Once again, I totally flaked and didn't realize there was a primary going on this week. If someone like me, who reads the news and generally pays attention to politics, can't know there's a primary going on, how is someone less engaged? Part of that has to do with the fact it seems like there's an election every couple of months in Virginia. It seems like they're always voting on something, and I never find out about them until they're over. It seems like there are "Vote for ThisGuy" signs stuck in the highway medians year-round but nothing ever with, like, the freakin' date of the election.
Really? I thought there was an election last Tuesday and I missed it? Or perhaps there was because they have one EVERY FREAKIN' WEEK. (Or at least it feels that way.)
I actually don't think you should do so, because New York is consistently Democratic to the point that we don't need more voters, but are you eligible to vote here?
Also, in my Law of Democracy class, both the professor and the students who lived in part of NYC (I know upper west side was included and that east village was not) missed a state legislature election.
What, did Civ Pro pass over your head entirely? She's a citizen of, and therefore eligible to vote in, any state she considers herself a resident of and intends to make her home in, so long as she has been in that state. So she's eligible to vote in New York if she internally decides to make it her home, and then registers to vote there.
I would be so pissed if I missed an election. The voting place is around the corner from me, and usually there are handy little "Your voting place is X" signs taped up on the front door of all the apartment buildings on the block.
Granted, part of my pleasure in voting comes from pulling that gigantic lever and imagining that it's connected to a rack in the basement: "One more twist of the toggle for 'Working Families' and he'll blow! Take that, evilcon!"
That's not a very good reason to vote, perhaps, but it helps with the standing in line.
I failed to connect residence for jurisdiction, forum, venue, etc. to the question of where one is eligible to vote. And don't you have to have the intention that that location will be your residence indefinitely?
Nah, or at least I don't think so. How would that work: "Well, glad to shake the dust of Kansas off my feet -- I certainly don't live there anymore. Hello Nebraska! I'm going to enjoy residing here until my next transfer in 2009 -- goodness knows where they'll send me then!"? The weirdly perky speaker isn't a resident of Kansas anymore -- they've left without intention of returning. They don't plan to stay in Nebraska indefinitely -- there's a clearly forseen next move coming up. Nonetheless, they have to be a Nebraska resident -- there isn't any other alternative.
(And I was unfair: sure, there can be requirements for voting eligibility beyond residence from a jurisdiction point of view. They just can't be terribly significant. You should be on top of this from LoD.)
I'm torn on the Dems. Neither Miller nor Webb is/are anywhere left enough. I think I'll vote for Webb. I think that he'll have a better chance against Allen.
If I can figure out who is less extreme in the GOP primary I might vote there too. (No party registration in VA.)
Then I'll go glare at tourists who stand on the left on Metro escalators and walk slowly five abreast on the sidewalks.
Am I misunderstanding? It sounds like you are saying our friend Becks does not have to choose between registering in Virginia and in NY -- she can do both! Which runs contrary to my understanding. Because if she were registered in both locations, couldn't she vote twice in federal elections? And I mean I'd be happy for Becks to be doubly represented but I don't think it would sit so well with the constitution. Or are you just saying she can register in either place at her discretion?
10- I was going to bring that up as an example of voting not being strictly tied to the civ pro concept of residence. But looking for confirmation of my "indefinite" claim, I found only student outlines from civ pro classes, including someone's from my civ pro class. And what it says is that you only have domicile in a state if you are planning to be a resident indefinitely.
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9: What if you'll be returning to Kansas, you have a job in Kansas, but you're in Nebraska for several months, and your lease has run out in Kansas so you don't currently have an address there? Are you still a Kansas resident? Where do you live in Kansas?
15: Absolutely Kansas. You can be away from your home state with no place to live back there for a long, long time and still be a resident (people spend careers in the military absentee-voting in their 'home state' which they haven't been back to for decades).
12: It sounds like you are saying our friend Becks does not have to choose between registering in Virginia and in NY -- she can do both!
Not both, either. Most of the deciding factor is her internal decision of which state is home for her. If one state is home, the other isn't.
