Sadly I assumed they were talking about the Pontiac.
1, 2: I asked the same question because of the same confusion. It's in the FA.
Figuring out it was a jet was pretty easy. As for sizzurp, thank you Urban Dictionary!
This video makes me feel... old? stodgy? Something.
Standin' in line...like a wizard...Feelin fly like it's quidditch
I don't see the mystery here. The singers are narrating. No?
I'm not confused by the storyline, pf.
Anyway, in real life most of us don't split real people-with-vaginas-who-we-know into these two categories - except for young women, when thinking about themselves.
This seems so profoundly incorrect that I wonder if I'm misunderstanding it. Maybe I'm not getting which two categories we're talking about.
9 makes me think I'm just not getting the whole concept. Never mind. Carry on.
On an actual computer, I found the FA.
Hell, maybe most people do split vagina-people they know personally up into two groups. I was mostly trying to not be melodramatic with the line quoted in 10.
I don't get what's sexist about playing music behind Nosflow's home video of his trip to LA.
I mean, I don't want to break pseudonymity, but at this point who doesn't know that "Neb Nosflow" is actually a hot 22 year old party chick who drives a red sports car.
I wonder, when do you call the promethazine-codeine concoction "sizzurp" and when do you call it "purple drank"? It would be terribly awkward to be at a social function and use the wrong term.
We're all Coneheads here, right? Trying to make sense of this queer species people so that we can best fit in?
Really, I just needed a way to make puns while not standing in anybody's reach. The rest is just gravy.
This is the kind of thread in which I can't determine what people are talking about unless I watch the video. Isn't it?
Sadly I assumed they were talking about the Pontiac.
I figured it was an even more elite iteration on the G20, G8, etc, and that it was a parody or in the spirit of the Lonely Island's "Like a Boss".
I wonder, when do you call the promethazine-codeine concoction "sizzurp" and when do you call it "purple drank"?
It depends on the part of the country you're in, I think.
I finally got a chance to listen to some of DJ Screw's stuff at the APA and you know what? This is nothing like that. He must be rolling very slowly in his grave.
Also, there's an energy drink, of all things, called Purple Drank. WTF? I ask you.
19: Watch and maybe you can learn how to split vagina-people you know personally up into three groups. Then sit back and watch the money roll in.
19: I watched the video and I still don't know what people are talking about.
This is the kind of thread in which I can't determine what people are talking about unless I watch the video. Isn't it?
Even if that is true, I don't think it's worth watching the video. (but, as essear said, I think that it wouldn't really help).
So far no one in this thread seems to have any idea what I was talking about in the post, so I think you all have numbers on me.
Also I keep reading "split vagina-people" as "split-vagina people" and that sounds kind of horrifying.
23: Dood, I thought Heebie was introducing a feminist thread, because we haven't had one of those for a while. But then no, it turns out be about some band's song.
and that sounds kind of horrifying.
I think when you actually see one it will seem normal. Zing!
We're all Coneheads here, right? Trying to make sense of this queer species people so that we can best fit in?
No no. We outnumber them, so they are the coneheads. Also, we're the ones who actually have jobs and pay for the roof over their heads. As long as they live in our house, they have to live by our rules.
Next time link a B-52s video so I can win at Unfogged bingo.
28: It's a very feminist music video, as far as music videos go.
In the video, a person-woman is singing and a split-vagina non-person woman is going to a club. The message is that people-but-also-women can sing but women-but-not-really-people can go to clubs and that is why SEXISM.
Does that clear things up?
31 is funny.
Seriously,
We're all clear on the idea that in Western culture, masculine things are okay for both men and women, but feminine things are only okay for women, so you quickly get two groups: people and women.
Not really. Not exactly. Masculine things are also not okay for women in a variety of respects, and that's informally policed all the time.
I sort of see what you might mean that we nonetheless have two groups, people and women, and I haven't thought this through carefully, but on the face of it, since you're talking about appearance (hot bods), the idea would be that women have the option to present either as people or as women ... um, while men do not?
Obviously the default gender for a person is male (he, him), still. And I have not watched the video.
Also, I learned that drinking directly from the bottle looks a bit silly when the bottle is 750 ml or larger.
I thought I understood this post until I read this thread. Now I'm not so sure.
Obviously the default gender for a person is male
Biologically speaking, female is default. The male Y chromosome is just an X chromosome that was damaged when some DNA got slithered, but didn't get slithered correctly.
Not really. Not exactly. Masculine things are also not okay for women in a variety of respects, and that's informally policed all the time.
I'm not saying this idea is an absolute perfect description of how things fall out. But it's certainly an idea that's out there. And I think it's loosely true.
So, leaving aside surgically intervention, there are two types of vagina having people (XX, XY - fetal testosterone).
37 is not true for mammals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRY
Also, this
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15103378
Note that sex determination is all over the place in terms of both chromosome complement in males and females (WZ not XY in reptiles), and in basic mechanism (temperature-regulated in many fish, and plastic in some species).
40: I don't think the second guy liked the song much.
40: Excellent! (And I haven't even, you know, watched the, er.)
The point of the OP is to highlight that an actress hired for a purely visual role in a music video seems to have been hired in large part based on her perceived conventional attractiveness? Because I for one find that scandalous. I expect more from the producers of my visual media.
38: I'm not saying this idea is an absolute perfect description of how things fall out. But it's certainly an idea that's out there. And I think it's loosely true.
I'm somewhat familiar with this idea that's out there, but I don't want to put words in your mouth, so you can elaborate if you like.
