presence of mozzarella or any other cheese. So what then?
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:06 AM
The scent of basil and oregano, and a relatively flat crust. Cheese, or tomato sauce, or both.
Pineapple is anathema. So is BBQ sauce. (Why? Why?). Most everything else is okay, including a lovely mashed potato pizza a place near me makes.
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:11 AM
Wait, you're okay with mashed potato pizza but not pineapple???
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:14 AM
Pynchon's Mason & Dixon contains an excellent discourse on the essential nature of pizza.
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:14 AM
a fruity red wine and a pineapple
When my ex-wife went to Japan last year, she brought me back a bottle of pineapple wine. It was repulsive.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:15 AM
Most fruit wine is repulsive. We recently opened a very anticipated bottle of cranberry wine, and pretty simultaneously spat out our first sips. Robitussin.
BBQ sauce on a pizza is lame in that special American way, but it's more normal than mashed potato. Before we rush to judgment, though, we should find out what else was on this mashed potato pizza. I can imagine that if it had, say, cheddar cheese, bacon, and chives, and was advertised as a kind of deconstructed baked potato, it would at least have a certain artistic integrity.
Posted by mrh | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:25 AM
You read Mason & Dixon??
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:26 AM
139 s/b "You're okay with Mason & Dixon but not pineapple???"
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:28 AM
I read the first 40 pages or so.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:28 AM
139: I read the first 200 pages or so enthusiastically, and the rest of it with less (and constantly diminishing) enthusiasm. But the pizza thing came fairly early on, when they were in the South Seas. And I'm fine with pineapple, I called it "the food of the Gods" above, dint I? I just don't view pizza or stir-fry as an appropriate venue for its greatness.
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:33 AM
And this reminds me: the very first Internet community I was ever really involved in (i.e. not counting sporadic postings on various USENET forums) was the Pynchon-l, and the way I found out about them was to stand in line outside of St. Mark's Bookshop on the morning Mason & Dixon was published, waiting for the doors to open so I could buy my copy. Actually it was a very short line, just me and this woman, but it was she who told my about the Pynchon-l.
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:37 AM
We recently opened a very anticipated bottle of cranberry wine, and pretty simultaneously spat out our first sips. Robitussin.
That's interesting, because cranberries themselves are very tart. My guess: tarted up (so to speak) for the hypothetical consumer who couldn't handle the real truth!
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 10:16 AM
Pynchon's Mason & Dixon contains an excellent discourse on the essential nature of pizza.
If it doesn't feature a sentient lightbulb, I'm underwhelmed.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 10:33 AM
If it doesn't feature a sentient lightbulb, I'm underwhelmed.
See it's people like you who stand in the way of progress. You'd go to a John Fahey concert and be disappointed when he didn't play "Sunflower River Blues".
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 10:41 AM
I like the taste of Robitussin.
Posted by Becks | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 10:45 AM
Enough to drink glasses of it?
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 10:50 AM
You'd go to a John Fahey concert and be disappointed when he didn't play "Sunflower River Blues".
This is unlikely for a number of reasons.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 10:52 AM
I wouldn't sip glasses of it. Shots, maybe.
Posted by Becks | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 10:52 AM
Well go for it then -- I understand you can get a wicked high off that.
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 10:54 AM
Yeah, my high school self can confirm that you have to slug that shit back fast if you want to drink enough to get a DXM buzz. Luckily, the gelcap formulation eliminates that problem (though you might find them a bit flavorless, Becks).
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 11:07 AM
Robotrippin.
Posted by Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 11:28 AM
I know a couple of guys who were pretty seriously into Robitussin as a recreational drug. *shudder*
Maybe our mistake with the cranberry wine was that we should have been pounding shots instead of sipping with cheese?
Posted by mrh | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 11:28 AM
I don't think you would have got a DXM buzz, however much cranberry wine you forced down.
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 11:30 AM
BTW -- some neighbors gave us a bottle of blueberry wine as a moving-in present, and it has been exiled to a dark back of an out-of-the-way cabinet, where it is never going to be drunk, at least not until Sylvia grows up enough to be interested in alcohol and going through cabinets looking for it.
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 11:33 AM
My advice: if you want Sylvia to swear off alcohol for a good long while, let the blueberry wine be her first taste of it.
Random funny thought: some friends and I once found, in a drug store, a bottle of knock-off cough syrup called, simply, "Tussin." We spun a whole story about how Tussin might end up getting shot in the line of duty, made into a cyborg, and return as RoboTussin.
It was funny at the time.
Posted by mrh | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 11:41 AM
During the pineapple-fest yesterday, I wanted to post a photo of my pineapple-boat Viking-funeral, but now that I've recuperated my digital camera, I've discovered that I just can't get good enough resolution from the photo-of-a-photo.
