Re: On the Limits of Intimacy

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Perhaps not, but I certainly do now.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 6:45 AM
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Do you find tongue scrapers gross or boring, Stan?

Don't you appreciate all the planning and effort that goes into making that kissable mouth?


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 6:49 AM
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Tongue scrapers make me think of David Foster Wallace. (As does Venus Williams, really. I can't be the only person who first heard of her in IJ, right?)


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 6:54 AM
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2: I urge you to consider the possibility that I was the one engaged in the perceived over-sharing.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 6:57 AM
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2: Ah, I assumed Stanley was the teller.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 6:58 AM
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I was fucking right.

Unfogged Style Guide Rule 17: Respond to pwnage with misplaced aggression.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 6:59 AM
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Tongue scrapers are like the preview button. Everyone should use it, but it's awkward to talk about.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 7:17 AM
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6.2: Oops, I typed out loud the part you say quiet and said quiet the part you type out loud.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 7:45 AM
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but it's awkward to talk about.

Is that a tongue scraper in your mouth or are you trying tell me something?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 7:47 AM
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(As does Venus Williams, really. I can't be the only person who first heard of her in IJ, right?)

The only American person, possibly.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 7:55 AM
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You should also close the door when going to the bathroom. Especially if you pee while sitting down, Stanley.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 8:44 AM
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You should also close the door when going to the bathroom.
But then how would my cats come in and make a nest out of the pants around my ankles? I don't think you've thought this through at all, will.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 9:04 AM
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Two different female friends have told me that they had to break up with their boyfriends when they learned that the boyfriends sat down to pee. They lost all sexual attraction to them.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 9:07 AM
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Two different female friends have told me that they had to break up with their boyfriends when they learned that the boyfriends sat down to pee. They lost all sexual attraction to them.

That's the strangest thing that I've heard in a while.

Gender roles are weird.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 9:16 AM
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Really? In 1994 or whatever? She hadn't won anything yet.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 9:25 AM
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15 was to 10.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 9:25 AM
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OK, so I read the book in '96. From Wikipedia, "Williams played five events in 1996, falling in the first round four times but reaching the third round in Los Angeles, before losing to World No. 1 Steffi Graf."

Most of America had heard of her?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 9:27 AM
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13: Upright peeing results in misses, due to the chaotic nature of the stream at the beginning and end of urination, so these boyfriends were inconveniencing themselves to leave a cleaner bathroom for others. Your female friends were not worthy of them.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 9:31 AM
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Most of America had heard of her?

Probably more people than had heard of Infinite Jest.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 9:36 AM
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My understanding is that certain piercings require that a person sit down to pee. Me: I'm just lazy sometimes, especially if it's the middle of the night.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 9:48 AM
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18: Pfff. I can let my mind wander and miss at the middle or the end.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 9:54 AM
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Two different female friends have told me that they had to break up with their boyfriends when they learned that the boyfriends sat down to pee.They lost all sexual attraction to them.

Are you sure your friends weren't using "the boyfriends sat down to pee" as a euphemism for "the boyfriends were really women"? Because otherwise this is incomprehensible.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 9:56 AM
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I interpret it to mean "I was checked out of the relationship, but hadn't admitted it to myself because he was a genuinely good person with lots of good qualities. So I found some coincident detail and attributed my turn-off to that."


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 9:58 AM
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Maybe the sitting-boyfriends sat down to pee, but still somehow got a bunch of urine on the floor. That would be something of a deal breaker.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 9:58 AM
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the middle of the night
That's when you use the sink. One of the times, anyway.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 9:59 AM
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"Wait, I'm dating a guy who can't not pee on the floor."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 9:59 AM
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Will lives in the south, right? Not to stereotype or anything, but southern women will buy this:
http://www.zappos.com/justin-tessa-black?channel=25

(fancy flip-flop with mirrored cross for decoration)


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:03 AM
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If you want to scrape your tongue while peeing, I think sitting down is probably the best option.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:04 AM
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I sit down to scrape my tongue, because I'm a phlegminist.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:10 AM
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13: UNG was a sitzpinkler. Just saying.

Talk to me about tongue-scrapers, Stanley. For all their unquestionable value in creating a kissable mouth, I have found I am incapable of using a tongue-scraper without inducing vomiting.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:15 AM
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Scrape the tongue, not the bottom of the barrel.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:16 AM
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31 was to 29.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:16 AM
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UNG was a sitzpinkler. Just saying.