What I mean by saying that Masculine things are also not okay for women in a variety of respects, and that's informally policed all the time is that, for example, it's dispreferred for women to speak in a strong-minded manner (including in choice of grammatical construction and vocabulary); it's preferred that they hedge, choose lite-fare topics of conversation, present in what's generally considered to be a feminine manner, and preferably dress the part. Whether or not that's accompanied by a hot bod.
I'm at least willing to entertain the notion that the reverse is somewhat true for men, so unless you can say what the people vs. women fallout consists in, I can only cast about vaguely for it.
I'm somewhat familiar with this idea that's out there, but I don't want to put words in your mouth, so you can elaborate if you like.
That is a good illustration of hedged speaking.
Not really.
I've switched gears now, however; apparently some people think Obama's speech in Tucson was amazing, while others think the affair was so dreadful that Obama should be primaried or we should all vote for Nader, or maybe we're all confused about Native Americans. I don't know quite what it's all about.
I order you to vote for Nader. I'm a man, so you have to.
This is a fabulous song about nothing. Even the video is about nothing. But the song is very good. If you don't think so, I begin to suspect that you have never been in a dance club. Seriously, the combination of bass and vocals would sound nothing short of ecstatic coming out of full-room speakers.
I'm not sure why they chose to make the song specifically about tussing, rather than just getting fucked up in a club generally, but it is what it is.
I recently answered a Facebook friend's query as to the meaning of "slipping scissors in my ride like a G6".
Seriously, the combination of bass and vocals would sound nothing short of ecstatic coming out of full-room speakers.
I get this in my office on a regular basis. "[E]cstatic" is not the word that comes to mind.
Boy howdy is your office environment different from mine.
Ok, but are you dancing in your (bass pumping) office? That may be the problem.
I think I get Heebie's point about Hot Girls being an alien race that occasionally walk among us, but even the video seem only sporadically interested in that.
Also, if it's not entirely obvious, I'm pretty Btocked.
51: I used to get that in my office. Now I get a combination of really loud power tools and passive-aggressive barking. But only for 12 more days.
49: What is "tussing"?
I might have to reiterate 5.
I really can't stand this manner of clubby, bouncy-rubber-ball bass lines. (Is that even the bass line? The part that NEVER STOPS. "Bong-bong-bong, bing-bong, broong-broong-broong.") The rest of the song is danceable and I'm sure quite fun to cut a rug to.
57: Taking Robitussin recreationally, I'd guess.
Boy howdy is your office environment different from mine.
The one plus of the environment is that if I ever follow through on my occasional vague threats to fire up my own soundsystem and bring the playa to the office, nobody's likely to complain.
59: Yep.
I haven't gotten slizzard in 15 years or more.
59: Ah. I've heard "robo-tripping". But shouldn't it be DM-ing, or something? Guaifenesin isn't going to do much for anyone, but dextromethorphan is scary.
Btocked but not slizzard? I am so confused. My lawn, let me show you how to get off of it.
Urban Dictionary says "slizzard" is a synonym of "Btocked". Well, it doesn't say "Btocked", but you know what I mean. Also, promethazine is great (as in, totally takes the edge off severe nausea), but I can't see doing it recreationally. Maybe it interacts especially well with codeine.
dextromethorphan is scary
And these kids today, they don't know how good they have it with the soft gelcaps instead of choking down entire bottles of cough syrup. No wonder this country's grown soft.
I am a bit surprised it's still sold over the counter.
When correctly viewed, all drug use is recreational.
In re tussing v dungeon mastering, etc, I can only speak for my own regional dialect. Generally, however, there's a distinction between drunk and drunk with a cough syrup combo, which is what the nice people in the pop song are talking about (as I mentioned to my SIL, it's sometimes better that you don't know the meaning of the songs your newly teen-aged daughter is listening to). Tonight, I'm merely the former, but sobering up.
A college roommate of mine was once freaked out when he went to check on his girlfriend, who was sick and had taken some combination of cold medicines apparently involving dextromethorphan, and found her staring at her hands saying "these hands aren't mine! these are someone else's hands! I can't move them!" Though I'm a little skeptical that a normal dose would do that....
So urbandictionary is wrong about "slizzard"? Or is there other lyrical evidence of cough-suppressants that I'm not hearing?
From a piece on Lester Bangs:
At 19, he threw the I Ching to see whether he should drop a tab of acid or drink a bottle of Romilar. For acid, the oracle came up with "Inner Truth"; for Romilar, it said "Confusion." When the acid failed to kick in, he drank the bottle of Romilar. "The moral of my tale is simple," he concluded. "Confusion is the only thing that makes any sense."
Mildly presidential for future searchings' sake:
The hoohole isn't helping, and it's a different type of drug, but I'm pretty sure I've shared here the story of a sound guy giving me an aspirin or something for a mild headache ahead of a three-hour gig. I casually sipped on a few beers during the gig (dumb, yes, mixing booze and pills). Two hours in, I completely lost it and could do nothing but focus on just. playing. these. notes. right. now.
I made it through the gig and queried the sound guy afterward. "Oh, shit! I gave you the pink pills?! That was Vicodin!"
Oh, I'm slow. 16 to 70. Should pay more attention to Jesus.
Huh, on googling, the first UD definition I came across was this one, but most of the defintions seem to approximate the folk etymology interpretation of "krunk." I stand corrected. Still the song, to the extent that it's about anything, is specifically about sizzurp/drank.
