The first time ogged said I was totally banned I was worried about what that would mean.
I have no recollection of why I originally delurked. I know that I started reading during the whole Bitch is Banned nonsense, and I suspect that I commented overearnestly to begin with. Or maybe I tried to quip?
The only things I have bookmarked are a couple of comments explaining me-related in-jokes/background. Oh, and at one point I bookmarked stras being really naive/ignorant about Social Security so I could rub it in his face later. But he left instead, so I'm not sure I still have that bookmark.
I started feeling like an insider here after I got in a huge pissy fight about Bitch being banned; I sort of assumed I was going to be kind of unwelcome after that, and was really surprised not to have been made unwelcome for it. I'm trying to think of missteps other than that, and pretty much I've been flawless since.
I never lurked. I don't have that level of self-control.
Oh, me neither. I wandered by, said something opinionated about Irish coffee, told Ogged to date welders, and it was off to the races.
Looking back, I see that I got my fruit basket at the same time as Stanley and dagger aleph. Distinguished company.
I had this thread bookmarked on my old computer. I'm not sure exactly how long I'd been reading Unfogged at that point. It only took me four more years to delurk.
Here. I"m actually not sure if there was a specific comment or the thread in general. But I note that the final comment (from I don't pay) says
MY thinks Obama's dissembling, and is perfectly liberal, just good at appealing to the myriads of people who hate liberals while they would welcome and support liberalism.Interesting that what every bien pensant internet liberal now says is that of course s/he always understood that Obama was no liberal, and that only self-deluding fools thought he was. Hmm.
But yeah, I never lurked either. I did read the posts occasionally before ever looking at the comments, and was sort of baffled by what the point was.
The first time I delurked was to play Botticelli, and I won (I will admit that I cheated a little). The classical scholars probably know the relevant quote from Virgil.
I can't even figure the timeline for when I started. I'm fairly certain this place was already cutting into my productivity when I was at my last office job, but I left that in September of 2005. When I look at threads much older than that, it seems like prehistory.
Maybe I commented during the Bitchaha but didn't read regularly for awhile after that?
Can we pinpoint when we started calling one another "racist"?
When was Bitchaha? I definitely found Unfogged via Bitch, but I'm not sure of the timing.
Actually, it was around December 2005. But I don't know how that fits with the Unfogged storyline. At any rate, I lurked for another 6 months or so.
The first time I ever de-lurked was now, to ask if "rat orgasm" as a measure of utility was invented here. I keep chuckling at how clever that is.
17: That was the venerable Emerson in a thread here, yes, though I can't remember which one.
16: I'm amused by how accurately the thread matches my memory.
I have three threads tagged
http%3A//www.unfogged.com/archives/comments_7343.html%23611637
and
http%3A//www.unfogged.com/archives/comments_9898.html%231057380
and
http://www.unfogged.com/archives/comments_11778.html#1386454
It looks like delicious has a couple dozen threads that anyone at all has saved, mostly 2007-2008.
I think I arrived at Unfogged via this post, which means I've been commenting here for nearly nine years. If I put as much time and effort into anything else, I'd probably have a graduate degree already.
As for favourite Unfogged from yesteryear (aside from the music threads): I don't have the threads bookmarked, but the saga of the Kriston Capps-bots vs. the Clinton Yates-bots in FishbowlDC's "Hottest Media Types" contest was pretty great.
Mentioned in the body of a post! I'd like to thank the Academy...
I started to chime in during some other thread, I think the ferret thread, about my delurking experience but then my gnat-like attention wandered.
Actually my very first comment was about something else, if memory serves, but I don't want to narrow it down too much because I changed pseuds after a few comments, having heedlessly delurked almost immediately after starting to read, and then having quickly realized what a bad idea that was.
Of course, everyone knows that I de-lurked to fuck you, clown. I think I had been vaguely aware of the blog before that, through Dr. B and Frowner, but it was Frowner suggesting that I would enjoy writing some doggerel for that thread that actually got me to comment.
I do feel a little bit bad about some of the early flame wars that I was provoked into participating in. Despite the fact that I was almost always right. I think there was less consensus & community in those days (ca. 2006-7), and so it felt more appropriate to really excoriate people. Which I've tended to refrain from doing in the recent past. I do wish I'd been a little more charitable to Lord Catsock last year or the year before when we had that brief flame war (including other people too), but I guess it is all trolling under the bridge now.
"Social bookmarking" of unfogged on pinboard seems to be almost entirely the work of DeLong and Cosma. But also this painter bookmarked that thread.
Also I think I got my fruit basket (in current pseud) at the same time as Blandings, apparently causing LB some consternation: two misters. Bad pseud policy.
Unfogged found me, which is moderately disconcerting to someone who wasn't all that familiar with blogland.
I started chatting right away though, to assert that McCain is right and white people won't do farm labor for any money, which I still believe.
Does 25 really need to re-link to me being an embarrassing newbie? Is this the new rick-rolling?
I also confused Smearcase and Blandings, early on. It was just the timing.
OP.2: I'm pretty sure I delurked on one of HG's puzzle posts in 2008 after lurking for three or four years. The puzzle and solution made PK extremely upset, which I suppose counts as an initial misstep of sorts.
My commenting frequency has been pretty low since then, though. I generally feel either that I don't have a lot to say or else that I have a lot to say, neither of which is ideal.
I believe I delurked to discuss Homeric vocabulary, though I may have said something else before then. After that, I went through a painfully long phase of feeling inadequate and being apologetic commenting when not worthy to do so until LB shook some sense into me and told me to stop. I'm pretty sure I never commented under my real name in the '02-'04 time period, but I was a fairly consistent reader then and at various times after.
I don't remember delurking, but remember being pissed off that apostropher was forsaking his own blog for this Unfogged thing. Eventually I checked it out, and decided it wasn't so bad, even if there aren't quite as many cock jokes.
I confused lots of pairs of people for no apparent reason. Stanley and Apostropher for instance.
(My favorite post in my I guess now two years was the octameter one, this being the one where the sense of "unfogged is collectively smarter than me about every possible topic and better than me at everything" that I'm told is not uncommon dissipated and I felt like I was playing a game equally matched.)
remember being pissed off that apostropher was forsaking his own blog for this Unfogged thing
Yes, I was baffled by that for several years as well.
|| OMG, the Skatalites did a cover of Guns of Navarone. Great. |>
30: My commenting frequency has been pretty low since then, though.
It's okay, we know you're just an Ewok. It's the soft bigotry of low expectations.
|| OMG, the Skatalites did a cover of Guns of Navarone. Great. |>
They did indeed. It was my soundtrack in 1994.
I confuse most people with each other, having never met anyone. The earliest thing I can remember participating in is "Fuck you, clown".
This is my favorite of my own comments. Others being capable of great feats of wordplay have far surpassed it.
35: Yeah, it's kinda one of their signature tunes. In my mind at least. "Hi-Bop Ska" was the first ska album I ever owned (mother bought it for me for Christmas after I had shown interest in the LP of "Two Sevens Clash" that my parents had bizarrely purchased on a date night. Like, they owned no other Jamaican music, but they went to a local pizza restaurant, near an equally venerable local record store, and came home with some excellent leftover pizza and that record. I believe that was the night that I had my sisters rolling on the floor with my humorous rendition of Hamlet's graveyard soliloquy.)
I don't think I lurked for very long after finding this place. It's not a thing I usually do. Either I read comments threads and participate in them, or I don't read them at all. Anyway, I have no idea what first prompted me to comment, but I'm sure it was a terrible, humourless comment.
36: It does make it tough to reach the keyboard, it's true.
I had shown interest in the LP of "Two Sevens Clash" that my parents had bizarrely purchased on a date night. Like, they owned no other Jamaican music, but they went to a local pizza restaurant, near an equally venerable local record store, and came home with some excellent leftover pizza and that record.
I'm of the opinion that you don't need more than one or two records of Jamaican music, much like bluegrass or fado.
Hm, seems like I've been commenting here under one name or another for a loooong time.
When I was 16 years old, the Skatalites drummer, Lloyd Knibb, taught me how to roll a joint.
My first comment that anyone admitted laughing at was deep in an earnest conversation about child porn:
Someone: Child porn is different from regular porn, though
Heebie: Because of the stage moms?
Does 25 really need to re-link to me being an embarrassing newbie? Is this the new rick-rolling?
Sorry, that was a genuine mistake on my part. It was supposed to go here.
I originally de-lurked in a thread about unions, asking something like, "Isn't there an argument to be made that [X]?" To which LB replied, "Yes. Do you care to make that argument?"
And then I felt foolish, realizing my tone had been trollish. Not foolish enough to be dissuaded from further commenting, of course.
I found unfogged through an article in The Economist, I think, that referenced a post by W-lfs-n, perhaps, about I have no idea what (it was a fairly long time, so pardon my fuzzy memory -anyone kno).
I've been a regular reader since, and have found it at times educational, at times funny, sometimes baffling, but always entertaining. ATM is probably my favorite thing --it's incredibly useful to have an army of highly educated, intelligent, opinionated people willing to help you sort through whatever it is that's troubling you. (It is also incredibly entertaining to read what's troubling others being analyzed to the point of exhaustion).
And I'm not sure what the standard for delurking is --is it making sporadic, isolated comments on random posts or regularly and actively participating in threads? If it's the former, then I delurked some four years ago. If it's the latter I still haven't delurked.
38: I still love the thread where we helped k-sky write his civics speech.
Two Sevens Clash and Satta Massagana are both something else.
What's good reggae from this decade? There's a few Mavado tracks I kind of like, There's nothing wrong with Lutan Fyah, but no spark for me. Peaking Lights aren't quite reggae, and I can tell that they won't last, but that's the reggae-ish new music that consistently lights me up.
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The top of my Facebook feed is a status update from a friend who has likely never heard of Unfogged: "Very Cretaceous sort of morning: all newly flowering plants, buzzing insects, and feathered dinosaurs."
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I found unfogged through an article in The Economist, I think, that referenced a post by [me]
I'm waaaaay too vain/insecure not to want to know more about this.
49: that took several searches to find.
Every little thing gonna be all right.
That's what we sand to Bob Marley, anyway.
Google tells me I commented under another pseud all the way back in 2004. I mostly lurked then bailed after the nastiness with Bitch before returning with this pseud. Which I really want to change but I don't want LB to get mad at me.
Sang, anyway. It's a sweet song, and we were pitched by his doorstep.
I've been reading this nonsense for around 5-7 years, or at least there are threads I recognize from the archives that far back. Signs of senescence: talking back to the characters on television, delurking on Unfogged.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIjkW6iyXNo
Have a great day, friends.
Confusingly, this is the earliest comment of mine I can find here. Even more confusingly, this is the first mention of me that I can find here.
Didn't you comment under variants of your pseud before that?
Or them? They might have. You know them.
I thought you commented as Tweety Fish.
Not here. That was my original handle but I was well along to Sifu Tweety by the time I got here. (I used Sifu Tweety Fish at the poor man for a while.)
Like 10, I occasionally followed a link here but wasn't that impressed by the posts and found the comments impenetrable. Eventually I noticed Lizardbreath, and as I enjoyed her comments on Obsidian Wings I decided there must be something worthwhile so I waded in. So blame her.
