Maybe it's that the frumpiness is so easy to pick out.
You've forgotten what the '90s looked like. No decade that gave us the Hypercolor shirt can escape being "flagrantly clownish".
Has there been a noticeable fashion discontinuity between the 90s and 00s? (Possibly the answer is yes, and I just haven't noticed.) I kind of think that it still is the 90s for fashion purposes -- less with the flannel shirts, but mostly the same.
I've forgotten what the 80s looked like. That is, what were the quintessential looks? Flashdance (off-the-shoulder sweatshirt, leggings)? Garage bands (flannel shirt)?
I do remember the favored female hairstyle, which involved a perm. Even Barbara Streisand did it, somewhat ridiculously. I think that was the 80s, anyway.
Also, you really find the guy's outfit in this photo unobjectionable? Or this guy's? Really?
Shit, my decades are merging. Flannel shirts were the 90s, I guess.
Shoulder pads. Batwing sweaters. Long sweaters, often over leggings, belted.
On working women, impossibly prissy little suits with fussy 'ties' on the blouses.
When did the baggy pants thing start? Mid-to-late 90s? And they've mostly ended now, right (except for goths)?
Lots of brightly colored eyeshadow.
Flannel shirts: 90s.
Western shirts: 00s.
Highwaisted jeans on women -- the kind of thing that gets called "mom jeans" now.
But now it's fourteen years later, and she's right: the 90s are not as ridiculous as the 80s were.
Bless her heart, heebie-geebie still dresses like it was 1995.
8.1: Right. I think of that as the Flashdance look. Indeed I had a number of jackets (suit jackets) with pretty big shoulder pads.
In the internet age, the tastemakers change their styles so quickly that the vast mass of citizenry have given up entirely on following them.
This era will still be distinctive by the trends in hairstyle, though. And that trend is: For men, short, possibly with a short goatee. For women, long, straight, and half blonde and half dark.
This picture will probably be able to be dated just as easily as one where all the participants have perms.
15: I don't have permission to access that document.
Careful, LB. It was determined unanimously last month that "mom jeans" is a monstrous slur with no descriptive content.
When did the baggy pants thing start? Mid-to-late 90s?
Skateboard pants/shorts were already trending that way in the early 90s, I think.
Well, just search for photos of a bachelorette party, damn it all, that's what I did.
And I defy anyone to look at this photo and say the people in it don't look ridiculous.
Highwaisted jeans on women
Yeah, the jeans companies were going through some kind of experimentation period. Isn't that when brand-name contrast stitching on the rear pocket became a big deal? Which kind of called for a big-butted pair of jeans, higher-waisted. Brooke Shields's famous Calvin Klein ad (topless) was 80s, I'm thinking. Ooh, and pleated front pockets on (some) jeans?
Then at some point came the super-skinny-ankled jeans, sometimes with a zipper at the ankle so you could get them on over your foot.
What 00s fashion tropes will seem ridiculous in retrospect? I passed a woman wearing a cowl neck shirt on my way into the building this morning. While my immediate reaction was to think that it looked really good on her, upon further reflection I find myself wondering whether fashionistas of the future will think it ridiculous that women once sought out oversized neck holes with extra fabric piled thereon.
I was wearing flannel in the late 70s. When it comes to fashion, I am so far ahead of everyone else, that to those who lack my clarvoyance, I am indistinguishable from someone with no sense of fashion at all.
I had a closet full of baby doll dresses and a drawer full of black tights. C'est ça.
The small percentage of fashionable outfits that doesn't look ridiculous ten years later will at least look dated. If your outfits from ten years ago don't at least look dated, they weren't fashionable. This is usually related to aging: "You kids get your skinny jeans off my lawn."
What 00s fashion tropes will seem ridiculous in retrospect?
Ugg parka "Juicy" clogs.
15: I don't have permission to access that document.
An internet-savvy dude like you, Josh, should be able to recognize the time to copy and paste the URL.
What 00s fashion tropes will seem ridiculous in retrospect?
Super-low-rise jeans, particularly on women.
26: Skinny jeans tucked into boots as well, I suppose. It's awfully disorienting to walk around twon thinking certain women look both hot and ridiculous, I tell you. I don't deal well with cognitive dissonance.
I tend to bracket out the ridiculousness until the offending party has left the room; I admit this creates a situational "soft on fashion crime" problem.
The tapered ankles is distinct late 00s, right? With the flared ankles early 00s? And a low waist for both. I'm just going to stay in the early 00s for the rest of my life.
My own look, meanwhile, might be best described as "Timeless Schlub".
Ugg parka "Juicy" clogs.
And Crocs.
I was wearing flannel in the late 70s.
Me too. And still wearing it today. I don't even *own* a fashion sense.
