See, I thought Spacey kind of sucked in it. Or, at a minimum, the whole time I was watching it I was thinking "Huh. Didn't Kevin Spacey used to be a good actor?"
I second 27, but wouldn't Angelina Jolie be a bigger name? Or do bi girls not count once their heteronormative marriages are splashed across every tabloid in the world?
Rupert Everett said he wanted to write and star in a gay James Bond movie. I figure this would be very much gay camp, since the old James Bond is essentially hetrosexual camp.
16: Every time I hear a discussion of whether an 18th or 19th century was gay, I always hear people saying "Oh that wasn't considered gay back then. It was perfectly normal." It was normal for men to sleep in the same bed, or for a woman to make out with her sister, or for a man to write a letter praising another man's thighs. From all of this I have reached the conclusion that everyone before 1900 was gay.
See, I thought Spacey kind of sucked in it. Or, at a minimum, the whole time I was watching it I was thinking "Huh. Didn't Kevin Spacey used to be a good actor?"
I thought Spacey did all right with what he had, it just that I don't think there was much to work with. Kind of like suckitude of the last three Star Wars movies,.not really the fault of the actors.
So would the characters be gay, straight, a mix or the issue not be addressed? Is the point just that the actors are gay, or that it's an action flick in which the characters are gay (but is otherwise like any action flick only better)?
I was just thinking "hey, why aren't there any movies with hot gay makeout action?" And then I remembered "fuck, I need to watch Brokeback Mountain." Is that out on DVD yet? And why don't I own a DVD player?
Obvious flirting (indicating that the characters are gay)? Or more subtle stuff that could be interpreted as "male bonding" or whatever (with the subtext supplied by the fact that we know the actors are gay)? Or what?
Hot gay makeout action can be found in Pedro Almodovar's "Bad Education", if you don't mind all the characters speaking some crazy moon-man language instead of English.
I do that occasionally, but since I'm a stickler about sound, and my speakers are at my desk, my options are 1) watch movie with earphones (not fun) or 2) sit at my desk and watch movie (doesn't much feel like relaxing).
I hear George Clooney is. Often. (As in, hear it often. Whether he gets it often is another question but I'm sure he does. He's GEORGE CLOONEY!) That said, I've never gotten close to a gay vibe from him, and I like to think my gaydar's pretty good.
Second the Vin Diesel rumor, but never got any confirmation. Ditto that Tom Cruise is actually straight (y'all can have him in your camp - we're taking Jodie and Portia). Oh, and Cynthia Nixon, if you're tallying up that gal pals. Note that Sarah Paulson, soon of Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip is too - her GF is Tony-winner (and delightfully named) Cherry Jones.
BTW, can I just share this with you, because I kind of can't be alone with it? From Boing Boing - a German book on reproduction.
Considering that half the guys here have at some point confessed to man-crushes on Clooney, if he turns out to be gay, lots of worlds are going to be rocked, in ways good and bad. But I don't see it at all either. Ditto Cruise.
And Jodie Foster pretty much wins the "which gender has to coolest gay actors?" contest for the women, though if we have Spacey, that's some consolation. And although I haven't heard any rumors about him, if we can score Samuel L. Jackson, I think the guys win forever.
I read an interview with him where was pretty serious about the Bond thing. He reckoned he'd make a good Bond -- in the sense of a gay actor playing Bond rather than an actor playing *gay* Bond.
'course, with Daniel Craig it looks like the producers are consciously toning down the camp angle.
Rupert Everett would make a great Bond. I still haven't quite got over the prospect of a blond Bond really, although Daniel Craig seems to be a fine actor. He's also kissed (at least) two men - Rhys Ifans in Enduring Love and Toby Jones in Infamous, so maybe they could put more of that into the next Bond film ...
Oh, and probably Derek Jacobi (as Francis Bacon) in Love is the Devil as well. So he clearly doesn't mind it - wouldn't it be useful for Bond to be able to seduce anyone and everyone in the line of duty?