The lyrical evidence is in the line "like 3-6," referring to 3-6 Mafia, legendary in their promotion of sizzurp. Also, there's the reverb time-delay vibe to the whole song which, while being very different from a Screw Tape, as nosflow says, plays to the time elongating properties of codeine derivatives.
Can anyone figure out what the car is in the video? At first I thought it might be a 911, but on closer inspection definitely not. Maybe some kind of souped up and restored Datsun Z??? This is driving me crazy.
I also have a somewhat hard time believing that Robutussin DM is still on the market.
I haven't shopped for such things is quite a while, but my understanding was that a) all such products live behind the glass case now, and b) they had added an ingredient to Robutussin DM and other similar products that meant that if you took enough of them to mess you up, vomiting would kick in.
The Robitussin DM I have at hand at the moment wasn't behind a glass case. It has guaifenesin and dextromethorphan, and various more-or-less harmless looking inactive ingredients like citric acid, glycerin, high fructose corn syrup, water, and sodium benzoate. So unless the guaifenesin itself induces vomiting, I'm not sure it wouldn't be possible to get high from it.
In fact, I have two mostly-full bottles here, so I suppose I could do the experiment. But I really should be getting to bed.
I suppose I could do the experiment
DO IT!!
If we all try hard enough, we can totally ruin one of the great physics minds of our generation. Come on Mineshaft, let's pull together.
I'm sure heebie will be pleased this post resulted in a bunch of guys chatting about getting waste-faced (as the kids these days say).
Nah, the great physics minds of our generation are a few miles down the road from me.
81: Too far to walk in an altered state?
81: All the more reason to get Robo'd up. Might as well say fuck it if you can't be the best.
I didn't play the video at first because I doubted I would have much interest in it or context for discussing it, and now I'm amused to realize I've actually danced to it.
To the OP, I think the "people vs. women" thing is accepted in concept, but it's sloppy to carry it over and say a person with a vagina can only be one or the other - it's more a dichotomy in standards of judgment, which can apply to the same person at different times.
Clearly this stuff is the absinthe of American popular culture, right down to the nicknames ('Green Fairy' etc.)
Delta Momma Blues , one of Townes Van Zandt 's earlier albums... While the title-track drifts by slowly and gives off a somewhat lazy-river feeling, it contains a double-meaning from the songwriter. "Delta Momma," as Townes referred to it, was cough syrup with codine (Robitussin DM = Delta Momma), and was easily available over the counter. As the lyrics suggest, it made the consumer feel removed and relaxed. On the other hand, it is violently addictive...
From the wiki article on Far East Movement:
"Girls on the Dance Floor" reached 27th on the Billboard chart for the Latin Rhythm Airplay
I love the hilarious specificity of Billboard charts.
75/80. The sharp angle at the A-pillar and roof vertex is distinctive. Could be a Z.
This whole tread is cisgendercentric.
aNote that sex determination is all over the place in terms of both chromosome complement in males and females
And some tetrapods don't use chromosomes at all - a lot of reptiles use the temperature during incubation. Incubate at a slightly lower temperature, and the egg hatches as a male. Raise the temperature a couple of degrees and it hatches as a female.
Properly it should be "fly like a G650". Though I like the suggestion that it's a typo for "fly like the G-8" because it reminds me of the Leggy Starlitz manufactured pop band "The G-7 Girls" which had one member from each major industrial economy.
Incubate at a slightly lower temperature, and the egg hatches as a male. Raise the temperature a couple of degrees and it hatches as a female.
Schrödinger's snake. It is, after all, genuinely in both states until the determining event.
On topic, well, it's an OK dj tool and that's all you can really say. Shiny, drop forged, chrome vanadium, and likely to leave you with a really bad head the next day if someone hits you with it.
Also, promethazine is great (as in, totally takes the edge off severe nausea), but I can't see doing it recreationally. Maybe it interacts especially well with codeine
Opiates (such as codeine) make many people seriously nauseous. Having takena promethazine/codeine combo not long ago for an actual cough, I was excessively excited that I'd actually taken codeine without getting violently ill.
Schrödinger's snake.
It'll really collapse your wave-function, IYKWIMAITYD.
(My weakness for low-hanging fruit, let me show you it.)
I actually thought the video was about bingo, and those ladies needed just one square FTW.
I'm in pain a lot since I'm sick, and the other day my sister asked me if I wanted a painkiller and I was like, yeah, so she gave me one (a teeny round white one just like the time-release tramadol) and I took it and then she said "that was 20 mg of morphine." fucking tell a person, dude.
I mean, I should have asked and everything, but c'mon. then the narnian doctors couldn't get her instant release morphine in pill form (she has long acting ones and then special ones for breakthrough pain), so they gave her seriously like 2 quarts of morphine syrup. hilarious.
It is proposed that from this date hence, whenever a thread reaches comment 649, Stanley will leave the next comment and it shall say, "Slizzard!".
Also, in the spirit of "Becks-style", "btocked", and one other pseud-derived euphemism for intoxication which I now forget, LB needs to start hitting the syrup and commenting on a semi-regular basis so that we can talk about people being "slizzardbreathed".
That's all for now from the Unfogged Standards and Traditions Committee.
well, if lizardbreath is willing to drink a combination of narnia's own f&n grape soda, morphine syrup, and promethazine syrup, I can totally mix some up for her. promethazine doesn't actually get you high much but it is an excellent anti-nausea drug, much better than any of the myriad others I've tried. one of my doctors deprecates it because it makes you sleepy, which, yeah, but it actually causes you to stop feeling queasy, unlike metoclopramide or some shit where you might as well just make yourself puke now and get it over with. sort of unfortunately, perhaps, it is almost impossible for me to vomit. doing heroin for so many years I used to puke several times an day, brush my teeth and get back to a fulfilling seminar. now I have to be so, so horribly sick to vomit, even when I would like to. it does relieve nausea.
also, this reminds me I had a dream the other night that lizardbreath and I got married. the ceremony was totes tasteful, with lb opting for a suit.