This is my first appearance here. Nothing spectacular, and I'd been wandering around cyberspace for decades before so not fraught.
http://www.unfogged.com/archives/comments_5801.html#439948
I started reading unfogged regularly sometime during 2004 (part of a general increase in blog-reading during the 2004 election season) and didn't comment for a while (and I had a long period of commenting very infrequently. I remember at some point LB encouraged me to comment more, and I wish I could find that because it was so encouraging to me to know that anybody here had any idea who I was).
My earliest comments are embarrassing because they are incredibly stilted (though I think my taste in links was good from early on).
I credit this place with improving my writing, even though I'm not a high volume commenter, it's still helped me learn to relax (that wasn't the only reason my early comments sound so forced, however, I assumed that nobody had any idea of who I was or what my general positions were, so I was trying to be unambiguous, but . . . ouch it's painful to read).
My experience much like 66, the comments looked interesting, but the volume seemed overwhelming.
I know I was in and out before, but the first thread I really recall plunging into (under several different pseuds) was the one where we played around with the formatting HTML until ogged made everyone get out of the pool turned most of them off. I recall saving the HTML to a file just before he did that and sending it to bitch.
I haven't bookmarked anything, but I did save a copy of a particularly epic liveblogging-esque thread when it was clear that it was going to be quickly taken down.
Looks like I delurked in 2006, though I'm pretty sure I was reading in 2004.
I credit this place with improving my writing,
Oh, me too, hugely. And being able to think more clearly in an argument.
Unfogged is the rigorous liberal arts undergraduate education I never got in college. I mean that completely seriously.
Aside from math. I learned more math as an undergrad than I've ever picked up from this bunch of yahoos.
Originally Mark Schmitt was one of the two or three blogs I read, and then he linked here - just, I think, when the blog was being born.
But as I've mentioned before, I rarely read comments for a year or more. Modulo the memory hole, this seems to be my first comment, not to be followed for a few months.
Not here. That was my original handle but I was well along to Sifu Tweety by the time I got here. (I used Sifu Tweety Fish at the poor man for a while.)
We knew you as a legendary blogger at the Poor Man, right?
Doing a quick search, the first comment of mine that I found was one in which I pwned ogged. He never acknowledged it of course, but someone named 'Brock Landers" (whoever that was) did.
Originally Mark Schmitt was one of the two or three blogs I read, and then he linked here - just, I think, when the blog was being born.
Same here. Then, I lurked for years without commenting. Then, that started to feel creepy and voyeuristic, like I knew way too much about people's personal lives in secret. Then, I started commenting and now I no longer feel creepy, just like an idiot.
And I'm not sure what the standard for delurking is --is it making sporadic, isolated comments on random posts or regularly and actively participating in threads? If it's the former, then I delurked some four years ago. If it's the latter I still haven't delurked.
I must have made hundreds of comments over seven years and I still haven't delurked. The percentage of comments that are mine is quite low.
I can't find anything earlier than this, but I doubt it was my first comment. I had been reading intermittently for years by that point.
How do you search for your earliest comment? I have no idea.
When I finally de-lurked (been a regular reader since 2005) I believe I violated unfogged naming conventions by having "lurker" in my pseud.
There was no specific thread or comment that motivated me to start occasionally commenting: my procrastination requirements grew to the point that simply reading just wasn't wasting time as effectively as needed.
I sometimes worry about commenters who have disappeared, who were known to be super depressed. (One of the people in the link in 78 is what brought that on.)
79: Just link to the current living descendant of your earliest comment. It's really the same thing.
I delurked to call you all a bunch of racists, but TFA aren't cooperating. I can find a reference to the original comment, but not the thing itself.
I think I started commenting in 2006 - came over here from BitchPhd sometime earlier that year I guess. it's a long time really, when you think about it. Most of my comments are fairly inane anyway, and usually at the wrong time of day, but I do remember LB castigating me for not being a good feminist.
My memory of starting to comment here isn't so much of making missteps as of trying too hard and being ignored. In the early weeks (months?) of commenting, any acknowledgment at all felt extremely rewarding.
lw: good reggae from this decade -- maybe try Vybz Kartel and Gyptian (you occasionally have to push yr way past gangsta-ish pose and stance, but they both have gorgeous voices).
Kartel sometimes sings with Gaza Slim aka Vanessa Bling, which is probably my favourite two pop cognomens all rolled up into one songstress. (Popcaan is a pretty great name, also.)
The notion that you really only need three Jamaican records is seriously insane to me.
I can't pin down my earliest comment, but its nice to know I've been bitching about the same topic since at least 2007.
(Actually my all-time favourite pop cognomen was a Nigerian singer called the Ultimate Doctor Sir Warrior.)
85 was my sense too. The threads moved so fast at the time that it was really hard to get a comment noticed.
Maybe commenters can the powers that be to search for the first occurence of their Pseud... that'd be amusing.
I do worry that I only have about three themes and that I'm repeating them. I don't plan to verify that, though. Once I know that for sure, I'd have to pipe down.
I vividly remember how hypnotic I found it when I first started posting here, to watch the comments stack up. Compared with toiling away on a personal blog for one comment every two weeks or so. Or no comments for years.
My memory for TFA isn't what it used to be, but I do remember that after commenting for a week or two I offered to explain my psuedonym (which is neither particularly interesting nor requiring of explanation), and had the offer roundly rejected by ogged and I think SCMT. I do remember some of the previous times we've (Nosflow, I think) run stats on first appearance of psueds on comment volume by pseud.
It would be interesting to see timelines of when various people started and stopped commenting. Some of the dates in this thread are surprising to me.
That's meant to be "or comment volume by pseud."
@89
The slowing down of the formerly frantic pace probably encouraged me to start commenting. No point in trying to join a discussion when there will be 50 new comments by the time you finish typing yours.
How do you people write so fast on phones anyway?
92: I know! I had a moderately well-read group blog in 2004/05 or so (which got attention only because one of my cob-loggers was infinitely more interesting and better at writing than me), and we were lucky to get 5 comments on a post.
apo came with unf, no? He's been commenting since there were only 10 comments or so. I only know that, because I've read some of the archives. I wasn't lurking then.
I first commented in a period of serious social isolation (thesis-writing + new town); which made for desperation and trying too hard, and no way am I searching for those comments. Yeesh.
92: The problem with commenting on your blog is it feels too intrusive. It's much less creepy to just lurk and be entertained.
I was aware of u/f long before I read it, let alone posted, and had it filed in my head as a more measured fafblog, with unf as fafnir and ogged as giblets, I guess. I was a reader before ogged ascended, but hadn't yet posted I don't think.
I don't actually listen to very much contemporary Jamaican music. I don't like the various Marleys very much, and a lot of the dancehall is indeed tainted with borrowings from the more tedious exponents of gangsta rap. I do like Lady Saw and Beenie Man though.
I should really try to count all my mento/ska/rocksteady/reggae/dancehall/dub albums at some point. I know there are quite a few. Perhaps 125 or so? And several of those are the Trojan 3-disc compilations. The level of diversity is really astounding when you remember just how small Jamaica is. Trinidad did pretty well with calypso, but holy shit, it's got nothing on the rich and varied tapestry of Jamaican sounds.
In the early weeks (months?) of commenting, aAny acknowledgment at all felt extremely rewarding.
FTFY. If anything that makes me comment less, because I know that once I post I'm going to get sucked into an extended period of thread-refreshing, rat-on-crack stylee, and I'm probably not going to get anything done for the next day.
May 2006.
Seeing a timeline would be fun, for the top 50 commenters by volume, say. Probably not possible, what with the various technical changes and all.
42 -- In the mid 70s, I asked a friend what he saw in reggae music. We were both likely impaired, but it made an impression: his answer was very Willie Sutton like -- the girls, they like that shuffle dancing. He went on to explain how he prioritized music listening as a shared physical and emotional experience (to which I completely related, as a fan of Grateful Dead and Van Morrison) and that of the various choices most widely available at the time, reggae had the most laidback joy. He thought my preferences just fine for a shared physical and emotional experience with someone with whom one already had a relationship, but for strangers/prospects, it was too intense. And disco too coldly formal -- a frenetic formality. I didn't really buy the latter, but I understand what he was getting at, in terms of the shared emotional part of the experience. And punk, which might work out fine in the short term, wouldn't, he thought, have legs.
commenting on your blog is it feels too intrusive.
No way, man. Commenting on your own blog is how you draw people in.
apo came with unf, no?
No. Ogged, Unf, and Bob were the original three bloggers. Kieran Healy and Glenn Reynolds were among the very first commenters, responding to posts that linked to posts of theirs. Kieran may have the honor as the earliest commenter who could ended up being more than a drive-by. Gary Farber, Magic Johnson, and I were among the first commenters that stayed around.
W-lfs-n was here really, really early as well.
Started reading in '05 or '06, started commenting in '09, and still regularly feel like I'm off-key. I think I came upon the site via Bitch or AWB's blogs (both of which I miss).
107: I thought Eggie meant my blog in particular.
The first comment of mine that I remember being called "awesome."
It's amazing to see that it's from '07. I really must not have commented much in 05-06, since I think of that as being an early comment.
Oh, he might have been, Heebie. I dunno.
Heebie gets it right. I could never be entertained by a blog I wrote.
Kieran may have the honor as the earliest commenter who could ended up being more than a drive-by
Crazy. I had no idea.
Posterity, Kieran. You'll be on the Unfogged Mt. Rushmore if we ever get funding.
I de-lurked at one point (maybe during the health care debate?) and was promptly called a Marshall McLuhan Moment by LB. I decided to take it as a compliment.
117, 119: Fifth comment ever, that is. Not number 5 in a thread.
Iraq! Friedman! Typos! Total n comments = 2! Good times.
109: yeah, via the invisible adjunct, where ogged (and FL, who I think arrived by the same means) were commenting.
117: After reading ogged's response, no one should be ashamed to dig up their old comments. Nevertheless, I still am.
You can search for your first comments (I've heard the hoohole is no more, but I don't know for sure) by searching for "[pseud] site:unfogged.com", then click "Show search tools" on the left sidebar, and select custom ranges for successive years. So I have 2 hits in 1/1/2006-12/31/2006, 5 in 2007, etc. But it only gives me 40 results in 2011, which seems very low.
I dont remember when I started reading Unfogged or why I started commenting. Maybe I saw a reference to it at Obsidian Wings?? Maybe Bitch?
I do remember thinking that neb was taller and older.
Using the technique in 124 I have found myself saying something humourless in March 2006 about (ugh) evolutionary psychology. Slightly embarrassed about that.
Maybe someone could design a feature where each person's best comments could be seen by hovering over that person's name.
Nice. I might start linking to "A Child Named Storm" just for the ego boost.
I've been reading since late '04, and have probably averaged a comment or two per year since about '06. I just think of myself as a very very slowly acclimating eventual regular, but perhaps I'm a lurker. I don't think I've ever commented anywhere but here and a few times at From the Archives.
Whatever. I'm old, and don't remember, we have done this before, and I am into the "looking forward" thing.
