Re: And no backtalk either

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Maybe someone forgot the "no hands" rule.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-24-11 8:05 PM
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i am still childishly never going to get over how great it is that spanish warns you right away what kind of sentence it's going to be. ¡don't get caught out reading this in a non-excited tone, gentle reader! ¿is this a question? ¡1¡¡11I want to know NOOOWWWW!!!11!!


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 07-24-11 8:30 PM
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It is very helpful! Especially with questions. I'd be down with adopting it, but only if there were a key on the keyboard. Not if I had to do the HTML every time.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-24-11 8:32 PM
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Your computer doesn't have an upsidedownification key? Lame.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 07-24-11 8:33 PM
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¿ǝpoɔıun ʇnoɥʇıʍ ǝq ǝʍ plnoʍ ǝɹǝɥʍ


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-24-11 8:37 PM
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I have to put on my anti-gravity hang from a bar boots, and hang from a bar, in order to see the text upside down. I'm thinking about rigging something up to just flip my computer, though.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-24-11 8:39 PM
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hang from a bar

Allow me to be the first to recommend Fresh Salt.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-24-11 8:40 PM
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Minor exercise triumph. I have just discovered that I can do three pull-ups with good form.

That may not sound like much, but what I'm excited about, and what's a long time to get to, in term of my form is being able to do it without tensing or constricting my neck at all and to keep my shoulders stable relative to my spine.

That feels like a real breakthrough.

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Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 07-24-11 9:18 PM
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That's awesome, Nick. It means your lats are getting strong. Good for sitting with pretty posture in formal dresses.

After you've done your set and your muscles are fatigued, try to do a couple more where you jump up to the top and let yourself down slowly. ("Negative reps") It'll help you build strength. I just got two pull-ups in a row. My trainer says that pull-ups four and five come much faster than two and three, so you may have more success coming up soon.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 07-24-11 11:33 PM
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i am still childishly never going to get over how great it is that spanish warns you right away what kind of sentence it's going to be.

It's pretty neat - and an effect that now exists in English, thanks to mock-HTML; things like [sarcasm] of course, no one will be picky enough to correct my grammar here [/sarcasm].


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 1:02 AM
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From a sign on a wall at an english language school: "Examples are better than precepts." Right, but . . . never mind.


Posted by: bjk | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 2:03 AM
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Good for sitting with pretty posture in formal dresses.

I'm afraid that I have too much body hair to pull that off (does that violate the command in the title of the OP?).

("Negative reps")

I think my next step, following what I've been doing so far, is to try to slow it down even more. The person that I've been working with is big on the idea of not using momentum to assist the motion (instead using lighter weights or more counterweight) so that you're working the muscles steadily through the entire range of motion. The more I slow it down the more I feel like it works muscles at different angles and in different combinations, and that seems helpful.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 9:16 AM
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True, and that'll help you. The thing with the negative reps is that they let you do more work when you can't do another pull-up. Even after you fail at pulling up to the bar, you can go through the range of motion a couple more times with negative reps.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 9:48 AM
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Is this the place where the kipping vs. strict pullup internet battle to the death happens? Because I'm ready to go.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:00 AM
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No, that's some other place.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:01 AM
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kipping vs. strict pullup internet battle

I think that battle is a little bit like the Southern California v. Northern California rivalry, where the Northern Californians are all hating all the time, and the Southern Californians are like, whatever, dude. Y'all are awesome with your trolleys and your clam chowder in a bread bowl.

The kipping pullers sound defensive, but I've only heard the strict side say, whatever, dude. If it gets you to the top of the bar. That'll help you do real pull-ups one day.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:08 AM
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I'd be interested on where you draw the line between kipping and strict. I'm still nursing my two-pullup capacity (had it up to four last fall, but backslid). Of those two, the first is pretty clean -- nothing much moves other than my arms -- but the second involves a certain amount of involuntary curling up. Is there some brightline beyond which respectable people would say "That one doesn't count?"


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:08 AM
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I do some curling up, but I'd think the line has more to do with using a swing to generate momentum.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:09 AM
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Does it feel like an athletic move using your entire body, or more like a body building thing where you're using a particular set of muscles? That's basically the dividing line.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:11 AM
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I should add, to 15, that my personal preference, when working out in the gym, is to avoid getting too invested into questions of, "how much weight can I lift" or "how many reps can I do" and to, instead, work lots of different exercises (mostly involving multiple muscle groups), at different angles and different loads and then be pleasantly surprised when, after a couple of months, I've gotten stronger.

It's been a big help for me to work with somebody who has a seemingly endless set of different things to try (all based around some basic core principles). For whatever reason, I'm just averse to using, "how does what I lift today compare to what I lifted last week" as a primary motivator.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:13 AM
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avoid getting too invested into questions of, "how much weight can I lift" or "how many reps can I do" and to, instead, work lots of different exercises (mostly involving multiple muscle groups), at different angles and different loads and then be pleasantly surprised when, after a couple of months, I've gotten stronger.

Good strategy. Try kipping pullups!


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:16 AM
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I do some curling up, mostly with my lovely wife and/or a good book.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:17 AM
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The problem with kipping pullups is that the only thing I can think of is when I hear the name is "How do you like kipping?" "I don't know, you naughty boy, I've never kipped."


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:17 AM
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19: After you do a bunch of kipping pullups, does any part of your body feel fatigued, other than the parts that would feel fatigued after a normal set of pullups?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:19 AM
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Yes.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:20 AM
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That sounds great, Nick. The full body lifts are wonderful. I didn't add up the weights on the bar for months, although I eventually grew interested in them.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:21 AM
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25: Abs and hip flexors?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:21 AM
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Ok then.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:22 AM
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27: lungs, mostly, ime, although maybe abs too.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:24 AM
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27 -- yes, generally lower back/core in addition to lats and arms. Though the lats and arms get plenty fatigued, too. I'm actually not great at kipping pullups due to my near-insane lack of flexibility, so mine are kinda somewhere in between a strict and a true kip. Still, I can probably do 3x as many kipping as strict (9-10 vs. 3 or so, truly weak; plenty of folks can do 40 unbroken reps of kipping pullups no problem).


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:27 AM
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Maybe I'll try to figure out how to kip. It'd be fun doing a larger number.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:30 AM
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It'd be fun doing a larger number.

The things you learn about people.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:31 AM
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I liked the thread where I was going to get pie better.


Posted by: CCarp | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:41 AM
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Made a pie last weekend with blackberries from the river near my house, my own honey, my Dad's lemons and exceeding smugness. It was tasty. Come on by and I'll make you another.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:48 AM
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Of course, you'll need to demonstrate some pull-ups before you get pie.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-25-11 10:49 AM
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kipping pullups

Pullups where you get to have a little nap in the middle! Awright, sign me up!


Posted by: One of Many | Link to this comment | 07-26-11 3:28 AM
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Good strategy. Try kipping pullups!

Will we never be delivered
From the clash of magazines,
Will the inkstand ne'er be shivered
Into countless smithereens,
Will there stand a muzzled stripling
Mute beside a muzzled bore,
Will the rudyards cease from kipling
And the haggards ride no more?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 07-26-11 3:42 AM
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"Every Bolsh is a blackguard,"
Said Kipling to Haggard,
"And given to tippling,"
Said Haggard to Kipling,
"And a total outsider,"
Said Rudyard to Rider,
"Their domain is a bloodyard,"
Said Rider to Rudyard.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-26-11 3:59 AM
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I note that LB is not only a paragon of learning but, unlike me, can be bothered to look things up and quote them correctly rather than relying on memory and getting them wrong.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 07-26-11 4:10 AM
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