Pain is weakness leaving the body, as I occasionally tell myself when lugging around a no-longer-near-mint-condition 6'4" carcass gets a little old.
That song seems very annoying makes me feel old.
100: Who did you kill, and why are you still lugging the carcass around?
I would have guessed Kobe, but he's taller than 6'4".
101: Last week I flew to Eagle, Colorado, and on the airport shuttle was trying to remember where and why I had heard of that town....
slipping scissors in my ride like a G6
What does it mean?
one assumes the young lady is drinking a mixture containing cough syrup in her car. in a fashion so extravagant and lubricious as to resemble the astounding power of flight.
I felt a little bit older after watching that video.
will: correct lyric is presumably "sippin' syzzurp . . ."
We're all clear on the idea that in Western culture, masculine things are okay for both men and women, but feminine things are only okay for women, so you quickly get two groups: people and women.
This is kind of silly. You could just as well say you have two groups, people who can do anything and men who are restricted to male things. But of course one of things women are allowed to do but men aren't is whine about their gender.
I felt a little bit older after watching that video.
And in fact you were several minutes older.
Hawaiian Punch has some new emphatic phrase that we can't make head or tails of, because it sounds like "I shit-faced! I shit-faced!"
But of course one of things women are allowed to do but men aren't is whine about their gender.
You'd better tell Kim Dutoit that.
109: So our devious plan worked then!
104: Or that the G6 comes with a cough syrup-scented air freshener.
But it's certainly an idea that's out there. And I think it's loosely true.
I agree that it's loosely true, but I think it's just as loosely full of shit.
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Best lecture title ever?
"Dear Exonian
We are delighted to invite you to Exeter College's inaugural 700th Anniversary Lecture on Sunday 13th February 2011.
Our guest of honour and speaker will be Kofi Annan who will be speaking on "The Future of Africa etc." "
It's not even the anniversary until 2014 either. Shall I go?
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This whole tread is cisgendercentric.
When this term first came up in another forum, we tried to make cis- a productive morpheme but couldn't come up with much. My contribution was that the G train is the only cis-borough train in the MTA.
Also this thread is bewildering if you refuse to watch the link.
114: Really. You've never noticed that men get mocked for doing feminine things, more than the reverse? And that women can get away with having boy haircuts or driving a truck or playing sports?
If you refuse to watch the link, this thread will make you fly high like a G6.
Also, I think someone needs to pen lyrics to "Like the G7".
Judging by old movies, TV, etc., men dressing up as women is much funnier than women dressing up as men.
well I think my contributions have been entirely clear regardless. everyone's just all "al's taking morphine, fuck," but I'm fine. and I didn't go out and drink or anything. I don't want to take any more, though. no interest in my gay marrying lb? weak sauce, people. I'm going to sleep now and will awake full of narcissistic expectations, so y'all talk about me, y'hear? or make fun of shearer, whatever.
115: That is a mighty fine lecture title. I think you should go.
And maybe it's the 700th Anniversary Lecture, rather than a lecture for the 700th Anniversary.
117: I have noticed all of that, other than maybe the "more than the reverse" part of it. I agreed with you that it's loosely true.
will awake full of narcissistic expectations
And urine. If you don't awake full of urine, you should probably increase your fluids or sleep longer.
Our guest of honour and speaker will be Kofi Annan who will be speaking on "The Future of Africa etc." "
I think you should picket it and hand out leaflets saying "ANNAN TRIVIALISES PROBLEMS OF ETC!"
I suppose a suitable synonym for bt/oc/ked could be something along the lines of "been sippin' urple drank".
My take on the OP was that it's interesting that when you have a conventionally attractive woman performing her song, it's unusual to have a different woman as the star of the video story, though it wouldn't have been as unusual if a male artist chose to have a hot chick as the focal point. Therefore the singer's taking on a role that codes male/just one of the guys/regular person. It made total sense to me and I agree it's interesting, though I don't watch music videos much.
I'm also interested in the quote from the OP "they be acting like they're drunk" instead of "they be ackin like they drunk" or something similar that I'd probably have gone with. Do you correct grammar when singing? I sometimes do with Mara; we're doing a lot of "I like to move it move it" lately and I tend to choose subjects that agree with the verb when I'm on the call end of the call-and-response.
124: I suppose it could have been worse: "The Future of Africa blah blah blah*".
* or perhaps "yadda yadda yadda" but I'm not sure whether that's primarily an Americanism.
sippin' urple drank
"I've got a bag of Craisins, some expired yogurt, a flour sifter, and two cans of Sterno. What kind of cocktail could I make with this?"
121 - oh, it's only "the first of a series of intellectual celebrations" leading up to 2014. It's free!
120 FWIW I totally liked your dream of gaymarriage and took a moment to picture it and yes in fact wondered "is this an awful thing that alameida accidentally took an opiate?"
What kind of cocktail baby food could I make with this?"
I was concerned about the morphine, Al! But I didn't want to say the wrong thing, whatever that might be. Good on you for resisting the demon rum, &c.
the lurkers supported me in email on not commenting about alameida's morphone usage.
Did you wear a suit also?
...or playing sports?