What are the 00s fashion tropes? I guess screen-printed shirts with the prints kind of tattoo-like, looking like a woodcut or stamped image, eg or hoodies covered with skulls? I guess exposed thongs and super-low jeans, I'll miss that one myself.
What about 00s fashion tropes for middle-aged adults?
Oh my god, I can't wait for sleeve tattoos to be way out of fashion. Not that they irritate me, but I'm infinitely entertained by someone being stuck with a multicolored arm, when it becomes so passe. It will be like if you were stuck with your Vanilla Ice hair stripes for all eternity.
I slipped through the '90s goatee-free, unlike most of my friends.
Those thigh-high boots are not a look of the present day that seems likely to be fondly remembered.
In other news, someone should tell the teenaged girls of Manhattan that raccoons are animals, not eye-makeup success stories.
Peep and Apo were country, when country wasn't cool.
36: I thought all those people were in the yakuza and just lamer than Takeshi Kitano movies had led me to expect.
28 gets it right. Also midriff-baring tops. Whatever decade those were. Possibly also sweatpants with lettering across the ass. However, those things are favored mostly by the young, and I'm not sure whether 30-somethings were wearing them in the first place.
Also flip-flops (often with decorative spanglies on 'em). I spent 2 hours stuck in an airport a couple of years ago during which I was sitting on the floor against a wall along with a lot of other people, just watching feet go by. Good grief, is there an original thought among us? I hate to be so uncharitable though.
18: So I've spent close to half of my young life wanting to pants half the young men I see?
33: Oh, I will be so happy when Crocs are gone.
40: Even moreso in L.A. when the temps go into three digits. Totally silly, and why the 19th amendment will probably be repealed.
40: I live near an Uggs store. It is shockingly crowded, especially on weekends.
20: They do? The shirt on the far left is weird, but I'm not sure I'd go as far as "ridiculous", and everyone else looks fine.
It's not clear to me which decade the pictures linked in 6 are supposed to be indicative of. The second one looks like the late 70s or early 80s.
For those of us who can't normally feel our footsies between November and March, Uggs were a god-send. Then they got all fuckin' trendy. Stupid celebrihipsters.
OT:
Reid announces public option (with opt out, but still) will be in the Senate bill. Woohoo, Harry!
48: Indeed. I've considered buying a pair so that I can make it from train to office in January. They look so very warm. Are they as warm as they look?
I an unable to perceive a reason (aside from corruption) that a state would choose to opt out of the public option. What is the reason that Republicans give? Isn't it federally funded?
50: As long as they fit snugly around your foot and leg, they're quite toasty. Whilst at home, I have upgraded to these slippers I got at REI that are essentially sleeping bags you cinch around your leg, but they're not suitable for outdoors.
So as to protect insurers in their state from oppressive gummint competition, and so preserve the benefits of the free market for their citizens. Once the public option has reduced the rest of the country to a steaming heap of rubble, the intact insurers of Alabama and Utah can recolonize the destroyed states.
51: I believe "slippery slope to socialism" is the standard reason. The idea is that the public option would be hard for private insurers to compete with, and hence private insurers would eventually go belly up, and that would be bad because then there would be no "private option", which would mean that the government controls everything, which would mean they finally get to start instituting those death panels.
51: A general philosophical devotion to the free market and a skepticism toward creeping socialism, medical rationing, and government death panels. You can call that "corruption", or just view it as an ideological difference.
Isn't it federally funded?
It's funded by premiums.
the intact insurers of Alabama and Utah
Fuck, that's not funny. Huntsman seemed fairly sane, but Herbert, not so much.
54: I've been researching this and it is even more horrible than that -- under the Obama plan everybody dies.
Have the insurers in the affected states wear these
How "robust" is the proposed public option for those who don't opt-out? Many of the proposals over the last few months were so limited it's hard for me to imagine them doing much at all, good or ill.
I like this:
Sen. Lamar Alexander, a Republican leader from Tennessee, said on the Senate floor Monday, in advance of Reid's announcement, that the opt-out provision isn't to be taken seriously. Medicaid, he noted, has an opt-out provision, but not one state has opted out. Public health insurance, in other words, is too popular for states to opt out.
Just to confirm, that's his explanation for why he opposes it.
59: Those are totally frumpy. Ankle-length things are indicative of modesty.
60: How "robust" is the proposed public option for those who don't opt-out?
This, by the way, is the right question to be asking.
Long sweaters, often over leggings, belted.
They're ba-a-a-a-a-ck.
Ankle-length things are indicative of modesty.
Even when they start at your calf?
I want the public option now! My COBRA insurance runs out on Saturday. After $300,000 of medical bills this year, no sane for-profit insurance company will cover me - despite the fact that I have two new knees and my pelvic break has healed, that the latter was an accident not likely to be replicated and the former will probably outlast the rest of me. Medicare is far too far away.
