http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiMQ981lph0
Not sure of too much about your bro-ham, but if I had a cabin in Wild and Wonderful West Virginia, I'd hang a framed picture of John Brown, just to be a conversation starter.
man, I said I don't want some russian shit (although the shotgun/revolver combo in 1 can hold 12 shells!). this is america. I want a gun more like this. with a wooden stock.
we have an awesome inherited staffordshire figure of john brown being admired by little black children (originally one of a pair, but unclear who was on the other.) maybe he could borrow it from my mom.
In keeping with the theme of preparing-for-the-apocalypse, what about a nice gasoline-powered generator?
You need a lot of firepower for zombies. Also, the first one was South African via Rhodesia, so you know it's serious.
I'm actually rather fond of the WVU logo, which adorns cars throughout the area. Maybe a nice hoodie with that on it.
8: ooh, the crazy shotgun revolver is from SA? OK, more interesting. I'm somewhat prejudiced against russian guns as being cheap and dirty, but if there's anyone who knows how to shoot some people, it's the south african military. well, not like the russians don't shoot people, but you know what I mean.
6: gasoline or diesel? I think diesel is a better generator, no? at least, that's what everyone has in asian 3rd world countries.
he is actually en excellent guitarist and bassist, and might like a banjo. less stopping power when it comes to zombies, but, you know, more useful overall, probably.
Holy moly, guns are expensive. Is ammo cheap?
A banjo would be an excellent gift.
You don't need much stopping power for zombies. Individually they are easy to kill. They overwhelm you with numbers, so you just need to keep your head, and don't listen to the rich guy who says you should hide in the basement.
I think a banjo might serve a useful signalling function, signifying that the household is likely to be armed.
[Post-apocalyptic bandits gather in the dusk around the lonely cabin.]
"Ready, Arlo? Ready, Ivan? Ready, Newt? Ready G-Bubya?"
"Ready."
[on the breeze a faint sound is heard]
"Shhh! What's that?"
[badalangdangdingdongdandang]
"Shit. Fuck. Move out guys, we'll try the next valley."
13: that's why the gun in 1 is so inspired; you can sweep 12 zombies right out of the way without reloading. what you do after that I'm not so sure about.
14: LOL. banjoes are so pretty (sounding), too. I could make him a bluegrass mix to go with it. as with most things, it could be way cheaper than a gun, or not...likely cheaper. plus convicted felons can buy banjoes.
15.1 that's why you need two of them. While you're firing one your brother is reloading the other one.
14 last -- I believe you mean the next holler.
Ammo is not cheap right now.
Reloading equipment and supplies will probably be much appreciated after civilization ends and the living come to envy the dead.
I think that one revolver shotgun in each hand is the way to go. So you'd need four.
If you got the illegal sawed-off version you'd get a wider spread and might be able to take out several at once. But your range would be diminished, so I guess you'd really need eight so you could switch to the sawed off version for when they came closer.
I think that one revolver shotgun in each hand is the way to go. So you'd need four.
Not necessarily. If post-apocalypse movies and television shows have taught us anything, it is that sooner or later, someone is going to lose a hand to the zombies/cyborgs/mutants/Communists/vampires/dinosaurs/megasharks.
For dealing with zombies and other home invaders, the lame Russian SKS shit is, in fact, perfect. It's not accurate and it ain't pretty, but it is easy to repair and the ammo is very very common. It's the white trash deer rifle. So he's actually fine on that front.
If he needs guns to hunt with, a nice, accurate .223 with a scope would be handy, because a good one will at least hurt someone at long range, the ammo is common also, and it's the perfect size for varmits, such as squirrels. Then a 20 gauge shotgun for duck and the like would be good. For a gun specifically for deer, I'm used to thinking in terms of the .30-06 but that's obsolete at this point, so I can't really help you.... as I recalled, the size to get appears to be a .308 for deer and serious sniping. (And if you're one guy trying to defend a mountain top, sniping is the way to go.)