Unless it's softball, of course. Then we get to wrestle with our combined misogyny *and* homophobia!
Of course, I spelt it wrong on purpose.
You could just as well say you have two groups, people who can do anything and men who are restricted to male things.
But the point is that if you're female, while you might get to be sometimes a generic 'person' and other times a stereotyped 'woman', you don't always get to choose which. To put it slightly differently, you might want to be treated as a subject but find yourself treated as an object. The flaw becomes more obvious if you imagine someone saying that African-Americans were better off than whites because they could be both slave and free, whereas whites were restricted to the latter state.
when you have a conventionally attractive woman performing her song, it's unusual to have a different woman as the star of the video story... Therefore the singer's taking on a role that codes male/just one of the guys/regular person.
Thank you! This morning I was second-guessing myself, thinking "Was the post nonsensical? I really do think the video is strange in this way."
Do you correct grammar when singing?
Not when I'm singing, but in writing I don't want to get anywhere near trying to write someone's dialect phonetically.
Unless it's softball, of course. Then we get to wrestle with our combined misogyny *and* homophobia!
But nowhere near the degree that a guy taking ballet would get it.
Heebie, the post made me think of the end of this article: http://kieselaymon.com/?p=1606
I thought guys taking ballet get it a lot...
Also agree with the etiquette issue- one indeed ought to warn someone before giving them opiates. Even if they don't have a history of heroin use, i'd go so far as to say. But then I've always been all, 'pfft!' about demandingness objections to consequentialism, so.
Um. From what I understand, it would be really fucking annoying, after all the hard work, to be unknowingly dosed with morphine. Honestly, that seems...unreasonably unfair. Like, one of the moments in a movie where you go, "really? Really?" I'm not sure what you're supposed to do in that situation. Probably telling people is a good idea, so...yay?
in writing I don't want to get anywhere near trying to write someone's dialect phonetically.
That's probably a good idea! I just found it amusing for some reason.
Is this also where I should confess that it's Mara's second week of school and we've been picking her outfits for her so that either her top or bottom (or sometimes even both!) will be identifiably girls' clothes even though she generally likes boys' stuff better? After this, I'll loosen up and it will be back to all robot shirts all the time.
ALSO, 124 made me unreasonably happy, for some unknown reason.
one indeed ought to warn someone before giving them opiates.
Quite apart from the fact that some people who have never used a recreational opiate in their lives react badly to them. Never give anybody a prescription drug without talking to them about what's in it, not even if you're a doctor.
Hey, sometimes I take cold medicine! It's the best!
It is a felon in Virginia to give someone else your prescription medication.
In rural West Virginia, it is a major source of income.
On the gay marriage front, I will say that I am wearing rather a sharp gray pantsuit at this moment, so I'm dressed for the occasion. Is it gay bigamy if only one of the spouses is same-sex? Come to think of it, I suppose that's bi-bigamy, which is only problematic because it sounds as if I'm stuttering.
151: You can hardly wear white for your second concurrent spouse.
alameida took a pain pill from her sister without asking any questions? I'd bet the same mental processes that allow you to take drugs while temporarily suppressing all the reasons you really want to stop were active.
Eggplant, I'd bet not. Try, "I've known this person for 21* years; I trust them."
*I have no idea how old alameida is.
141 Heebie, the post made me think of the end of this article: http://kieselaymon.com/?p=1606
Wow, that's some damn good writing.
Earlier this morning I read this Glen Tomkins comment over at CT, which makes two unexpected encounters with notably good prose in blogdom in one morning. There's a lot of high-quality ephemera out there; it seems a bit of a shame that most of it's likely to get lost.
155: Possible, and what one hopes, but they have shared drugs for the majority of their lives, and it would be very easy for the sister to assume alameida knew what class of drugs she was receiving, and for alameida to not have questions and objections raised to consciousness. I hope she takes care the next several weeks.
145 - my 8 year old (girl) has had an increasingly-short bob for a while, and then a couple of months ago got a pixie cut. It's quite interesting to see now how LOADS of people think she's a boy. So putting some girly markers on Mara seems like a reasonable plan, just so all her little classmates have "girl" fixed in their minds.
126: My take on the OP was that it's interesting that when you have a conventionally attractive woman performing her song, it's unusual to have a different woman as the star of the video story
This sentence reminded me of the Chinese Olympics girl singing "scandal", which seems to me somewhat a similar thing. I guess the context and ages tipped it over to become much more controversial.
160: It was really just the Chinese military showing off their stealth singer capabilities to embarrass Hu.
will and essear, thanks. Both of those are very good.
161: It was really just the Chinese military showing off their stealth singer capabilities to embarrass Hu.
I Don't Know.
By the way, I'm sorry if my comments don't make any sense. They just can't get my psychiatric medications calibrated right and heaven knows I'm just like a word salad shooter when that happens. But they're trying hard! Because the doctors here are the best! Anyhow, it's group therapy time, so I'll be chatting with you guys (THE BEST!) a little later.
Once again, all apologies! I'm trying! My best! Pooptinklejewlesbianstanfordradioshackplanopoop! (Sorry, there it goes again.)
145: it's Mara's second week of school and we've been picking her outfits for her so that either her top or bottom (or sometimes even both!) will be identifiably girls' clothes even though she generally likes boys' stuff better
Weren't you thinking of sending her to a Waldorf school for early childhood education? I may be misremembering, but if you did, female Waldorf kindergarten teachers are encouraged to wear very feminine clothing -- flowy skirts and such. Not all of them like it; I think it's to encourage a soft and enveloping mother-figure image for the children, even while these surrogate mothers aren't particularly helpless beings. (Maybe things have changed since I was roommates with a Waldorf kindergarten teacher.)