Just imagine it, then: ten paper-doll cutouts of Vikings with helmets and spears and three square-rigged sails, all propped up with wooden skewers, in a half-pineapple boat floating down the Seine, gloriously aflame.
Posted by Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 12:43 PM
my first underage drunkenness experience was apricot brandy. I don't think I drank again for a couple of years. gaah!
Could someone please give the source for the sentient light-bulb? I thought I'd read all of Pynchon (well, except Mason & Dixon and the last three quarters of that Gravity's Rainbow book) and I don't remember any sentient light-bulbs anywhere.
Posted by mcmc | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:06 PM
I do remember with great pleasure the Christian rats.
Posted by mcmc | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:07 PM
I haven't read a single page of the first thing you mention, and I've read every page of the second.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:08 PM
well, any sentient lightbulbs?
Posted by mcmc | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:17 PM
We spun a whole story about how Tussin might end up getting shot in the line of duty, made into a cyborg, and return as RoboTussin.
It was funny at the time.
It made me laugh.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:21 PM
Crap, that goddamn italics cutoff, I always forget it.
Oh well, y'all know how that should've been formatted.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:22 PM
162: See 145, and take for granted that you have read every Pynchon novel other than the one's you mentioned, and that 145 is referring to a Pynchon novel.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:37 PM
Long about the middle of Gravity's Rainbow (page references here, if you scroll down) we meet a lightbulb named Byron who is, yes, sentient. (Also Byron had a compadre named Bernie, but Bernie is only mentioned very briefly. A Norwegian filmmaker also made a film about Byron. Mcmc, you'd be well advised to reapply yourself to the reading of that fine novel.
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:38 PM
Rats. Consider that parenthesis as having been closed before the note about Norway.
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:39 PM
I'm not sure what that apostrophe is doing in "one's". Possibly hanging out with its friends "n" and "s".
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:43 PM
I hate problems. Let's see, mason and dixon has pizza but no lightbulbs, v, christian rats; lot 49, silent tristero's empire; vineland has ninjas...okay, but if I read Gravity's Rainbow and find no sentient light-bulbs, I am going to be very very upset with you, washerdreyer.
Posted by mcmc | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:43 PM
The mashed potato pizza is sort of deconstructed, heavy on the garlic, on a white pizza.
It's basically pure starch overload such that your brain overloads and you want more.
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:45 PM
Oh, I should have previewed. Thanks, Kid. G's R it is, then.
Posted by mcmc | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:45 PM
No, you shouldn't have previewed. The commenter formerly known as JO ruined all my fun.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:50 PM
Cala -- that sounds kind of similar to the ziti pizza that we have here in New Jersey. I'm not a huge fan though I can understand the appeal of so much starch.
Mcmc -- still, you ought to read the book. One of the greatest things ever written and all, y'know. Immortal sentient lightbulbs are only a tiny fraction of the mystery that awaits you.
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:53 PM
Sorry w/d -- I get into this paedagogical frame of mind and I just forget myself.
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:54 PM
It's nice but when you eat the pizza, you can hear your fat cells simultaneously singing praise unto potatoes and expanding.
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 9:54 PM
172: nah, wd, I actually had to come out of my blog-trance for a second there.
Why has the Kid gone all anonymous, anyway? Kid, do you have stalkers?
Posted by mcmc | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 10:00 PM
Oh, I will read it. actually, a colleague of mine had promised to bring in her copy for me, but she keeps forgetting. I'll just have to get my own, and just as well, as with a book this enormous the odds against my not spilling coffee on the pages at some point are almost incalculable.
Cala, so garlic mashed potatoes go in the pizza oven and get all brown and crusty? Mmm.
Posted by mcmc | Link to this comment | 04-20-06 10:06 PM
Is vegetarianism blasphemous
God is my Jewish grandmother?
Posted by slolernr | Link to this comment | 04-21-06 4:36 AM
I was once reliably informed that the thing about pineapple and various fluids is true. But this was back in the 1980s, before the Dole company started inserting antacid genes in pineapple embryos.
Posted by slolernr | Link to this comment | 04-21-06 4:39 AM
Mason & Dixon, which I actually pulled off the shelf with the intent of re-reading earlier this week, I shall always cherish for having a joke about the War of Jenkin's Ear. I ask but little, you know.
Posted by slolernr | Link to this comment | 04-21-06 4:40 AM
Why has the Kid gone all anonymous, anyway?
Just trying to fit in with the crowd, Mcmc.
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 04-21-06 5:43 AM
Slolearner -- If you care to look them up there are pretty extensive reading notes to Mason & Dixon archived at WASTE -- search for MDMD (Mass Discussion of Mason & Dixon, it stands for) and you will get more information than you could possibly process, some fraction of it quite useful.
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