Oh, that's a very good kitten. I shouldn't be hoping for the day that we no longer need to hire childcare, because I would like a cat (and Newt would sell me on the black market for one), and we can't get one because Nancy's allergic.
I happened to spend fifteen or so minutes in the local vet's last week, and it was a huge mistake because I fell head over heels for a little tawny tabby named Buttercup, and there is NO way I can adopt a kitten right now. I almost had to cry when I left.
Not that I know the first damned thing about raising cats.
There's nothing to know. You feed them, clean out the cat box (which they use without training), and scratch below the back corner of the jaw (and elsewhere, but that's a good spot.)
Now, I have called people nasty names in the past- "raging ass-fuck monster twat" is my personal favorite. However, I do at least understand and recognize that my status as a foul-mouthed cretin renders me completely unfit to lecture others about the virtues of civility. I would like to think that anyone who gleefully calls someone else a "douche" and "pussy" would at least own up to what they are, instead of bringing out the tired schtick of, "My poo doth not stinketh but thine poo dost! Saying that thou didst touch some guy's sister in her secret places lots is harmless grade school humour! But if thou callest someone a "wanker," then thou art the vilest knave e'er to debauch o'er the land! I am rubber, thou art glue, thy foolish scamp! W00teth!"
Cats are easy. They know how to use the litter box. They are fine with being fed dry food. If you clip their nails, they won't destroy most stuff. You can get them all their shots at Petco for about $40.
My cat likes to chew on purses and on the heels of high heels and bat things off the table (iPod, cellphone, keys, bottle caps, glass vase). That's pretty much it for annoyances.
FL, if you're retiring, can I have your job? I can teach about the rights of dead violinists to life, too. You can have my cat to sell to Newt for one lawyerly LB.
At a market value of one kitten, I'm cheap, but on the other hand my work ethic is questionable. As an investment, I think you're better off investing your kitten in uranium stocks.
Why is this particular little clique of right-wing bloggers so fucking obsessed with this shit? I love Patterico's little "I wanted to rattle his chain" bullshit as if that's just fun and games, ha ha, and in no way bears any resemblance to implicit threats. And this whole, "he outed himself, and obviously he wanted to" self-justification. No, asshole, he simply removed the "threat" you were trying to use to rattle his chain.
Seriously, I propose we analyze this obsession with naming and try to figure out what it's about. I suggest it's tied into the right-wing inability to distinguish between the person and the role: criticizing Bush is treason, etc.
Re cats: don't get them from pet stores, and try to make sure they were with their mothers long enough to be properly litter-trained. Getting one from a vet is usually good, ime (they'll often throw in the initial vaccinations, which is cool). But basically cats *are* easy: a litter box, cat food, water. They'll play with strings. They're cute. Get them their shots. If you live on a safe street, get them a cat flap once they've gotten settled and know that your place is home; that way they'll get more exercise and not mrowr at you all the time to go out (and be less likely to develop neurotic cat behaviors like peeing in the wrong places).
Once you decide to jump, JM, let us know and we'll tell you what kinds of litter and cat food are best.
23: Agree entirely. I worry that FL is taking undue risks just visiting those sites, and there are, at most, a handful of right wing sites on which I would feel comfortable leaving comments. They just really don't have the same sense of right and wrong as most of us do. They're bad people.
I propose we analyze this obsession with naming and try to figure out what it's about.
It's simple, B. They are so very obviously still dealing with the fallout of being the unpopular kids that got picked on all the way through high school. Now they're going to show all those people who wouldn't give them the time of day just how powerful they have become, since the "you'll work for me one day" imprecation they mumbled under their breaths never came to pass.
25 is correct: I'm frequently annoyed by the "you don't engage with those who disagree, you don't even read right-wing blogs" nonsense, specifically because if you *do* read and comment, six months later said right-wing nutcase will try to use the ip you commented with to track you down. Fuck, I don't even like following Labs' links, because I don't want my ip showing up on their stats. Fucking wankers.
It's also one reason why I've begun the slow process of making it not that hard to figure out who I am: as insurance for the next time some dickweed decides to try to "punish" me by publishing my name. It'll be nice to be able to do what TBogg did (and a couple others have, too)--to just call their fucking bluff.
27 is right. There's something there about an element of personal intimidation: you can't really threaten an author-function, but you can threaten a person.
It's this sort of bizarre logic. Yelling at someone on the Internet and threatening them under a pseudonym? Cowardly, yellow, the lowest of the low. Use your own name when you RAPE them in the FACE on the internet in a comment box. That day, my boy, you are a man!
It's not like posting under his own name has made Glenn Reynolds not be an idiot.
29: This site, which I don't know from Adam, disagrees. But I can't find too much support for that. In a way it seems as though the dog itself rattles its chain when it behaves aggressively -- it rushes around, rattling its chain; but in another way perhaps rattling the dog's chain would annoy it.
Now I think of it, ghosts are said to rattle their own chains; the Canterville Ghost, for instance.
What other way do they have? They aren't going to show up at your door and challenge you to a fight, any more than they're going to go enlist. This is the only way they can make themselves feel powerful.
34: The phrase I've always heard is "If I wanted something from you, I would have rattled your chain", which has pretty nasty overtones, come to think of it.
Wikipædia thinks otherwise. Could be however that there are feral pigs which are not boars, ie domesticated pigs which have reverted to their feral state.
I think you're right that a boar is male. I don't know what you're supposed to call nondomesticated pigs, I just know that in Samoa we called them feral pigs and sped up on our bikes when we saw them. Wild dogs you can chase off by throwing stones -- feral pigs don't give a damn.
The Wild Boar (Sus scrofa) is the wild ancestor of the domestic pig. It lives in woodlands across much of Central Europe, the Mediterranean Region (including North Africa's Atlas Mountains), and much of Asia as far south as Indonesia. Animals similar to the wild boar include the warthog of Africa and the peccary or javelina of the American Southwest; but these animals do not share the pig's taxonomic genus. The peccary is actually in a different family.
Wrt getting a cat: If it's not been taken care of already: spay or neuter the cat. If a kitten: it can be done safely as early as approx. 8 weeks. Bottom line: do it by approx. 6 mos.
Specifically, an uncastrated male pig. That's why they have the term "wild boar". And those things are indeed mean. The best pork I ever tasted was wild boar in Norcia, Italy.