Anyway, I don't know that the children themselves in a Waldorf setting are encouraged to gender identify or present. At that early an age, what's at stake in being marked as "girl"? Of course Mara has distinctive needs due to her life experience so far, so maybe marking a gendered identity seems important in this regard for her.
Thank you! This morning I was second-guessing myself, thinking "Was the post nonsensical? I really do think the video is strange in this way."
It is interesting to try to think of music videos with a male singer in which there is a hot male lead, and the singer is just in the background as a narrator.
I'm sure such videos exist, but I'm not thinking of any at the moment.
I only watch music videos that follow the Bechdel rule.
167: I'd start my search with Meatloaf videos. I can't recall that he ever employed a hot male lead, but he might need it more than most.
166: Right now and for the foreseeable future, she's in a Head Start program at the community college where my partner teaches. She is, however, the only three-year-old girl in the class with short hair and unpierced ears, and she's also a head taller than any of the other girls and much more muscular/physical. She likes boys'/unisexish clothes because they fit her body better and are more functional than the girls' stuff we have.
160: On the day of our visit, the mean(ish) bossy girl said to me, "Is that a boy or a girl?" even though Mara was wearing a dress at the time. Grr. (She'll wear this dress because she thinks it's a shirt and the leggings are pants. If she knew it was a "princess," as she calls dresses or anything frilly, she'd have been less interested.)
I had a short wedge haircut in early elementary school and often got asked whether I was a boy, which didn't make me happy at all. I don't think Mara has any sort of confusion about her gender identity, but she's a tomboyish girl and even my 80-something grandma laughed about how odd it seemed when Mara got a dress at Christmas. Maybe especially because she has lesbian moms, we're trying to make it clear that she can wear whatever she wants to. But, um, I'm also picking her clothes.
She is, however, the only three-year-old girl in the class with short hair and unpierced ears
Wow. I don't think I've seen more than a couple of girls that young with pierced ears in my whole life.
But, um, I'm also picking her clothes.
Oh the tyranny!
171: All the other girls in the class have at least one black parent. At least here, it's pretty standard for black and Latina girls to have their ears pierced in infancy. I'll admit that I was surprised that Mara didn't have pierced ears, since she hadn't entered foster care until after age 2.
It's getting increasingly common to see little boys with earrings, too, though usually only one each. I don't think any of the boys in Mara's class have them, but we've seen comparably aged boys at the basketball games sporting significant (fake, I hope) ice.
Right now and for the foreseeable future, she's in a Head Start program at the community college where my partner teaches.
Right, you had said that -- I'm sorry, I'd forgotten.
I don't really understand the concern in the rest of your comment: meanish little boys and girls (and adults) who say "Is that a boy or a girl?" can cause pain and suffering to little kids, just in the form of bullying. Absolutely. It's true that we all have to learn what's gender normal if only so that we can code-switch if necessary.
It's hard for me to remember what it was like to be a little kid, and I think I'm speaking (and thinking) like an adult who already has a grasp on gender presentation and is -- stupidly, probably -- considering it dumb and dismissible. When in fact it's incredibly important in our society.
173: The Italians, or at least my grandma's family, also used to do that. But, that stopped in the 40s or so.
173: At least here, it's pretty standard for black and Latina girls to have their ears pierced in infancy.
I didn't know that. Do you have any sense of why that is? (By which I just mean that you can get your ear(s) pierced later in life, at age 10 or 14, if you want to, and it's not that big a deal, not like circumcision, say; so is it a gender marker?)
I'm fearful that I'm sounding dense or combative. Thorn and Lee, I know that the world of black gender identity, in combination with being gay, is incredibly fraught. The two of you are heroes in my book for navigating it with Mara.
174.3: I'll admit, my initial instinct was, eh, screw mean girls, let Mara be Mara! But realistically? She's just gotten used to having mommies and a new home and is now starting a new school. Gender norming for a couple of weeks to try to minimize potential sources of stress? Particularly since it's not actually being presented to Mara that way? ("You have to wear the princess dress because you are a girl and the other kids won't like you if you don't dress like a girl!") Seems pretty reasonable.
Or, shorter, one of the great joys of being a mommy is knowing that you will never be alone in second-guessing all your parenting decisions, no matter what decisions you make. (Just this week, I didn't allow Rory to get a purple temporary hair extension, even though I agreed it would have looked awesome, because I was worried about what her dad/other neighborhood parents would say.)
In light of 176, I want to clarify that the second-guessing comment wasn't directed at you, Pars. I just meant Thorn raised the subject in a confessional sort of way that is all too familiar to me and, I assume, most parents who are trying to do a good job.
178: Yeah, I just meant that I feel like a big old hypocrite plus whatever M/tch called me for letting her pick her own clothes every day for two months and then suddenly making her wear what I choose on school days. On the other hand, since I'm also waking her at 6:30 and dressing her before she's inclined to complain, it works. This is as much about matching as about gender presentation, but I do want the teachers and other parents to think we're competent at raising a girl or whatever. And yes, I'm overcompensating because Mara has two moms and I'm the white one.
I'd be making things up if I guessed why piercing is a big deal in some cultures and not others and I think it's partly a marker of "Look, girl!" for a blob with no hair. But I also think that it's probably best to either do the ear piercing at a time when mom is completely in control of all washing/hygiene or at a time when the child is truly old enough to be independently responsible, so the window of opportunity closes for a while through toddlerhood and probably early grade school for most kids.