The Good Book says women need to be modest around men, but now they have to start being modest around their calves as well? Moo.
Wow, I didn't look at the URL. seven adjectives?
53 is illuminating, by the way, thanks.
I an unable to perceive a reason (aside from corruption) that a state would choose to opt out of the public option. What is the reason that Republicans give? Isn't it federally funded?
Pro-monopoly ideology.
62: That is kind of wonderful, isn't it. I love the fact that conservatives recognize that single payer health care is so desirable that if it ever gets passed, the electorate will never never never give it up.
Also flip-flops (often with decorative spanglies on 'em). I spent 2 hours stuck in an airport a couple of years ago during which I was sitting on the floor against a wall along with a lot of other people, just watching feet go by. Good grief, is there an original thought among us? I hate to be so uncharitable though.
Everyone wears flip-flops to the airport because the god-damned security people make you take your god-damned shoes off.
67: Well, the original timeline was to have things kicking in around 2013, but now it seems the congress critters have realized that it would be in their interest to move things up to 2010.
(2010, Christ. Where is my escalator to the moon?)
I couldn't remember what was so awful about the 70s. I began to find the fashions quite nice, and still do. I think the 80s is a uniquely bizarre decade, fashionwise.
The *very late* 60's into the the early 70's were genuinely silly. And in the case of orange leisure suit, genuinely ugly. Then it mostly stopped except for the hair. And then came the early 80's. I think there are particularly bad phases in fashion, and the 80's, perhaps uniquely suffered at least two and maybe three of those.
41: Possibly also sweatpants with lettering across the ass.
Yeah, I'm thinking the whole 'teen crack whore' thing is probably going to be laughed at painfully for years to come.
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['The only real way to make an fashion impression, is to wear something really ugly. And when everyone is trying to make an impression...']
I an unable to perceive a reason (aside from corruption) that a state would choose to opt out of the public option.
I'm pretty sure you and I will get a chance to find out, up close and personal.
That is kind of wonderful, isn't it. I love the fact that conservatives recognize that single payer health care is so desirable that if it ever gets passed, the electorate will never never never give it up.
This recognition goes better with an antidemocratic guiding principle, like "the masses must be dissuaded from voting themselves bread and circuses."
51: I an unable to perceive a reason (aside from corruption) that a state would choose to opt out of the public option. What is the reason that Republicans give?
Well, I have to agree with Hamsher on this - the WH keeps floating ditching the public option over and over, so somebody clearly wants it gone. But the real philosophical reason seems to be that corporations are good, and the richer they are, the gooder they are.
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['Could you describe your philosophy for us, Senator?' 'Money talks!']
Per 62, I would certainly hope that any state voting to opt out of the public option would simultaneously opt out of medicare, for consistency's sake.
(It would be especially nice if, along those same lines, Congress drafted the law so that the opt-out provisions themselves were bundled--i.e., you take them or leave them together. But that's hoping for too much.)
In other news, someone should tell the teenaged girls of Manhattan that raccoons are animals, not eye-makeup success stories.
Youtube begs to differ.
79: Leave my girl alone! She's lovely!
(2010, Christ. Where is my escalator to the moon?)
I got all wrecked on New Years Eve 1999 when I realized that I was neither surrounded by people wearing identical silver lamé jumpsuits nor did I commute by jetpack.
77: OTOH: "And while much work remains, the President is pleased that at the progress that Congress has made. He's also pleased that the Senate has decided to include a public option for health coverage, in this case with an allowance for states to opt out. As he said to Congress and the nation in September, he supports the public option because it has the potential to play an essential role in holding insurance companies accountable through choice and competition."
79: Hmm. And not Manhattan -- but possibly sitting in Ari's classroom right now!
81: Heh. Precisely.
78.1: It's Medicaid, not Medicare, that states can opt out of.
Are these the rage?
http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/skank-boot-evokes-rage
Talking of 80s fashion, I'm watching Rain Man. Blousy!
67: Yeah, I hear you, Dom.
I meant to mention this in connection with togolosh's troubles with his insurance coverage for p.t., but for anyone else for whom it might be relevant as well: if there's any way you can make yourself out to be self-employed, some states -- it differs state by state -- have provisions allowing for what's called "group of one" insurance.
I basically have a group health insurance plan for my business (as an independent contractor), with myself as the only employee. This is in Maryland. I was protected against any screening for pre-existing conditions. State laws change rapidly and furiously about this, alas; but I'm set up with BlueCross's CareFirst, who immediately put me in contact with an insurance broker with whom I talk at the end of every year, and who keeps me informed about any changes I need to be aware of in order to ensure that I don't suddenly become ineligible.