He pitzed in the sink?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:16 AM
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Every single man on the planet does that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:17 AM
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Fungi? I don't even like the way you pee!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:17 AM
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Talk to me about tongue-scrapers, Stanley.

I don't actually use one. But the dentist said, in lieu of a tongue scraper, you can retire your old toothbrush to be your dedicated tonguebrush. But—and this important—definitely don't use the same brush for your tongue and your teeth, as you'll transfer tongue plaque onto the teeth.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:20 AM
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But but but but but.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:21 AM
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Brush your tongue with your toothbrush, and then use your tongue scraper to scrape off your toothbrush, and then clean your teeth with your tongue. Easy-peasy.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:22 AM
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transfer tongue plaque
I'm not sure any part of this makes sense.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:25 AM
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It assumes you're not letting your tongue touch your teeth throughout the day.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:26 AM
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39: I've probably vastly misstated the reasoning, but the take away was definitely don't do that.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:28 AM
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Obviously, don't let your tongue touch your teeth.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:29 AM
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Can plaque form on the tongue?
Can you actually transfer a plaque?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:29 AM
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Obviously don't let your pwn touch your pwn.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:31 AM
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43 before I saw 41. Substitute bacteria for plaque and it makes sense to me.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:31 AM
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43.2: If the plaque keeps its GPA up, it can transfer back to the teeth and save a bunch of money in tuition.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:31 AM
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44: I wasn't pwned. I was instructing.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:32 AM
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God help you if you try and give a libertarian a plaque.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:32 AM
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Scrape the tongue, not the bottom of the barrel.

This would be a great marketing slogan, emphasizing how the improved fresh breath will help you snag a more desirable man or woman.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 10:35 AM
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But then how would my cats come in and make a nest out of the pants around my ankles?

Oh, there is a great photo somewhere of my dad with a cat nestled in his underpants whilst he was on the toilet. I wonder if I could find it.

Anyway, enough of this gay banter. What about today's stage? Cav does look gorgeous in green.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 1:56 PM
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They each said it wasnt manly. To be fair, their comments were half in jest when talking about breakups. For each, it was something along the lines of "he was annoying in all sorts of ways..........and then I found out that he sat down to pee!"


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 1:59 PM
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Asilon, can you shoot me an email as per below.

Does scraping your tongue actually work better than working though a mouthful of Listerine?


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 2:00 PM
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I thought alcohol-based mouthwash was now recognized as counterproductive because it dries your mouth out, which promotes bacterial growth. But I could be wrong.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 2:11 PM
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But--and this important--definitely don't use the same brush for your tongue and your teeth, as you'll transfer tongue plaque onto the teeth.

Oh. Really? Oh. I hadn't read this thread until just now, and I'd been about to ask, of course: don't people just brush their tongues with their toothbrushes at the end of the tooth-brushing part of the thing?

Hrm. Well, okay. Two separate toothbrushes.

But you know, the tongue-brushing comes at the end; the toothbrush is not used again on the teeth until the next morning (or evening, as the case may be). Does plaque die?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 5:55 PM
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Does plaque die?

Every plaque dies. Not every plaque truly lives.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 8:17 PM
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For God's Sake, Stanley: what is plaque?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 8:27 PM
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I think plaque is the cause of gingivitis and I'm very impressed with swype for getting gingivitis on the first attempt.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 8:30 PM
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The wikipedia article on dental plaques is typically good. A plaque is a biofilm produced by bacteria to protect themselves. If left undisturbed after 3-4 days it turns into tarter which is much harder to remove (requiring dental tools). Gingivitis is the result of tarter forming underneath the gum line, where the bacterial activity causes abscesses.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 8:35 PM
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I dream of having two Gingivitii: one named Tar, and the other named Tar.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 8:37 PM
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Yeah, spelling. Now that I reread wiki, it's 10 days, not 3-4, and I was way off on gingivitis.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 8:39 PM
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Tartar control toothpaste! What a country.


Posted by: Opinionated 13th Century Comedian Who Sounds Like Yakov Smirnoff For No Plausible Reason | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 8:55 PM
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Russian comedian, of course.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 8:55 PM
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The Black Eyed Peas have a forthcoming song about the importance of using separate tongue- and toothbrushes.

It's called "Let's not get re-tartar'd".