179: Oh, your worry just put me in mind of some of the kid lib pronouncements bob here has made from time to time, which led to my calling you a tyrant.
And I just kind of amused at the idea that not letting a three year old pick her own clothes to wear to school was somehow problematic. If I had been allowed to pick what I wanted to wear when I was 3, I think I would have worn the exact same shirt every day (NTTAWWT; ogged probably still does that).
Vaguely related, one of the Kraab nieces has been wearing a fuzzy, hooded mouse costume as her shirt whenever she's at home for the last month or so.
If I had been allowed to pick what I wanted to wear when I was 3, I think I would have worn the exact same shirt every day
The summer Joey turned 4 he was able to pick his own outfit almost every day, and wore the same superman costume for weeks. We were at the beach and people would stop and call out "Hey, its Superman!"
But I also think that it's probably best to either do the ear piercing at a time when mom is completely in control of all washing/hygiene or at a time when the child is truly old enough to be independently responsible, so the window of opportunity closes for a while through toddlerhood and probably early grade school for most kids.
True fact. I have an unpierced-earred eleven-year-old in a pierced-in-infancy neighborhood, and it really isn't practical between infancy and tweendom -- if you're going to do it young, I think you really want to do it before the baby can even grab their own ears hard.
(Sally's been asking to get hers pierced, and she's ready to take care of them herself. I'll probably let her do it this summer sometime.)
180: I didn't really believe you thought I was a tyrant! I'm not sure what Mara would do if we gave her the option not to change her clothes at all. We did let her wear her ladybug costume for two days because her birthday's the day after Halloween and it seemed hard to fight on those grounds.
Otherwise, though, daytime clothes from the shelf with the sun (sign I drew on a piece of scrap paper) are for day and nighttime clothes from the shelf with the moon are for night. Underwear and pull-ups follow the same rule, which is why I instituted it.
When my son was nearly 4, he was wearing a superman shirt as we travelled and the pilot said, "Hey, Superman," as we exited the plan. So, my son lectured the pilot, loudly, about how it was just a shirt, he wasn't really Superman, and Superman did not exist.
182.last: Heavens! Getting your ears pierced at age 11 is not that big a deal! She just has to wash or wipe them with alcohol (or is it hydrogen peroxide) and rotate the studs. Maybe there was some antibiotic ointment. You should let her do it.
Wearing the same outfit every day is fine. I'm sure it is.
I work with someone who always wears the same outfit at least two days in a row. Sometimes three. Sometimes, I think, for an entire week.
185: Yeah, but you're not still learning to wipe yourself and don't spill food on yourself at every meal. (At least I hope not.) I never stop doing laundry.
I'm getting really fed up with my best friend, and I feel totally disloyal bitching about her behind her back.
I personally think she's been depressed for years. She's in therapy but always has circumstantial reasons for not getting on medication. She's attached to this really horrible guy she dated for five years, although they've been broken up since summer.
She's hugely preoccupied with marrying and starting a family. I do believe that these are things that would make her happier. But in the meantime, it's been sooooo long since she was happy.
(The main appeal of the loser guy is that that's her quickest route to a family. But she's also aware that it would be a total clusterfuck to raise kids with that guy. So instead the relationship just dragged out...and out...and out...)
Mostly I just try to be supportive. I'm just venting. I know I can't solve her problems.
186: So, how is ogged handling fatherhood so far?
186: I wear blue dress shirt and khaki pants pretty much every day. I do switch every day (light blue to dark blue or something) unless I'm going to be in my other office so no one will notice.
I also keep track slightly if I wore the same thing the last time this MWF met, or TTh class met. It gets tricky.
189: Right, but when I say "the same outfit" I don't mean "a different set of similar-looking shirts and pants", I mean the same specific articles of clothing. The undergarments hopefully change, but the outer garments don't.
188: Just slip her a prozac the next time she asks for a painkiller.
In all seriousness though, that sounds rough, and you have my sympathies.
I had a philosophy prof who wore the same sport coat every single class for a whole semester. We used to talk about it on the way out of the room.
I imagine a woman professor who wore the same thing every day would get even more of the mockery. We should have a thread on that.
187, and also 196: You have a point.
To 195: It's probable that the philosophy prof wearing the same sport jacket had it hanging on his office door, and donned it just before class, then doffed it thereafter. It wasn't getting much use.
198, plus it's not as if a sports jacket needs to be laundered between use.
196: Just don't jump to conclusions about the gender of the coworker I said wears the same outfit two or more days in a row...
195. Maybe it was an experiment. Published with the title of: "Gossip and Drycleaning- How disparate power differentials between students and professors impact basic hygiene norms".
You know, I still don't have my ears pierced (well, they were pierced once upon a time). I've been getting earrings as gifts from people who really should know better for eons (thus prompting the uncomfortable moment of - do I tell them? or just accept them and hope it doesn't come up again?). I was in a piercing place with my sister to pick up a new nose ring, and the woman behind the counter noticed I didn't have them done, and I swear she was about 2 seconds from just forcing me into the chair and doing it for free, because it seemed so weird to her.
Also, 188: That blows.
198, 199: Both true. But, still it seemed strange that he had only one. I saw him around outside of class and while he didn't always wear a sports coat, he never wore a different sports coat.
I work with someone who always wears the same outfit at least two days in a row. Sometimes three.
I've done this, at least as far as visible items are concerned. What's the problem?
"What's the problem?" goes double for things like jackets. Come on.