We must develop a plan, a strategy, a praxis, for the next five years of Unfogged.
We must develop a plan, a strategy, a praxis, for the next five years of Unfogged.
Why don't you and Tripp work on that and present the plan to the group when you have something figured out . . .
March 2005 for my first comment. Probably read for 6 months to a year before then. I R the entirety of TFA at one point early on, though, so hard to say when I actually started reading.
In the early weeks (months?) of commenting, any acknowledgment at all felt extremely rewarding.
This, very much so. It was probably years before I felt like a regular (although it certainly wasn't years before I was acknowledged, and LB told me I was a regular before I ever felt that way).
I'm shocked at how many of the linked threads I didn't comment on. My memory of '06-'07 was that I spent most of my free time commenting here.
Holy shit. 2 more days and it'll be the 7th anniversary of my first comment.
I sometimes worry about commenters who have disappeared, who were known to be super depressed.
Pauly Shore, for example? What happened to that guy?
135: That might explain that itch you keep feeling.
This looks to be the post with the DE's first comment in 2005 and it's unsurprisingly about ingredients for cooking.
http://www.unfogged.com/archives/comments_3424.html
If I remember correctly, she arrived via Bitch's blog. She loved the mixture of high-speed word-play and deeper thought.
135: Google seems to think my first comment was sometime in 2006, but I have a pretty strong memory of commenting sometime in 2005. IIRC this was one of the places I read the day after the election in 2004, when I was so depressed at the outcome I couldn't work.
According to Google, I commented twice in 2006. First time in September, not especially interesting. That seems so improbable to me, but I suppose it's possible.
Now that I think of it, I have a pretty clear memory of my first-ever post being some blathering about okonomiyaki, and I can't find that at all.
140: In contrast, the election of 2004 kept me away from the internet for a solid 2 weeks. IIRC this was a place that drew me back in, but I never read any of the post-election threads. Too painful.
This thread, from January '07, is the first one that I have a clear memory of. I still say that dioramas are awesome, and I still say that it's BS to claim that only the children of the elite have access to suitable materials. Egg cartons and shoeboxes are not the exclusive province of the 1%.
I started commenting in 2005, I think. Using the unsekrit form of my name.
Ooooh, I remember that diorama thread almost sucked me in, on the anti-diorama side.
I started lurking ages and ages ago. Long enough that I remember getting upset at the B-O dustup. I only started commenting regularly about four years ago, though I think I may have dropped in a comment or two under a different pseud earlier.
My first comment; kind of meh. August of 2005.
This, though, remains my favorite of my own comments.
I found this place via the invisible adjunct, but didn't start commenting until after the 2004 election, around the time this blog turned from politics and towards telling ogged to go to some party where it would be revealed that Swedish grad students don't use e-mail.
It was also around the time when I decided to shut down my briefly-lived first academic blog and turn towards more personal writing. Unlike lots of people, I guess, I found that blogging and commenting really improved my writing for the first couple of years, but as time has gone by, I've become more gunshy about writing posts at my own blog(s) and I don't think I write as well as I used to.
I made the mistake of going to a meet up.
What ever happened to the food wiki? Is that still going?
Come to think of it, I don't think I ever lurked in the comments here. I know I looked at the front page a few times before commenting, but I think I commented in the first thread I read.
Holy shit has this post/thread turned into a time suck. Sorry, neglected clients!
I have a few threads bookmarked, mostly for reading recommendations. I have a vague intention to compile the reading recommendations -- at least for genres I'm interested in -- one day.
In the same folder, I have this bookmarked for handy reference when the issue comes up: "I DON'T FUCKING CARE what animals would have done on the veldt."
I'm a long-time lurker, arriving in early 2005, though I'm familiar with earlier posts and conventions, having done my requisite archives reading. I have commented only three or four times, and I think under differing pseudonyms.
But I will note now, because I find the various arrival points interesting and mine hasn't come up in this thread, that I first linked through from Kotsko.
Commenters I miss, or wish commented as regularly as in the past: SCMT, Emerson, Kotkso, FL, Matt Weiner, Joe Drymala, Bitch, and read, among many others. I rather enjoyed the frenetic and anarchic character of the earlier days, (though I don't say all this to disparage the current times, and am using this only as an excuse to mentally reminisce).
I will also point out, with some amusement, that through a combination of my impatience and browser URL fill-in I have a cookie for Unf.com, the content of which is, I think, somehow appropriate for Unfogged (site is NSFW in tightwad environments). I regularly visit this site on accident, chuckle, and then re-input the full Unfogged web address.
I think I started some time in 2006. I'll try to be more definitive soon. I think I discovered this blog from either Ezra Klein's or Matt Yglegias'. No longer read either. No threads bookmarked, but I use Google to search the archives all the time. I think I lurked for a little while, but not long.
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And I'm not sure what the standard for delurking is --is it making sporadic, isolated comments on random posts or regularly and actively participating in threads? If it's the former, then I delurked some four years ago. If it's the latter I still haven't delurked.
The former, don't worry.
Re: lurking in general, the convention of lurking comes from USENET, right, where some listservs (groups? Fora? Whatever) managed to maintain some semblance of an expectation of decorum, doesn't it? So people were expected to read for a while before they started speaking up, lest they step on house rules or, worse, existing interpersonal dynamics? In these days of reddit or twitter or whatever stupid social media the kids are playing with, is lurking even an expectation?
through a combination of my impatience and browser URL fill-in I visit the University of North Florida site more often than any other university webpage.
I think they called them "newsfroups."
I think I got here via Drum or Bitch, 2006 I believe. I had a different name then. I think I was funnier under that name.
I don't have any threads bookmarked, but there's a very special deleted thread I keep in a box under my bed.
158: Also from Compu$erve and privately owned bulletin boards in the 300 baud acoustic modem era.
153: Yeah, the food wiki is still up! People even post recipes to it.
I guess this must have been my first comment, 9 March 2006. I had started Is There No Sin In It? in January of that year, having had a not-enjoyable political-type blog the year before. I came here via Bitch.
108: I meant that you were one of the earliest commenters.
The earliest comment on Google is from 2006, though it doesn't sound like my first. I think this is a Google limitation, though, since it only finds a handful of "walter sobchak" comments.
I never lurked here. For a long time, Emerson, mcmanus and I fought a twilight struggle against right-wing trolls on Yglesias and Crooked Timber, but eventually they abandoned me. I believed they quit the internet, but they were just hiding here. I now like to think of this as Valhalla, where we are resting after being slain by our enemies.
I feel this post is baiting me.
Link to the food wiki?
If you offer an email address, I'll invite you!
Or, to do it the other way, request access at ybwwwe.pbworks.com.
167: I wonder at the fate of those who leave Unfogged, then... Nirvana?
I honestly can't remember what brought me here or what or when my first comment was. Except that it was sometime in early '06 (though I'd been vaguely aware of Unfogged before that).
causing LB some consternation: two misters. Bad pseud policy.
I added the "the occasional delurker" because I'm not clever and LB told me, in a thread about (or one that evolved into being about) y.a. books and Ellen Raskin, that "mark f" was too nondescript. That was one of only two threads I can remember where my delurking has been responded to; the other had to do with tattoos.
I think I got here via Yglesias, but I don't remember for sure.
I first de-lurked right now. Been reading for a couple of years--insert gushy comment of adoration here. Have been considering taking the plunge for a while, so I accept this post as asign from Teh Internetty muses. Hullo!
Hm. I have now confirmed the inadequacy of the google, as I also commented here, prior to that other comment. Also far less comprehensibly.
AWB: Thank you!
Welcome, Jupiter. Don't start in with the adoration, or this place'll become like Ta-Nehisi's.
I've had good luck searching DuckDuckGo for unfogged comments recently, but I haven't been doing enough searches to know if there's a gap. For a long time, Yahoo searched this site the best. Still might be true.
I used to have two-letter pseuds, making searching difficult. Part of the point.
My assumption when a comment draws no response (which happens quite a bit) depends on the purpose of the comment. If I was making a sage observation, I imagine nodding silently in approval, unable to think of anything to add, pausing briefly before moving on to another topic/angle where they have something original to add [me having occupied the field covered by my comment, apparently]. If a joke, people are disabled first by laughter, then the knowledge that response could only diminish the moment.
That silence might be caused by banality, humorlesness, ignorance, or malice -- active possibilities all -- is not a default presumption.
Lurkers, try it out. You've nothing to lose but your dignity (which as some of us repeatedly demonstrate daily, is only an illusion anyway).
Don't listen to Megan. Worship us like angry pagan gods in need of sacrifice!
Walt might be right. Could you please describe the sacrifice in a little more detail?
Please sacrifice organic ingredients and/or free-range virgins only.
I'm delurking (been lurking, with short pauses, since 2005 I think) to beg for advice. I've delurked once in a while but keep getting shy, don't know why. Yes I do, but anyway. I want to help a bunch of workers take over a warehouse, in a hurry. It's a long story. What's the best way for a few people, each of whom knows in depth detail about procedure in one area, to teach the others, as fast as possible? Everybody's smart. A wiki? What's the best, fastest way to build a manual collectively so that anyone can walk in and do any job? It's a small warehouse. Resources, theories? Am Googling but there's too much. Have ordered Checklist Manifesto.
The thread that got me hooked was the redacted one involving photobucket. It was horrible, but everything happening in real time...and Fuck You Clown. Thank you all for not lurking yourselves, you've brought me great joy. I bookmarked mostly book threads, will try to find them. Haven't read this thread yet. Back to work,
184.1 might be the greatest comment in the history of comments.
Starting reading at the end of 2006, commented a bit starting in 2007. Mostly lurked since then; attended one meetup, largely as a proxy for belle lettre.
Somewhere I have a copy of the epic photobucket thread.
The earliest of mine I can find is here in 2004.
Penny! No answer to your question, but I've thought of you a lit, since it seemed like you left during a difficult time.
183 and for Halford:
Achille qu'était végétarien
Nous semblait tant innofensif
Qu'on y aurait prêté son canif
Lui qui ne bouffait jamais de viande
Avait la chair tellement carnée
Que nos chicots se sont pétés
Oui, c'est une victime de la faim
Pas une bestiole mais manque de boi
Il est passé à la casserole
C'était la fin des haricots
On avait plus rien à claper
On s'entait faible et constipé
Nous ne sommes pas des assassins
On l'a bouffé sans le tuer
My new candidate for first, and I think I'm going to stick with it.
So is this the first post: http://www.unfogged.com/archives/comments_3.html
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I found an earlier comment from me. Again, I don't think it's the real first.
I miss text and tweedledopey. They probably have real jobs and shit.
I apparently first commented in August 2006, followed by a comment in November of that year semi-complimenting Wolfson's hair.
The only unfogged thing I have bookmarked is a comment from me about my college best friend, his relationships to women, and his fiancée in particular. Turns out the fiancée had been lurking to try to find out more about me. O HAI. Things were on the rocks with that friendship before that, but the comment gave collegebestfriend the fodder to write me off totally, complete with a fantastically middle-schoolish kiss off email.