Someone or other --Edward Norton?--says that he tries not to share any of his private life with the public, because he thinks it bleeds into its sense of him, and limits what the public will find him credible playing. Thinking about Everrett as Bond, I'm not sure I could enjoy him playing a womanizer, because I'm not sure I'd find him credible (in whatever sense that word has meaning in relation to Bond movies) as a womanizer. (Also, too urbane--Roger Moore sucked for just this reason.)
I think I just got why actors stay in the closet, even in the absence of overt homophobia. And ogged's gay action movie turns out to be a bad idea.
63: I hadn't seen that at ben's place, so let me just say that (with the possible exception of the fact that the German father's hair and beard seem to be made of Concord grapes) the baby's wide open arms ("whee!") has he/she exits the mother is the funniest thing I've seen in a while.
I love Everett, who I did not know was gay. He certainly would have recalled more the Moore line of Bonds than the Connery line, but remember: Ian Fleming wanted to cast David Niven and thought Connery too thuggish (until the receipts started coming in).
There was a song that I heard on the Georgia State (88.5 finest in the Atlanta metro area) radio station in the summer of '04 by Of Montreal that was catchy and mentioned something about a stairway or stairwell. What was it called, please?
Now that I think about it, X-Men 2 comes closest of any film I know, with Ian McKellen (whose name I have undoubtedly misspelled) and the guy who plays Nightcrawler (whose name I have misplaced).
But I don't know that McShane (who looks like a tough guy) or Sutherland definitively aren't tough guys. I don't think it would be that hard to buy a well-known bisexual as a womanizer, but someone who was very publically only known as interested in men would be tougher.
Don't know, though. I could believe McKellan in a lot of roles. So maybe I'm wrong about this.
I think it would be very easy to believe Rupert as a womanizer. That sort of overcompensation is part and parcel of the classic closet case.
I'm not really sure, though, that a standard action movie with an all-out-gay cast would work its magic in precisely the way you hope. We (meaning the queer folks) would flock to it - there would be cat-fights in line to get tickets and we would titter like tipsy aunts throughout its run. The breeders whose perceptions you'd want to change wouldn't take this as a lesson that hey, they've already been enjoying this. Instead they would chalk it up to the corrupt and deceitful influence of librul Hollywood, and take their dollars to... I don't know, whatever, Tom Cruise if he's really not gay as a plaid rabbit.
That's not to say it shouldn't be done. I think it would rule. I'd be one of the ones cat-fighting for tickets.
Relatedly, I'm not sure I can give Jodie Foster the crown for Coolest Queer Gender. Panic Room? Puh-leze.
You should know, much as I would like to have answered your question correctly, if you tell me that I'm right and you think that song is catchy, I'll have to ban you.
(Although McManly, I'm sorry, but lesbians are way cooler than fags. You really just need to accept this.)
Laughable and wrong. The definitive "cool" minority was long African-American, and if you try to match up the cultural influence of each group, gay men are much closer than lesbians, who are also-rans.
I would be willing to say that the coolest minority is whichever one is the least to blame for the current state of 21st century culture; in which case lesbians are doing OK, but the Yanomamo win hands down.
Maclean's magazine attributes the influence of gay style to the mainstream popularization of such phenomena as "Sunday brunch, wicker, Perrier, sandblasted townhouses and reconverted warehouses, and earrings [for men]." The marketing departments of clothing industries such as Levi Strauss kept close tabs on the gay community for upcoming trends, citing the original button-fly jeans, painter's pants, and running shoes as examples of successful gay-to-straight crossover products in the fashion industry.
96: They can't mean the original button-fly jeans - those were first made in the 1870s. Somehow, I doubt that the fashion industry was paying attention. And Oscar Wilde would never have approved of anything so plebian. [Remember, he toured the US & Canada to teach the barbarians aesthetics.]
I, for one, miss the day when wearing bluejeans was a transgressive act that upset one's great aunt. [If you had known my Great Aunt Gudrun, you'd have wanted to upset her, too.] I do wish that jeans would go out of favour in the gay community, so that the Kid would cease spending a couple of hundred dollars a pair.