Boar does have something to do with sex, though. It must be one of those situations where the generic is one of the sexed terms -- "What a beautiful Golden Retriever. Is it a dog or a bitch?" or "There are ten cows in that field; eight cows and two bulls."
Apparently "boar" can be used to refer to a species, which is the ancestral species to the domestiated pig, or to refer to the adult male of several different species including the domesticated pig. (And the panda!)
Why is this particular little clique of right-wing bloggers so fucking obsessed with this shit?
What I gape in awe at is how much effort some of these guys put into this whole business--the pretending to debate the great issues of the day business, the Dungeons & Dragons pseudonym business, and the relentless fixation on the minutiae of who said what to whom. It's like deliberations by the Model UN from the backseat of the school bus.
Christ knows I'm a champion time-waster and I still can't find the time to read and comment on more than two or three blogs.
Deal is, it's a very old word -- OED has its first usage in 1000 A.D., when it was used to mean "the male of the swine, whether wild or tame (but uncastrated)." A hog is castrated.
59: There was that crazy women who did the whole trolling of Goldstein's site thing--she didn't out or threaten to out, but she was pretty much in the same ballpark. And Malkin's done it.
Yes, I want a cat; no, I'm not going to get one right now. And there's no way I'd keep an unfixed cat or dog; it's too dangerous!
(My family's first dog wasn't fixed--he was small, my dad thought it wouldn't matter much--and he was attacked and mauled three times, and finally was pretty much eaten by two Akitas, the brutes.)
You mean Frisch? Actually, and I don't mean this to sound self-congratulatory, because I'm not at all sure that it's true, has anyone ever seen a leftwinger out a rightwinger? There was Leiter threatening to out Juan Non-Volokh, but I can't think of another case.
Frisch didn't exactly out Jeff G, though. She stalked him, certainly, and generally behaved like a deranged lunatic, but that's not exactly the same.
As regards Malkin, you're talking about those UCSC students, right? I know it'll get me nastygrams, but I think that was something of an accident that she then took an evilly principled stand on. I'll grant she outed them, though.
What about the outing of Ben Domenech (that short-lived WaPo winger-blogger) as Augustine of RedState? A sort of reverse-outing, as it were. Didn't Jane Hamsher have a hand in that? Jesus, that was sandbox politics.
That might qualify. I get confused about degrees of outing -- wasn't BD pseudonymous like apostropher is, with the connection to the real name obvious if you looked? I don't think anyone could out apo. They could harass him, but not out him, because he's out.
But I thought that about the DailyKos guy, and enough people disagreed with me that I'm unconfident of my position.
BenDo was bent over only once he went to the major media. I'm OK with people being rougher with people in the Bigs. Reverse outing of an opinion blogger for major media--that really is OK. If someone has evidence that EJ Dionne rants hysterically, under a pseud, about the various deaths he wishes various Administration members, that's worth knowing.
67: Wrt urinary problems in cats, there's a collection of problems called FLUTD (feline lower urinary tract disease). Bco the shape of their urethra, males are at greater risk for having urethral obstructions (stones or plugs), although it's possible for females to have these. The other urinary problems are generally equal opportunity problems, ito male v. female.
On the other hand, the WaPo probably would never have noticed Augustine without being specifically informed of the identity. Could Hilzoy from ObWi be outed? I know who she is, and I never did any research to find out -- I can't remember where it came up, but it's pretty easy to find. But she doesn't have her real name on ObWi and my understanding is that that's intentional.
66: has anyone ever seen a leftwinger out a rightwinger?
A certain CTite mentioned the hometown and occupation of a persistent, very skilled troll once. Which I think should not have been done. (I would've banned him about a year before, and in fact this happened in response to an insulting remark he made to me about a comment said about this.) OTOH it wasn't a full outing, since it didn't give enough information to identify him.
I mention this in the spirit of pure evenhandedness, because even if semi-outing him was wrong I sure understood the temptation. A truly infuriating amoral bastard.
RedState is why he got the WaPo blogger gig, surely. Again, he wasn't semi-anonymous, he just used a handle, like Atrios. I knew who he was befoore the lefty bloggers discovered it.
80: There's maybe a difference between outing and Google-outing. Hilzoy has routinely used an e-mail address that links to her real name, at least once she's put her real name in a comment; and an obnoxious ObWi commenter has occasionally addressed her by her real name. So her name is at most an open secret. On the other hand, if you google her name ObWi doesn't come up on the front page, which is probably what she wants.
Well, that's what I mean. She's a hair more anonymous than you are, and a little less anonymous than Armando was, or TBogg was. Armando was less anonymous than I am, but all sorts of people could probably figure out who I am, and I'm not terribly careful about who I tell my real name to.
Where's the outing line? I think it's somewhere between me and Armando, but if someone said it was on the other side of me, I wouldn't be able to argue too hard.
DeLong has just about the worst netiquette of any biggish respectable blogger I know.
Hilzoy has pretty much said all along that her only goal with the handle was to make sure that the casual student googler wouldn't instantly come across all her political positions. She's basically out, even though I'd still consider it impolite to use her real name all over the place.
88: Oops, missed that. The American Journal of Bioethics is probably not going to refer to her by her pseud.
(I'd say she's two hairs more anonymous than me, but a hair more anonymous than someone who comments under her real name but doesn't link her blog from her personal homepage from her work page.)
I was thinking of writing bout Gun/nar and Al/va Myrd/al a while ago, because one of my co-bloggers is interested in them, and wondeed if it would be okay to mention that Hilzoy is their grandchild.
I think that on the question of where's the line, it's not that difficult: you don't mention someone's real name in the context of their blog handle unless it's up somewhere on their blog or unless that usage has become conventional. "Open secrets" are still effectively a means of maintaining some distance. I don't know who Hilzoy is, and if I google "Hilzoy," I expect it won't jump right out at me; if I *already* know her real name and it works the other way around, that's a little different. (Not from the pov of students, but from the pov of stalkers it is.)
I mean, I mention stuff here that I don't say on my own blog re. location and such: that puts it in the realm of "open secret," but no, for instance, I don't want where I went to grad school or where I grew up known at my place--if I did, I wouldn't mask those details over there, duh. I figure that's the line: if someone is open about X *on their blog*, then it's okay to mention it elsewhere; if not, unless you're sure it's okay, then don't.