First commented here in 2007, I'm pretty sure -- right around this time of year. I'd read the occasional post without delving into the comments prior to that, and didn't see what the big deal was. The first comment I remember making (which was probably not actually the first) took ogged to task for having said that some woman's butt was too small. "Too small for what? Too small for what??" I thundered, indignant. Luckily everyone took my cluelessness in stride.
I seem to have several dozen threads bookmarked, none of them especially remarkable -- just wanted to remember that someone said some particular thing, I guess.
I keep being surprised. I thought parsimon and Sifu had both been commenting here long before me.
re: 196
Thanks for the thing the other day, btw. Hectic couple of days and didn't follow up on the email, but much appreciated.
Afaict, my first comment [or earliest I can find] was quoting Dr Octagon.
And Otto. I'm pretty sure he's got a lot of good stuff going on for him these days.
Was that heebie's ass, parsimon?
I'm actually pretty surprised to learn that people bookmark specific Unfogged threads.
Have ordered Checklist Manifesto.
Woo hoo!
I have no helpful responses to your question, but I agree with Halford -- what a question.
"Too small for what? Too small for what??" I thundered, indignant.
Have you *seen* my cock, parsimon?
201: It was not.
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I'm on tap to conduct a phone interview with a prospective tenant up at the house previously tenanted by a deadbeat. I really don't feel like doing this ....
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190 -- thanks, I hadn't heard the song. Had to look up "canif," and am glad that when you think of eating vegetarians, you think of me.
204: Photoshopping does not count, apo.
Huh. Google has my first comment in July of '07, trying to get folks to talk about jury nullification instead of drive-by shootings; but then, Google only sees me on 3 threads through all of '08, and 29 through all of '11, which just can't be right. Huh.
Indeed, I see that at the very latest I delurked on (the day after) Valentine's Day '07 to whine about getting dumped.
Is there a better way to search TFA?
Remember when there were no timestamps?
208: Searching DuckDuckGo turns up this from November 2006 and a few other comments of yours from 2006.
I'm positive this wasn't my first comment, but it's the first I can find at the moment. 9/5/05. I think I'd posted probably a dozen or so other comments over roughly a year prior to that. (Dating back to the '04 election aftermath.) It took me a while to settle on a pseud. I didn't actually really realize at first that I was supposed to settle, and most every comment was just posted under a name that was basically a stream-of-conscious meaningless combination of letters. I just now found an early thread in which I think I used at least three different pseudonyms, all in the course of the single conversation. (Not conscious sock-puppeting (a term I didn't know), or pretending to be 'different' people, just not really conscious of the need to 'be' anyone other than a string of digits in a text box. My comments weren't meant to build on or respond to one another; they were just unrelated comments.) I think "urple" just happened to have been the most recent semi-random stream of digits I'd used when I got bitched at about it one time by LB, so it stuck.
The response to one of my very first comments: "You are being rather uncharitable with the comments here." It's true, I was.
Huh. Maybe I should be using DuckDuckGo in general.
210: God, that's so weird. I was commenting about being excited about dating someone new, but I now can't remember ever having had a good time with that guy. I must have!
You should. You can always go to one of the other search engines as a second stop. Or when you need to use a more specialized service (maps, news, images, video, etc.).
214 to 212. I make no comment on what AWB should or should not remember.
204: What do you know? That was ogged's answer too. Except comments 98 and 101 strongly imply that wasn't your first comment.
DuckDuckGo turns up some older comments, with this possibly being the oldest.
The earliest comment on Google is from 2006, though it doesn't sound like my first. I think this is a Google limitation, though, since it only finds a handful of "walter sobchak" comments.
You're Sobchak? Weren't you banned or something?
216: I'm not sure I want to review the thread, apo, but yeah, I sure do remember ogged's answer.
No, not my first comment, but the first one I remember with any clarity. It makes a good story!
218: I thought he was saying he searched for "Walt" and got the Sobchak results, but you're interpretation is far more scandalous.
What's the best way for a few people, each of whom knows in depth detail about procedure in one area, to teach the others, as fast as possible? Everybody's smart. A wiki? What's the best, fastest way to build a manual collectively so that anyone can walk in and do any job? It's a small warehouse. Resources, theories? Am Googling but there's too much. Have ordered Checklist Manifesto.
Super easy and low tech would be just using a google doc and sharing it with everyone.
Super easy and low tech
I don't think cloud computing can be considered "low tech". I assume you mean something like "user friendly", although that's basically already covered by "super easy".
Or maybe you mean 'low required capital investment'?
I apparently first commented in August 2006
Oh wait, this can't be right. I'm pretty sure I met up with nosflow in Berlin a month or so before that.
I meant 'no technical knowledge required'.
Also, welcome JupiterGee! And assorted people who are re-delurking, whose pseuds I generally recognize, I'll have you know. Amber, Penny. Boo, I didn't recognize that pseud, but y'know. Plenty of love to go around.
184.1: I just emailed your email (because I know you like email) to offer any support I and my radical contacts can provide. Yay! Factory takeovers!
Hey AWB, could you send me an invite to the food wiki? I think I'm ready to give it a go. We've been cooking meals most nights a week for just over a year now.
Sure, HG! Just go here and request access.
184 and related: What's the best, fastest way to build a manual collectively so that anyone can walk in and do any job? It's a small warehouse.
Penny, I feel as though this question is unanswerable without knowing what kind of warehouse it is, what they intend to do with it, and most importantly, what condition it's in and what kind of work needs to be done. It sounds like Natilo is on the case.
Of course I have your email, so I just added you.
I suspect a wiki is not really practical for taking over a factory. Maybe one or more intense training sessions, and then assign a few people (maybe on a rotating basis) to roam around and answer questions or give advice. My sense is that robust and personal knowledge networks are the most resilient.
I'd think the number one rule of taking over a warehouse is "don't put your plans in writing."
The oldest comment of mine I can find is on this thread butkus don't think it was the first.
http://www.unfogged.com/archives/2005/09/clerks_without.html
I started reading around May that year when there was the thread about "how many five-year-olds could you take down". (did we not have this conversation a while ago, btw?)
I still feel like more of a quasi-lurker than a real regular; there have been loads of times I have drafted comments and deleted them for being too boring. I've hardly ever reached enough of a critical mass to have proper ongoing conversations.
I have met a respectable number of commenters, considering I appear to be the only one in my country. A disproportionate number of those i've met have exiled themselves or faded away.
2005. I have wasted my life.
This really gets at something that I feel has been downplayed in this thread (unsurprisingly--but see 80, 81): for how many commenters does Unfogged feel more like, say, a desperate gambling habit (and I'm talking "pulling the slot machine handle like a rat hitting the More Crack lever," not "James Bond in the casino") than a healthy diversion or hobby? (And "all of them" can't be the right answer.)
I have this thread bookmarked for some reason. It appears to be about earnestness. It's shocking that we haven't resolved these questions yet, yet from recent discussion of hipsters, you'd think people were just beginning consider these matters.
Oh -- I see I do have the thread labeled "o-earnest". Things start to heat up around comment 298 there.
It took me a while to settle on a pseud. I didn't actually really realize at first that I was supposed to settle, and most every comment was just posted under a name that was basically a stream-of-conscious meaningless combination of letters. I just now found an early thread in which I think I used at least three different pseudonyms, all in the course of the single conversation. (Not conscious sock-puppeting (a term I didn't know), or pretending to be 'different' people, just not really conscious of the need to 'be' anyone other than a string of digits in a text box. My comments weren't meant to build on or respond to one another; they were just unrelated comments.) I think "urple" just happened to have been the most recent semi-random stream of digits I'd used when I got bitched at about it one time by LB, so it stuck.
urple really is the gift that keeps on giving, isn't he?
for how many commenters does Unfogged feel more like, say, a desperate gambling habit (and I'm talking "pulling the slot machine handle like a rat hitting the More Crack lever," not "James Bond in the casino") than a healthy diversion or hobby?
I don't really feel this way about it. I've actually found it surprisingly easy to just walk away from Unfogged when circumstances demand. I've done it a few times and come back when circumstances changed.
I've never commented or checked the comments from "work." Unfortunately, I've been underemployed and I never do my dissertation work at "work."
Even if I spend so many pointless hours arguing with people here that I end up... doing... something or other... bad? for me? it will evidently have been worth it, so I guess I'm not the audience for 239.
for how many commenters does Unfogged feel more like, say, a desperate gambling habit [...] than a healthy diversion or hobby?
I'm not sure those are the only two choices. That is, I spend more time here than I should because I find it more intellectually stimulating than many of my other options: that does mean that I should find more stimulating options, but it doesn't mean that this place is akin to a crack habit. I go do something else when the blog is uninteresting to me.
It also matters how comfortable you are here: the more comfortable I've become, the more likely I am to hang out. That was much less true before I'd duked it out and found myself a home blog, as it were. Nonetheless, sure, we should all go do something else, more often.
not "James Bond in the casino"
From the link in the third link in 68 (is there any graceful way to write that sentence).
'Scent and smoke hit the taste buds with an acid thwack at three o'clock in the morning.' That was [Ian Flemming's] first try. 'Scent and smoke and sweat can suddenly combine together and hit the taste buds with an acid shock at three o'clock in the morning.' That was his second. He got it right third time, with the sentence that became the opening line of his first book, Casino Royale: 'The scent and smoke of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning.'
239: Don't get me wrong; it's not that I mind having wasted my life.
My first comment was devoted to being a little bitch and then not responding to baa's over-generous inquiry in response. (I think I just left the computer.) That was the only other pseud I've used, I'm pretty sure, aside from being opinionated and/or presidential.
I think I started reading sometime in 2005. Arrived through either Bitch or Profgrrrl. Those were two of the first three blogs I read regularly (the other being Dr. Crazy).
This wasn't my very first comment--I think I commented two or three times in the prior month--but it was the first to occasion positive feedback (from ogged, no less).
for how many commenters does Unfogged feel more like, say, a desperate gambling habit ... than a healthy diversion or hobby?
Are we taking votes? Me. I've love to never open this website again. The problem for me is that you've become like actual people to me, who, when I walk away for a bit, I miss. Just disappearing feels like suddenly dropping contact with friends. (Which it is, in its own way.) And I wonder how you're doing. And I wonder whatever happened with [x] and the [y] situation, and so on. And so I come back, to see what's going on. But "being here" takes more time than I have. I don't think it's healthy (for me).
I was much, much happier the first few years I was here, when it was a rare thread that went over 100 comments, and most were 30-50 or so. At that volume, participating was just a more stimulating/entertaining way to do the level of procrastination that I was otherwise inevitably going to do. Whereas at current volumes, following this website sucks up a lot more time than I'd like to give. I've disliked that for at least the last 5 years or so.
I'm so far the only person who didn't come here via links or references from another blog. I was plain told (by Populuxe, a friend from elsewhere) that I might like this place. I shrugged and gave it a try, didn't see the point for a while, and now here we are.
I think it got unhealthy for me when I got so upset about threads here that I couldn't focus on work. Now I try not to get too involved, especially to the point that anyone could, like, hurt my feelings.
252: Does that mean that once you do see the point, you'll leave?