92 - Those guys responsible for Napoleon Chagnon and a whole school of half-assed debates about the societal advantages of acting like a frat boy. Lesbians are responsible for my occasionally getting the refrain of "Closer to Fine" stuck in my head. The noble Ainu people of Japan are responsible for approximately nothing, and are therefore by your standards the coolest societal group on earth except possibly for Jumble enthusiasts.
Cool. Joged Sama-Sama must mean something like "Look at my butt!"
re 108: I especially like the way the moment-for-obligatory-clever-remarks by hero and heroine seems to be filled by placeholders: "See ya later, villain!" "Yeah, see ya!"
No, but don't you get it, "see ya later" is clever, as it's punning on the fact that the villian [spoiler alert!] improbably lost both his eyes to impalement in the course of the fight.
Vin Diesel, I hear.
Posted by text | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 4:08 PM
Right, me too, and that would be awesome, but I'm not sure, so I left him out.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 4:10 PM
I actually just made that up. But it wouldn't surprise me if virtually all action stars are gay.
Posted by text | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 4:11 PM
I hear
That's a real low threshold.
OTOH: I'm not sure, so I left him out
You're sure of those other ones? How do you calculate sure?
Posted by slolernr | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 4:12 PM
Can I work on the screenplay? I know what tone you're after.
Posted by text | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 4:12 PM
This, for example, makes me feel sure about Travolta, and I say that as someone who's regularly kissing male relatives in public.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 4:17 PM
I'm not actually funding the project text, but I think you should go ahead and write the screenplay on spec.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 4:21 PM
Plus, slol, I trust my man the WWTDD guy. (I don't actually know him.)
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 4:22 PM
For myself, I never heard of him until you mentioned him.
Posted by slolernr | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 4:23 PM
You just want to watch William Donahue's head explode, don't you? Gods what I wouldn't give for a link to that scene from Scanners.
Posted by Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 5:15 PM
You owe me.
Posted by slolernr | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 5:19 PM
How come Whitney and Cruise are both at three and there's no four?
Posted by double-plus-ungood | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 5:23 PM
11: My hero!
Posted by Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 5:25 PM
Jodie Foster too, supposedly.
Posted by Matt F | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 5:27 PM
I thought she was out, no supposedly about it. Am I wrong?
Posted by LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 5:33 PM
She doesn't answer questions about it, but yeah.
I didn't mean for this to become the "who is, who isn't" thread. Abraham Lincoln! I do think such a movie would be pretty cool.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 5:35 PM
We need another woman, so that the woman I identify with (and that's just not gonna be Whitney) gets some nookie.
Posted by Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 5:40 PM
Portia de Rossy.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 5:41 PM
if Spacey is the villian, it'll at least be good
Umm...did you see Superman?
Posted by Becks | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 5:44 PM
Umm...did you see Superman?
I did. In fact, that's what I was thinking of: boy that movie would have sucked without Spacey.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 5:47 PM
I believe practically everything I read on Unfogged, but this business about Tom Cruise? No way.
Posted by Sam Heldman | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 5:48 PM
See, I thought Spacey kind of sucked in it. Or, at a minimum, the whole time I was watching it I was thinking "Huh. Didn't Kevin Spacey used to be a good actor?"
Posted by Becks | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 5:50 PM
this business about Tom Cruise? No way
I dunno; somewhere on this site I know I said that I don't get a gay vibe from Cruise, and someone agreed with me, so there are two votes.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 5:52 PM
22: I'm starting to think that was a misimpression.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 5:52 PM
Honestly, Becks, I can barely remember the movie, so you might have a point. But it's Kevin Spacey, dammit.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 5:53 PM
18.--She'll do! And since Arrested Development is now over (right? weren't fans caterwauling about that?) she'll need the work!
Posted by Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 5:55 PM
Portia de Rossi is hot; I've had a crush on her for years, and yes, AD is, sadly, over.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 5:56 PM
I second 27, but wouldn't Angelina Jolie be a bigger name? Or do bi girls not count once their heteronormative marriages are splashed across every tabloid in the world?
Posted by Steve | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 6:25 PM
Oh sweet Jeebus. If it Jolie, even I might see it.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 6:27 PM
27, 28 - I 3rd that (even though we're not supposed to say that anymore, right?)
