(Also fist-to-five sounds a teeny bit dirty, no?)
Yes.
What is google buzz? And where do I find Becks's?
When serious felonies involving the public trust* are at issue, avoiding the risk of a little shouting doesn't seem something to build a process on.
* Studiedly avoiding recalling the other recent jury decision of moment.
2: Google Buzz is annoying and incredibly privacy intrusive, is what it is. here, let me wiki that for you.
But people, high paid lawyers even, were actually so stupid to believe that dur, if we stack the jury with ladies, they won't convinct, you need a penis for that? And, as the article alleges, this is just because in the first trial a female jury member refused to convict?
So glad that when I do something dumb, this isn't hold against my entire gender...
Oh, come on. Everything lawyers do during this juror-selection procedure is based on demographic tendencies that are well-known to lawyers.
4.2: Do you have a better plan?
In this case, my guess is that the jury consultants told them that everybody hated their client. So, the attorneys went for the Hail Mary, since that happened to work the last time.
Admittedly I didn't read the linked article. I don't have the time! I have work to do!
My understanding as a defense lawyer who has done a grand total of one jury trial is that the conventional wisdom is that you general don't want women on your jury because women are more likely to be fearful of violence and side with the government and thus convict your client, unless it's a sex case, in which case you definitely do want women on your jury because women, in their internalized sexism, are likely to judge the complaining witness very harshly (and we all know that in sex cases it's really the complaining witness who's on trial) and think she's a slut who deserved it and therefore acquit your client.
But who the hell knows if that's true. It's probably not.
Isn't it massively illegal for jurors to discuss jury deliberations with anyone, let alone on the record with journalists? Or is that just an English thing?
9: Apparently it varies. Wikipedia:
In English law, the jury's deliberations must never be disclosed outside the jury, even years after the case; to repeat parts of the trial or verdict, is considered to be contempt of court, a criminal offense. In the United States, this rule usually does not apply, and sometimes jurors have made remarks that called into question whether a verdict was properly arrived at. In Australia, academics are permitted to scrutinize the jury process only after obtaining a certificate or approval from the Attorney-General.
Now if you forget my birthday darling
it won't mean a thing (what was your birthday anyway)
just buy me a card from thrifty's
two days late that'll be okay (some cake and ice cream by the way)
Most importantly you should not be eager to impress
Basically what you need is a man in a dress
You need a man in a dress
MP3 at the link.
Now this is bizarre -- wasn't there just a thread about misogyny where someone was pleased to be living with his girlfriend who was a "dude with a vagina"? Because I clearly have a very relevant and enjoyable song to share in that thread, and now I can't find it in any of the main page threads.
It's the Yves Smith one, k-sky.
10 -- IME, in civil cases, we get permission from the judge, which always has strict conditions: only in the courthouse, only immediately after the verdict, not a bit if they say they're not interested in talking, etc.
15 When I was on a jury for a civil trial we were allowed to discuss the case with the lawyers after the verdict, and one of the lawyers got my email address for a couple follow-up questions. On the other hand, we were told that we were not allowed to discuss anything about the case with the judge. (I think because he might still have to make some rulings about the case if there's some problem with the deliberations?)
The discussions afterwards were somewhat interesting because one of the jurors was a lawyer who had very recently worked as a partner in a big defense firm. For example, apparently lawyers are taught to speak quietly when examining the "defendant" (or whatever the right word is, here it was the manager of the church where the plaintiff was injured, she wasn't actually the defendant though because the church itself was). The idea being that if you come off as mean and bullying then the jurors will sympathise with the defendant. But as it turns out, talking quietly is really annoying because you can't hear! And all the jurors were just annoyed at the lawyer anyway. So yeah, don't speak quietly.
It's an interesting cultural reference point that some lawyer understood "respectfully" to mean "quietly."
The more important rule is that jurors must be entertained. Not necessarily amused; and sometimes to subject matter lends itself to serious drama. But entertaining it must be.