Long story short, it's not utterly ideal; my premiums are $321/month now with a $1500/year deductible, but I'm protected against being dumped for pre-existing conditions, which is exceedingly important, and they've not denied any claim to date, in the last 5 years. It's a pretty good plan, actually.
aid/are, what's the difference? They're both Medics.
72: Everyone wears flip-flops to the airport because the god-damned security people make you take your god-damned shoes off.
For cripe's sake, how hard can it be to take your shoes off? I don't need to see everyone's toenails, painted, all the time. It's just silly.
I was watching the original Charlie's Angles on YouTube the other day. I could not believe how completely not-badass people were in the 70's. They couldn't fight; they were slow and lumbering; they didn't shoot their guns. Thank god the west finally saw some Hong Kong movies and figured out what fighting should be.
90: In addition to being easy to remove while you're being herded through x-ray machines and carrying too much crap because you don't want to pay the checked bag fee, flip-flops, especially for those of us with ridiculously wide feet, can be the height of comfort.
Just don't look down, you'll be ok. (And I can't tell if it makes it better if visible toe nails are not painted. I'm too lazy to paint my toenails.)
I'm too lazy to paint my toenails.
Gasp!
I have learned that one should not wear flip-flops in cities. Too many questionable liquids and substances to walk through.
I always wear flip flops to the airport for this very reason. Or some other type of slip on shoe.
For cripe's sake, how hard can it be to take your shoes off?
But no one likes to hold up the line, and there's no good place to put your bags if you're carrying them until you're at the bins, and then they're shuffling you along and people behind you want their bins. And there's taking out the laptop and the liquids and your jacket and the baby and it is quite a giant pain in the ass.
You're not supposed to pack the baby in your ass.
Is there a requirement that one wears shoes in the airport, or on planes? If not, it might be easiest just to go barefoot. Shoes for the destination could be packed in one's luggage.
I've taken to wearing one of these whenever I fly, just because I love the attention.
98: I recently ran from security to my gate in stocking feet because I thought doing so would help increase my chances of catching my flight. No one demanded I halt and put on shoes, but perhaps I just got lucky.
And heebie has beautiful feet, h8rs.
Was it someone here or in my meaty life who praised Uggs because they were a way to be fashionable without being sexualized?
Considering the long history of misogynistic torture through footwear design, I can appreciate that.
97: Might as well go ahead and put her on the waiting list for the LSAT prep preschool, then.
My own look, meanwhile, might be best described as "Timeless Schlub".
Fashion became a whole lot easier when I started wearing the same stuff all the time. Stan Smiths, going on 30 years. Carhartt work shorts, Birkenstock dress shoes (not at the same time, mind you), about 10. Retro rayon shirts are a recent development in my wardrobe, but I think they're here to stay.
I need to turn my daughters against the very notion of fashion before it's too late, otherwise they'll drive me crazy.
Bring on the public option. We're on COBRA now and at $1300 a month, it's the single largest line item in our monthly budget.
95: I always wear flip flops to the airport for this very reason. Or some other type of slip on shoe.
Easily slipped on and off shoes, exactly. Airport security isn't requiring you to take off your socks.
I really don't get the bias against the flip-flop, parsimon. Do you just think it's distasteful for aesthetic reasons?
Speaking of fashion, Zubaz pants are back! (originally from the late 80s bleeding into the 90s)
107: They look great with your 3 Wolf Moon short-sleeved T-shirt
106: I'm not sure I can explain it in a way that will pass muster.
The 2-hour stint of watching nearly every female pair of feet parade by in decorated flip-flops was annoying: apparently people were imitating one another. I don't like that.
Also, some of the feet really needed tending. Also, I'm not a fan of painted toenails unless the feet are attractive in their own right, and it's worse when the polish is seriously chipped. It's all ditto-head behavior.
I imagine I'm digging myself a hole here, so I'll drop it. Overall, yeah: an aesthetic thing.
109: Oh, no, I was really just curious. I have a friend who hates flip-flops because she thinks they are unhygienic. (She's probably right, but eh.) Thanks for the further explanation.
Airport security isn't requiring you to take off your socks.
I don't wear socks from about March to October. I either wear sandals or flip-flops. But they're hip Vans flip-flops with checkered straps!
because she thinks they are unhygienic. (She's probably right, but eh.)
Oh no, I really don't think this is true. It just sounds paranoid. You don't have any mucus membranes on your feet. Your skin is sturdy.
112: Yeah, I'm not really worried about it. There was something in the NYT recently about it. I don't think it was direct infection via your feet, but instead tracking things, but I really can't remember. (Then again, the only life-threatening infection I've ever had came via my feet. But that was because I avoided shoes - ouch, they hurt - as a child and went barefoot and got a puncture wound I never noticed.)
As of right now, pissing your pants is in!