Part of the distinction, obviously, is audience. Different blogs have different kinds of readers: stuff that gets understood here in one way would be read completely differently at my place, and I don't want to deal with the annoyance of explaining.
Monkeywrenching and sabotage are the primary winger skills.
The debunking of the Dan Rather memo using wizard internet skillz was an enormous event in the lives of the stereotypical winger geeks, and they've been hoping for a repeat ever since. They really believe that they've destroyed Greenwald's credibility forever, and they did succeed somewhat in diverting attention from Geenwald's substantive points.
Ann Coulter's high point was about 10 years ago when she was one of the elves working behind the scenes to bring Clinton down. That effort was a brilliant success in my opinion, since there was almost nothing to work with, but they succeeeded in hamstringing Clinton. Nothing she's done since has really amounted to much, but she keeps collecting the $$$. (Why the mainstream media still respects her, despite her several fatal flaws, is a question without a non-paranoid answer).
Nah, I read this thing because Ezra linked. He's not outrageous enough to be funny, and never close enough to right about anything to be seriously worth reading.
Yeah, but it's all in defense of Ann Coulter, who also believes in the Bell Curve and the notion that blacks are genetically dumber than whites. The fact that Kaus is accusing Sullivan of hypocrisy for calling Coulter a bigot because he pumped the same piece of junk science Coulter did, makes Kaus a hypocrite - in addition to being a bigot! THAT'S how much of a tool he is!
105: Not in the least. And lately he's gone from an annoyingly TNR-esque center-right contrarian with a monster grudge against the left to an eager mouthpiece for far-right talking points.
Once some douche on Yglesias's TPM blog started hinting that he knew who I was. Kind of amusing considering I'm not anonymous. God I hate these people and their veiled threats. Vox devotes posts to how he outsparred a girl, a girl!, in his martial arts studio. Goldstein once made a point of saying he could bench 300 in a comment. In winger land this is what passes for a badass.
118: You have to go back to 26 to get what apo is saying. He's not saying that he'd respect them more if they made a different kind of threats, he's insulting them by saying that they're insecure enough to need to make threats and these are the kinds available online.
It's not so much the not showing up to challenge one to a fight as it is equating sitting on the sofa blogging with serving in Iraq or (alternately) being a brave ensign on the Enterprise or the gutiest bard in the tavern.
#121: It's not so much the not showing up to challenge one to a fight as it is equating sitting on the sofa blogging with serving in Iraq or (alternately) being a brave ensign on the Enterprise or the gutiest bard in the tavern.
You're dealing in untrue stereotypes. Even right-wing bloggers who see themselves as playing some sort of role in fighting terrorism don't actually equate that role with the sacrifice and bravery of troops on the front lines.
And they all watch Star Trek, but only when they're not playing Dungeons & Dragons, right? Come on. You left out "eating cheetos in their parents' basement".
I love it that a thread that addresses Patterico and Malkin also involves feral pigs and urinary tract diseases in cats. There's a sense of rightness about it.
Incidentally, wild boar is truly delicious. I first tasted it as a young pup almost twenty years ago -- tenderloin of New Zealand boar, with cranberry reduction -- and I still remember that dish.
Dude, the guy who started the 101st Fighting Keyboardists calls himself Capt. Ed after his Star Trek passion. The guys who joined talked of laying their swords at his feet. Vox Day seems to be on this 'i have pwned everybody with my ninja skills kick'.
I would have been making stuff up if I'd mentioned the Cheetos, but really, there was no need to.
Here, you find a Freeper who was looking forward to protesting at the New York Times building -- this was a month ago -- saying this to someone who thought it was a waste of time:
But those who sit at a keyboard and denigrate what we do are saying they want to spend the war shoveling horse crap in Louisiana, and are due the equivalent respect.
So, four words for you:
Romeo
Echo
Mike
Foxtrot
[REMF == Rear Echelon M----F-----]
So, yeah, some of them really think there's in some kind of army.
Well come on, he wasn't just blogging -- he was going to march! In the streets! Probably carry a sign and chant! I could totally see comparing him to a soldier on the front lines.
It is the New York Times. That means he could be shot by a terrorist (since they all live in New York what with the exploding bombs and falling buildings.)
I often wonder just what it would be like to walk up to some of the more vitriolic bloggers and say "you called me an asshole online. Let's settle this." Just to see the expression. I should stop wondering about this.
My original Typepad blog had an explanation of the origins of "Captain Ed", but here it is again so I don't mislead people by mistake ... It's a nickname bestowed on me by a former girlfriend during a time in my life when I was a huge Star Trek fan, and had named my first car the Carship Enterprise, and had bought a license-plate frame with that on it. For a birthday gift, she got me a set of personalized license plates that read CPTN ED to fit within it.
But, I believe y'all are correct to say that he hasn't taken part in the outing fest. OTOH, he's not the only once prominent warblogger with a Star Trek obsession.
Oh, I didn't mean to imply he was behind an outing thing; just explaining the chest-beating EAT MEAT phenomenon. He's a goofball, but usually pretty civil.
ogged, but we diss Instapundit and you blogroll him. Is that not weird?
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coup de boule a gauche (coup de boule coup de boule)
Allez les bleus allez
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4 x
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Zidane il a frappe
L'italien ne va pas bien
Zidane il a tape
l'arbitre l'a vu a la tele
Zidane il a frappe
Mais la coupe on l'a rate, on a meme bien rigole
Zidane il a frappe, Zidane il a tape (coup de boule)
4 x
Trezeguet n'a pas joue
quand il n'a joue, il a rate
il a tout fait capote
la coupe on l'a rate
Barthez n'a rien arrete
c'est pourtant pas complique
les sponsors sont tous faches
mais Chirac a bien parle
Zidane il a frappe, Zidane il a tape (coup de boule)
4 x
Attention, c'est la dance du coup de boule (coup de boule coup de boule)
coup de boule a droit (coup de boule coup de boule)
coup de boule a gauche (coup de boule coup de boule)
et maintenant un penalty, attention il va tirer
un, deux, trois
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Zidane il a frappe, Zidane il a tape (coup de boule)
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On a quand meme bien rigole, Zidane et Trezeguet
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Looks to me like Goldstein could bench 300 pounds with his mind.
Are there other pictures?