250, 253: Are there other blogs that get people as engaged as this one? It seems like everyone I've ever read on the internet at some point commented here.
254: parsimon discerned that the point was that there is no point, whereupon she was enlightened.
I'm so far the only person who didn't come here via links or references from another blog.
I know Tom in real life but clicked over to Unfogged from a link on his blog. Does that count? Half credit?
254: Hm? No, I do see the point now.
It's true that when I spend less time here, I'm better off, but there's a direction of causation problem there. Ultimately, speaking just for myself, I'm not a bloghead. I'm going through a phase, and it would be better to get it in perspective. On the other hand, I make no promises. Right now I'm really distracted about how one goes about replacing a septic tank.
258: If you move, then it's like the septic tank replaced you.
I think this was my unfogged commenting debut.
On the desperate gambling habit vs. harmless diversion continuum, there were times when it was much more the former. I have commented previously on the marked coincidence between my periods of peak commenting frequency and bouts of depression.
My commenting is way down these days. Having my prime reading time be after Jane's bedtime, Pacific time, is making me a catcher-upper instead of an active participant. But I am very ready for a cheerful fast-moving thread about popular fiction and/or cooking, somehow magically galloping along at about this time of night.
259: Benquo, are you mad at me or something? I am serious! The septic tank has to be replaced up at my mom's house my house up in NH. Gotta figure this out. Can't just move out. The septic tank is not a stand-in for unfogged, which stands on its own, and can be addressed on its own merits or demerits.
Sorry, a little grumpy there.
I took six months off last year. I don't think my time was particularly better spent. I should probably read that book on the side table, but the lighting isn't exactly right.
I missed a number of you folks, but then I see plenty of others from time to time at the other place.
239: I was warned.
I do, I do &c.! Whenever possible.
(a) I wonder any of the nice gingerbread cake I made last week remains in my pantry. Maybe I will put the recipe in the wiki.
(b) Also, I stayed up too late last night reading the third book in the Kage Baker "Company" series, which I am finding a very pleasant kind of fluff.
(c) Finally, I used positive "anymore" in conversation earlier today to (I feel) very good effect.
239: "All of them" is the right answer.
Remember: I am the man who microwaved his Civilization I disk back in 1993-1994...
263: No hostility was intended. I'm very sorry that it seemed like I was angry. :(
Also sorry if I was too dismissive of your worries about the septic tank.
To be clear, that emoticon is not frowning at you, it's just me feeling bad that I accidentally upset you.
267, 268: No worries. You didn't upset me -- it just seemed like you were mentioning my leaving, and I couldn't figure out why. I think we were commenting at cross-purposes. (Plus absurd distraction on my part about the damn septic tank. Inquiries and discussions will be made and had in the next couple of days. I wish I had a boatload, or even a modicum, of money to just throw at the problem.)
urple: I'm sorry to hear that.
rfts: I made egg salad for the first time this evening. I hate mayo, for which reason I always make my potato salad with an oil-and-vinegar dressing. Today, it occurred to me that there would alternatives to mayo in egg salad as well. Result: delicious egg salad sandwich for dinner!
269: Throwing money into the septic tank will only clog it further. You should pay urple to fix it.
Trapnel, did you notice the groundswell of support for your legislature by lottery notion, in the Kraab thread?
urple: I'm sorry to hear that.
Me too, both for your sake and on account of me, glorious me, because I so regularly take delight in your comments.
It's true; whenever I've wanted to forsake the Mineshaft, urple gets on a streak and I am charmed.
Regarding food, I made a delicious salad today, using an avocado (among other things, including ranch dressing, haters be damned). For some reason avocados have been extra cheap (for here) lately. Like 98¢/each at Food Lion. Usually from Mexico.
269: Now I get it. You thought that the two comments were meant to be read together.
I'd just meant to make a flippant joke to the effect that one way to be rid of a septic tank is to sell the property in which it resides, and buy a new one, with a presumably better-working tank. And that if you did so, the "owner" would be the part of the property that was replaced.
Would probably not have been funny even without the infelicitous proximity to my other comment.
Time for me to go to sleep.
270: I use mustard in place of mayonnaise.
275: There must be a global (or at least Transcontinental) avocado glut, since they've been discounted here for months too.
I guess it's not time for me to go to sleep...
279: There's a new post and everything!
280: Nice try, but I'm not leaving this one.
There are certainly avocados here right now, but they are not at their best. Come back, flavorful avocados from my favorite avocado farm! I need to eat enough of you to keep me warm next year in Ohio.
Trapnel, did you notice the groundswell of support for your legislature by lottery notion, in the Kraab thread?
I did! It was heartwarming. I couldn't bear to comment in that thread, though, because I get incredibly humorless (and, more importantly, stressed out) about anything approaching the subject of The Dissertation That Never Was; and lay contestation of constitutional meaning is very much in that area.
I am sorry to say that egg salad is gross in any form.
Mangoes are, however, awesome. For some reason avocados reminded me of mangoes. I have no food-related ... oh wait: we actually have newly robust kale in the backyard garden. There's been a magical warming and raining, early season. It's pretty, that kale.
Peace to Benquo.
284: I used to agree with you on egg salad.
I still agree with you on mangoes. They are awesome.
I also like frozen mangoes. I used to buy the ones from Trader Joe's, until I realized that I can just buy a fresh mango, cut it up, and freeze it myself!
I think a lot of people are scared off mangoes because they haven't figured out how to cut around the pit. This makes me sad. But hey, that means there's more left for us! :)
I used to loathe egg salad, and then I discovered that I only loathed nasty egg salad.
277: Yes, I used mustard (among other things)!
If you're looking for a way to cook some greens, you could do worse than some version of Deborah Madison's Braised Chard with Cilantro. (In Vegetarian Cooking for Everyone, which I adore.)
Oh, I also froze some grapes recently! I don't see what the fuss is about.
I am scared off mangoes because so many of them are mealy or stringy. When one has a perfect mango in mind, an unperfect mango makes one sad.
I also don't eat egg salad, liking neither boiled eggs nor mayonnaise.
But hey, that means there's more left for us!
That's how I feel about the anti-mayo crowd. More power to 'em.
"No, you guys go on ahead. I'm gonna keep dipping these fried potatoes in this aioli for several more hours."
I put a recipe on the wiki today for a kind of bread that you roll out into a square, spread with chopped greens and herbs, roll up into a tube, join the ends, and bake it in the form of a giant bagel. It is delicious and super-impressive.
291: Do you dislike all boiled eggs or just the overcooked ones?
Does this dislike extend to poached eggs as well?
(This is not implied criticism, I am just really genuinely curious about food dislikes and what exactly motivates them.)
287: That's not it, alas: I've just never liked hard-boiled eggs.
I can't imagine why a person would be scared of a mango. Sure, if you just try to chomp right into it, you'll get a bunch of strings in your teeth, but this is a fruit you have to know and respect, see? And you will be amply rewarded. (Actually different types of mangoes have different stringiness factors, but I don't know the details there.)
More to 294: I used to think I hated hard boiled eggs, until I figured out how to make them without any gray. Now I like them, though they are still not my favorite preparation.
It's weird; I never ate eggs growing up, not any kind of eggs. Around 20, I started eating omelets as long as they had a lot of vegetables in them--more like a frittata or tortilla. By about 22, I would make scrambled eggs and eat them. At 24 I had my first fried and poached eggs, the latter of which I wouldn't make for myself because I find them a bit gross. Boiled eggs just smell wretched to me.
291, 296: What are these mealy/stringy mangoes? I've never had one. And I don't exactly live in mango country.
(I've had unripe mangoes, but that's different.)
299: What about eggs in baked goods? Are there eggy tasting baked goods?
291.2: I postulate that there is no such thing as the imperfect mango. Only the mango that is perfect for eating, the mango that is perfect for cooking (and/or pickling), and the mango that is spoiled and thus no longer a True Mango at all.
I started eating quiche during college too. Eggs in cookies/cake didn't bother me, of course.
299: That sounds perfectly reasonable to me. You dislike "eggy" eggs, but have grown to appreciate foods that involve eggs as a component.
Oh, I also froze some grapes recently! I don't see what the fuss is about.
See, after you freeze them, you eat them, while they're still frozen.
What about eggs in baked goods? Are there eggy tasting baked goods?
Challah is noticeably eggy, in the way that bread that doesn't actually taste like eggs can be.
Egg bagels! Egg matzah! Welsh rabbit! Eggs in a basket! French toast!
(The imperfections in 302 -- which should have been identified as a response to 291.1 and in which "eating" should have been further defined as "eating raw" -- are strictly my own and should not in any way reflect on the essential perfection of the Mango.)
I make eggs almost daily now, often scrambled. And the only bread I always make well is challah. But boiled eggs I might die without learning to love.
At first I read "boiled eggs" in 310 as an exclamation
294 and related egg stuff: No boiled eggs, unless starving. Poached eggs I can swallow if I must, but under duress.
It's a consistency thing.
289: Tip of the hat to Merganser's Vegetarian Cooking for Everyone, which I adore. Yep.
A soft-boiled egg (or two!) with a dash of salt and pepper is heavenly. But, then, I've always liked dinosaurs.
See, after you freeze them, you eat them, while they're still frozen.
Well, using them as marbles isn't working so well, so I guess I'll try your thing.
316: You could use them to chill wine that you forgot to refrigerate.
(Speaking of which, boiled eggs I need to buy some grapes.)
"Just disappearing feels like suddenly dropping contact with friends. (Which it is, in its own way.) And I wonder how you're doing. And I wonder whatever happened with [x] and the [y] situation, and so on. And so I come back, to see what's going on. But "being here" takes more time than I have. I don't think it's healthy (for me)."
That's what Facebook is for, dude. I had way less of a problem when I asked LB to ban me for a period (in 05, I guess?), which maybe you should consider. Or even leechblock.
Now that I've found out how the ladies (and gentleman) of Unfogged like their eggs in the morning, it really is time for me to go to sleep.
Not before you tell us which one is the gentleman. Is it neb?
Ah, so we've already gotten to the food portion of the thread. Because if we are pointing to past glories, it's a good opportunity to give LB public props for a perfect one-liner from the quite recent past.
But other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was grad school?
Praised here since it was not appropriate to do so in the actual thread.
320: So merganser is neb's mom?
320: If I don't tell, then I might be the gentleman.
9 a.m.
Darling! I have this poached egg and a stringy mango for you! Breakfast in bed!
{pause} Sweetheart! How 'bout we rustle up some braised chard with cilantro?
{pause, pause} Brioche, then?
next year in Ohio
An unambitious conclusion to Passover.
- Enter Halford -
I got your half-pound of bacon right here.
- Double-take on everyone's part: Halford? Uh, would you like a frozen grape?
327: I KNEW IT! YOU SAID YOU LOVED ME ALONE, BUT ALL ALONG YOUR HEARD BELONGS TO ANOTHER!
I forgot butter. One must add a sliver of butter, a dash of salt, and a hearty shake of black pepper to soft-boiled eggs.
Re: keeping up. Going by comment numbers the following are estimates of number of comments per year using a quick and dirty manual procedure*.