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 9:01 PM
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Two different female friends have told me that they had to break up with their boyfriends when they learned that the boyfriends sat down to pee. They lost all sexual attraction to them.

Wow. I'm not as shocked as some commenters, but that is a bit depressing. Oh, well. I wasn't really feeling ready for a relationship, anyway.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 9:47 PM
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hm i thought plaque was just any mineralised biofilm


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 07-13-11 9:58 PM
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don't people just brush their tongues with their toothbrushes at the end of the tooth-brushing part of the thing?

Doesn't that make you gag? Or am I doing it wrong? Or do I just have an abnormally low threshold on my gag reflex?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:49 AM
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This has been a confusing thread. On the first mention of cats-in-the-underpants thing, I imagined a man who pulls his pants all the way down to the floor to pee, like little kids do. Then I thought, no, you sexist crumb, we're talking about ladies sitting down to pee. Then allofasudden we move to gents sitting down to pee. (For the record, I would probably dump a boyfriend who sat down to pee on a regular basis.) Anyway, I like cats and enjoy eliminating as much as the next person, but I don't think I could get behind my cat getting in my drawers while I'm peeing sitting down. Among other reasons, well, there's a witness.

I take a puerile pleasure from peeing in the kitchen sink when my roommate beats me into the bathroom on those I've-let-this-full-bladder-go-too-long sleep-in mornings.


Posted by: piminnowcheez | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 1:39 PM
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definitely don't use the same brush for your tongue and your teeth, as you'll transfer tongue plaque onto the teeth.

Also, I do not believe this.


Posted by: piminnowcheez | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 1:41 PM
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(For the record, I would probably dump a boyfriend who sat down to pee on a regular basis.)

Would you care to explain why? I'm very seriously genuinely curious.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 1:45 PM
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I take a puerile pleasure from peeing in the kitchen sink

Acrobatic (you're a woman, not a gay man, right?). Also gross, but acrobatic.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 1:47 PM
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69: Presumably s/he really enjoys little droplets of pee all over the floor.


Posted by: eliot | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 1:52 PM
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70: ? I could pee sitting down on a kitchen sink without any feats of acrobatics. You sit and pee. It requires a bit of a hop to get your ass up to counter height, but nothing approaching athletic, much less acrobatic.

Admittedly, I've never done this. But I'm very confident I could.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 1:56 PM
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I guess that could explain why they call the tile behind the sink a backsplash.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 1:58 PM
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Okay, acrobatic's overstating it a bit. But still, it'd be a process.

Admittedly, I've never done this. But I'm very confident I could.

I believe you said almost exactly the same thing about having sex on a moving bicycle.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 1:59 PM
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Is there an official list of reasons not to eat at urple's house that we shoudl update?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:00 PM
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Or to borrow his bicycles.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:02 PM
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Or let me type.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:03 PM
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But still, it'd be a process

I'm really not understanding this. It's just like an unusally high toilet bowl. But unless you're so short (or your counters are so high) that it would be a "process" to sit on your counters generally, I don't understand the difficulty you're contemplating.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:07 PM
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Gay man, so not so acrobatic (the clue was "puerile!")
Sex on a moving bicycle, now that's acrobatic.

71: Little droplets of pee all over the floor are a small price to pay for enjoying the very first instance of male privilege most boys discover in life.


Posted by: piminnowcheez | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:10 PM
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78: You either have an unusually small sink or an unusually large ass.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:12 PM
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Diapers are a privilege. Using the toilet is a responsibility.


Posted by: eliot | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:12 PM
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Hey, when I sprinkle when I tinkle, I wipe the seatie like a sweetie. What kind of cad do you take me for?


Posted by: piminnowcheez | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:18 PM
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But still, it'd be a process.

Are you kidding me? It would be trivial.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:23 PM
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78: This is a surefire setup for wacky EMT stories or that emergency room follies thread. "... the plumber and EMTs apparently decided it was less risky to disconnect the pipes and remove the sink from the counter than to ...
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It was only after the patient reported continuing pain that I thought to ask, 'Wouldn't there have been a spigot on this sink?"


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:23 PM
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84 even more pointedly to 83.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:24 PM
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79: Gay man, so not so acrobatic (the clue was "puerile!")

Hah, under the mistaken assumption you were a woman, I considered going all nosflow and correcting that to puellile.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:25 PM
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But so now that I have your gender straight, why no love for the sitzpinklers among your brethren?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:27 PM
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See comment 79.