Posted by TD | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 6:31 PM
27: See Sirens, then.
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 6:35 PM
I've had a crush on her since Sirens.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 6:39 PM
Rupert Everett said he wanted to write and star in a gay James Bond movie. I figure this would be very much gay camp, since the old James Bond is essentially hetrosexual camp.
Posted by rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 8:10 PM
16: Every time I hear a discussion of whether an 18th or 19th century was gay, I always hear people saying "Oh that wasn't considered gay back then. It was perfectly normal." It was normal for men to sleep in the same bed, or for a woman to make out with her sister, or for a man to write a letter praising another man's thighs. From all of this I have reached the conclusion that everyone before 1900 was gay.
Posted by rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 8:18 PM
Also, everyone in Hollywood is a gay midget with a disproportionately large head.
Posted by rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 8:19 PM
300
This has been delayed so long I have almost lost hope. I know it is a Frank Miller thing, but Spartans, ya know.
I am thinking. Gay action flick. I keep thinking I have seen an asian flick or two with gay protagonists.
Posted by bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 8:24 PM
36: Why don't people name their daughters Gorgo anymore?
Posted by Chopper | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 8:55 PM
"From all of this I have reached the conclusion that everyone before 1900 was gay."
Not to mention the bears.
(who were all flaming)
(because they had sex with George Washington)
(IYKWIM)
(AITYD)
Posted by text | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 9:16 PM
See, I thought Spacey kind of sucked in it. Or, at a minimum, the whole time I was watching it I was thinking "Huh. Didn't Kevin Spacey used to be a good actor?"
I thought Spacey did all right with what he had, it just that I don't think there was much to work with. Kind of like suckitude of the last three Star Wars movies,.not really the fault of the actors.
Posted by gswift | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 9:51 PM
36: Do not get me started on "300." Only Frank Miller could make the Spartans homophobic.
Posted by strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:07 PM
I agree with every assessment on Ogged's list except for #5.
Posted by Sommer | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:12 PM
So would the characters be gay, straight, a mix or the issue not be addressed? Is the point just that the actors are gay, or that it's an action flick in which the characters are gay (but is otherwise like any action flick only better)?
Posted by flippantangel | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:13 PM
41: Pathetic attempt at wish fulfillment. He likes us.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:18 PM
I was thinking the issue wouldn't be addressed, flip.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:22 PM
So this would be one of those all-'splosions-no-kissing action movies? I guess that would work.
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:25 PM
There could be lots of flirting.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:27 PM
I was just thinking "hey, why aren't there any movies with hot gay makeout action?" And then I remembered "fuck, I need to watch Brokeback Mountain." Is that out on DVD yet? And why don't I own a DVD player?
Posted by m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:29 PM
There's very little makeout action in Brokeback. But it's very good and is out on DVD.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:33 PM
Obvious flirting (indicating that the characters are gay)? Or more subtle stuff that could be interpreted as "male bonding" or whatever (with the subtext supplied by the fact that we know the actors are gay)? Or what?
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:34 PM
There may not be much difference between the alternatives in 49.
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:37 PM
Subtle! The whole point is that much of the cast is gay, but the movie is no different from any other (one hopes, awesome) action movie.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:37 PM
Hot gay makeout action can be found in Pedro Almodovar's "Bad Education", if you don't mind all the characters speaking some crazy moon-man language instead of English.
Posted by Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:37 PM
Subtle! The whole point is that much of the cast is gay, but the movie is no different from any other (one hopes, awesome) action movie.
We already have that movie. Or did you miss Top Gun, Shi'a?
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:39 PM
By the way, let me just express how happy I am to see flippantangel commenting here.
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:40 PM
Out gay actors, Timbot.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:41 PM
I don't think the homosexual subtext in Top Gun counts as subtle, Tim.
("I want some butts!")
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:41 PM
47: You could do what I do and watch DVDs on your computer. Not optimal, but still.