I have two good "bored jurors" stories from my trial.
First the judge had a great great rule: "As soon as someone mentions a break, we take a break. Otherwise the jurors won't be able to think about the trial." I've found that a good corollary to this is that if you're giving a talk you can't ask in the last 5-10 minutes "how much time do I have left?" because if you do then the audience knows the talk is ending soon and will be watching the clock instead of you.
Second, at some point we were listening to horribly horribly boring videotaped medical testimony. After a break the judge was all "I know all this videotaped testimony is really boring, but just imagine how much worse it was before when we had to read aloud people's depositions." And the lawyers were all "hrm, I guess you looked at what's on the schedule for tomorrow." And the judge said "Will that really be necessary?" The next morning we arrived and the judge announced "Our very professional lawyers have agreed to a stipulation." And there was no read-aloud testimony.
Had a fun read aloud experience, what, 12 years ago: husband and wife team, making eyes at each other as they read. Didn't notice how completely uninterested the jurors were. 50 minutes they went on. Watching the jury, I edited my rebuttal reading down to about 90 seconds. Got good reactions.
Later in the same trial, they showed video -- droning talking head video -- and we did our rebuttal as read-aloud. Same time ratio.
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My sweetie's pants fall off because he is basically carrot-shaped. How can he wear suspenders without looking like a Gekko wannabe ?
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21: Who says suspenders have to be worn outside the shirt.
I mean, other than the people who make suspenders.
The conventions of employment include a gentleman's shirt remaining tucked into his trouser waistband, and shirts are not constructed to allow internal braces. Perhaps I should apply ingenuity and my needle.
Buttons on a bicyclist's bib would work to well.
You could sew his pants to his shirt each morning and make sure his diet leaves him very, very regular.
Did his pants fall off during a fun, public occasion?
Those of us who are basically potato shaped are jealous of the carrot shaped.
You could sew his pants to his shirt each morning and make sure his diet leaves him very, very regular.
Or he could just wear a dress.
I think the trick is to rock the suspenders with confidence. If he is a Gekko wannabe, then it will reveal his character. If he is anything other, then it will demonstrate individual style, doubled by his insistence that he's not being affected, he just needs to hold his pants up.
I say this as someone who enjoyed wearing suspenders with my suits. I was never mistaken for a Gekko.
Isn't the answer just to buy pants that fit? Or am I missing something about men's anatomy and the mysterious carrot shape?
Elasticized waistband pants! Elasticized belt! Since I take it a regular belt doesn't work, the carrot shape in question being not a gradual taper, but nearly top (as in spinning top) shaped.
What is a top-shaped root vegetable? = a turnip
This just in: Former President Itamar Franco is still dead. Take note, self-abusers.
BBC autocorrect fail:
St Pauls will all be shut.
Okay, that did not go according to plan:
So the closure of leisure facilities is likely to have the most immediate impact. Parks, campsites, the state zoo and the landmark Capitol building in state capital St Pauls will all be shut. [Imagine extra emphasis on "St Pauls"] -- From an article on the state government shutdown here.
32: I thought to go there, it's true, but feared that people might begin to argue over the root vegetables:
Turnip!
No, beet! Beet, beet!
What is this "beet"? Are you saying the man has no legs?
Well I don't suppose his legs are much to remark on if he's shaped like a turnip!
In any event, if the Lady Disraeli cares to elaborate: why does a regular belt not work?
Are the pants actually falling like a Benny Hill sketch or are we taking about a white collar version of plumber-butt?
I don't think I understand why belts don't work.
Apropos of nothing, I find it fairly weird that someone clicked through to my university webpage while attempting to Google my sexual orientation.
I only just now realized you guys were talking about Gordon Gekko, and not an actual gecko.
Gecko suspenders (scroll down and read the review).
40: Do I even want to know how you can tell someone was googling your sexual orientation? Also, who?
42: The idea of dead-gecko doorstops made me chuckle, I'm ashamed to admit.
