Re: In which I allow myself to feel superior

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they're simultaneously more uncertain and more apodictic

Don't you mean epideictic?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 10:52 AM
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Nope (third para). It's not the dimension of assessment itself, but the certainty (or attempted air of certainty) with which the assessments are laid down.

(I was thinking to some extent of this (surprisingly late) review of Thunder Perfect Mind, especially the second paragraph there.)


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 10:57 AM
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I miss subscribing to Cabinet. It is a very good magazine. In fact, it is so good that, because it contains very little, if anything, that is not well-written and of almost perverse interest to me, I began to feel oppressed by its arrival at my house, knowing that I always have shit to do other than learn about all kinds of fascinating things that I can't discuss with anyone because they are too obscure.

Cabinet! The best!


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 11:04 AM
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The successors of n

I thought this was going to be another maths post.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 11:09 AM
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learn about all kinds of fascinating things that I can't discuss with anyone because they are too obscure.

Maybe you could take up with someone who writes for Cabinet.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 11:15 AM
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Take up with, like get to know personally? Jesus. You know I'd want to scam a gig there. Pleeeeeease let me write extremely long-form articles about super-obscure shit from the past, please. OTOH, I don't know if I know about anything interesting enough.


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 11:21 AM
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I love following the Juggalo stuff in general. No idea if I'd want to here what they have to say about it, however. As I think I tangentially alluded to here a while back, elements of what would now be considered Juggaloism were most definitely evident in Upper Midwest counter-culture back in the late '60s-early '70s day. And not noticeably less evident than the peace-love-understanding parts.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 11:38 AM
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The definitive juggalo treatment comes via the character of Gamzee in Homestuck.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 11:43 AM
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apodictic

This means "in the mode of speech used by apostropher," right?


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 11:44 AM
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think I tangentially alluded to here a while back, elements of what would now be considered Juggaloism were most definitely evident in Upper Midwest counter-culture back in the late '60s-early '70s day.

Enjoyment of Faygo? Rank stupidity? Clown makeup?

I admit to being so unsophisticated (cf., other thread) that I can't tell whether 3 is in earnest or not.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 11:51 AM
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10: Really? I'm entirely sincere. Cabinet is fantastic. Seriously, check this shit out. I want to read every article. They are oppressively interesting essays about things I know nothing about.


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 12:00 PM
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Oh, I actually do know someone with an article in the Hair issue. Huh.


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 12:02 PM
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10.1 Not so much those surface manifestations (which are what the unsophisticated tend to notice ...), but rather disaffected youth rather unthinkingly and violently lashing out in non-establishment-approved channels. Conforming non-conformist. Also drugs and alcohol.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 12:09 PM
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13 -- It's 1969, OK. All across the USA. Another year for me and you. Another year with nothing to do.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 12:11 PM
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Also drugs and alcohol.

Hello Friday.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 12:15 PM
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Neb, I have now finished Independent People--which I got interested in via recommendations here, and your enthusiasm for it in particular). Pretty impressive, although I think I still prefer Smiley's (who is blurbed on the jacket cover of my copy) The Greenlanders for long, involved remote Nordic farm desperation literature. I did wonder the extent to which you might have seen yourself in the main character with his dense internal rhymes etc. For instance, the long night looking for the "lost" lamb:

This was rather a long night. Seldom had he recited so much poetry in a single night; he had recited all his father's poetry, all the ballads he could remember, all his own palindromes backwards and forwards in forty-eight different ways, whole processions of dirty poems, one hymn that he had learned from his mother and all the lampoons that had been known in the Fourthing since time immemorial about bailiffs, merchants and sheriffs.
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Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 12:21 PM
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the extent to which you might have seen yourself in the main character with his dense internal rhymes etc.

Not at all, actually; I don't think it even occurred to me. I do esteem his enthusiasm for dense construction, though.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 12:22 PM
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14. Exactly.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 12:23 PM
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17: Ah, I could imagine you proudly living in an intellectual Summerhouses of your own construction. Debt free and independent. Of course, I don't know you.
</presumptuous asshole>

(And you probably wouldn't have slaughtered the cow.)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 12:28 PM
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Juggalos undermine the special role of the square states in national politics. If Midwesterners aren't as astrally higher on the Jimmy Stewart scale of evolution than the rest of us as used to be granted, if not outright assumed, by their jaded, guilty big city fugitive relatives, then why do they get to pick the presidential candidates?

Don't even get me started on New Hampshire.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 12:34 PM
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Don't even get me started on New Hampshire.

So you'd choose "die".