82: 77: OTOH: [...] As he said to Congress and the nation in September, he supports the public option
Yep. A 'senior white house aide' floats a trial balloon saying they're prepared to ditch the public option. Liberal screaming ensues. WH announces, after a day or a week or a month that, of course, they support the public option. Like, thirty goddamn times so far. Of course, senior white house aides haven't once floated a trial balloon saying, 'well, maybe we should just give up on the insurance companies, and go for single-payer.' Ergo: the WH does not want the PO, presumably because of their insurance buddies.
Therefore, there will be a floor fight over the public option in the Senate and the House when the final bill comes up, and most dangerously of all, they will try and ditch the PO during the House-Senate conference, which is always where the really crooked shit happens. They'll say something to the effect that they can't manage the deficit or the blue dogs are facing tight races, or some such shit. And if we manage to get past that hurdle, then the President will smile real big and say he's proud to have always supported the PO, and take credit for husbanding it through.
{big smile}
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['We're just gonna haveta muddle through managing this idiot.']
115: Too late! Look at heebie's pants, guys!
It really is appalling that we can't have serious debate in this country about health care.
118: Sucker! I'm wearing adult diapers!
121: Dammit! I fall for that one every time.
The 2-hour stint of watching nearly every female pair of feet parade by in decorated flip-flops was annoying: apparently people were imitating one another. I don't like that.
They were doing the default thing, not consciously imitating each other.
121: Bulgy is the new skin-tight.
124: not consciously imitating each other.
My feet like to dress the same. It's hard to tell them apart sometimes!
I'm just surprised that so many people can tolerate flipflops. I don't think of myself as particularly tenderfooted, but I get rubbed painfully raw between the toes if I wear them for an hour. (If I suffer for about two weeks of wearing them constantly, I toughen up, but that's two weeks of serious pain. I did it in the Peace Corps, and then wore only flipflops for two years, but it's not worth the pain to wear them in the US.)
127: It really depends on the pair. The ones with cloth straps wouldn't hurt. I've got a neat checkered pair that I've never mentioned here before.
I've got a neat checkered pair that I've never mentioned here before.
Fashionable and modest!
All that and a pair of adult diapers! I use cloth because I'm responsible.
Then again, the only life-threatening infection I've ever had came via my feet. But that was because I avoided shoes - ouch, they hurt - as a child and went barefoot and got a puncture wound I never noticed.
Heh. UNG had a serious foot infection that landed him in the hospital for a week. But that was because he didn't have the sense to change his damned socks every now and then.
114-116:A fashion trend I can follow!
Have you seen the ads for the new Prisoner?
The big white ball that keeps No # from going anywhere? That's how I view my prostrate.
The only position for a big white ball in SNCC is prostrate.
107
"People who viewed this also viewed: Uranium ore and Tuscan Whole Milk (1 gallon)" What?
Also re Uggs as practical warm things rather than fashon statements, a better version is just a standard midlength boot of normal leather with a shearling lining and GoreTex in between. I've been wearing boots like that since college - waterproof, and very warm. Plus much more durable than that soft suede like stuff.
127: I'm surprised so many people can wear shoes. Nearly every pair does horrendous things to my feet for at least the first month of wearing. And yet! All those people! Wearing shoes!
(This sounds like just a parody but I'm actually being fully serious. I never understand how others can just buy any pair of shoe and not then undergo many painful weeks of breaking the shoes in - or, in my case, breaking my feet in. Stupid wide feet, stupid desire for cute shoes.)
I have found that the break-in period is eliminated when I buy shoes in 2E width instead of D width. But I imagine most cute shoes are not available in multiple widths. My shoes are not particularly cute.
I used to wear flip-flops all the time as a kid. (Actually, we called them Zoris, but I don't think we really distinguished between types.) I've never had a discomfort problem for walking but nearly hurt myself a few times trying to run with them on. Nowadays I mainly wear them when I'm going outside for a short period and don't want to put on shoes (to check the mail, go to a laundry room if I'm somewhere where there is one, etc.).
I've had a wide feet, but narrow heel, problem for as long as I can remember. I usually have to decide between a half-size too large or a wide version that might not be long enough. Fortunately, I buy shoes about once or twice every 4 or 5 years. And for some reason I've had much better luck for dress/work shoes.
re: 85
There's been an intermittent attempt to market them as such, yeah. My wife was selling them a couple of years ago, but they've come back again with a vengeance.
137: this may be a gender thing (you are a guy, right?), but the boots you describe sound very much like what I have been looking for with no success. Alas, it seems the choices tend to be either Uggs or calf hugging boots of supple leather, no lining, and more often than not a 3 inch heel.