I find it fairly weird that someone clicked through to my university webpage while attempting to Google my sexual orientation.
I find it somewhat weirder that someone was attempting to Google your sexual orientation in the first place.
I don't currently understand how men's belts ever work, given that their waists are often wider than teir hips. Are the belts tightened enough to create their own shelf?
Doesn't that interfere with the digestion?
Elastics seek the narrowest level, around his knees.
I'll get him some suspenders. Any views on X-backed vs. Y-backed?
I don't think he's all that much sleeker than the average, but if I give him my pocket change to carry his pants fall right off. This is funniest if I've also burdened his arms.
43: They Googled my name, the name of the university where I work, and 'gay'. I can tell because I can see the Google search referral string in the data for visitors to my webpage. I'm with teo in thinking this is really weird, to begin with, and the fact that they thought my professional webpage would answer their question adds to the weirdness. I have no idea who, although given the location I would guess it's someone working in my field at a particular university. There's no one there who I'm more than vaguely acquainted with. All very strange.
Although, given that Google always wants to autocomplete the name of my next employer with the word "married", I guess people get curious about that sort of thing.
46: Weird. My pants won't fall that far without a belt and with full pockets.
What holds them up, Moby Hick? ...."some people can be both funny and vulgar."
"If your pants stay up for more than four hours at a time without a belt or suspenders, you should seek medical advice immediately."
46: I don't currently understand how men's belts ever work, given that their waists are often wider than teir hips.
This is making me do some imaginative work. The only male currently at my disposal, at whose waist-to-hips ratio I might covertly gaze, is my housemate, who's 6'7" and whose pants never fit for that reason. He is indeed shaped roughly like a carrot, but the pants-fitting business has to do with his height.
I think a lot of men do have waists?
essear: Someone is clearly interested in you.
If I thought you were hot, I would want to know if you were gay. I would probably google "is essear unfogged state gay" and see what happened. Lower stakes than admitting interest by asking someone.
And yes, I know the "is" is superfluous, but that's how I roll.
Does he not have an ass? I've concluded my ass is carrying much of the load.
I'm wearing pants with no belt and trying to pull them down, in case anybody wants to replicate my methods. Some pressure on my hips, but mostly on the upper ass.
Hence the name, I'm sure, as a bearer of burdens. It looks like an ass. It feels like an ass. Why does it not hold his pants up?
Maybe the researcher actually thinks essear's research is lame.
I have replicated Moby's findings. I'm not sure we're a statistically significant sample, though.
58 to 59, perhaps.
52.last and 53 seem unlikely since I haven't encountered anyone from this place in over a year, as far as I'm aware.
Somebody with a bermless ass might have pants-retention issues.
obligatory archive link (a useful thread for other reasons, too)
To do this scientifically, Lady Disraeli needs to get Ben to stand with back against the wall and then see how many standard bratwursts fit in the cavity made by the wall and the small of his back.
63: "unfogged state" is the pseud of essear's university.
"Up against the wall, darling; I have the sausages."
I may be some time.
It is a wonder how Lady D's sweetie has kept his pants aloft lo these many years.
"unfogged state" s/b "University of North Florida", or so many mistypings would have me believe.
He's been making sudden grabs the whole time, except, he says, when plump.
No votes on X vs Y braces? There are even some that attach at the side seams, and others that clip to the belt. Unfogged is usually full of passionate intensity on hipster vs nerd fashion.
dudes with skinny asses can find pants falling down. This is especially true if you with pants that you buy deliberately too big so that they're not too tight right after a wash and dry. However, I'm not clear on why belts don't work. While many of my pants and shorts will seek to wander downwards on their own, with a belt they stay obediently in place.
Maybe his pants are just too big? Has he tried the next smaller size?
21: He can conceal the suspenders under a waistcoat. That's what I did when I was wearing suspenders.
many of my pants and shorts will seek to wander downwards on their own
"The jury will, of course, form their own conclusions."