I've never seen anything but a head pic either. 300 really isn't that much unless you're only weighing in at 140 or 150 and are putting up twice your body weight or something.
Still? Come on, Labs, you can beat this thing.
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:07 AM
Look!
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:14 AM
Oh, that's a very good kitten. I shouldn't be hoping for the day that we no longer need to hire childcare, because I would like a cat (and Newt would sell me on the black market for one), and we can't get one because Nancy's allergic.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:18 AM
Blogs have jumped the shark.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:24 AM
Newt would sell me on the black market for one
Sweet. I'll FedEx him one from the yard, and we'll be in business. I've been thinking about having in-house counsel anyway.
Posted by FL | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:25 AM
I happened to spend fifteen or so minutes in the local vet's last week, and it was a huge mistake because I fell head over heels for a little tawny tabby named Buttercup, and there is NO way I can adopt a kitten right now. I almost had to cry when I left.
Not that I know the first damned thing about raising cats.
Posted by Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:26 AM
There's nothing to know. You feed them, clean out the cat box (which they use without training), and scratch below the back corner of the jaw (and elsewhere, but that's a good spot.)
And FL -- you got a retirement plan?
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:29 AM
On the topic of the post:
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:34 AM
Cats are easy. They know how to use the litter box. They are fine with being fed dry food. If you clip their nails, they won't destroy most stuff. You can get them all their shots at Petco for about $40.
My cat likes to chew on purses and on the heels of high heels and bat things off the table (iPod, cellphone, keys, bottle caps, glass vase). That's pretty much it for annoyances.
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:35 AM
FL's real name, of course, is Fenton Labsendowski.
Posted by strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:35 AM
FL, if you're retiring, can I have your job? I can teach about the rights of dead violinists to life, too. You can have my cat to sell to Newt for one lawyerly LB.
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:38 AM
And FL -- you got a retirement plan?
My retirement plan was to buy a lawyer-- you know, kind of like an investment property.
Posted by FL | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:42 AM
At a market value of one kitten, I'm cheap, but on the other hand my work ethic is questionable. As an investment, I think you're better off investing your kitten in uranium stocks.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:45 AM
12 -- do lawyers appreciate?
Posted by Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:46 AM
If I ever get a pet, I want a pig. Pigs are teh cutest.
Posted by David Weman | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:46 AM
As an invenstment... investing
For shame, LB!
Posted by Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:47 AM
14: "do" should be "whom do"
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:47 AM
15 -- and tasty!
Posted by Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:48 AM
15: On the other hand, vicious and foul smelling. But some would say the same of lawyers.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:48 AM
You guys make cat ownership sound so easy. Don't. Encourage. Me. (Not yet.)
Posted by Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:53 AM
19: What do you mean, vicious?
Posted by David Weman | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 11:58 AM
Why is this particular little clique of right-wing bloggers so fucking obsessed with this shit? I love Patterico's little "I wanted to rattle his chain" bullshit as if that's just fun and games, ha ha, and in no way bears any resemblance to implicit threats. And this whole, "he outed himself, and obviously he wanted to" self-justification. No, asshole, he simply removed the "threat" you were trying to use to rattle his chain.
Seriously, I propose we analyze this obsession with naming and try to figure out what it's about. I suggest it's tied into the right-wing inability to distinguish between the person and the role: criticizing Bush is treason, etc.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:03 PM
I'm actually really pissed whenever somebody's cover gets blown like this, and it just seems like the pettiest thing you could do to someone.
Posted by strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:05 PM
Re cats: don't get them from pet stores, and try to make sure they were with their mothers long enough to be properly litter-trained. Getting one from a vet is usually good, ime (they'll often throw in the initial vaccinations, which is cool). But basically cats *are* easy: a litter box, cat food, water. They'll play with strings. They're cute. Get them their shots. If you live on a safe street, get them a cat flap once they've gotten settled and know that your place is home; that way they'll get more exercise and not mrowr at you all the time to go out (and be less likely to develop neurotic cat behaviors like peeing in the wrong places).
Once you decide to jump, JM, let us know and we'll tell you what kinds of litter and cat food are best.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:07 PM
23: Agree entirely. I worry that FL is taking undue risks just visiting those sites, and there are, at most, a handful of right wing sites on which I would feel comfortable leaving comments. They just really don't have the same sense of right and wrong as most of us do. They're bad people.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:08 PM
I propose we analyze this obsession with naming and try to figure out what it's about.
It's simple, B. They are so very obviously still dealing with the fallout of being the unpopular kids that got picked on all the way through high school. Now they're going to show all those people who wouldn't give them the time of day just how powerful they have become, since the "you'll work for me one day" imprecation they mumbled under their breaths never came to pass.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:09 PM
B, you know the political is personal.
Posted by FL | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:11 PM
25 is correct: I'm frequently annoyed by the "you don't engage with those who disagree, you don't even read right-wing blogs" nonsense, specifically because if you *do* read and comment, six months later said right-wing nutcase will try to use the ip you commented with to track you down. Fuck, I don't even like following Labs' links, because I don't want my ip showing up on their stats. Fucking wankers.
It's also one reason why I've begun the slow process of making it not that hard to figure out who I am: as insurance for the next time some dickweed decides to try to "punish" me by publishing my name. It'll be nice to be able to do what TBogg did (and a couple others have, too)--to just call their fucking bluff.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:11 PM
rattle his chain
FTR, I believe you yank someone's chain; you simply rattle them.
And I agree with sj's 23.
Posted by slolernr | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:12 PM
26, sure: but why in this *specific* way? There's something about the names thing in particular that's just weird.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:12 PM
27 is right. There's something there about an element of personal intimidation: you can't really threaten an author-function, but you can threaten a person.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:13 PM
It's this sort of bizarre logic. Yelling at someone on the Internet and threatening them under a pseudonym? Cowardly, yellow, the lowest of the low. Use your own name when you RAPE them in the FACE on the internet in a comment box. That day, my boy, you are a man!
It's not like posting under his own name has made Glenn Reynolds not be an idiot.
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:16 PM
And you can too 'rattle someone's chain'. It means to get their attention though, not to rattle someone.
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:18 PM
29: This site, which I don't know from Adam, disagrees. But I can't find too much support for that. In a way it seems as though the dog itself rattles its chain when it behaves aggressively -- it rushes around, rattling its chain; but in another way perhaps rattling the dog's chain would annoy it.