Posted by: piminnowcheez | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:32 PM
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But why would you care if someone else chooses not to indulge?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:33 PM
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If you happen to be currently masturbating to the H/arvard professorship of M/arc H/auser, you should probably go ahead and finish.

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Posted by: John Tyler | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:34 PM
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78,83: No need to spell out the obligation to science implicit in these two comments.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:35 PM
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I can imagine some of the effort of a successful sink-peeing session to be getting as much of the pee as possible directly in the drain, as opposed to on the other parts of the sink. Because otherwise, ew, gross.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:37 PM
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Huh. That's funny, I'd had the vague impression that on investigation, it looked like his research might be kosher (or at least not fraudulent) after all.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:37 PM
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As soon as I'm moved into my own place, I'll piss in the sink, for science.


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Oh, you people are really going to make me be serious about this, aren't you. FINE.

We're not talking about any someone else, we're talking about a someone else who I'm supposed to be sexually attracted to. I'm attracted to masculinity, and sitting to urinate is profoundly unmasculine. Does it say anything important about someone's character? Of course not. And really, if I had myself a great boyfriend who happened to sit to pee, I wouldn't *really* dump him over it. But it would definitely fall in the "tradeoffs" column.


Posted by: piminnowcheez | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:40 PM
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How about a man from an Asian culture that uses squat toilets who squats to pee instead of just pissing into the bowl on the floor? Or is that what everybody does in a squat toilet culture?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:43 PM
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Apparently, lying about research results was rewarded on the veldt.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:43 PM
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Who among us doesn't usually have at least one dish or cup in the sink, waiting to be washed? Even if my bladder were full-to-bursting, that moment of washing and setting aside of the cup or dish would reawaken my sense of shame.

Also, with roommates, I've always tended to prefer knocking and pleading to pissing in my own sink.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:44 PM
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Who among us doesn't usually have at least one dish or cup in the sink, waiting to be washed?

Or a chesse grater?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:45 PM
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I'm not going to pee in my sink, but I might this evening go sit on my sink in manner as if I were about to pee, if only to prove to myself how very easy it would be.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:45 PM
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Dammit, for some reason I cannot find the link to the campaign about the Harvard maintenance people who are being unjustly harassed after years of service. Somebody else should find that and link to it. Alumni should call in and stuff.

P.S. Looks like Dayton is caving on the budget stuff here, so the State is going to come back in all its majesty and we can buy lottery tickets and MGD Lite again.

P.P.S. I am really pissed at my right-wing lesbian separatist sister, who is all over FB about how she's not a "bigot", just because she wants to discriminate against transgendered people. I am this close to shunning her.

Sigh.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:45 PM
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Cheese. Goddamnit.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:46 PM
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What if you're sitting down to crap? Is it effeminate to pee at the same time?

(Serious question. Well, I mean, mostly.)


Posted by: eliot | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:46 PM
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100: It's just like riding a bicycle.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:46 PM
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Sitting down to crap is profoundly unmasculine. Anyhow, who sits down in the shower?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:47 PM
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What if you're sitting down to crap?

Profoundly unmasculine.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:47 PM
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The only squat toilets I've ever encountered were in Japan, and I'm pretty sure most Japanese guys stand to pee in those. The general condition of those (relatively few) units stand as evidence in favor of that belief.

Then again, I can't imagine dating a Japanese guy for other reasons.


Posted by: piminnowcheez | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:49 PM
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100: I think you are making many assumptions about counters and sinks and their arrangements and slipperiness, and double sinks and tall spigots, and windows and what Jackmormon says and overhanging cabinets or lights (or lack thereof) and on and on.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:49 PM
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Obligatory link to TFA.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:49 PM
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107.last: Radioactivity.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:50 PM
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Then again, I can't imagine dating a Japanese guy for other reasons.

Irremedial sadness?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:52 PM
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that moment of washing and setting aside of the cup or dish

... moment of washing? Where do you think the aforementioned "puerile pleasure" comes from?

103: I never said anything about effeminacy. But, no.

105: I know, right?


Posted by: piminnowcheez | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:52 PM
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105: Thanks for bringing a clear new low.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:53 PM
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111: That's one.


Posted by: piminnowcheez | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:54 PM
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Btw, what's the new news on Mark Hauser? I couldn't find anything about new developments on the Google.