139: It's the cost issue; it's really hard to find shoes in wide sizes for women that are not more expensive than I can afford, or the clog/nurse's shoe style of shoes, which I just don't like. There are some cheap wide options at say, Payless, but the rest of the shoe is so poorly constructed that it tends to hurt my feet in other ways. I walk at least a mile or two every day in the course of daily business so they have to be able to stand up to some use. Of course, if anyone knows better than I, I am happy to hear about any solutions!
143: I don't need hugely warm winter boots, but my favorite purchase in recent years has been a pair of Born boots - insanely comfortable, fashionable but low heeled. (The exception to the rule in "all shoes hurt.") You might also try L.L. Bean.
124: They were doing the default thing, not consciously imitating each other.
Now see, that sentence doesn't make sense to me at all.
Well, no need to argue.
Now see, that sentence doesn't make sense to me at all.
Well, no need to argue.
re: 143
I'm assuming that something like quite masculine is being described? But I may be wrong.
I want a pair of these:
http://www.andersonsofdurham.co.uk/popup_image.php?pID=1390
or maybe
http://www.andersonsofdurham.co.uk/popup_image.php?pID=209
Before June I had no pairs of wingtips. Now I have two. You know what I learned? Wingtips are freakin' awesome.
Wingtip boots, now that's a fascinating concept.
I've never had a boot that's been comfortable, but I've only had hiking boots. Back when I was active running and hiking, I switched to lower-top shoes even for serious multi-day backpacking trips. My feet were fine.
I think it's more of a an America/Europe thing plus Uggs displacing the more normal warm winter leather boots. When I needed to replace mine a couple years ago I had a hard time finding the kind I liked in NYC, and the only ones I did see were on the order of $200. I got a pair in Geneva for half that - not cheap but they last many, many years if you resole them and given what they are I'd be a bit suspicious of really low priced ones. In any case, in Europe they do exist for women and look like the standard leather ankle height boots, just thicker, warmer, and waterproof.
re: 149
There are also brogued Chelsea boots:
http://www.solelyshoes.com/acatalog/lowick_2441.htm
I love shoes with dots. Perhaps they have a real name, I don't know. I just know I love shoes with dots. I also love piping. And athletic pants with lines up the sides. None of those things could ever be wrong. Oh, and houndstooth. Love houndstooth.
144.2. Thanks, I'll try that. I was actually looking at a pair of non-boot Borns the other day, but stupid Macy's only had them in two sizes which were not my own...
145. Okay, you do this from time to time and it cracks me up. "I think you are wrong and am compelled to respond so now that I've had the last word, let's not argue."
153: Hopefully not all at the time time.
Borns are not the height of fashion, but some are cute and they are indeed super duper comfortable.
Higher tops on hiking boots are for your ankles, both safety and comfort when going downhill on a steep uneven path or doing the semi-climbing/scrambling stuff that you often get on a high ridge. With low ones your lower leg muscles are going to get very sore. If you want really uncomfortable try the plastic shelled hiking boots that you use(d?) for serious glacier hiking.
152: damn. Now I really need a job.
Also, everybody should have a pair of suede wingtips.
154.2: Oh no -- really, not a last word thing, just a complete mystification thing, and yet, well, yeah, I don't feel like having an argument. You're right, I shouldn't do that. If I'm going to disagree, I guess I have to be up for it.
re: 159
I tried a similar pair (Grenson's, iirc, but they don't make them any more) last year in a sale, decided to leave them as they were a bit flamboyant, changed my mind and came back -- because they were indeed awesome -- and some fucker had bought the last pair.
This year, same shop, every f'cking size except mine.
he didn't have the sense to change his damned socks every now and then
UNG is the Stinky Feet Project guy?
re: 160
My wife's shop does suede brogues in all kinds of exotic colours - red, green, dove grey, etc. I've so far resisted buying some.
Anyway, damn I want some new shoes, and it's too expensive to do it right at the moment.
164: I'm not sure I know what "brogue" means in this context, but I bought some shoes this summer somewhat similar to this (but lighter brown), and boy have they ever made my life better.
157: I know. My ankles, back then, could handle 50-100 (in one case 200) mile trips without them. I'd probably risk getting seriously hurt if I tried it today. Can't remember any lower leg soreness at any time from hiking, though.
Snow equipment is always uncomfortable, in my experience. I never did glacier hiking, so I don't know that particular discomfort.
I have some very nice British shoes that look like what ttaM is posting, except mine are regular shoes with laces. I never wear them because I don't want to ruin them.
re: 166
Brogue just means: has the detailing/punching round the front. I gather from wiki that that's what Americans call 'wingtips'. And yeah, those linked shoes in your 166 are what I'd call suede brogues.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brogues
Which is why I was helpless in the face of these. (Local crafter! She sets up a table in Sac and pulled me in.) It is a wonder that I didn't get the messegner bag. Except that I hate having things hanging from me.
apparently people were imitating one another. I don't like that.