Because I work in two different states, the IRS actually looks at things like where I vote and have a car registered to determine what it considers to be my state of residency. I can only work on my current assignment under the rules of my particular contract if I am a Virginia resident. Therefore, I vote in Virginia. (And this whole mess of rules is why I'm about to go chill there for a month.)
It's a koan: in order to stay in New York, I must prove I don't want to stay there...or something.
Practically, though, I'm pretty sure I could have voted in both local Calaville elections but used my Hometown residency for the National elections. Throw in a political party change and no one knows how many times you can vote.
I feel the need to say that a case taught in Civ. Pro for related jurisdictional issues is World Wide Volkswagen v. Woodson, and I wanted terribly badly to be called on in class that day so that I could offhandedly refer to it as WWVW v. W -- an immensely satisfying abbreviation.
Another instance, members of the military who don't even have a dwelling place in a state yet are considered residents and vote there (absentee).
This is true, but Carrington v. Rash forbade Texas from following their previous practice of only allowing servicemen (and women) to vote in the Texas county which they resided in before joining the serivce (if you didn't previously live in Texas you couldn't vote there). So they too have options.
Strangely enough, a lot of service people tend to end up deciding that the place they're going to return to when they get out of the service--and therefore their domicile for voting and tax purposes--is whichever of the states with no income tax they've lived in at one time or another.
There are, and should be, special rules for members of the military.
The people getting screwed today are the college students. IIRC, the republican party in either Arizona or NM really pushed a challenge on this in '04.
Just as another f'rinstance, I voted in Tuesday's primary.
I showed up at the grade school where I'd voted before, only to be told I wasn't s'posed to vote there.
Fine, I hadn't moved in the last 4 years, but it happens. This wasn't based on school districts at all because my nine-year-old attends that particular school.
It's all good though, one of the ladies (can we get some love for the LWV?) ran downstairs to call city-hall & find out where I needed to be.
[While we waited, I had a lovely chat with one lady whose grandson was my son's classmate. I am *so* the future face of the League of Women Voters.]
But I digress; they gave me the correct address, and it was right across from a college campus.
Now, the grade school polling place was lined with campaign signs. It had all the hallmarks of a polling place. I knew exactly which church they sent me to; but I still almost missed it. All they had was a little 9"-13" sign that said 'vote here' taped to the inside of a side door of the church.
Coincidence?
i hope some of you virginia voters are going to vote out Virgil B. Goode, whose name is lots of fun to say out loud but who was my representative during a dark year that i resided in charlottesville VA -- a city which is DIVIDED IN HALF electorally so that my little campus neighborhood could be part of the same district as the people who live on the border with north carolina in little towns without electricity and vote republican.
(can you believe there are towns in the US that still don't have proper electricity? sad).
Goode left the Republican party because it wasn't conservative enough for him, though. so i should say they vote independent.
Once again, I totally flaked and didn't realize there was a primary going on this week. If someone like me, who reads the news and generally pays attention to politics, can't know there's a primary going on, how is someone less engaged? Part of that has to do with the fact it seems like there's an election every couple of months in Virginia. It seems like they're always voting on something, and I never find out about them until they're over. It seems like there are "Vote for ThisGuy" signs stuck in the highway medians year-round but nothing ever with, like, the freakin' date of the election.
Posted by Becks | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 8:19 AM
Don't worry. Only evil people would rig an election. Watchen den blinkenlights.
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 8:26 AM
Virginia's primary for federal elections is next Tuesday.
The big contest is for the Democratic challenger to U.S. Senator George Allen.
Posted by md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 9:29 AM
Really? I thought there was an election last Tuesday and I missed it? Or perhaps there was because they have one EVERY FREAKIN' WEEK. (Or at least it feels that way.)
Posted by Becks | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 9:31 AM
I actually don't think you should do so, because New York is consistently Democratic to the point that we don't need more voters, but are you eligible to vote here?