Now that that's out of the way, I'd suggest a pricey and sweet compound bow for the Xmas gift, since you can buy it and ship it legally. Without any worried about any wandering LEOs encountering you talking about it. And any convicted felon can own one legally. (There I go being cautious in a country where infinite detention without trial is going to be legalized!)
Arrows are recyclable and you can make more, so you never run out of ammo regardless of how long it's been since the world ended, and they're real quiet and you can bring down a deer with one, although obviously, this takes some skill.
So a nice bow is my thought.
max
['Books are good. Manuals on survival are always handy when you're trying to survive.']
4: I'll defer to Gswift, but those Saigas seem to be all the rage right now.
11: Again, Gswift has forgotten more than I'll ever know on this subject, but my analysis is that this was a very clever move on the part of the ammunition manufacturers, in the wake of Obama's election, to permanently raise prices. Note that there was never any shortage of ammunition for the government, and commodities prices did not stay at mid-2008 levels for very long. Exceedingly suspicious, IMHO.
OP: How about some nice Gransfors Bruks logging tools? I'd get a froe and a felling axe right now if I could spare the folding money. The historical axes are pretty awesome too.
But if your heart is set on a gun, something like an 11-87 seems pretty decent to me. If it were me, I would probably just go with an 870, a 700 (rifle), a couple of .40 Glocks and a large frame S&W .357 revolver. Plus some silenced .22 Ruger pistols. And a .22 rifle for plinking. Then I would have some buddies for my knife collection.
I've also heard it advanced that the guns you'd want after an apocalypse would be an M-16 and a Beretta 92, as there would be ample supplies of ammunition and spare parts at every National Guard armory.
You can spend a fuck of a lot of money on banjoes if you want something nice.
21: IMO, Max has pretty much nailed down my thoughts on armament, though the .30-06 is not at all obsolete for hunting use. There are a great many different factory loads available for it and lots of handloading gear and info. Bows are good but the rate of fire is kinda low for dealing with zombies.
So. What else? My favorite and most-used outdoor gadget was my chainsaw. Good for clearing for building, after storms, getting firewood, Halloween, and zombies up close and personal.
Get him a good Stihl saw, the few necessary basic accessories, Kevlar-lined gloves, perhaps a safety helmet if he doesn't mind appearing wimpy. Then you can add more goodies every holiday.
Oh! Right. Remington 870 pump shotgun. It's not at all fussy about what one feeds it.
Guns for show, knives for a pro.
It's not at all fussy about what one feeds it.
Leftover oatmeal? Orange juice cartons? Sweetbreads?
All this NDAA 1301 stuff has definitely been stoking my gun itch.
Hard to go wrong with an 870. Last forever and a lot easier on the wallet. Something like this 887 lookes cool, comes with decent sights, and he could use rifled slugs to hunt deer. A little more classic all around package would be this two barrel setup (the barrel with sights is rifled for shooting slugs).
Ordering is easy (that site is great by the way, they're shipping me a levergun for Christmas) You order online from them and they ship to an FFL near your brother. They've got a list of FFL's they've got on file. When your brother picks it up the FFL they ship it to does the background check and paperwork for a fee, usually around 30 bucks.
Or if you want it wrapped and under the tree and whatever you could have any family member who legally buy a firearm pick it up.
I don't know enough about guns to pitch in on that front (just a cheap 30.06 and an ancient pump 20 gauge in my arsenal), but I'm with Natilo and Biohazard on the logging equipment front. But why not go all out and get him a Woodmizer? Portable sawmill FTW!
Re: lever guns, does anyone else remember Chuck Connors "The Rifleman".
If you have a gun it's always a good idea to have a woodchipper.
30: I've always wanted one of those too.
31: Sure. And I've tried the rifle-from-the-hip thing, the target was in very little danger.
34: Nothing homoerotic about that title sequence, nosir!