Posted by dagger aleph | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:43 PM
I do that occasionally, but since I'm a stickler about sound, and my speakers are at my desk, my options are 1) watch movie with earphones (not fun) or 2) sit at my desk and watch movie (doesn't much feel like relaxing).
Posted by m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:45 PM
57: Glad to see you haven't deserted us entirely.
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:48 PM
55: If you don't think they were about as far out as can be in Top Gun, you really need to watch it again.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 10:53 PM
47: You want to watch Velvet Goldmine.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 11:20 PM
And apparently My Beautiful Laundrette as well. I'm assuming you should ignore apo about Dude, Where's My Car?
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 08-31-06 11:24 PM
I hear George Clooney is. Often. (As in, hear it often. Whether he gets it often is another question but I'm sure he does. He's GEORGE CLOONEY!) That said, I've never gotten close to a gay vibe from him, and I like to think my gaydar's pretty good.
Second the Vin Diesel rumor, but never got any confirmation. Ditto that Tom Cruise is actually straight (y'all can have him in your camp - we're taking Jodie and Portia). Oh, and Cynthia Nixon, if you're tallying up that gal pals. Note that Sarah Paulson, soon of Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip is too - her GF is Tony-winner (and delightfully named) Cherry Jones.
BTW, can I just share this with you, because I kind of can't be alone with it? From Boing Boing - a German book on reproduction.
Posted by moira | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 1:05 AM
Boing Boing is, as ever, behind the times.
Posted by ben wolfson | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 2:10 AM
Considering that half the guys here have at some point confessed to man-crushes on Clooney, if he turns out to be gay, lots of worlds are going to be rocked, in ways good and bad. But I don't see it at all either. Ditto Cruise.
And Jodie Foster pretty much wins the "which gender has to coolest gay actors?" contest for the women, though if we have Spacey, that's some consolation. And although I haven't heard any rumors about him, if we can score Samuel L. Jackson, I think the guys win forever.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 2:25 AM
re: Rupert Everett and the 'gay Bond' thing.
I read an interview with him where was pretty serious about the Bond thing. He reckoned he'd make a good Bond -- in the sense of a gay actor playing Bond rather than an actor playing *gay* Bond.
'course, with Daniel Craig it looks like the producers are consciously toning down the camp angle.
Posted by nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 6:25 AM
Rupert Everett would make a great Bond. I still haven't quite got over the prospect of a blond Bond really, although Daniel Craig seems to be a fine actor. He's also kissed (at least) two men - Rhys Ifans in Enduring Love and Toby Jones in Infamous, so maybe they could put more of that into the next Bond film ...
Posted by asilon | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 7:00 AM
Oh, and probably Derek Jacobi (as Francis Bacon) in Love is the Devil as well. So he clearly doesn't mind it - wouldn't it be useful for Bond to be able to seduce anyone and everyone in the line of duty?
Posted by Oh, and | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 7:08 AM
Lol, didn't notice that! Only me.
Posted by asilon | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 7:10 AM
Someone or other --Edward Norton?--says that he tries not to share any of his private life with the public, because he thinks it bleeds into its sense of him, and limits what the public will find him credible playing. Thinking about Everrett as Bond, I'm not sure I could enjoy him playing a womanizer, because I'm not sure I'd find him credible (in whatever sense that word has meaning in relation to Bond movies) as a womanizer. (Also, too urbane--Roger Moore sucked for just this reason.)
I think I just got why actors stay in the closet, even in the absence of overt homophobia. And ogged's gay action movie turns out to be a bad idea.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 7:50 AM
63: I hadn't seen that at ben's place, so let me just say that (with the possible exception of the fact that the German father's hair and beard seem to be made of Concord grapes) the baby's wide open arms ("whee!") has he/she exits the mother is the funniest thing I've seen in a while.
Posted by mrh | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 7:52 AM
I love Everett, who I did not know was gay. He certainly would have recalled more the Moore line of Bonds than the Connery line, but remember: Ian Fleming wanted to cast David Niven and thought Connery too thuggish (until the receipts started coming in).
Posted by Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 7:56 AM
The real problem with Niven is that decency shone from his face; not a credible Bond.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 7:59 AM
re: 72
How could you not know Rupert Everett was gay?