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 12:40 PM
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201. Midwesterners are squealing, wallowing fuckpigs of multiple iniquities to the same degree as any other geographical or historical assemblage of humanity.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 12:44 PM
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Cabinet looks nice, I've been looking for something like that.

I've found a few visual artists I like by following links from
http://www.todayandtomorrow.net/

Joseba Eskubi is nice:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/josebaeskubi/4897031136/


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 12:55 PM
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It's 1969, OK. All across the USA. Another year for me and you. Another year with nothing to do.

This reminded me, tangentially, of a lyric quoted in Generation X

I was four years old in nineteen-sixty-nine
When everybody had their thing and I had mine
There were some people smoking weed, there were some others doing speed
But I was way big into raisins at the time


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 12:58 PM
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Don't even get me started on New Hampshire.

You're gonna love this. Not.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 1:01 PM
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I figured out all by myself that we're talking about a magazine called n+1


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 1:04 PM
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26: Despite the kafkaesque writing!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 1:07 PM
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A real life friend writes a blog with terribly ponderous, pretentious writing, like long descriptive sentences that descend into lists of everyday objects in order to really put you right there in the scene. It drives me totally nuts, but the group of friends all marvel about what a beautiful writer she is, which then drives me further nuts.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 1:10 PM
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28 to the title of the OP.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 1:12 PM
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28: Get her started on Twitter?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 1:29 PM
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30: She is! She's better there.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 1:44 PM
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So I pulled down my pants, and the doctor say, "hmm, that's a big one."

Unfortunately, he was talking abut the size of my abdominal hernia.

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Posted by: geo. washington | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 2:38 PM
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Laydeez.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 2:47 PM
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25: Fuck, but no. They're done. I'm revoking their rights to any of American history. All rights to American history will be determined by a tribunal I will convene in the bar in Philadelphia closest to Independence Hall and the Liberty Bell.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 3:06 PM
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Also, hope that doesn't hurt too much for you George.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 3:11 PM
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28 is a total tease without a link to the blog.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 3:42 PM
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Like, 30 goddamn hernias.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 3:52 PM
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It is, but I just have to leave it as so. I was even considering redacting the comment in case I get outed in the future.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 4:11 PM
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I remain a happy paying subscriber to n+1 and a loyal reader of Mark Greif in particular. There are some matters in which I just won't bow to my need for neb's approval.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 4:20 PM
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It's your chief failing, IMO.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 4:24 PM
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38 to 37.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 4:49 PM
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Oh my, Helen Dewitt. A couple of years ago I wondered what had happened to her and found her blog. It made her seem quite mad.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 4:53 PM
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25: Is there a Revolutionary War counterpart to Winston Churchill's "rum, sodomy and the lash" w/r/t the naval tradition? Because [sound of teeth grinding].


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 5:02 PM
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I remain a happy paying subscriber to n+1....

If you have tickets to the n+1/Gawker hipster kickball game, well, you keep 'em.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 5:04 PM
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38: maybe rename the user as h/eerie?


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 5:13 PM
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-r, +b


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 5:13 PM
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I keep hoping for more issues of n+1 to show up in the, er, place where a person gets free stuff. That's how I came to read n+2, I think, and I can't say I minded it.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 5:32 PM
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This might as well be the thread to say that Jesus Fucking Christ but my alma mater is bombarding me with emails in the wake of the recent alumni reunion. It is extremely annoying. The run-up to the reunion was bad enough, but this is ridiculous.

Pardon my language.

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Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 5:39 PM
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... the, er, place where a person gets free stuff.

AT THE GETTIN' PLACE.


Posted by: OPINIONATED GUY FROM NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 6:08 PM
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n +1

Gosh, you guys are being such sillypants! You can't add letters and numbers! That would be like a jelly and mustard sandwich!


Posted by: Pauly Shore | Link to this comment | 06-24-11 9:11 PM
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Is there a Revolutionary War counterpart to Winston Churchill's "rum, sodomy and the lash" w/r/t the naval tradition? Because [sound of teeth grinding].

I'm sure WSC's estate would have no difficulty with you getting drunk as a skunk and sodomising and flogging all the Tea Partiers you can lay hands on. Go for it!

I'd never heard of Cabinet. Hmmm... retirement present?


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 06-25-11 9:09 AM
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The Paulified 50 made me giggle.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 06-25-11 9:19 AM
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I find it amusing to interpret this Estonian dance song and video, "Tea Party", as a commentary on American politics, though it probably wasn't meant as such.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 06-25-11 9:51 AM
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to 46: chmod ?

to OP: adolescents secretly like feeling eccentric and freakish and alone, hoarding pop arcana and cultivating ever-dweebier erudition.


Posted by: Econolicious | Link to this comment | 06-25-11 12:11 PM
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