31: For all your nostalgic TV western shooting needs:
http://henryrepeating.com/rifle-mares-leg.cfm
35: Hell, I was seventeen when that show aired. I was much too busy thinking about sex to think about symbolic sex.
27 -- If it's any consolation, with Latif and its application of Hamdi, the train is already pretty well out of the station. And who's current accommodation would you rather live in, Salim Hamdan's or John Walker Lindh's?
I could make him a bluegrass mix to go with it.
You could start with a copy of my mostly-bluegrass mix.
(and 14 is awesome).
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The Saiga 12 is indeed all the rage right now. It's a nifty idea and can be goofy fun, but the build quality and reliability just aren't there. The 870 probably hits your price/niceness/practicality sweet spot.
40: The guy said nothing about shooting zombies.
But for about five times the price one can get build quality and reliability. I'm tempted, but I think I'll let my brother get one first so I can try his first.
I've always thought shotguns were less than ideal for zombie-specific applications anyway. The ammunition is heavy and bulky, range and magazine capacity are limited, and the recoil is way heavier than some other very practical options. An AR clone seems like a better solution.
It's actually within the Monongahela National Forest (dipping in like a little peninsula), so the mountaintops around him will presumably not be removed.
Yes, the mountaintop removal area is a fair distance to the south and west of the National Forest. I'm a bit curious as to what part of the forest it is in--it is a favorite area of ours. At times have thought of trying to wrangle a place, but the land prices reflect that its being quite accessible to DC and people with real money (and will be even more so now that the Rt. 50 freeway is being pushed through.
44: Yes. I decided on one of these for zombies and added a Tommy Tactical ACOG sight to give my old eyes a boost. I don't run quickly any more so I need some distance. If I put on a suit and tie and no one in L.A. notices me carrying it.
45: They're endemic in middle and upper management, Walt.
28: yeah, remington with wooden stock! what's this new-fangled "everything's covered with camo" shit? that said, a good chainsaw would be a great present. my daughters wanted to know why not a tommy gun? (we were discussing it because I was listening to "roland, the headless thompson gunner," and looking at hilariously counter-productive tommy gun silencers online. silencers.) "eh, it's just not the thing." younger daughter, anxiously, "but they're cool, right?" "oh, definitely they're cool." OK, so, all clear on that. learning what's cool from mom; there's a shelf-life there. sort of. not about guns though? I guess opinion questions could arise. maybe they'll be all up in that saiga shit like how they're driving me crazy with K-pop right now.
I'm STILL hoping for that BB gun.
I'm not 100% sure my bro can, in fact, go pick up a gun. it's possible to plead out and avoid jail time but still not be able to buy a gun? wait, that sounds like it runs counter to our cherished freedoms. even convicted felons can buy guns, right? guns, but not vote? that doesn't sound totally right either fuck it, I'll make his gf go.
42: OMG sweet M4!
any family member who can legally buy a firearm
yeah. well. I'm sticking with the girlfriend.
I've always wanted one of these, that and an Exocet:
Not so good for zombies, but if you have a dispute with a neighbor it should do the job.
This would be better, of course. But there's no freedom in this country.
The really sad part of this whole thing is that I, the ToS, actually have extensive weapons training in real life, courtesy of the US gummint. I was a sniper! No shit, here. Really kind of a bummer if you think about it too hard. Let's go back to dreaming about the BB gun.
the carl gustav is the shit but oh my god I never knew we had a single-man gun that could shoot nuke-tipped anything!! that is so fucking awesome. recoilless gun for cute little nukes!! they're so cute like bombs from a cartoon! that's practically starship troopers hand grenade/mini-nuke level of awesome.
stihl doesn't want to ship its chainsaws anywhere; they want me to prepay and someone goes to get it from the dealer. fuck, I might as well get him a fucking shotgun if they're going to be little bitches about it. but for like 700 I could get him a really nice chainsaw. I still don't know what a "froe" is, so I don't know if I want to buy one or not. lemme go see. it's not going to be as cool as that davy crockett gun, though, whatever it is.