Now I think of it, ghosts are said to rattle their own chains; the Canterville Ghost, for instance.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:19 PM
why in this *specific* way?
What other way do they have? They aren't going to show up at your door and challenge you to a fight, any more than they're going to go enlist. This is the only way they can make themselves feel powerful.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:20 PM
34: The phrase I've always heard is "If I wanted something from you, I would have rattled your chain", which has pretty nasty overtones, come to think of it.
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:24 PM
True. Also it lends (the thinnest veneer of) credibility to their frequent threats to file frivolous lawsuits.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:25 PM
Well, then, I stand corrected. I never heard it, I confess.
Posted by slolernr | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:25 PM
it lends (the thinnest veneer of) credibility to their frequent threats to file frivolous lawsuits
The proper response to those threats is always "See you in court, asshole."
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:28 PM
Isn't "rattle your cage" what you're trying to say, though? Rattle the chain seems like some kind of weird eggcorn.
Posted by arthegall | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:29 PM
39: Yes, I know. That response is even better when followed up with a letter from a lawyer.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:31 PM
21: Okay, I was thinking about feral pigs, not pets. I don't know any pet pigs. But a feral pig will hurt you -- they're scarier than feral dogs.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:45 PM
Aren't feral pigs usually called boars?
Posted by Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:48 PM
No, a boar is a male pig, as opposed to a sow.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:48 PM
I think.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:49 PM
Oh.
Posted by Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:49 PM
Wikipædia thinks otherwise. Could be however that there are feral pigs which are not boars, ie domesticated pigs which have reverted to their feral state.
Posted by Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:50 PM
I reckon the word you were thinking of is "hog".
Posted by Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:51 PM
I think you're right that a boar is male. I don't know what you're supposed to call nondomesticated pigs, I just know that in Samoa we called them feral pigs and sped up on our bikes when we saw them. Wild dogs you can chase off by throwing stones -- feral pigs don't give a damn.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:51 PM
The Wild Boar (Sus scrofa) is the wild ancestor of the domestic pig. It lives in woodlands across much of Central Europe, the Mediterranean Region (including North Africa's Atlas Mountains), and much of Asia as far south as Indonesia. Animals similar to the wild boar include the warthog of Africa and the peccary or javelina of the American Southwest; but these animals do not share the pig's taxonomic genus. The peccary is actually in a different family.
Posted by strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:51 PM
Wrt getting a cat: If it's not been taken care of already: spay or neuter the cat. If a kitten: it can be done safely as early as approx. 8 weeks. Bottom line: do it by approx. 6 mos.
Posted by annie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:52 PM
a boar is a male pig
Specifically, an uncastrated male pig. That's why they have the term "wild boar". And those things are indeed mean. The best pork I ever tasted was wild boar in Norcia, Italy.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:53 PM
Boar does have something to do with sex, though. It must be one of those situations where the generic is one of the sexed terms -- "What a beautiful Golden Retriever. Is it a dog or a bitch?" or "There are ten cows in that field; eight cows and two bulls."
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:53 PM
And yet it does also seem to mean "[a]n uncastrated male pig."
Posted by strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:53 PM
That link also claims "boar" refers to "The adult male of any of several mammals, such as the beaver, raccoon, or guinea pig."
Posted by strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:54 PM
Apparently "boar" can be used to refer to a species, which is the ancestral species to the domestiated pig, or to refer to the adult male of several different species including the domesticated pig. (And the panda!)
Posted by Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:56 PM
Beaver, raccoon, or guinea pig? That is just fucking bizarre.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:56 PM
Why is this particular little clique of right-wing bloggers so fucking obsessed with this shit?
What I gape in awe at is how much effort some of these guys put into this whole business--the pretending to debate the great issues of the day business, the Dungeons & Dragons pseudonym business, and the relentless fixation on the minutiae of who said what to whom. It's like deliberations by the Model UN from the backseat of the school bus.
Christ knows I'm a champion time-waster and I still can't find the time to read and comment on more than two or three blogs.
Posted by Paul | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:57 PM
Has anyone ever seen a female blogger out another blogger's name?
Posted by Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:58 PM
Which is why I'm grateful to Labs for keeping score for me.
Posted by Paul | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 12:58 PM
Deal is, it's a very old word -- OED has its first usage in 1000 A.D., when it was used to mean "the male of the swine, whether wild or tame (but uncastrated)." A hog is castrated.
Posted by Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:01 PM
59: There was that crazy women who did the whole trolling of Goldstein's site thing--she didn't out or threaten to out, but she was pretty much in the same ballpark. And Malkin's done it.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:01 PM
(So it would have been borrowed to uncastrated males of those other species much as "bull" has been borrowed to refer to males of non-cattle species.)
Posted by Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:02 PM
It would be so awesome if that weren't Tbogg's real name.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:03 PM
Yes, I want a cat; no, I'm not going to get one right now. And there's no way I'd keep an unfixed cat or dog; it's too dangerous!
(My family's first dog wasn't fixed--he was small, my dad thought it wouldn't matter much--and he was attacked and mauled three times, and finally was pretty much eaten by two Akitas, the brutes.)
Posted by Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:04 PM
You mean Frisch? Actually, and I don't mean this to sound self-congratulatory, because I'm not at all sure that it's true, has anyone ever seen a leftwinger out a rightwinger? There was Leiter threatening to out Juan Non-Volokh, but I can't think of another case.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:04 PM
Oh, when you get a cat? Make sure you get a female, they're less likely to develop urinary tract problems as they age.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:05 PM
Boar and Sow are apparently also correct usage for bears.
Posted by I don't pay | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:08 PM
67: On the other hand, my family has had two toms get quite old.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:10 PM
Frisch didn't exactly out Jeff G, though. She stalked him, certainly, and generally behaved like a deranged lunatic, but that's not exactly the same.
As regards Malkin, you're talking about those UCSC students, right? I know it'll get me nastygrams, but I think that was something of an accident that she then took an evilly principled stand on. I'll grant she outed them, though.
What about the outing of Ben Domenech (that short-lived WaPo winger-blogger) as Augustine of RedState? A sort of reverse-outing, as it were. Didn't Jane Hamsher have a hand in that? Jesus, that was sandbox politics.
Posted by Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:11 PM
68: That makes more sense.