194, 202: Thanks.
I wish I could formulate it into an ATM question or something, because I feel like picking the situation apart. But I can't imagine anyone has any advice; ultimately each person gets to lead their own life and all you can do is be supportive.
188: You totally have my sympathies as well. As does your friend. If you haven't brought up the subject of depression and medication, that may be worthwhile. (One would think her therapist would have -- but then, some of us depressed people are pretty good at concealing the depth of our malaise even from therapists...)
As far as marriage, etc., I have become a true believer in the truism that it happens just when you get comfortable with the idea of being okay on your own. (It also happens when you are hopelessly desperate to not be alone, of course, but with less desirable results.)
205: Also, I am a big advocate (in case this wasn't painfully obvious) of picking things apart even if it's unlikely to generate a solution. Sometimes that process is valuable in itself
If you haven't brought up the subject of depression and medication, that may be worthwhile.
I've brought it up, but only every now and then. I haven't hammered this point home.
I have become a true believer in the truism that it happens just when you get comfortable with the idea of being okay on your own.
I totally believe this, too. I've said it gingerly before, but it comes off as a little cheap from me, since I'm married with children. So I don't bring this up too much, either.
204 I've done this, at least as far as visible items are concerned. What's the problem?
There's no problem, it's just a little unusual. Not so unusual for it to happen every now and then, but unusual to never wear something for only one day in a row.
My Mom claims that in the 1950s and early 1960s, American parents viewed ear-piercing as shockingly sluttish and gypsy like. Apparently, my Grandmother had an epic tantrum when my Mom got her ears pierced at 16.
My viewing of old films doesn't seem to support this narrative. Many women in films of the period wear earings, I think. I guess maybe all the actresses were presumptively slutty?
It's also not like my Grandmother was particularly puritanical -- she was a French teacher and left wing activist.
Many women in films of the period wear earings
Most old earrings are clip ons.
My viewing of old films doesn't seem to support this narrative. Many women in films of the period wear earings, I think.
They may not have had pierced ears. There were (and are) not only clip-on earrings, but also daintier slip-on earrings that sort of looked as though you might be wearing pretty studs through what might seem like a pierced ear.
I have some of my grandmother's clip-on earrings. They are shockingly uncomfortable.
They are shockingly uncomfortable.
This is so true.
208.last: Send her to me. I'll tell her all about how awesomely it works out to get married mostly because you want to be married and have kids. Or for that matter, just tell her to RTFA.
Yeah, someone got Sally some pretty clip-ons and she was delighted until she tried to wear them. Never again.
Huh. So earings were OK as long as one wore uncomfortable clip ons, but piercing was irredeemably slutty?
Also, to 210.last:
My mom had the same arguments with her mother, and I think that mine is roughly the same age as yours, and I'm guessing close in class. Though, my grandmother's family was strangely Puritanical* for being from the tropics.
*Or maybe not; thinking about this lazily, it seems that there are basically two reactions for white, British-descent people in the warmer climes - relaxing to fit the climate or becoming even more buttoned up.
You still see women in movies off-handedly pulling off an earring to speak on the phone. I imagine this is an anachronism at this point, since I don't know anyone who wears clip ons.
piercing was irredeemably slutty?
Well, yeah. If you let a needle penetrate you, god knows what else you'll do.
Clip-on earrings can be shockingly uncomfortable! I should probably throw out the ones I have left.
For a few years as a late teenager I collected marvelous clip-on earrings; some of them were fab, no kidding. You cannot wear that sort of thing in/on a pierced ear in a lot of cases, and I'm pretty sure that some people still do wear clip-on earrings for that reason.
The uncomfortableness of clip-ons has everything to do with the weight of the earring itself, and the spring mechanism of the clip. There really are lightweight clip-ons that are wonderfully pretty, where the spring clip doesn't mash your earlobe to a bloody pulp inside of an hour.
I had some screw-on ones of my grandmother's that were a lot more comfortable than the clip-ons.
The men in this band are distressingly fresh-faced.
'flow is distressed by asian people's faces?
Thinking about the original post, the video for Don't You Want Me really is brilliant.
I remember seeing a very nice bit of commentary on it that I sadly cannot find at the moment. It might have been this, but it doesn't quite match my memory.
I like my luxury executive aircraft the way I like my women: fast, expensive, and with leather interiors.
230, cont'd: oh, yeah, and a nice big pair of... wings.
This looks like it might be the best movie ever made.
I dunno, urple.This is going to be awfully hard to beat.
Nic Cage gets a bit broker, he'll top either of those without a problem.
Wow. Wow. That'll show everyone who thought that amateurs could go toe to toe with the pros.
234: I didn't click on that the firs time you linked to it, because, well, there were other human beings around. But now that I have, I see that it is really funny. The last line killed me.
I had the impression that Human Centipede was some kind of low-budget flop that only got attention on the internet for being bizarre and awful. So I was surprised to see the DVD for sale at Target.
Bizarre and awful are standard reactions, but no one ever said it was a flop. It started getting attention from moment one because of the extra disgustingness of the premise.
232: I had no idea Marge's full name was Marjorie. I had always assumed Margaret.
Also: couldn't a desirable pair of clip-on earrings be modded into a normal post-and-back (or whatever the term is) earring?
If I had been allowed to pick what I wanted to
wear when I was 3, I think I would have worn the
exact same shirt every day
I went to school every day and all I got was this shirt.
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If I were younger I would probably have had piles of to-be-read newspapers.
220: Superseded by clip on blueteeth.
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