49: OK, so, all clear on that. learning what's cool from mom; there's a shelf-life there. sort of. not about guns though? I guess opinion questions could arise.
They could. I'd go with banjo or chainsaw or something. It's going to be a cabin, as yet unbuilt -- where's this "chest freezer" going to reside? What kind of cabin is this? What's with the guns? It is way too premature for that.
A friend who has a cabin in, I think, South Carolina, says his best accoutrement ever is his bread machine. He arrives for the weekend, sets up a batch of flour and yeast and related ingredients in the thing, sets the dial and goes about his business, clearing mud or brush or zapping things with a chainsaw, and playing his stringed instrument at odd moments. Devours the whole fresh loaf by the end of the weekend. Guns are overrated.
Oh, I see the chainsaw idea has legs.
If I had to chose between being in a cabin with a guy with a gun or a guy with a banjo, I'm thinking I'd go with the gun unless he had at least two murder convictions in his past.
it's never too early in cabin construction to have a gun, parsimon; what if someone tries to steal your building materials?! naw, tools would be more obviously useful. if I could easily get him a good chainsaw and gloves and stuff I think that would be an excellent gift. a banjo is difficult in that it sort of obligates him to practice in order to make use of it, and he may not feel like learning it right this minute, even if he would eventually.
That cute little nuclear gun the taxpayers paid for is regarded as having no military use. Rather than just junk them and waste millions of dollars of taxpayers money, couldn't they be sold to people who could put them to civilian use? The government is bankrupt and we really can't afford not to.
Actually, I rather like Jewish people.
And you know another group of whom I am unusually fond? Graduates of Stanford University.
Isn't the girlfriend competent to go to a dealer and buy the stuff? If she can fill out the forms and pick up a gun she should be able to handle a chainsaw transaction.
ha ha, no, he never murdered anyone, obviously, but it's conceivable he trafficked in such substances that when over a certain amount generally one etc. and mumble illegal loaded guns in dc limits mumble something. but it's also possible he was just misunderstood. serial GTO but as a minor, so, you know, who's counting? I do believe he partially talked his way out of one set of charges on the grounds that it would make it impossible for him to pass the bar. white privilege everybody!
62: If he's just learning, I'd go with the gun regardless.
As the wiki sxplained, the nuke doesn't actually need to be aimed, you just have to make sure that the projectile doesn't land within a mile or so of you. So it might be a good starter weapon.
Is anybody else watching this debate? They are all really swinging hard at each other. Stephalufugufunus is the king troll moderator.
a banjo is difficult in that it sort of obligates him to practice in order to make use of it, and he may not feel like learning it right this minute, even if he would eventually.
As opposed to a chainsaw or a gun?
70: Again? They just did one last week or whatever.
If Sthil won't cooperate perhaps Husqvarna will. They make good stuff too.
73 is a double-diamond pun challenge.
71: Teo, it's a whole lot easier to learn to elicit screams with a chainsaw or gun than with a banjo.
I'm watching!
Romney just tried to force Perry to make a $10,000 bet about what Romney said in his first book. It was a horrible moment. Romney had his hand out to shake and everything. It was so immensely dickish that I actually liked Perry for his answer: "I'm not in the betting business."
Eh, if the debate isn't on broadcast media or NPR, no, not witnessing. I figure the vast swathe of the American public isn't either -- it's all going to come out in post-debate he-said/she-said.
That said, I thought this one should probably be more interesting. Kind of interested to know whether Romney chokes when Newt isn't intimidated by him.
You guys should totally live-blog this.
No Carl Gustavs in the debate room, please.
Crazy motherfuckers! Right there on my TV screen!
When Newt Gingrich sounds the most sane you're really cooking with gas!
I'm also on Team Don't Watch the Debates, but you guys already knew that.
Jackmormon: Focus groups felt that Perry was substantially more dickish than Romney, so Romney's consultants told him to dial it up.