70: I know it's not the same, but it is in the ballpark, I think.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:14 PM
That might qualify. I get confused about degrees of outing -- wasn't BD pseudonymous like apostropher is, with the connection to the real name obvious if you looked? I don't think anyone could out apo. They could harass him, but not out him, because he's out.
But I thought that about the DailyKos guy, and enough people disagreed with me that I'm unconfident of my position.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:15 PM
I thought M/tch outed Apo.
Posted by Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:16 PM
Domenech was never anonymous.
Posted by David Weman | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:20 PM
BenDo was bent over only once he went to the major media. I'm OK with people being rougher with people in the Bigs. Reverse outing of an opinion blogger for major media--that really is OK. If someone has evidence that EJ Dionne rants hysterically, under a pseud, about the various deaths he wishes various Administration members, that's worth knowing.
I think.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:21 PM
I'm pretty sure Domenech never was semi-anonymous or anything. Pretty sure his real name was mentioned when redstate was founded.
Posted by David Weman | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:24 PM
73: I think the word you're looking for there is "bugged."
No, nobody can out me because I've never hidden my identity. In fact, if you google my real name, apostropher.com comes up as the second hit.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:24 PM
67: Wrt urinary problems in cats, there's a collection of problems called FLUTD (feline lower urinary tract disease). Bco the shape of their urethra, males are at greater risk for having urethral obstructions (stones or plugs), although it's possible for females to have these. The other urinary problems are generally equal opportunity problems, ito male v. female.
Posted by annie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:26 PM
Hmm, even more revealing. The fifth hit is "Technorati Profile for apostropher (Russ Barnes)".
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:26 PM
On the other hand, the WaPo probably would never have noticed Augustine without being specifically informed of the identity. Could Hilzoy from ObWi be outed? I know who she is, and I never did any research to find out -- I can't remember where it came up, but it's pretty easy to find. But she doesn't have her real name on ObWi and my understanding is that that's intentional.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:26 PM
66: has anyone ever seen a leftwinger out a rightwinger?
A certain CTite mentioned the hometown and occupation of a persistent, very skilled troll once. Which I think should not have been done. (I would've banned him about a year before, and in fact this happened in response to an insulting remark he made to me about a comment said about this.) OTOH it wasn't a full outing, since it didn't give enough information to identify him.
I mention this in the spirit of pure evenhandedness, because even if semi-outing him was wrong I sure understood the temptation. A truly infuriating amoral bastard.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:28 PM
RedState is why he got the WaPo blogger gig, surely. Again, he wasn't semi-anonymous, he just used a handle, like Atrios. I knew who he was befoore the lefty bloggers discovered it.
Posted by David Weman | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:30 PM
Hilzoy's anonymity is pretty marginal, anyhow.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:31 PM
To answer bitch, the wingnuts aren't interested in anonymous bloggers as an issue, but as a method of harming people.
Posted by David Weman | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:33 PM
80: There's maybe a difference between outing and Google-outing. Hilzoy has routinely used an e-mail address that links to her real name, at least once she's put her real name in a comment; and an obnoxious ObWi commenter has occasionally addressed her by her real name. So her name is at most an open secret. On the other hand, if you google her name ObWi doesn't come up on the front page, which is probably what she wants.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:33 PM
No, but DeLong's links to her does. Someone told him in comments, but he didn't do anything about it.
Posted by David Weman | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:35 PM
Well, that's what I mean. She's a hair more anonymous than you are, and a little less anonymous than Armando was, or TBogg was. Armando was less anonymous than I am, but all sorts of people could probably figure out who I am, and I'm not terribly careful about who I tell my real name to.
Where's the outing line? I think it's somewhere between me and Armando, but if someone said it was on the other side of me, I wouldn't be able to argue too hard.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:39 PM
85: Actually, the second hit on her real name mentions Obsidian Wings.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:41 PM
If you google [hilzoy's real name], hits #2 and 6 are blogs linking to posts by hilzoy and crediting them to [hilzoy's real name].
On preview, pwned.
Posted by washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:42 PM
and I'm not terribly careful about who I tell my real name to.
Are you trying to give me the shakes?
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:43 PM
Yeah -- I remember her being annoyed when bioethics.net published that. (Or maybe ObWi commenters were annoyed on her behalf? Something like that.)
Posted by Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:43 PM
DeLong has just about the worst netiquette of any biggish respectable blogger I know.
Hilzoy has pretty much said all along that her only goal with the handle was to make sure that the casual student googler wouldn't instantly come across all her political positions. She's basically out, even though I'd still consider it impolite to use her real name all over the place.
Posted by Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:43 PM
88: Oops, missed that. The American Journal of Bioethics is probably not going to refer to her by her pseud.
(I'd say she's two hairs more anonymous than me, but a hair more anonymous than someone who comments under her real name but doesn't link her blog from her personal homepage from her work page.)
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:44 PM
She's a hair more anonymous than you are, and a little less anonymous than Armando was, or TBogg was. Armando was less anonymous than I am,
Is this one of those logic puzzles?
Posted by My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:55 PM
A cutting query coming from one who signs himself "My Alter Ego".
Posted by Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 1:58 PM
I was thinking of writing bout Gun/nar and Al/va Myrd/al a while ago, because one of my co-bloggers is interested in them, and wondeed if it would be okay to mention that Hilzoy is their grandchild.
Posted by David Weman | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 2:05 PM
I think that on the question of where's the line, it's not that difficult: you don't mention someone's real name in the context of their blog handle unless it's up somewhere on their blog or unless that usage has become conventional. "Open secrets" are still effectively a means of maintaining some distance. I don't know who Hilzoy is, and if I google "Hilzoy," I expect it won't jump right out at me; if I *already* know her real name and it works the other way around, that's a little different. (Not from the pov of students, but from the pov of stalkers it is.)
I mean, I mention stuff here that I don't say on my own blog re. location and such: that puts it in the realm of "open secret," but no, for instance, I don't want where I went to grad school or where I grew up known at my place--if I did, I wouldn't mask those details over there, duh. I figure that's the line: if someone is open about X *on their blog*, then it's okay to mention it elsewhere; if not, unless you're sure it's okay, then don't.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 2:07 PM
Just like I don't mention over at my blog that I knocked up bitchphd.