Also, in my Law of Democracy class, both the professor and the students who lived in part of NYC (I know upper west side was included and that east village was not) missed a state legislature election.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 9:41 AM
are you eligible to vote here?
What, did Civ Pro pass over your head entirely? She's a citizen of, and therefore eligible to vote in, any state she considers herself a resident of and intends to make her home in, so long as she has been in that state. So she's eligible to vote in New York if she internally decides to make it her home, and then registers to vote there.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 9:45 AM
I would be so pissed if I missed an election. The voting place is around the corner from me, and usually there are handy little "Your voting place is X" signs taped up on the front door of all the apartment buildings on the block.
Granted, part of my pleasure in voting comes from pulling that gigantic lever and imagining that it's connected to a rack in the basement: "One more twist of the toggle for 'Working Families' and he'll blow! Take that, evilcon!"
That's not a very good reason to vote, perhaps, but it helps with the standing in line.
Posted by Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 9:50 AM
I failed to connect residence for jurisdiction, forum, venue, etc. to the question of where one is eligible to vote. And don't you have to have the intention that that location will be your residence indefinitely?
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 9:56 AM
Nah, or at least I don't think so. How would that work: "Well, glad to shake the dust of Kansas off my feet -- I certainly don't live there anymore. Hello Nebraska! I'm going to enjoy residing here until my next transfer in 2009 -- goodness knows where they'll send me then!"? The weirdly perky speaker isn't a resident of Kansas anymore -- they've left without intention of returning. They don't plan to stay in Nebraska indefinitely -- there's a clearly forseen next move coming up. Nonetheless, they have to be a Nebraska resident -- there isn't any other alternative.
(And I was unfair: sure, there can be requirements for voting eligibility beyond residence from a jurisdiction point of view. They just can't be terribly significant. You should be on top of this from LoD.)
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 10:02 AM
College students register in their college-towns all the same. When I was an undergrad, we voted in the dorm lounge.
Posted by Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 10:06 AM
VA does have a ton of elections. But, no butterfly ballot.
Here's the Arlington County Elections' website.
I'm torn on the Dems. Neither Miller nor Webb is/are anywhere left enough. I think I'll vote for Webb. I think that he'll have a better chance against Allen.
If I can figure out who is less extreme in the GOP primary I might vote there too. (No party registration in VA.)
Then I'll go glare at tourists who stand on the left on Metro escalators and walk slowly five abreast on the sidewalks.
Posted by md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 10:08 AM
Am I misunderstanding? It sounds like you are saying our friend Becks does not have to choose between registering in Virginia and in NY -- she can do both! Which runs contrary to my understanding. Because if she were registered in both locations, couldn't she vote twice in federal elections? And I mean I'd be happy for Becks to be doubly represented but I don't think it would sit so well with the constitution. Or are you just saying she can register in either place at her discretion?
Posted by The Modesto Kid | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 10:08 AM
10- I was going to bring that up as an example of voting not being strictly tied to the civ pro concept of residence. But looking for confirmation of my "indefinite" claim, I found only student outlines from civ pro classes, including someone's from my civ pro class. And what it says is that you only have domicile in a state if you are planning to be a resident indefinitely.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 10:10 AM
ISE. No kitty.
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Posted by md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 10:10 AM
9: What if you'll be returning to Kansas, you have a job in Kansas, but you're in Nebraska for several months, and your lease has run out in Kansas so you don't currently have an address there? Are you still a Kansas resident? Where do you live in Kansas?
This is not a request for legal advice, natch.
Posted by Anon | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 10:11 AM
Another instance, members of the military who don't even have a dwelling place in a state yet are considered residents and vote there (absentee).
Posted by md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 10:14 AM
15: Absolutely Kansas. You can be away from your home state with no place to live back there for a long, long time and still be a resident (people spend careers in the military absentee-voting in their 'home state' which they haven't been back to for decades).
12: It sounds like you are saying our friend Becks does not have to choose between registering in Virginia and in NY -- she can do both!