Were there this many debates in any primary in the past? I don't pay that close of attention, but this seems way out of line with previous years.
Josh Marshall is totally right:
"Still hard for me to get a read on this debate. Newt's defense is heavily aided by the clownish nature of his opponents. I've never been taken with this idea that Newt's some kind of genius. I think he's more pretentious than genius, though some people seem to confuse the two things. But look, he's a smart guy. He's a clever guy. And in most cases he can just dance around these folks without breaking a sweat -- even when he's pretty much wrong on the facts."
The line so far that will be on the news from Gingrich after Romney said he wasn't a career politician: "Let's be candid. The only reason you didn't become a career politician is you lost to Teddy Kennedy in 1994."
79: You know, I'd just begun to figure that out. I don't think I can take it. Radio I can do.
And Michelle Bachmann went on a weird rant where she said "Newt Romney" about 50 times in 5 minutes.
84: I wish I had a job were I could tell someone to be a bigger asshole to everybody except me.
A murder of crows.
A gaggle of geese.
A cete of badgers.
A smugness of buckets.
A dipshit of Republican candidates.
Stephanistififalo is asking them about cheating on their wives.
Yeah, Josh Marshall got it right there. I'll read TPM's livestream ... and who's that guy at the Guardian who's so incredibly snarky in liveblogging these things?
92 to 86, and I guess I'll stop lagging behind the thread now.
Stephanabobo is a special kind of crappy.
Wait, are we othering the Greeks?
Diane Sawyer seems like she took half a tab of Xanax too many.
Making sense and all, but stuck in low gear.
Violating your mother is a sovereign right.
Gingrich saves teh real crazy for other venues apparently:
Newt Gingrich received a standing ovation from the audience at a Republican Jewish Coalition meeting on Wednesday for promising to appoint John Bolton to be secretary of state if elected president.
I have gone over to look at this thing, and I can't help but notice: Mitt has a blue background behind him, while Newt has a red one. That seems ... weirdly not right in terms of staging.
I'm sure it doesn't mean anything, but really, someone made a problematic call in terms of stage design or something.
... and mumble illegal loaded guns in dc limits mumble something....
Gimmick infringement! Falls count anywhere! Please, no wagering.
Stephanabobo is a special kind of crappy.
I think that whenever I see him at the gym.
Does Gingrich have some sort of partial hair piece?
The nominees are tied up in knots over the question whether there's anything government should do at all by way of public information/education campaigns (like about healthy living, including, I suppose, regulating food labeling and stuff). No! Nothing! says Ron Paul. Federal government is an exercise in the force no matter what, which is uncool!
Um ... no! It's up to the states! says Rick Perry.
You have to admire Ron Paul in his way.
It's become increasingly clear that Ron Paul is working within the party. He has been absolutely co-opted; the others are using him to pretend that they are also for "individual liberty."
102: Yeah, but it's such a great gimmick!
Mumble hailing from Mumble, Mumble coming to the ring in the mumble trunks mumble weighing in at mumble the Mumble Kid mumble.
104.1: I don't know. He made a statement late on (just a little while ago) about nonviolence being the way of things - I missed the full context. I was surprised.
It doesn't seem to me that anyone else is pretending to agree with his foreign policy views.
if ron paul were really for individual liberty he would let me and emerson have those old davy crockett mini-nukes.
Yeah, I don't understand it. I guess the 2nd amendment doesn't mean anything any more, even to Ron Paul.
I was just thinking, the Davy Crockett kills everything within 500 feet and most things within a quarter mile, it would seem important to make sure that the propellant was fully effective. If it fizzles the payload out there 400 feet you'll have a serious problem.
But propellants aren't the kind of thing that you can test and then repack.
The maximum range of one of them is 1.25 miles, and its killing zones is .25+ miles, which doesn't strike me as a satisfactory margin of error. If you got the angle wrong one way or the other it would fall closer than 1.25 miles, beside the possibility of fizzling.
Entropy is a shit about that kind of thing.