Posted by: piminnowcheez | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 2:57 PM
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Oh, shit, I was supposed to say M/ark H/auser. I hope a moderator will tend to that if it's important.


Posted by: piminnowcheez | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 3:00 PM
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I suspect John Tyler is either on the inside or has source on the inside or has tapped a bunch of phone mail.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 3:08 PM
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Good lord, people, urine is the least disgusting substance your body produces. It's sterile, barring illness, and water soluble. Kitchen sinks are germ factories and can only become cleaner with peeing.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 3:08 PM
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I can't really see what bad could happen if someone googled the guy and found this thread. I wouldn't sweat the google-proofing.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 3:08 PM
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118: In the future, when water becomes scarce, we will all be required to prerinse our dishes and clothes in urine before washing.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 3:09 PM
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My department is working on mandating that by 2017.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 3:11 PM
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120: Muad'DISH!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 3:11 PM
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I'm not going to pee in my sink, but I might this evening go sit on my sink in manner as if I were about to pee, if only to prove to myself how very easy it would be.

Flickr?


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123: Flickr?

Shakem.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 3:13 PM
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120: The rinse unit will be one of many ULB* 2.0 accessories that you can plug into your stillsuit.

*Universal Liquid Bus.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 3:18 PM
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Major foul on my part for assuming effeminate describes the same thing as unmasculine.

These days, I would think, going out of your way to press the advantages granted by a male gender identity makes you an asshole.

I'm not a sitzpinkler*, I'm a feminist.

* Tempting pseud, kinda.


Posted by: eliot | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 3:22 PM
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I don't think that finding the choice to sit while peeing unattractive in men amounts to pressing the advantages granted by a male gender identity, but I won't dismiss out of hand the possibility that I'm an asshole.

But in the case of this particular advantage, I feel like the low cost to those who don't have it make it that much worth pressing for.


Posted by: piminnowcheez | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 3:36 PM
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I wonder if this is how men who work at standing desks look at men sitting at their desks--as lazy, complacent sitzarbeiters.


Posted by: sitzpinkler | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 3:45 PM
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It makes Blume shake her head in exasperation when I say "Ich bin ein Sitzpinkler" in the manner of JFK (well, really in the manner of Mayor Quimby, but whatever)


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 3:49 PM
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101: If anyone knows anything about this and can provide a link, I'll write.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 3:59 PM
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I'm trying very somewhat hard to find pimminowcheez's distaste for men who sit to pee understandable. I guess I'd find it mildly surprising, but not much more than that.

I considered conceivably similar postural (if that is the right word) differences between the sexes: most of us recognize that women tend to cross their legs when sitting, while men might hoist one ankle up to rest across the opposite knee. I find the latter pretty uncomfortable myself, but acknowledge that it's a fairly masculine thing, in an, um, attractive way (to me).

Also, urple is so wrong about how easy it would be to pee in the sink. Someone else is probably wrong on the internet today as well, but I'm trying to take it easy.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 4:36 PM
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urple should listen to what is obviously the voice of experience.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 4:57 PM
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128 -- yes, yes it is.

Actually, I don't have a standing desk. But I did just check with my HR person about the possibility of installing one, and am going to do it. Blog commenting from the standing position here I come.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 4:59 PM
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132: Sister, please. I would never try a sink. That's just silly.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 5:06 PM
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I have peed in a sink, just not sitting on a sink.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 5:07 PM
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Has dona quixote disappeared? I miss her and want to know what's become of her.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 5:14 PM
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I guess I should have put an OT before that comment, but ffs, pissing in the sink? Really?


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 5:14 PM
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131: I don't know if this analogy is going to work, but I'll throw it up there and see what happens.

I think it's kind of like how a straight guy would regard chin whiskers on his sweetie. Lady beards: in the real world, they're not so uncommon, they're perfectly natural, most are pretty easily overlooked, and they nothing at all about the general quality of the bewhiskered. But the real world is not where sexual attraction lives; in that world, men have facial hair and women don't, and boys stand to pee and girls sit (is this not the first thing we ever learn about the difference between girls and boys?). You can consider the straight man who does not like facial hair on his lady an oppressive asshole if you like, and maybe you're right, but you shouldn't be surprised. She *could* just shave them off, and he *could* just wipe the seat after he pees.