2011 130000
2010 140000
2009 160000
2008 240000
2007 260000
2006 340000
2005 115000
2004 6800
2003 2300
*During the execution of which I stumbled on the time LB managed to post a New Year's comment in a thread from the year previous and managed to start the longest delayed subthread. So 4.last might be a lie.
Another feature of this place is the simple, elegant design, lack of "improvements", and neb's brilliant spam defeating mechanism. Really well done.
330: Bean-counter. But if that's at all accurate, it's interesting.
There's a spam-defeating mechanism here? I had no idea. Though that does make me wonder why there wouldn't be.
333: In fact neb's brilliance is evident precisely in its invisibility. Aside from the extraordinarily persistent ToS (who seems finally to have given up? or choked on his own vomit, hopefully not?) one actually never, ever sees robospam on Unfogged.
332.1 was offered in all fondness.
The egg/mango discussion here reminds me, ever so appropriately for this thread, of some previous threads I'm not going to link to.
Although one of them did involve ogged referring to me as a "regular" for the first time, so that was something.
"[E]gg/mango". So that's what the kids in Alaska are calling it these days.
longest delayed subthread
Longer than the delays in the thread linked from 192?
So that's what the kids in Alaska are calling it these days.
I certainly wouldn't know.
334: Yes. Much as it pains ogged to say it, the answer is that neb nosflow is a genius. Explanation.
340 was me.
If we're permitted to have favorite comments of our own, I think mine would probably be one of the poem-thingies.* Is there a name for the kind of doggerel that shows up here that's meant to track closely with an original real poem?
*Or possibly the dichotomy one. Anyway, it's certainly not something from my current pseud, which is really a much less clever commenter (not that cleverness is the end-all be-all of commenting).
340: Nope, forgot about that. Sloppy of me. So merely a "year-delayed" subthread.
Why have other blogs everywhere not tried to adopt something like neb's clever trick?
I think that explanation explains why I had so much trouble posting from a free web proxy back when my IP was somehow banned from this place. (Not that I understand the explanation at the technical level.)
343.2: In general the favorite/funniest comment thing does not work out of context of the originating thread very well*. And now I'm sorry I wrote 321 since it was entirely context-dependent and now I've ruined it.
*There was a greatest hits thread which pretty much conclusively demonstrated this point.
does not work out of context of the originating thread
This is part of the reason I've never recommended this blog to others.* "There's lots of funny stuff there, but it might take months to start getting into it, at which point you will lose months of free time" isn't really the kind of recommendation I want to give.
*The bigger reason being not wanting to reveal my pseudonymity.
Clearly Sifu and Blume were done good by unfogged overall, and I think that there have been some other couples sho met via this blog. I won't mention them. Sanctity of off-blog communication and all that.
Right now, I should be working on my resume and creating a plan for my career. Instead I'm commenting, but I'd probably be pacing aimlessly if I weren't doing this. There have been times when it got in my way certainly.
Sometimes this place is incredibly supportive. At other times, if I'm not doing great or there's something difficult going on in my life, it's a very bad idea to come here. I'll make a terrible misstep and offend someone, and then in addition to hurting the other person I'll feel hurt and bad myself.
If I walked away completely, I'd hate to lose the meetups, but I do think that I should buckle down. I realize though that my long-span attention has gotten pretty bad though.
Today is the first day in the rest of the life of the blog. Think about it.
I probably read this blog for more than a year before I even opened a comment thread. My internet experience to that point hadn't prepared me for the possibility that blog comments might be worth reading.
I resolved that I wouldn't comment until I had something to say that would be more entertaining than the median comment - a standard that I have since, obviously, dropped. It took me maybe six months to come up with something I thought worthy - a rather weak joke about behaviorist optometry. (You had to be there.)
But I am very ready for a cheerful fast-moving thread about popular fiction
So 50 Shades of Grey is the equal to Sons and Lovers and Lolita, right?
Unfogged assists me in procrastination.
But, I am really glad for the time I have spent here. Ive enjoyed learning about many of your freaky people. I think that the quality of people here is fairly high. There are some very smart people on here, but that isnt a requirement for enjoyment here. A lot of similarity in political beliefs but enough variation to keep it interesting.
Group hug?
I postulate that there is no such thing as the imperfect mango. Only the mango that is perfect for eating, the mango that is perfect for cooking (and/or pickling), and the mango that is spoiled and thus no longer a True Mango at all.
I submit that you have left out the case where the fruit is so unripe as to be perfect for use as a weapon - in combat, as we say, mango a mango.
I submit that you have left out the case where the fruit is so unripe as to be perfect for use as a weapon - in combat, as we say, mango a mango.
This is why Unfogged is worth reading.
I agonized over delurking for months, I think. My ex was all, "you can do it! You're smart and witty!" so finally I plunged. I'm glad I did because it was a really bad time in my life, actually, and hanging around here and getting to know you folks improved my life in actual tangible ways.
I think my proudest contribution ATM was encouraging commenters to send pictures of their cocks to nosflow.
politicalfootball, for an extended period of time I couldn't keep you and foolishmortal straight for some reason. The personalities were distinct but I kept swapping the names back and forth between them, like some weirdly specific dyslexia.
Actually, I rather like football mortality
Dagger aleph! You were one of the people above that I mentioned worrying about! I'm glad about the implication that you're doing better.
Today is the first day in the rest of the life of the blog. Think about it.
I've got a spookier one. Next year:
1. the blog will be ten years old, and
2. Ogged will have been gone as long as he was here.
I would travel for a 10 year Unfoggedecon. A Decadecon, if you will.
Been doin' good for a while, heebie! Sorry you were worried!
2. Ogged will have been gone as long as he was here.
That's one weird thing to realize. I think I started commenting while he was on cancer hiatus, but I was a regular during his final period, even including off-blog communication with him. So I have strong, clear memories of this place with Ogged always present. But that was, like a quarter of the time that I've been here.
Incidentally, part of the reason I went on hiatus was that the crack wasn't so satisfying anymore*, and I knew it had to be cold turkey. I've been very surprised to be able to return without needing to read every post, let alone comment on every thread.
I wish I could say that my general attitude towards the rest of internet was as healthy.
* not because y'all were less entertaining or whatever, but because it had gone from "I spend too much time doing this really fun thing" to "I spend all my time doing this thing that I don't find as much fun anymore." It was consuming my off-blog thoughts.
BTW, DuckDuckGo definitely found lots more threads than Google, but their sort by date function sucks, so I don't have a reliable first comment.
330: Interesting that the perceived peak during the primaries and then election was actually a (modest) decline from the previous year (granted, some primary talk would have happened in the fall of '07).
politicalfootball, for an extended period of time I couldn't keep you and foolishmortal straight for some reason.
I suppose you didn't notice my posts at all.
I have to admit, I find 330 to be a depressing objective measure of my skill as a blogger.
367: I was looking at that and trying to figure out how we all could have been so much more "productive" four years ago. I think part of it is the loss of a few very high-volume commenters, but another part is that comments have been getting longer and more well thought out. Back in the day, when I posted a 2 or 3 paragraph comment, I felt like I was boring everyone to tears. But nowadays, everybody posts comments that long every day.
@239
A while back I was imagining how I would have cured cancer, written the great American novel and brought about world peace if only I spent less time surfing the intertubes. Then I thought back to my youth (I'm old enough that my early 20s took place in The Time Before The Web, or at least before Netscape) and realized, to my amazement, that I wasted roughly an equal amount of time back then. I'm hard put to imagine what exactly I was doing, but there it is.
WRT the question in 239, I'm guessing that due to the fast moving nature of the threads here, unfogged selects for ADD types who are just chronic procrastinators anyway. So if it weren't unfogged it would be something else.
You can consider that comforting or depressing as you wish.
I am happy to seek solace in that explanation.
ADD types who are just chronic procrastinators
This is depressingly on-target. I may possibly be the worst procrastinator I know and can rarely get anything done without a looming disastrous deadline to motivate me.
and realized, to my amazement, that I wasted roughly an equal amount of time back then. I'm hard put to imagine what exactly I was doing, but there it is.
I've had that same thought. I used to make sure I always had some sort of puzzle with me, like from a daily college newspaper, or one of those puzzle books they sell to old people. Or I'd buy embarrassing magazines full of repetitive articles. This is much better.
I feel like I'm definitely not the worst procrastinator on unfogged, which is great.
I'm also much better than I used to be, which means that I will usually do something when faced with a looming deadline as opposed to doing something when faced with the recent passage of a looming deadline.
I think part of it is the loss of a few very high-volume commenters, but another part is that comments have been getting longer and more well thought out.
The second part of this, especially. As I said, I'm not reading every (or even most) threads, but it's really striking to look back at ye olde threades and see how much white space there is, and how much more quippery. We would blow through 20 comments totaling 75 words in 15 minutes. All the time.
Actually, I think the first part of this applies doubly: not only did some of the departed comment a lot, but they also stirred the pot, either through their opinions or their banter.
Also, of course, there's Heebie's awful posts. Ugh.
I wish I could participate more. But, you know. Life is what happens when you're not commenting on Unfogged.
376: COMMENTING ON UNFOGGED IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE NOT ALIVE.
WHEN YOU'RE DAMNED THE WHOLE WORLD IS DAMNED WITH YOU.
I think part of it is the loss of a few very high-volume commenters, but another part is that comments have been getting longer and more well thought out. Back in the day, when I posted a 2 or 3 paragraph comment, I felt like I was boring everyone to tears. But nowadays, everybody posts comments that long every day.
That brings back memories.
Mostly I've found unfogged to be very congenial (meant in the normal sense, not in any blog-specific way) but reading that I suddenly remembered various moments, when I was just starting to comment here, when I would write some earnest multi-paragraph thought which, in my head, neatly pulled together a couple of different threads, and then it would get buried under a blizzard of one line comments and nobody would ever refer to my comment at all . . .
I reminded myself, when that happened, that nobody was coming to the site to read my comments, and that whatever the high-volume commenters wanted to talk about, that was what drove the site.
(I missed this turning into a huge thread and the part where we got to say what our best comment was! Mine was probably this one.)
Heh, I didn't notice that there was actually a link in 380. You're too modest, Mister {Smearcase,Blandings}.
My favorite and my best post was the one where I explained that Jammies and I had been fighting a lot, and having a lot of relationship problems, and we finally decided to do something about it, and so we're pregnant AND ISN'T THAT GREAT?!?!
383: I did in fact read that one slack-jawed.
I reminded myself, when that happened, that nobody was coming to the site to read my comments, and that whatever the high-volume commenters wanted to talk about, that was what drove the site.
Thinking about it, this is probably my answer to the question of how addictive unfogged is as well.
I'm definitely habituated to Unfogged and, like CCarp and urple, I would miss contact with the people here if I stopped reading it. And, like anybody, if I've posted a couple comments in a thread I keep checking back to see if anybody's responded.
But I've always felt like I've gotten more out of reading unfogged than I've put into it, and part of the reason is my particular mix of self-confidence and insecurity. There have been times when I very much wanted to get attention or approval from people at unfogged, but that never seemed like a realistic goal. Back when I was semi-lurking when I would think, "I want to be noticed" I'd always end up at, "no way I'm going to put that much work in" and give up.