112: There is, no doubt, an altitude/time in flight arming device in the warhead. Just don't aim yours straight up.
Ron Paul seems a lot older than he did four years ago.
117: It happens like that after 70. The decay is very non-linear IMX.
88: Michelle Bachmann went on a weird rant where she said "Newt Romney" about 50 times in 5 minutes.
Win one for the Gipper!
76: I actually liked Perry for his answer: "I'm not in the betting business."
"I'm in the straight-razor business," he continued, "and you don't want none a that kind of business!"
being in the atomic strike force there would be a high-risk occupation. how shielded are the little fucks even to just carry around? I agree the range of maximum fire should be longer relative to the "everything within a quarter-mile is dead" range.
119: I thought that every single time she said it! It was like a pep rally. GO GET 'EM, MICHELLE!
Also, which spouse is furthest down the uncanny valley: Marcus Bachmann or Callista Gingrich?
After I saw this photo, Callista Gingrich became forever associated in my head with The Chicken Lady.
I say, a Vestfrost & some panels, maybe a Pelton wheel.
Hey, al, I don't want to get between you and your Gatling gun, but you know what makes a really nice present for someone who's going to build a cabin? A wood stove. They rock. And there are some really beautiful ones made by Jotul. Time is running out! Get your tax credit today! Or get a shotgun/chainsaw combo and remake Evil Dead. Whichever.
yeah, a wood stove would be great, but it seems like the kind of thing you would really want to choose yourself, since you have to look at/feed it all the damn time. also, think: it's my family. we're more the chainsaw/shotgun type, you know?
upon looking I see we have a froe at my dad's house to split firewood but it's called something else in SC. fuck if I know what. useful, though, for sure!
now I want to get it just so I could be like: bro, I got you this sweet froe.
Plus if you get the right kind of wood stove, he can generate electricity!
I actually liked Perry for his answer: "I'm not in the betting business."
A better one: "I don't bet money."
Damn it, John, you were supposed either to (i) reference that Chekhov story or (ii) The Deer Hunter. Didi mau, Perry!
116: Just don't aim yours straight up.
Three siblings I knew from a rather tough family would on occasion shoot an arrow straight up into the air and then run around their backyard screaming like banshees until it came down.
A better one: "I don't bet money."
"Like most people, I don't carry ten thousand dollars in my wallet just to throw around."
There were no Gatling guns at Wounded Knee. They were M1875 1.65 Hotchkiss Mountain Guns. Anti-gun New World Order liberals get *everything* wrong.
I saw that on the internet, so it must be true.
As a bonus, here is the New World Order map, made by a private individual in 1943 or so.
Note that the US stretches from the Canary Islands to the Philippines.
137 was a quote from which candidate's foreign policy answer last night?
And extending into Sulawesi, just to remind the British Commonwealth of Nations who's boss.
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137, 138: Yes, per point 4 of the policy at the bottom of the map:
For reasons of history, economic structure, favorable geography and the welfare of mankind, the U. S. A. must, altruistically, assume the leadership of the newly-established, democratic world order.
The mustache and stupid cliches of the governor of Iowa sap me of whatever belief I might have had* in the good faith and sense of Iowans.
* I had none, but I suppose in some orthogo-parallel universe I might have had some.
143: Ya gotta know the territory.
136.3: Part of some ahead of its time alternate reality WWII zombie fic? Notice the quarentined Germany, Italy and Japan.
What's the realistic total cost on building a modest but usable mountain cabin? I have fantasies of buying land and building a wait out the apocalypse cabin in Shasta county; land prices are low but it's hard to really price the cabin construction costs.
alfrek, we've already discussed in the thread the fact that zombies are real. this is a safe space, man.
And the Che t-shirt in the Merch section.
OT: If any of you reprobates is bidding on vintage pocket squares on eBay, back the hell off. That Holland & Holland is coming with me.
What I meant to post. Fuck this HTML stuff.