I can't wait to see where this goes.


Posted by: piminnowcheez | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 6:02 PM
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What about posture when standing to pee? Do you prefer a gentleman who holds his back straight and stares, unblinking, at the wall, or are you more interested in a man hunched over in sensitive attention to his urine stream?


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138: I'm not calling you an oppressive asshole. I'm just surprised that this would be a particularly notable marker of, or for, sexual attractiveness, masculinity-wise. If you say it is, for you, okay, it is.

She *could* just shave them off, and he *could* just wipe the seat after he pees.

This confuses me. Were people saying that men who sit to pee do so because otherwise they'd sprinkle the seat, which is undesirable? (Men are supposed to raise the seat before they pee-while-standing, for one thing; also there was some talk upthread of sprinkling the floor, which, eww. Really, you guys?)


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 6:26 PM
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138: Shaving would create stubble. My college roommate did not have whiskers, but she did have some dark hair on her face had to bleach it.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 6:28 PM
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Peeing on the seat requires forgetfulness plus it doesn't work very well what with the seat being sloped. It just runs into the bowl or the floor.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 6:30 PM
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It's much easier to shave smoothly if you pee on your beard.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 6:32 PM
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139: Variety is the spice of life. Those are both great, but then there's the bow-backed, drunken arc-stream position, and the world weary forward-slouch with one hand against the wall. Not big on the hands-on-hips no-aiming position, though, even if an old-school wall-to-floor urinal justifies it. Too businesslike. I mean, lighten up and enjoy this little break from the day, right?

140: That's the impression I got, that it was about avoiding a mess. Aside from piercings or states of drunkenness that require it, I can't think of why else any(male)one would sit down.


Posted by: piminnowcheez | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 6:34 PM
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Peeing on the lid is the real mess maker. Peeing on the lid if the lid has a fuzzy cover is something that leaves you no choice but to climb out the bathroom window and never be seen by who ever it was that covered their commode's lid in muppet fur.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 6:36 PM
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My straightlady roommate always gets annoyed with me for putting the lid (not the seat) *down*. I never understood that, but maybe she's had some unpleasant lid-soaking experiences of the type you describe.


Posted by: piminnowcheez | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 6:38 PM
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144.1: both hands held high above the head and tears of joy streaming down the face? One hand held to forehead in strained psychic effort position? Clever use of an elastic band and binder clip-based aiming system? Behind the back trick shot?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 6:42 PM
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That polyester fluff gets wet without absorbing much water. Plus, it muffles the sound of urine on porcelain so it takes longer to notice.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 6:42 PM
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145: it's even worse if you take a dump on it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 6:43 PM
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144: Aside from piercings or states of drunkenness that require it, I can't think of why else any(male)one would sit down.

I probably wouldn't if I were male, but then again, I'm not male, so I can't know. I mean, I sit down to pee, and it's not really a burden the vast majority of the time. I would think it's easier to pee if you don't have to aim beyond just sitting down for a moment. Moby seems to have a lot of trouble with the aiming.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 6:45 PM
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"It splashes, people!".


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 6:47 PM
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I should probably find a medicine for my short attention span and easily distracted nature.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 6:47 PM
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Growing up with a dog who would always drink from the toilet bowl if given a chance led me to develop the habit of always putting the lid down on the toilet when it's not in use.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 6:49 PM
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149: Not if you get a firm one. That type of fabric doesn't absorb well and if you wipe quickly you might get clean away.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 6:49 PM
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154: but at that point why not just shit on the floor and pick it up in a bag? Save yourself all that trouble of finding the bathroom.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 6:53 PM
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I never remember a bag so I have to find somebody's washcloths.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 6:56 PM
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Huh, only six months ago. Somebody should chart the relative prevalence of pee threads vs. food threads.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:01 PM
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153: Yeah, that's a house rules kind of thing. A friend had a cat who for some reason liked to drop his toys in the toilet -- superballs and fluffy balls that he would otherwise bat around in play. He thought they should be in the toilet when not in use, it seemed. The house rule was just that the lid must always be put down.

pimminow's roommate probably found herself sitting to pee and realizing in the nick of time that she was sitting on the lid. D'oh!


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:05 PM
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157: In fairness, that thread evolved from a pee post; this thread evolved from a wholesome post about dentistry.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:05 PM
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boys stand to pee and girls sit (is this not the first thing we ever learn about the difference between girls and boys?)