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that, at some point, it did seem like people recognized me, and happy to score one for just hanging around long enough, but in general I just assume that, where there's competition for attention, I'm not going to win and don't bother.
*shrug* This is a thread for self-indulgent rambling, right?
383: That was great, and definitely had me going for a bit.
Thinking of that reminded me of Tia's April Fool's post about her and Ogged coupling up.
my best post
I'm still pretty fond of my Farewell to Ogged.
Oh, my link is indeed dood. Um, it was this whole argument with gswift about arresting people for having sex in public parks and let me try again because I was super proud of it and people thumped me on the back and...does this work?
365: Interesting that the perceived peak during the primaries and then election was actually a (modest) decline from the previous year (granted, some primary talk would have happened in the fall of '07).
I hadn't thought of the commenting volume in terms of the election; the fall-off from 2008 to 2009 is larger than I'd have thought. Let's see, fall of '07 was the run-up to UnfoggeDCon II. Was the great SWPL debate/fight in spring of '08? A few people, maybe more than a few, left in the aftermath of that. (I can't remember when FL left, or B. - maybe both of them after ogged left, and that was in '08, wasn't it?)
361:
Logistics are harder than they were in '06. Then Becks was still at the Flophouse. The APA Eastern and MLA were still on the same schedule and both held close to DC that year. Alameida was in town anyway.
But it's a fabulous idea.
That's all true, but we have a whole year to plan.
It does seem like the only way to get a critical mass of this crowd attending is if it falls in their freaking lap. If we just picked some central, easy city like Chicago, insufficiently many people would go out of their way to make it. I WOULD. I'm just saying.
Where are big conferences being held next year?
Smearcase, I mean this as a huge (back-handed) compliment, but you are way funnier than that.
I came via a real life connection too- Armsmasher emailed me this wordfoolery thread http://www.unfogged.com/archives/comments_7861.html and I was smitten.
But I don't really know when I switched from reading to commenting. I do know I never got a fruit basket, which I continue to hold against all of you. Jerks.
I would definitely pretend to be visiting my family in Chicago as an excuse to be in town for UnfoggeDecaCon.
252 I'm so far the only person who didn't come here via links or references from another blog.
I started dating this fellow who said in reference to I-don't-remember-what "so there's this blog I read a lot" and eventually I asked him what blog was that.
Boston's not a bad place! Lots of commenters who can't help but attend because it fell in their freaking laps. Big airport that is easy to travel to.
When is MLA? Over New Year's eve somehow?
MLA is in early January now, so probably not as convenient a time for lots of people to travel.
394.last: We just figured the fruit would be too late for you, EM.
If I get my act together, I'll try to go to Chicago before work gets super busy again mid-April, but so far I'm slacking on that. I would absolutely go to an UnfoggeDecaCon, though.
Thursday, January 3rd - Sunday January 6th. That is inconvenient. I assume MLA folks would not want to arrive a full week early, and otherwise it means trying to do something mid-week.
Weighing in late on absolutely everything, unfogged per se doesn't feel gambling-problemmy but the internet more general is my mental illness, and unfogged is a particularly talkative, amusing head of that hydra. What I'm coming to believe is that the time you sink into the internet never turns back into time you could use for something ostensibly more worthy. I have become largely unable to read books because they're not the internet. It makes me pretty crazy to think about.
I suggest having it in North Carolina in September, to coincide with the Democratic National Convention. You're all superdelegates, right?
How many MLA people do we even have any more? Other than AWB?
Although I guess New Year's Eve would fall on a Monday, so Tuesday would be a holiday.
I have become largely unable to read books because they're not the internet.
I am embarrassed to admit that this is true of me as well.
406: I was wondering that too. RFTS, and?
It doesn't feel like there's an organizing principle that will naturally bring lots of commenters to a location. We need a city to step up and host.
If Unfoggedecadecon were in Austin, would people travel for that? I assume we're too remote, because most everyone would have to fly in. But I would totally go the organizational distance to make it happen if people would show up.
401: whatever, I didn't even want one anyway.
(Also did you google "deaf fruit basket" or had you been saving that for the right moment?)
And since RFTS has a for reals job next year, it seems likely that she might avoid that whole crapitude altogether.
Also did you google "deaf fruit basket"
Close! Search string: deaf people don't eat fruit.
I'm pretty sure that this site and the internet in general is an unhealthy addiction and bad for me, personally. On the other hand, I've been reading it since 03/04, so it's been a part of pretty much my entire professional life; it's literally hard to imagine work without it. And it's genuinely fun and I do like the people, even if it all feels very ephemeral. As some people above have mentioned, it can be both helpful and horrible if you're depressed.
Anyhow, I must say that going to Boston in January doesn't exactly sound awesome, but I would definitely travel for a meetup. We could have a destination meetup at some beach resort.
Austin would be nice, if we could come up with good timing.
If it's Austin, it should definitely be in the winter. Would you all come to a fantastically rocking New Year's Eve in Austin party?
Boston in January doesn't exactly sound awesome
That's what I'm sayin'! NC in September, on the other hand, is goddamned glorious.
It's hard for me to say what will be possible next year because I have no idea where I will be living or if I will have an income. So one shouldn't base decisions on me, but I hope to be in the US and employed.
417: If you put it together, I'd fly out.
If Unfoggedecadecon were in Austin, would people travel for that?
Yes I said yes I will hell yes.
It does seem likely! Though there is a certain charm in going when you don't actually have to.
I bet Unfoggers would easily donate enough to a Slush Fund to get flights for commenters who couldn't afford to fly to Austin.
The inertia to actually buy a flight, though: this is what I worry about.
I could probably get a flight. Hotels are the real problem.
If you put it together
Ay, there's the rub. I can barely even put together a post any more. Spring 2013 would be the decade marker. Maybe spring break would be a propitious target, given the academic lean to this den of iniquity?
423: Yeah, that's where I'm at too. Calvera himself weeps at the price of hotels!
It probably couldn't be in Austin if we did Spring Break, because of SXSW. Is Spring Break sufficiently uniform to base a meet-up on it?
If I were putting it together in Austin, I'd go on VRBO and rent a gigantic house with lots of beds and pull-out couches. And in a lame part of town, to keep costs down.
If this were happening, I'd put in a strong vote for North Carolina.
Is Spring Break sufficiently uniform
No idea.
Because people on the East coast could get there easily?
It makes sense to have it in a city with decent public transportation, right? We don't want to need to buy flights and hotels AND rent cars. (No idea what the Austin or NC transportation is like.)
To be honest, I'd be happy to do the organizational stuff even if it weren't in Austin.
If Unfoggedecadecon were in Austin, would people travel for that? I assume we're too remote, because most everyone would have to fly in. But I would totally go the organizational distance to make it happen if people would show up invite everyone to stay in my fabulously-additioned house!
I'll be happy to follow along whatever live-blogging emerges.
On the stats question above, I think one also has to account for activity at the other place. Folks who aren't there, or are but don't pay attention, might not understand just how much has moved over there. It's nowhere near the whole drop, but if I wouldn't be surprised if interactions/communications (including likes of links) replace as much as 5,000 comments a year. [That's 150 a day, and I'm extrapolating from the 25-30 per day that I observe]. I'm not counting the other other place, because I'm not looking often enough to make any kind of guess.
434: "the other place"? Is that Standpipe's blog?
"the other other place"? Is that ogged's secret newer blog that only the special people know about?
The other other place is a wasteland.
The Kentucky Derby!
I've never been and don't want to start now.
That's no way to talk about your mother, nosflow.
434: Folks who aren't there, or are but don't pay attention, might not understand just how much has moved over there.
Eh. If you all want to migrate the whole fucking internet to Facebook, go ahead, but you lose a bunch of people, as well as openness to new commenters.
I'd be very unlikely to go to any Unfoggedecadecon except maybe if it landed in my backyard. I'm trying to cut down drastically on travel for the next year or so.
425: Maybe if he didn't "Calvera" himself so often he'd have some money left to spend on hotels.
in my fabulously-additioned house!
Which is really so fantastic. It is kind of mind-boggling that it is finished, complete, and so beautiful, and we get to live in it.
It's also getting gutters today. Jammies spent the past week acquiring giant rain barrels and building little platforms for them to sit on. I'm not sure exactly what we'll do with all that collected rain, but I suspect Jammies wants to use it to water actual grass that he wants to put down in our yard.
If you all want to migrate the whole fucking internet to Facebook, go ahead, but you lose a bunch of people, as well as openness to new commenters.
Also I don't feel like I can speak freely over in FB land.
Folks who aren't there, or are but don't pay attention, might not understand just how much has moved over there.
That depresses me. I can't combine this persona with my real life.
440: Ditto, and if Smearcase breaks our streak, I'll demand to know the story because there would have to be one.
The last meetup suggestion I remember urple making included the Creation Museum, so at least this time he's considering Stanley's interests too. And oh fuck, the Creation Museum has statues of people riding the extinct and large kind of dinosaurs, so maybe that meetup is now inevitable.
I'd be very unlikely to go to any Unfoggedecadecon except maybe if it landed in my backyard.
Boston it is! Or whatever local essear ends up living in for his fancy new t-t job.
I'm almost definitely still in Boston next year. At least, it seems like the places where I might move are willing to let me wait a year to try to actually spend time doing research here instead of spending all my time on airplanes.
449: Have I mentioned here that my high school senior prom was in the Kentucky Derby Museum? It was a slightly weird venue.
I'm trying to cut down drastically on travel for the next year or so.
New (tenure?) tracking anklet too tight to slip off?
448: Indeed. Pseudonymity is crucial, and not to be given up lightly, or, in fact, at all.
At least, it seems like the places where I might move are willing to let me wait a year to try to actually spend time doing research here instead of spending all my time on airplanes.
Have you tried going into a type of research that can be done on airplanes?
I'd like to quote 445.1 in my promotional materials. Seriously.
No link.
From way back in 180, I note this from Charley:
If I was making a sage observation, I imagine nodding silently in approval,
Someone made an identical* observation here some years ago - was it you? - and I've long planned on stealing this formulation and using it myself. I literally was going to use it on EoTAW the other day, but the thread got too old before I got around to it.
*I haven't got time to track it down, but I do mean identical. Either Charley originated it, or beat me to stealing it.
Folks who aren't there, or are but don't pay attention, might not understand just how much has moved over there.
FWIW, I wouldn't quite agree with this statement, or at least I think the non-FBers are overinterpreting it. There are very few quasi-Unfogged exchanges over there. Sure, I'll quip on someone's status update in a way that's distinctive to this place, but it's not as if my FB feed is full of 500 comment flamewars about sexual politics or 20 comment riffs on some punny joke. We all have non-Unfogged friends on FB as well, so in-jokes (let alone cock jokes) are deprecated.
That said, it was having Unfogged people on FB that let me take my hiatus; it wasn't truly cold turkey, because I still had contact with a good chunk of the regulars here*. For the most part that contact relates to banal, daily life stuff and/or links**; it's not the core of what happens here, but it is some of the connective tissue.
* no offense to anyone who considers him/herself a regular but isn't my FB friend; I'll friend any Unfoggedteer who asks. Well, not ToS.