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 2:12 PM
Exactly! That kind of information should stay here, where it belongs.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 2:14 PM
Part of the distinction, obviously, is audience. Different blogs have different kinds of readers: stuff that gets understood here in one way would be read completely differently at my place, and I don't want to deal with the annoyance of explaining.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 2:16 PM
Monkeywrenching and sabotage are the primary winger skills.
The debunking of the Dan Rather memo using wizard internet skillz was an enormous event in the lives of the stereotypical winger geeks, and they've been hoping for a repeat ever since. They really believe that they've destroyed Greenwald's credibility forever, and they did succeed somewhat in diverting attention from Geenwald's substantive points.
Ann Coulter's high point was about 10 years ago when she was one of the elves working behind the scenes to bring Clinton down. That effort was a brilliant success in my opinion, since there was almost nothing to work with, but they succeeeded in hamstringing Clinton. Nothing she's done since has really amounted to much, but she keeps collecting the $$$. (Why the mainstream media still respects her, despite her several fatal flaws, is a question without a non-paranoid answer).
Posted by John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 2:19 PM
100 -- what, concerned about losing street cred if it gets out that you've been shacking up with Apo?
Posted by Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 2:34 PM
Also on the subject of blogspats, Mickey Kaus is a complete and utter tool.
Posted by strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 3:35 PM
The Andrew Sullivan thing? Because while Kaus is a tool, that was a neatly executed 'you, of all people.'
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 3:37 PM
Is Kaus worth ever reading, at all, even slightly?* The format of his blog--it's that interminable boldface thing at Slate, right?--has kept me away.
*I sometimes enjoy reading toolish commentary.
Posted by Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 3:49 PM
Nah, I read this thing because Ezra linked. He's not outrageous enough to be funny, and never close enough to right about anything to be seriously worth reading.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 3:52 PM
Yeah, but it's all in defense of Ann Coulter, who also believes in the Bell Curve and the notion that blacks are genetically dumber than whites. The fact that Kaus is accusing Sullivan of hypocrisy for calling Coulter a bigot because he pumped the same piece of junk science Coulter did, makes Kaus a hypocrite - in addition to being a bigot! THAT'S how much of a tool he is!
Posted by strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 3:55 PM
Ah, I missed the Coulter connection. Good golly Kaus is a tool. But so's Sullivan.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 3:56 PM
105: Not in the least. And lately he's gone from an annoyingly TNR-esque center-right contrarian with a monster grudge against the left to an eager mouthpiece for far-right talking points.
Posted by strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 3:58 PM
108: Sullivan is a tool, but somehow he doesn't get under my skin as much as Kaus does. I don't quite understand why.
Posted by strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 4:00 PM
He's not out there claiming to be a liberal and trying to screw us. It's easier to respect an enemy than a traitor.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 4:02 PM
Ok, that's about what I thought.
And now for the YouTube of what is apparently this summer's number two single in France: "Coup de Boule."
Posted by Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 4:19 PM
Once some douche on Yglesias's TPM blog started hinting that he knew who I was. Kind of amusing considering I'm not anonymous. God I hate these people and their veiled threats. Vox devotes posts to how he outsparred a girl, a girl!, in his martial arts studio. Goldstein once made a point of saying he could bench 300 in a comment. In winger land this is what passes for a badass.
Posted by gswift | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 5:16 PM
Hell, I can bench 300 in a comment. In the gym, not so much.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 5:23 PM
112: Zidane y l'a frappé! Do you have a link to the lyrics? My French is nowhere near good enough to comprehend all of it aurally.
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 5:34 PM
"My French is nowhere near good enough to comprehend all of it aurally."
Oh, the joy of homonyms.
Posted by text | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 5:47 PM
Oh, indeed.
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 5:51 PM
#35 is disingenuous, Apostropher. Would you think highly of angry bloggers who "show up at your door and challenge you to a fight"?
Only a maniac would do that. You seem to be faulting (an uspecified subset of) right-wing bloggers for not being crazy.
Posted by Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 5:52 PM
102: No, no, not at all. It's just that I prefer for each of my online boyfriends to believe that they're the one and only.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 5:55 PM
118: You have to go back to 26 to get what apo is saying. He's not saying that he'd respect them more if they made a different kind of threats, he's insulting them by saying that they're insecure enough to need to make threats and these are the kinds available online.
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 5:55 PM
It's not so much the not showing up to challenge one to a fight as it is equating sitting on the sofa blogging with serving in Iraq or (alternately) being a brave ensign on the Enterprise or the gutiest bard in the tavern.
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 5:56 PM
the gutiest bard in the tavern.
This totally sounds like a homophobic slur. "He's a nice guy and all that, but not exactly the gutsiest bard in the tavern, if you know what I mean."
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 6:05 PM
#121: It's not so much the not showing up to challenge one to a fight as it is equating sitting on the sofa blogging with serving in Iraq or (alternately) being a brave ensign on the Enterprise or the gutiest bard in the tavern.
You're dealing in untrue stereotypes. Even right-wing bloggers who see themselves as playing some sort of role in fighting terrorism don't actually equate that role with the sacrifice and bravery of troops on the front lines.
And they all watch Star Trek, but only when they're not playing Dungeons & Dragons, right? Come on. You left out "eating cheetos in their parents' basement".
Posted by Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 6:06 PM
I love it that a thread that addresses Patterico and Malkin also involves feral pigs and urinary tract diseases in cats. There's a sense of rightness about it.
Incidentally, wild boar is truly delicious. I first tasted it as a young pup almost twenty years ago -- tenderloin of New Zealand boar, with cranberry reduction -- and I still remember that dish.
Posted by jmcq | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 6:18 PM
Wild boar and wild bear are almost the sole vectors for trichinosis any more. Cook until no longer pink.
Store-bought pork can safely be eaten rare or medium-rare.
Just Google the trichinosis statas if you don't believe me.
Posted by John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 6:24 PM
You're dealing in untrue stereotypes.
Dude, the guy who started the 101st Fighting Keyboardists calls himself Capt. Ed after his Star Trek passion. The guys who joined talked of laying their swords at his feet. Vox Day seems to be on this 'i have pwned everybody with my ninja skills kick'.
I would have been making stuff up if I'd mentioned the Cheetos, but really, there was no need to.
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 6:33 PM
125: Yeah, but if you cook it that much, then it sucks. What a buzzkill.