Uh oh. I first taught both my boys to pee in the toilet sitting down, because two year olds who can't reach the toilet without standing on stools and who don't know what they're doing anyway have absolutely terrible aim. Have I ruined them? The older one now stands to pee, but his brother isn't there yet.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:05 PM
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Not big on the hands-on-hips no-aiming position, though, even if an old-school wall-to-floor urinal justifies it. Too businesslike. I mean, lighten up and enjoy this little break from the day, right?

Huh, I would have thought such a posture would be highly enjoyable. Hands on your hips, leaning back, hips jutted forward, junk out, piss flowing, come on, that's the posture of a man who loves life.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:07 PM
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When I was in Madrid, the locals would always laugh at me. "You Americans, you stand to pee. Here in Spain, we pee to stand."


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:07 PM
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Aside from piercings or states of drunkenness that require it, I can't think of why else any(male)one would sit down.

I don't think I've ever pulled down my pants to sit on the toilet and pee, because that would be a lot of work. But if I'm pantsless anyway, and the seat's down rather than up, sitting is less effort overall.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:07 PM
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Nobody teaches a boy to pee standing up unless they live outdoors. It isn't even funny how bad the aim is.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:08 PM
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I'm imagining this taking place not before a urinal of any sort, though, but rather in an open field or some such. Along a mountain trail.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:08 PM
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also there was some talk upthread of sprinkling the floor, which, eww. Really, you guys?

I take it you don't make it into a lot of public men's restrooms, but if you did you would find that this is not atypical.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:09 PM
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Throw up your hands/Stick out your tush/Hands on your hips/Give 'em a push/You'll be surprised, you're pissing all over the place/Voila!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:09 PM
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also there was some talk upthread of sprinkling the floor, which, eww. Really, you guys?

I take it you don't make it into a lot of public men's restrooms, but if you did you would find that this is not atypical.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:09 PM
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Although actually I suspect that that majority of what happens in public restrooms is deliberate vandalism, because no one could just be that bad at peeing.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:13 PM
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deliberate vandalism

fixed.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:13 PM
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Huh to 151.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:13 PM
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urple, have you experimented with your kitchen sink yet? It's for science.


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172: I just did, actually. Zero problems. I'm still not even understanding what exactly anyone is thinking might be even a potential difficulty here.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:32 PM
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Is your sink on an island or otherwise free of cabinets?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:39 PM
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Mostly what Stormcrow says in 108.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:41 PM
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Hands on your hips, leaning back, hips jutted forward, junk out, piss flowing, come on, that's the posture of a man who loves life.

All true, it's just the hand-on-hips part that I object to. Hands in pockets, or arms crossed sure, or better yet, hands on head, fingers locked -- you know, like felatio receiving position.

And urple, as far as I'm concerned, you didn't ruin your boys. But then, I want more gay guys in the world, so maybe I'm biased.


Posted by: piminnowcheez | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:49 PM
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My kitchen sink is a double sink with a tall arching/overhanging spigot, a dish drainer rack at one side, and a fridge on the other, with a window above it, and it often has a dish or two (or 10, if my housemate's home) in it. We're talking an area of opportunity that's not much more than a foot wide. I could do it in an emergency, I suppose.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:49 PM
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155: You forgot Poland.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 7:58 PM
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How does one make it to adulthood without having the sitzpinkel mocked out of them. I have a vivid and shamefulhazy memory of some child telling me in ~preschool that grown ups don't pee sitting down.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 8:00 PM
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Our sink is on a corner of the counter, so that might make it harder. It is back from the edge a bit more so there is less room in front of the cabinets.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 8:03 PM
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Mockery is overrated. Also, there are many different kinds of mancards.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 8:11 PM
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In the interests of science and acrobatics I tried to pee while L-sitting on the kitchen sink. My first attempt failed as I had insufficient pressure to overcome my necessarily tense core muscles, but drinking and the passage of time allowed me to build up enough of a head of steam and I succeeded, though I'd be lying if I said it was without spillage or that I had good form.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 9:48 PM
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Sometimes I think I overshare.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 9:52 PM
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For science!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-14-11 10:06 PM
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If you're an obsessive reader, sitting down allows you to keep reading with both hands - standing up means that you have to read one-handed, which makes it difficult to turn the pages or make notes.