146: it isn't the building, it's the utilities. How little water can you live on? Can you get a standard well rig there? Will you tend a compost toilet? Will those use all the power innate to the site? If it freezes or pours, are you capable of doing light toad repair or willing to live blocked in until the pros are available?
Road repair! Toads are expert's work at all times.
Just lick the toads and stop worrying.
146: Yeah, it really depends on how much you want to do, what your minimum standards are and whether you've got any building codes to worry about.
I've seen cabins built almost for free, or for a very minimal cost in materials, and then some people spend fifty grand to build basically a very small conventional house.
Some resources:
http://relaxshacks.blogspot.com/
143: The mustache and stupid cliches of the governor of Iowa
That man is truly awful. I'm coming down from my bout of watching the Sunday morning shows now, but did see him for 5 minutes or so this morning, and oh my, he had trouble noticing what the actual question was. Though the Gov. of New Hampshire last week was approximately the same. It's a thing.
156: I'm about a mile from Occupy Pittsburgh. The deadline to move was two hours ago and I just saw the police's armored vehicle moving that way.
Branstad is actually an old fashioned sane Republican. The Tea Party doesn't like him at all.
161: Really? He doesn't present well -- he was basically ranting repetitively about how horrible Obama is and how unacceptably he's destroying the country, and how we need to roll back regulatory controls (Dodd-Frank is killing Iowa businesses, and the federal tax burden is destructively high) -- but to be completely fair, he's probably not used to being headlined on national television.
Why doesn't the Tea Party like him?
The Saiga 12 is indeed all the rage right now. It's a nifty idea and can be goofy fun, but the build quality and reliability just aren't there.
Yeah, I bought one for professional use and I've spent quite a bit on upgrading parts. The drum mag alone is over 100. My interest is in having a dedicated high capacity slug gun for active shooter and/or certain types of standoff situations. Carbines are light and have better capacity but being able to breach on the move is a hell of a capability. Only a few of us on the dept. with Saigas though, and mine's still a work in progress. Jury's still out on final results.
How about that KSG though? Do you think it will stand the test of time, or is it just a cute gimmick?
Old fashioned sane Republicans weren't that great. Orrin Hatch is one, for example. Btanstad has tried to govern Iowa in a conservative but not kamikaze way, rather than just repeating Norquist slogans.
What gives me pause on the KSG is that it's a pump that AFAIK doesn't have a recoil reduction option. Slugs are punishing as hell and on an 870 you can throw on one of those Enidine recoil reducers. I bought one for my Saiga, I'm sawing off the back tang and putting on this adapter to mount the Enidine on.
But maybe for bigger guys the slug recoil isn't as big a factor. For me, cranking off 14 slugs is not fun.
163: You're allowed to buy/modify your own weapons for professional use? This seems weird to me -- does someone have to approve them, or how does that work?
"The spikes are my own little improvement to the handcuffs."
Not all departments are as flexible as mine on that stuff. There's an approved list you can select from on basically any firearm. Rifles have to be the basic AR/M4 format. Shotguns can be Remingtons, Mossbergs, Benelli's, Berettas, and now Saiga's have been added to the list. The mods have to be safe and be approved by the training unit. Handguns can be a Glock, S&W, Sig, or a 1911. I think technically Beretta 92's are also approved but I've never seen anyone carrying one.
And apparently I'm using the NYPD spray and pray method on apostrophes.
But the Davy Crockett? Nooooo!
But the Davy Crockett? Nooooo!
Ha, just the other day one of the older Lieutenants who handloads a lot of the same revolver rounds I do was talking about how awesome it would be if leverguns were on the rifle list.
170. What the fuck does a cop do with a shotgun in the line of duty? I mean, rifles, handguns, sure, but you might as well carry an arquebus...
Shotguns are the best guns of all.
Shotguns are the best guns of all.
I bet arquebuses are better. But not for policing.
174: Slugs: High knock-down, short range, low penetration.
High knock-down, short range, low penetration.
I can't tell whether this is hott or not.