Niven would have been OK as Bond.* Of course he was -- urbanity, aside -- an actual bad-ass Commando in WWII so entirely au fait with killing people.
* Of course he actually was Bond, in 'Casino Royale' but that's not really in the tradition of the rest of the Bond canon.
Posted by nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 8:15 AM
72: I boggled a bit at that, too.
Anyway, I hope you've got a part in your gay action flick for Sir Ian. I hope I'm that hot at 60+. (I wish I were half that hot now.)
Posted by Paul | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 9:05 AM
There was a song that I heard on the Georgia State (88.5 finest in the Atlanta metro area) radio station in the summer of '04 by Of Montreal that was catchy and mentioned something about a stairway or stairwell. What was it called, please?
Posted by Jonathan | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 9:09 AM
How could you not know Rupert Everett was gay?
I wasn't paying enough attention? He played the only straight member of the Cambridge spy network in that BBC miniseries? I'm a dork?
Posted by Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 9:31 AM
Now that I think about it, X-Men 2 comes closest of any film I know, with Ian McKellen (whose name I have undoubtedly misspelled) and the guy who plays Nightcrawler (whose name I have misplaced).
Posted by Sam Heldman | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 9:36 AM
70:Doesn't bother me that much. Kiefer Sutherland is not a tough guy, nor is Ian McShane.
76:"Spiral Staircase" by Ralph McTell? Just messing wid ya.
Posted by bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 9:40 AM
re: 78
Alan Cumming. Although he isn't strictly gay -- since he was, at one time, married and is out as 'bi'.
Posted by nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 9:58 AM
But I don't know that McShane (who looks like a tough guy) or Sutherland definitively aren't tough guys. I don't think it would be that hard to buy a well-known bisexual as a womanizer, but someone who was very publically only known as interested in men would be tougher.
Don't know, though. I could believe McKellan in a lot of roles. So maybe I'm wrong about this.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 10:14 AM
I think it would be very easy to believe Rupert as a womanizer. That sort of overcompensation is part and parcel of the classic closet case.
I'm not really sure, though, that a standard action movie with an all-out-gay cast would work its magic in precisely the way you hope. We (meaning the queer folks) would flock to it - there would be cat-fights in line to get tickets and we would titter like tipsy aunts throughout its run. The breeders whose perceptions you'd want to change wouldn't take this as a lesson that hey, they've already been enjoying this. Instead they would chalk it up to the corrupt and deceitful influence of librul Hollywood, and take their dollars to... I don't know, whatever, Tom Cruise if he's really not gay as a plaid rabbit.
That's not to say it shouldn't be done. I think it would rule. I'd be one of the ones cat-fighting for tickets.
Relatedly, I'm not sure I can give Jodie Foster the crown for Coolest Queer Gender. Panic Room? Puh-leze.
Posted by Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 10:35 AM
After Arnold Schwarzenegger play an expert in languages in True Lies, I think we can suspend disbelief about anything.
Posted by Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 10:38 AM
Jonathan, was it Good Morning Mr. Edminton?
You should know, much as I would like to have answered your question correctly, if you tell me that I'm right and you think that song is catchy, I'll have to ban you.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 11:23 AM
It was "Climb the Ladder," which I mistook for a staircase I suppose.
Posted by Jonathan | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 11:32 AM
Grrr.
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 11:34 AM
Plus, Jodie Foster defended Mel Gibson recently, remember? So disappointing.
(Although McManly, I'm sorry, but lesbians are way cooler than fags. You really just need to accept this.)
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 11:35 AM
Oh, I don't have any money on one gender or the other overall. I'm just saying Jodie doesn't get to take the crown.
Posted by Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 11:39 AM
(Although McManly, I'm sorry, but lesbians are way cooler than fags. You really just need to accept this.)
Laughable and wrong. The definitive "cool" minority was long African-American, and if you try to match up the cultural influence of each group, gay men are much closer than lesbians, who are also-rans.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 11:44 AM
Cultural influence = cool now? By those standards Wal-Mart is teh coolest.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 11:57 AM
Poor B. I think the move here is to blame The Patriarchy.