Posted by: Thomas Aquinas | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 2:04 AM
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Eggplant gets five science gold stars and urple three, but one of urple's is taken away as a penalty for willfully obtuse overgeneralization about sink configurations.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 5:49 AM
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Go Eggplant. I would have tried, but my wife stayed where she could view of the kitchen until after I went to bed. Maybe she does read this.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 5:59 AM
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And doing the view of kitchen is hard work for hours at a time.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 6:15 AM
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+ "have" or - "of the"


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 6:19 AM
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We're talking an area of opportunity that's not much more than a foot wide.

How wide is your toilet??


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 11:35 AM
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That's not quite up there with "What Color Is Your Parachute?" but can I borrow that for an advice book I've been meaning to write?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 11:37 AM
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How wide is your toilet stance?


Posted by: Undercover MN Airport Policeman | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 11:39 AM
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I feel a bit of pride at the thought that I had a little something to do with Eggplant peeing in her kitchen sink, and for science no less. These are the moments when you rememer how interconnected we all are and every little thing we do counts.


Posted by: piminnowcheez | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 12:45 PM
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I believe Eggplant has a penis.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 12:48 PM
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I always forget that part of the Nicene Creed.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 12:51 PM
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195 is great.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 12:53 PM
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Apparently it only takes one sitting pee to unman you.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 1:03 PM
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I've never peed in a sink while conscious, but I have been part of a party of about two dozen who fetched up at a place with a catering kitchen after having no washing facilities for a few days, and we all took baths in the sinks.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 1:20 PM
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Just today I used a public restroom with a sign saying, "No Shaving, No Bathing, No Laundry."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 1:23 PM
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I believe it's more polite to pee into the dishwasher than into the sink.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 1:24 PM
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I believe it's more polite to pee into the dishwasher than into the sink.

But that brings us back to the standing/sitting question. Unless you have a top loading dishwasher.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 1:28 PM
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All this time, I've been peeing in the sink.


Posted by: Akbar (or Jeff?) | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 1:30 PM
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I think we should identify the kitchen appliance into which it is most polite to pee.

Not the toaster.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 1:38 PM
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Nor the percolator.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 1:41 PM
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I will now be unable to unthink the thought, "What would happen if you peed into the iron?"


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 1:41 PM
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How can you pee in the percolator without going back to 1975 to find somebody with a percolator?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 1:42 PM
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All I know is that only girlymen sit to pee in the stand mixer.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 1:42 PM
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I keep the stand mixer where it belongs. In its box in the basement.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 1:44 PM
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I believe it's more polite to pee into the dishwasher

Getting peed *on* is bad enough, asshole.


Posted by: Opinionated Kitchen Staff | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 1:46 PM
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I heard if you piss in the microwave you get super-powered pee, is what I heard.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 1:50 PM
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If your pee had a superpower, what superpower would you want it to have? Invisibility or flight?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 1:55 PM
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I think we should identify the kitchen appliance into which it is most polite to pee.

The egg coddler.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 1:56 PM
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Or maybe the ice cream maker? Urine sorbet at least has the advantage of not being particularly odiferous, I would wager.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 1:58 PM
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Oh, gross. That made me think about the ice cream maker and the maggots.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 2:06 PM
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Uh


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 2:25 PM
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I used to have an ice cream maker. Then there were maggots.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 2:28 PM
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216: Sounds more like an "I Scream" maker.


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I USED TO HAVE A LIFE. THEN THERE WERE MAGGOTS.


Posted by: OPINIONATED EVERYONE EVERYWHERE FOR ALL TIME EXCEPT MAYBE FROZEN CAVEMEN | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 2:47 PM
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I've peed in a sink. It's pretty easy.

I didn't teach my son to sit or stand - one day he decided he wasn't going to wear a nappy any more, and he just jumped up onto the toilet seat (facing the back) and squatted on the seat to pee. He did that for a while because he seemed happy, and then I gave him one of those little steps that people with small children have in their bathrooms, and he was away.

I assume my dad sits down because he's very lazy.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 3:09 PM
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Wait, which part is the assumption, the sitting or the lazy?


Posted by: piminnowcheez | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 3:56 PM
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I'm sitting down right now.


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203: I think we should identify the kitchen appliance into which it is most polite to pee.

Peter Petrie's Egg Separator.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-15-11 8:27 PM
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Momma used to love me, but she died. Then there were maggots.


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