It's all those people wearing clothes that really chafes my hide. All of them! Wearing clothes! Just like each other!
(I wear sandals about nine months out of the year. But I try to practice good podiatric hygiene. And I don't paint my toenails--very often.)
I wouldn't go out dressed like Simon Le Bon, but I still l love the wackiness of '80s fashion. Maybe that's because I grew up on MTV.
170: Thanks. Now I know I have 'brown Oxford full brogues' and can stop saying "my good brown shoes".
169: ah, yeah, same as wingtips.
Would these count as brogues?
Of course for the commute to work:
http://www.dashingtweeds.co.uk/dt/tailoredoutfits/tailored-outfits-sub1/
and for the lady commuter:
http://www.dashingtweeds.co.uk/dt/tailoredoutfits/tailored-outfits-sub5/
re: 175
I'd ahve thought so, but I'm hardly Mr Shoe Expert.
176.1: oh wow, that hurts.
Perfect for one of these, though.
161: observed with a smile -- I have the same tendency.
173: It's all those people wearing clothes that really chafes my hide. All of them! Wearing clothes! Just like each other!
Populuxe. Please. Let us wear uniforms.
I'm likely to get cold on a plane without socks on, so I'll wear a backless clog rather than sandals or flip flops.
Wingtip boots, now that's a fascinating concept.
I saw a doctor wearing dress shoes which were actually boots. They might have been wing tips. I love wing tips!
#180. I hear Mao suits are making a comeback. Brightly colored Mao suits!
Further to 180: Peace to you, P., of course. You know that. I don't object to anybody wearing sandals or flip-flops, obviously not. We've talked about this! I'm not ready to admit any kind of slippery slope from the wearing of clothing at all to the wearing of the same hair-style or same shoes. Allow me something here. I believe that is all.
Borns are not the height of fashion,
Yes, this is true. But I don't think I'm a huge fan of very fashionable shoes, unless we're talking very high-end shoes that I'll never be able to afford. For instance, I must admit that I don't quite get the appeal of Fluevogs.
The ones I saw were black with laces--just like an extended shoe.
For instance, I must admit that I don't quite get the appeal of Fluevogs.
I will amend this to say, that I don't get the appeal of many of the women's Fluevogs. Some are very cute indeed, and I tend to like the men's. But as a whole? Just not quite there. It's clearly a defect, an inbred liking for the most boring of clothing.
189: In the urban crowd, it would seem so? I'm prepared to be hugely wrong.
I assume they're fashionable. (You don't see a lot of them in Sac, which makes me think they're big-city.) I don't have any Fluevogs, but I covet some. They aren't bland; they assert an aesthetic and they don't back down. I hear they're comfortable, too.
117: Ergo: the WH does not want the PO, presumably because of their insurance buddies.
After the Thursday meeting, four sources in different Democratic offices told me that the White House had suggested they believed a strategy of pursuing Sen. Olympia Snowe's preferred compromise--a triggered public option--might be an easier path to 60 votes. In the end, though, Schumer and the rest of leadership seem to have prevailed upon President Obama that they've picked the right strategy.
"I think substantively the White House probably preferred a stronger public option than a trigger," Schumer said. "We talked about this for a while in leadership and the White House wanted to hear our thoughts--and when they heard them they thought that this was the right strategy to get our caucus together."Good on Schumer, Durbin, Burris, Feingold, Sanders, and shockingly enough Reid, et. al.
max
['Stop watching the fucking cable TV news. Or at least stop taking it as a proxy for America. Sheesh.']
aid/are, what's the difference? They're both Medics.
*Head explodes*
194: that's a pre-existing condition right there.
Wait, 193 is offered as proof that 117 was right? Love it.
when people say 'oh, wearing that, won't you be funny looking in the pictures years from now'
and i think, 'how silly are you, to not realize taht looking funny is the whole point'
timeless fashions is deprecated.
floueveloughs are clown shoes though
and 'wingtips' just should mean the extra strip of leather added.
127: lb do you mean those with a rubber thong? i wear ones of leather/nylon, and imagine rubber would chafe a lot more.
I hear they're comfortable, too.
In that way that shoe with very heavy, stiff leather can be comfortable after the two of you (you and the shoe) have had a battle to the death for several weeks. For several years in my early 20s I wore almost exclusively Fluevogs, and lemme tell you, the breaking in period is excruciating.
Agreed, though, that the women's Fluevogs are fugly indeed. What is going on with their heel shape?
My wife loves her some girl Fluevogs. She has deeply, er, comfortable taste in shoes.
193:The whip count is really iffy. They need 60. not 58 or 59. Byrd could get sick, Blanche Lincoln could get scared. Bayh could switch parties.