In hunting shotguns are safer than rifles because of the short range. A rifle or pistol shot in a city often hits someone far from the target.
178: It's pretty common for drunk guys.
You guys carry breaching rounds for the shotguns, gswift?
Have you shot the Beretta 92? I actually found it to be nice for range shooting, but a lot of people seem to hate it. Bonsaisue and I have a P226 for sport shooting. It is a nice one.
Chris, you may have a dated conception of "shotgun" or something. Shotguns are what Americans have instead of reasoned discourse. A semiautomatic modern shotgun is very different from a fowling piece.
re: stoves - coal works much better than wood. Get a couple of those big ass tiled central European things, with a kitchen version (stovetop, oven, heater) and then just the heater versions and you'll be all nice and toasty. Warmer and a lot less time spent feeding the damn thing and less ash to clear out. One truckload of coal should last you a winter and it's not like it has to travel far.
What is a breaching round? It sounds cool.
OT: It occurs to me that my occasional sneer in the direction of xkcd needs a positive counterpoint: e.g., today's Sinfest.
185: To shoot locks and force doors.
187: Especially useful when mice get in your house and put up little locked doors, allowing you to shoot as you say, "Why must you be such a little breach?!"
You guys carry breaching rounds for the shotguns, gswift?
The SWAT guys have them but patrol doesn't. But that's the beauty of slugs. Can be used to breach in a pinch. And unfortunately we've already had one active shooter at V. Tech up his body count by chaining doors shut. A slug can blow a chain or a lock right off.
Have you shot the Beretta 92? I actually found it to be nice for range shooting, but a lot of people seem to hate it. Bonsaisue and I have a P226 for sport shooting
Sig makes a lot of nice guns. I shot a 92 years ago and find them a bit clunky. The new Smith and Wesson M&P's are nice. Cheap like a Glock but better ergos. Definitely can tell where they enginee
What the fuck does a cop do with a shotgun in the line of duty?
What Biohazard said. The rifled slugs from Federal are flying very straight and someone could body armor up and it won't matter. Not that the slugs penetrate but when your sternum bounces off your spine it's doesn't much matter. Those slugs put a 3 inch dent in the helmets as well.
Haven't yet caught up, but the two guns I want are the Mossberg 500, all stainless steel and well suited for use on a boat for repelling pirates and the like, and the TP-82 triple barreled gun from the Soyuz survival kit. It's two smoothbore shotgun barrels over a rifled pistol barrel and the stock doubles as the sheath for a machete. It's necessary because the Soyux return trajectory sometimes puts the crew way off in the middle of nowhere and it's bad press to have your astronauts eaten by bears. Unfortunately it's no longer carried because all the ammunition has expired and they've switched to some boring-ass Makarov or something.
It's bad press to have your astronauts eaten by bears after they've landed. Having them eaten by moon-bears would be great press.
Alexei Leonov found this to be a very real threat returning from the first spacewalk - things went badly wrong just after he returned from the EVA, they had to carry out an emergency re-entry and ended up 900 miles off target, he and his comrade spent two nights in the snow listening to wolves howling in the forest.
the Mossberg 500
One of those with a pistol stock is the only shotgun I've ever fired. The range charged you an extra dollar if you damaged the wooden frame that held the target. We prepaid it.
195: The trouble with a pistol grip of the modern type is the recoil mostly goes straight back into the wrist. That's fine and dandy with a light rifle round or a pistol up to about a .45 ACP. I needed NSAIDS after using one on a 12ga.
the Mossberg 500, all stainless steel and well suited for use on a boat for repelling pirates
Remington makes a marine version of the 870, and while you'd think it'd be 6 of one, half a dozen of the other, try taking down and putting back together a Mossberg sometime. It frequently involves a lot of swearing and heartfelt vows that when you get the damn thing functional you're going to chamber a round and go find a Mossberg engineer.
This is the best look I have seen on this blog so far. Chic and elegant. Keep this up.