Posted by SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 12:04 PM
I would be willing to say that the coolest minority is whichever one is the least to blame for the current state of 21st century culture; in which case lesbians are doing OK, but the Yanomamo win hands down.
Posted by Felix | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 12:06 PM
Only if you don't think violence is a problem. Or that Napoleon Chagnon is a liar.
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 12:13 PM
I thought we were talking about who's coolest, not who's nicest. Are you trying to tell me violence isn't cool?
It's just a shame they don't smoke, too.
Posted by Felix | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 12:16 PM
They don't?
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 12:21 PM
From here:
Plus, of course, disco. What more do you want?Posted by ac | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 12:23 PM
gay as a plaid rabbit
This would become my new favorite phrase, except I just ran across "queerer than a football bat" this week.
Posted by Hamilton Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 12:57 PM
96: They can't mean the original button-fly jeans - those were first made in the 1870s. Somehow, I doubt that the fashion industry was paying attention. And Oscar Wilde would never have approved of anything so plebian. [Remember, he toured the US & Canada to teach the barbarians aesthetics.]
I, for one, miss the day when wearing bluejeans was a transgressive act that upset one's great aunt. [If you had known my Great Aunt Gudrun, you'd have wanted to upset her, too.] I do wish that jeans would go out of favour in the gay community, so that the Kid would cease spending a couple of hundred dollars a pair.
Posted by DominEditrix | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 1:55 PM
92 - Those guys responsible for Napoleon Chagnon and a whole school of half-assed debates about the societal advantages of acting like a frat boy. Lesbians are responsible for my occasionally getting the refrain of "Closer to Fine" stuck in my head. The noble Ainu people of Japan are responsible for approximately nothing, and are therefore by your standards the coolest societal group on earth except possibly for Jumble enthusiasts.
Posted by Steve | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 3:15 PM
Mamba!
Posted by ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 3:31 PM
Mamba?
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 4:19 PM
Mamba.
Posted by standpipe b | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 5:05 PM
Ma Ma Ma Ma Ma Mamba, por ti sere.
Posted by Felix | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 5:08 PM
Inory
Posted by tweedledopey | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 5:16 PM
Wait, there are two recent films about Truman Capote?
Posted by teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 1-06 5:31 PM
Seems like it. Lots of films come in pairs though, don't they?
Posted by asilon | Link to this comment | 09- 2-06 4:17 AM
Wasn't the other also cold blood related, even?
Posted by David Weman | Link to this comment | 09- 2-06 4:20 AM
No action movie fight scene could ever be better than this.
Posted by Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 09- 4-06 12:59 AM
108: Wow.
Posted by mrh | Link to this comment | 09- 4-06 6:02 AM
108: So the guy licking the blood off his knife is the villain?
Posted by mcmc | Link to this comment | 09- 4-06 6:08 AM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure buff Bob Saget is our hero.
Posted by mrh | Link to this comment | 09- 4-06 6:44 AM
Dear god.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 09- 4-06 7:00 AM
Here, this'll wash the gay right out of your hair.
Posted by bitchphd | Link to this comment | 09- 4-06 7:18 AM
Cool. Joged Sama-Sama must mean something like "Look at my butt!"
re 108: I especially like the way the moment-for-obligatory-clever-remarks by hero and heroine seems to be filled by placeholders: "See ya later, villain!" "Yeah, see ya!"
Posted by mcmc | Link to this comment | 09- 4-06 7:59 AM
No, but don't you get it, "see ya later" is clever, as it's punning on the fact that the villian [spoiler alert!] improbably lost both his eyes to impalement in the course of the fight.
Posted by mrh | Link to this comment | 09- 4-06 11:50 AM
Of course, I acknowledge that cleverer remarks could have been made:
"He really took his eye off the ball."
"Yeah, now he's out of sight."
Posted by mrh | Link to this comment | 09- 4-06 11:52 AM
There's a brilliant career writing martial arts movie subtitles just waiting for you, mrh.
Posted by mcmc | Link to this comment | 09- 4-06 3:30 PM