Putting the public option in the bill to the floor means that if they can't get cloture on a bill with public option, they need 60 votes to take the public option out.
I don't know what happens if the floor vote fails. Try again in a week seems unlikely.
196: Let it go. Seriously, the health care debate has pushed me into a zen-like state. I spend all of my time in my happy place. It's not bad here.
Jesus, bob, what the fuck do you want? You've spent months griping about the public option and then... hey, look! Here it is! Show and prove, guy.
Does your happy place have lots of adorable pygmy bunnies in it? Mine does.
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Hey, bob, since you're here -- I just saw the update in another thread about your dog's health and recovery. My sympathies. It's difficult. Best wishes.
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206: My happy place is currently this one beach between Half Moon Bay and Santa Cruz. It has a river running into the Pacific, which creates this huge, and quite warm, tidal pool approximately a hundred yards back from the high-water line. Oh, and there's an organic berry farm, with attached bakery, about five miles to the south, so you can get some delicious cobbler before going to watch the surf. (Or if you have a seven-year-old boy, wading into the ice-fucking-cold surf for hours at at time, while the cobbler gets mushier and mushier, waiting to be eaten. Wait! Happy place, happy place, happy place. Ahhh, much better.) Anyway, there's totally room for bunnies on the beach. But if they show up, I might worry that an elephant seal would eat them.
Oops, 207 to 205. And here's the happy place.
208: Is that the one that's going to sold to oil drillers?
No, it's the one that's going to be submerged due to rising sea levels. Fortunately, my happy place now exists in my brain, man, so a despoiled environment makes me no never mind. Climate change? Bring it, bitch.
"People who viewed this also viewed: Uranium ore and Tuscan Whole Milk (1 gallon)" What?
Both those items have been linked extensively among the Boing Boing / xkcd set, maybe even here. Uranium because people are amused by the idea of buying uranium from Amazon, Tuscan Whole Milk because there was a frenzy of humorous reviews there.
Ari, did you go there on your pumpkin-picking trip last weekend ?
Also recommended: Montara, just up the road (click !).
211: Ditto the Three Wolf Moon shirt that mcmc referenced in 108.
did you go there on your pumpkin-picking trip last weekend?
Are you following me around or something? Not cool, man, not cool.
203:Nuance, details, language, implementation, consequences. It never ends, you never completely understand.
Ezra is disappointed and worried. Hamsher thinks some formulations could "opt-out" half the country. And we don't know what we ill see at Obama's desk for signature. I could link, but I'm tired and I don't think you really care. I read twenty HRC posts, with comments today.
But I don' think you are following this, you're just trolling me.
What do I want? Affordable health care for all.
I'll settle for less fear, more hope.
Note:I rarely initiate these conversations, I responded to Max, I answered you.
I just watched an early 70s movie about Doc and Wyatt with Stacy Keach and Fate Dunaway. Even the academic works on 70s film don't mention director Frank Perry enough, they all do new interpretations of Coppolla and Scorcese and Joan Micklin Silver. No real depth. Perry and Keach just rocked that era.
I've always wanted to rock a fedora. Or a trilby. But unless everyone's wearing hats like they did in the 40s, you just look like a dick. Specifically Pete Doherty.
re: 216
Yeah, there's either the Docherty option, or the Blake Fielder-Civil option, or the worn-with-duster Dungeons and Dragons collector option.
I know a couple of people who could carry it off, but they are older guys who dress in a generally retro way. They don't look like hipsters.
You know what's briefly hip again? Hammer pants.
216: so true. This is what makes north London unbearable. Whole place is overrun with greasy pallid youths in trilbies. Come friendly bombs, etc.
218: Ideal for hiding your prolapsed this or that.
221 to 220? Is there are epidemic of prolapsed brains in London?
Thanks, Unfogged! My Amazon "More Items to Consider" section is all -- all! -- Three Wolf Moon shirts and Zubaz pants.
Maybe Unfogged has merely helped you discover your inner you.
A prolapsed brain would be falling into the sinuses, I think. Hats would not help.
This is Baltimore North London, gentlemen. Your hats will not save you.
In college in the 1980's, we used to consider male fashions of the 1970's as uniquely atrocious. There was a lot of polyester. The texture on men's polyester suits was scary.
One issue is that of the fashion hangover. How out of style would you look if you wore the clothes of the previous decade in the current decade. The 70s/80s fashion hangover seemed the biggest for men. Civil servants who bought their suits and ties in 1975 looked real bad wearing them in 1985.
T-shirt, cotton shirt, jeans and work boots would probably have worked fine any time since about 1960, I would think. Who needs fashion?
216, 217; This, combined with not wanting to be a crowd-following fool, leaves you perforce doing exactly whatever you're doing already... do you need such a complicated justification?