Posted by jmcq | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 6:36 PM
Here, you find a Freeper who was looking forward to protesting at the New York Times building -- this was a month ago -- saying this to someone who thought it was a waste of time:
But those who sit at a keyboard and denigrate what we do are saying they want to spend the war shoveling horse crap in Louisiana, and are due the equivalent respect.
So, four words for you:
Romeo
Echo
Mike
Foxtrot
[REMF == Rear Echelon M----F-----]
So, yeah, some of them really think there's in some kind of army.
Posted by DonBoy | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 6:51 PM
Well come on, he wasn't just blogging -- he was going to march! In the streets! Probably carry a sign and chant! I could totally see comparing him to a soldier on the front lines.
Posted by Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 7:01 PM
It is the New York Times. That means he could be shot by a terrorist (since they all live in New York what with the exploding bombs and falling buildings.)
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 7:05 PM
This totally sounds like a homophobic slur. "He's a nice guy and all that, but not exactly the gutsiest bard in the tavern, if you know what I mean."
Disagree. It sounds like a homosexual slur--what a gay guy might say about a former lover who didn't quite make the mark.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 7:05 PM
Oh, good lord, I wasn't insulting gay people, just fighting keyboardists.
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 7:09 PM
Admit it Cala, in your secret heart of hearts you had it in for the gays. Homophobe.
Posted by Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 7:12 PM
No, no, no. She has it in for shitty gay lovers. She's looking out for gay people.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 7:14 PM
People, people. We're ignoring the big issue.
Goldstein once made a point of saying he could bench 300 in a comment.
Is this true? He always looks so thin in pictures. Fuck, if this is true I have to reconstruct my worldview from the ground up.
Posted by FL | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 7:30 PM
I often wonder just what it would be like to walk up to some of the more vitriolic bloggers and say "you called me an asshole online. Let's settle this." Just to see the expression. I should stop wondering about this.
Posted by FL | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 7:33 PM
If you do it, be sure to pick one much shorter than you. That shouldn't be too big of a problem.
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 7:36 PM
Go FL! Rape their fæces! (Cowers)
Posted by Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 7:38 PM
Labs, you're such an asshole.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 7:40 PM
...of course, I would confront this vitriolic blogger with a bottle of vodka and a shaker.
Posted by FL | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 7:48 PM
#126: Based on the design of his blog, I always figured "Captain" was a reference to his apparent interest in ocean-going ships, not spaceships.
Posted by Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 7:49 PM
141: In my naivete, I thought he had actually been a captain in some official capacity (navy, merchant marine, cruise line, pirate ship, etc.)
Posted by strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 7:52 PM
Looks to me like Goldstein could bench 300 pounds with his mind.
Are there other pictures?
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 7:54 PM
It would be much cooler if he were a pirate, but his bio suggests that is not the case.
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 7:55 PM
Ogged, did you see the bodybuilder thumbnail on the google image search? Sadly, the page is no longer available, but it would have made a funny joke.
Posted by FL | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 8:00 PM
I have always thought of him as being the proprietor of Captain Stabbin'.
Posted by Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 8:00 PM
All this talk of the captain's life makes me yearn for the sea.
Wikipedia says there's good money in piracy still.
Posted by strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 8:02 PM
You can't diss Captain Ed, he blogrolls us. You people are really insufficiently tribal, you know that?
Seriously, the one time The Captain commented here, we disagreed, but he was perfectly reasonable.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 8:03 PM
148: When mcmanus finally snaps and goes on his killing spree, it will be because of people like you.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 8:14 PM
From Captain Ed's about:
But, I believe y'all are correct to say that he hasn't taken part in the outing fest. OTOH, he's not the only once prominent warblogger with a Star Trek obsession.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 8:22 PM
Oh, I didn't mean to imply he was behind an outing thing; just explaining the chest-beating EAT MEAT phenomenon. He's a goofball, but usually pretty civil.
ogged, but we diss Instapundit and you blogroll him. Is that not weird?
Posted by Cala | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 8:28 PM
We have *such* a weird relationship with Instapundit.
Posted by FL | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 8:38 PM
Indeed. I googled ""jeff goldstein" "bench press"" and the third hit was Insty linking to Unfogged, back in the day. Kismet.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 8:54 PM
Kismet, NY?
Posted by Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 8:57 PM
For the French speakers, "Coup de Boule":
Attention c'est la dance du coup de boule (coup de boule coup de boule)
coup de boule a droit (coup de boule coup de boule)
coup de boule a gauche (coup de boule coup de boule)
Allez les bleus allez
Zidane il a frappe, Zidane il a tape (coup de boule)
4 x
l italia sta mal
Zidane il a frappe
L'italien ne va pas bien
Zidane il a tape
l'arbitre l'a vu a la tele
Zidane il a frappe
Mais la coupe on l'a rate, on a meme bien rigole
Zidane il a frappe, Zidane il a tape (coup de boule)
4 x
Trezeguet n'a pas joue
quand il n'a joue, il a rate
il a tout fait capote
la coupe on l'a rate
Barthez n'a rien arrete
c'est pourtant pas complique
les sponsors sont tous faches
mais Chirac a bien parle
Zidane il a frappe, Zidane il a tape (coup de boule)
4 x
Attention, c'est la dance du coup de boule (coup de boule coup de boule)
coup de boule a droit (coup de boule coup de boule)
coup de boule a gauche (coup de boule coup de boule)
et maintenant un penalty, attention il va tirer
un, deux, trois
c'est rate!
Zidane il a frappe, Zidane il a tape (coup de boule)
4 x
On a quand meme bien rigole, Zidane et Trezeguet
La coupe on l'a rate, Zidane et Trezequet
On a quand meme bien rigole, Zidane et Trezeguet
La coupe on l'a rate, Zidane et Trezequet
et Trezequet et Trezequet et Trezequet
Posted by mcmc | Link to this comment | 08- 3-06 9:13 PM
Looks to me like Goldstein could bench 300 pounds with his mind.
Are there other pictures?
I've never seen anything but a head pic either. 300 really isn't that much unless you're only weighing in at 140 or 150 and are putting up twice your body weight or something.
Posted by gswift | Link to this comment | 08- 4-06 9:35 AM
122 was a joke (that was obvious, right?).
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 4-06 9:41 AM
146: Should I be embarrassed that I got this joke without having to look it up?
Posted by apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 5-06 7:29 PM