Not both, either. Most of the deciding factor is her internal decision of which state is home for her. If one state is home, the other isn't.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 10:16 AM
Pwned! Ten points for md 20/400.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 10:17 AM
Because I work in two different states, the IRS actually looks at things like where I vote and have a car registered to determine what it considers to be my state of residency. I can only work on my current assignment under the rules of my particular contract if I am a Virginia resident. Therefore, I vote in Virginia. (And this whole mess of rules is why I'm about to go chill there for a month.)
It's a koan: in order to stay in New York, I must prove I don't want to stay there...or something.
Posted by Becks | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 10:30 AM
The Zaphod Beeblebrox Maneuver!
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 10:35 AM
Practically, though, I'm pretty sure I could have voted in both local Calaville elections but used my Hometown residency for the National elections. Throw in a political party change and no one knows how many times you can vote.
I'm a one-woman Diebold machine.
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 10:39 AM
I feel the need to say that a case taught in Civ. Pro for related jurisdictional issues is World Wide Volkswagen v. Woodson, and I wanted terribly badly to be called on in class that day so that I could offhandedly refer to it as WWVW v. W -- an immensely satisfying abbreviation.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 10:42 AM
I am here to tell you, those voting machines are going to be the death of democracy, one way or another.
Hi, my name is Robust, and it's Tin-Foil-Hat Friday.
Posted by Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 10:46 AM
Diebold is German for "the bold." No one who speaks German could be an evil man.
Posted by eb | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 10:49 AM
Becks, one does not "chill" in Virginia in mid-summer. Would that it were so.
So what weird local-content provision is there in this contract? Doesn't that violate something in interstate commerce?
Posted by md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 10:59 AM
eb, I believe you have discovered the anti-matter counterpart particle to Godwin.
Posted by Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 11:19 AM
Another instance, members of the military who don't even have a dwelling place in a state yet are considered residents and vote there (absentee).
This is true, but Carrington v. Rash forbade Texas from following their previous practice of only allowing servicemen (and women) to vote in the Texas county which they resided in before joining the serivce (if you didn't previously live in Texas you couldn't vote there). So they too have options.
Also, Carrington v. Rash in an awesome case name.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 12:17 PM
Strangely enough, a lot of service people tend to end up deciding that the place they're going to return to when they get out of the service--and therefore their domicile for voting and tax purposes--is whichever of the states with no income tax they've lived in at one time or another.
Posted by DaveL | Link to this comment | 06- 9-06 12:49 PM
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There are, and should be, special rules for members of the military.
The people getting screwed today are the college students. IIRC, the republican party in either Arizona or NM really pushed a challenge on this in '04.
Just as another f'rinstance, I voted in Tuesday's primary.
I showed up at the grade school where I'd voted before, only to be told I wasn't s'posed to vote there.
Fine, I hadn't moved in the last 4 years, but it happens. This wasn't based on school districts at all because my nine-year-old attends that particular school.
It's all good though, one of the ladies (can we get some love for the LWV?) ran downstairs to call city-hall & find out where I needed to be.
[While we waited, I had a lovely chat with one lady whose grandson was my son's classmate. I am *so* the future face of the League of Women Voters.]
But I digress; they gave me the correct address, and it was right across from a college campus.
Now, the grade school polling place was lined with campaign signs. It had all the hallmarks of a polling place. I knew exactly which church they sent me to; but I still almost missed it. All they had was a little 9"-13" sign that said 'vote here' taped to the inside of a side door of the church.
Coincidence?
Posted by Miss Emily | Link to this comment | 06-10-06 2:36 AM
i hope some of you virginia voters are going to vote out Virgil B. Goode, whose name is lots of fun to say out loud but who was my representative during a dark year that i resided in charlottesville VA -- a city which is DIVIDED IN HALF electorally so that my little campus neighborhood could be part of the same district as the people who live on the border with north carolina in little towns without electricity and vote republican.
(can you believe there are towns in the US that still don't have proper electricity? sad).
Goode left the Republican party because it wasn't conservative enough for him, though. so i should say they vote independent.
Posted by mmf! | Link to this comment | 06-10-06 9:40 AM