** It's interesting how the links overlap between my personal and Unfogged FB circles: I'll see something show up a couple times among one group or the other, then half a day or a day later, it makes the rounds in the other. It's kind of funny to me that no one I know IRL has ever showed up here, esp. given how small a town Pgh is (especially among those with mental whateverness). I guess there have been a couple of one degree of separation things, but thats it.
Thanks for 461, JRoth; I'm vaguely relieved.
It's endlessly amusing to me when Unfogged folks tangle with my Meatworld FB friends.
461 has been more or less my experience as well. There's a fair amount of interaction among Unfogged people on FB, but it's different in various ways from the interaction here.
463 is fantastic. The time my schmibertarian brother tangled with Emerson was a joy to watch.
Delurking (again)/
I've been reading Unfogged more or less regularly for a very long time and even commented a time or two back in the old time, the Ogged time (maybe 2005). I've got some threads bookmarked. Mostly I haven't become a regular because I'm afraid it would become a massive time-sink and also, although as I said I'm a long time and fairly regular reader, I'm afraid I've missed enough that I feel vaguely uneasy that I am not aware of all Unfogged traditions (and therefore might be asked to bring pastries). I don't know what I'm afraid of really as mostly I'm pretty well behaved, get along well with other people and don't poop in the shower and squish it down the drain with my feet. So there's that.
I'd like to quote 445.1 in my promotional materials. Seriously.
Go for it.
Ooh, sorry, Barry, but shower shit-squishing is now de rigeur. It was only deprecated to keep Bitch happy, but she's gone now, so....
Ned, you could make an e-mail account as cryptic ned and then a Facebook account. I know someone whose account is Prospero [Real Last Name]. He also likes to give random names to baristas.
I, um, still occassionally revisit and update my spreadsheet in case I ever have occasion to participate in a contest of lyrical prowess here again.
466: Barry, do not concern yourself with unfamiliarity with all unfogged traditions. You can just ask, and people here are not so unkind as to refuse to explain.
B-but, JRoth, I occasionally comment at CT where she's at now so...
Just keep the poop resting in the run-off over there.
Aaand I feel myself getting sucked in...
Don't think I could stand the feeling between my toes.
Yeah, this is me, making poop jokes on Unfogged. Please kill me now.
BTW, someone should do a FAQ of all Unfogged traditions.
Oh guys, that rap battle was very special.
North Carolina would be awesome!
Also, C-Ville, Va!
someone should do a FAQ of all Unfogged traditions
I think of that from time to time -- Balloon Juice has a BJ lexicon guide on its sidebar, which I've only ever looked at once, truth be told. It would be amusing to do something like that here, and it would probably open the place to newcomers, but it might also be daunting, and possibly kind of stupid.
a FAQ of all Unfogged traditions.
We have one of those! It's called TFA.
We are pronouncing "Unfoggedecadecon" un-fog-eh'-duh-CA-duh-con, correct?
449: Now, if I had been to the Kentucky Derby, I wouldn't get to look at people like "yes, and we ate Kentucky Fried Chicken at every meal and the grass is brilliant neon blue" when their first question was "did you ever go to the Kentucky Derby?" (In other words, no--I never went. Though we liked going to the local racetracks and went for senior skip day.)
I'm pronouncing it as Unfoggedecagon.
TFA are fucking impossible to read at this point, Stanley! Anyway, fresh meat blood is what we want.
a FAQ of all Unfogged traditions
For whatever reason, I always assumed that Standpipe hosted this.
471: Did Ogged really die of cancer or is that just a weird in-joke?
Is Unf really a baby?
Where does the expression "Btocked" come from?
5,000 comments a year is like 3% of 2010. And of course it's different. But every comment on every thread is different. Except when I repeat myself.
a BJ lexicon guide on its sidebar
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I feel that Benquo is having me on there, in 484.
The Kentucky Derby sounds totally fun. I hate the phrase "bucket list" but I'd like to go once.
FWIW, C-ville VA would be more likely to get my attendance than other locales mentioned. Combo of distance and the number of alumnae to which I'm married.
488: Only the second question is insincere. (I can see for myself that Unf is a baby. It's right there in the photo!)
The first and third are genuine.
I wasn't serious. Didn't you notice the exclamation point?
Did Ogged really die of cancer or is that just a weird in-joke?
Where does the expression "Btocked" come from?
From a drunken Brock Landers comment signed Btock Lamerf.
493: Wow, those were quite close to what I would have guessed. What a relief about Ogged. Thank goodness.
I was a little worried because I did remember some comments about Ogged having cancer, and this causing him to leave the blog, and that didn't seem like the sort of thing people would just make up or joke about. And then there were the comments about Ogged having "ascended" and other apparent implications that he'd died, so I was a little worried.
I suspected "Btocked" had to do with urple, but I couldn't figure out how.
a FAQ of all Unfogged traditions
The idea has been discussed at various points in the past and rejected for reasons that I can't now recall.
Although we seem to be doing it now.
Bad thing about backwards-gazing: reading old threads from a year or two back in which I am commenting. Present-self thinks recent-past-self reads like a bit of an arse.
If people wanted to make it C-ville, I'd be honored to host something at my small-ish but conveniently located house. However, given the long and storied role of "going presidential", it would be tempting to consider renting out Jefferson's, Madison's, or Monroe's house.
I guess one can't just rent out a homeless shelter for an evening.
I guess one can't just rent out a homeless shelter for an evening.
Maybe not officially, but with some effort, ingenuity, and good acting...
I'm still pretty fond of my Farewell to Ogged.
Since nobody else has said anything about this, that really was one of the best posts on unfogged. It got plenty of love at the time, but it's worth celebrating again.
Also, I like the idea of an unfoggedDecCon. I don't know if I could make it, but I can at least promise to chip in for the slush find.
Bad thing about backwards-gazing: reading old threads from a year or two back in which I am commenting. Present-self thinks recent-past-self reads like a bit of an arse.
You have to wait a year or two. It usually just takes me a second or two after hitting "post"
I guess one can't just rent out a homeless shelter for an evening.
Does it have wifi?
-See what I did there?
OK, it should be no surprise that we're repeating ourselves, but here's part of a previous discussion of GPAs and AP classes and pluses and minuses.
I always use the word "btocked" in my head for when I look back in time and realize that I was dangerously, stupidly black-out miserable drunk, but for some reason stayed awake and walking around and talking and doing things.
dangerously, stupidly black-out miserable drunk, but for some reason stayed awake and walking around and talking and doing things
This is the story of my life.
More questions:
Was there actually a thread where everyone said what their income was?
Did Heebie really send around pictures of her butt?
When I use the instructions in 124 to find my earliest comment, I get this which shows up on google as being from 2005, which sounds about when I started. But the time stamp on the post says 2010, as does the main post and the post from B.PhD that the main post links to.
Hrmm.
I did come here from Bitch Ph.D., so blame her. I'd love to come to an UnfoggeDeccaCon, and would contribute money for others to come.
Was there actually a thread where everyone said what their income was?
Did Heebie really send around pictures of her butt?
Sort of, I did.
And yes, I did.
There was a thread where some people said what their income was but more people declined to do so. AFAIK, heebie did send around pictures of her butt but, to my great chagrin, I was not on the recipient list.
And pwned, to add insult to injury.
Otherwise, this comment, on fighting/fucking your clone seems to be my first.
I don't bookmark threads, but I do bookmark comments. It looks like I've marked 71 of them, starting with this remark from Emerson.
That thread in 513 is classic, and contains one of my favorite Bob quotes of all time.
498: Rereading old threads I occasionally come across something by an illiterate halfwit babbling incoherently in vain search of something resembling a point only to realize it's me. Ditto the arse thing*. And every so often I find something I agree with completely, couldn't have said it better myself yadda yadda, oh look.
*The name of my band's next album.
We are pronouncing "Unfoggedecadecon" un-fog-eh'-duh-CA-duh-con, correct?
Un fogga da catacomb 2K12! This time the grotto is serious.
Hey, the Btock thread reveals a gift from Ogged from the Great Beyond: a mix!
Some of you may already have it, of course, but I didn't.
I'm having a grand time revisiting these ancient threads. However, I'd never felt older here than posting a mix and having AWB remark, "Aw, 04 is my mom's favorite song."
I suppose that one did contain a lot of old music, but Track 4 wasn't one of them.
513: Some of Emerson's best quotes are scattered around the internet. It would be a great service if someone collected them. And by someone, I mean not me.
AFAIK, heebie did send around pictures of her butt but, to my great chagrin, I was not on the recipient list.
She did! I've seen 'em.
And between those photos and the ones I've seen of Jammies, when they grow up HP and HP will have the finest asses known to mankind.
Was there actually a thread where everyone said what their income was?
As I recall, only a few people did. There was some meta-discussion with Witt in the pro-reveal camp and Ogged in the anti- camp. The reasoning for not revealing was that it was bad for Unfogged, as this is intended to be a space of equality of voice, regardless of income level. Witt, on the other hand, felt that this amounted to sweeping reality under the rug, making income level something-of-which-we-do-not-speak, and was reflective of a wider and destructive habit in our society. She thought we shouldn't perpetuate that. Good points on all sides.
More than you wanted to know?
I just realized I may not be the lowest-paid employed Unfogger any more. I'm still pretty low-paid though.
When am I going on that Lynyrd Skynyrd cruise anyhow, Halford?
Didn't I put some kind of condition on that offer to ensure I'd never realistically have to pay? I sure hope so. But, if you would go on the Lynyrd Skynyrd cruise and promise to agitate and live-blog, we could talk.
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Just read that once on tour pianist Cecil Taylor was stopped at customs and asked to open his two large and very heavy suitcases. They were both packed with technical textbooks about bridge construction. I love Cecil Taylor.
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re: 525
Heheh. I have a lot of affection for the album he did 'with'* Gil Evans (Into the Hot).
* I don't think Evans was involved with the sessions except in some sort of curatorial sense(?).
524: You said the person would have to wear pro-Union t-shirts or something. I'm game.
Of course, I'd need to have device capable of liveblogging. I'm not sure my netbook would be appropriate. Are cruise ships all wi-fied nowadays? They'd almost have to be, wouldn't they?
Oh, here's what you said:
Actually, the Lynyrd Skynyrd theme cruise might be the worst idea. Want to get away from the confederate flags? Oh shit you can't YOU'RE ON A BOAT. I will personally pay for any Unfogged commenter to go on that, unless it seems like you might actually have fun.
YES. I knew I put weasel words in there somewhere. I was getting worried they'd revoke my license to practice law.
So, yeah, I don't know would I actually have fun? Depends on your definition of "fun", I guess. If, by some bizarre chance, I ever did wind up on a cruise ship, I would totally try to sneak into the employees' dive bar. That sounds like it would be the most fun part.
Were Mr. Paennim my client, I'd argue that his current physical condition, albeit under treatment, precludes any reasonable likelihood of actual fun. Pay up.
Nah, Natlio's an agitator and a fighter. He'd definitely have fun agitating, plus deck chairs seem like just the thing if you have the gout. I am worried that Witt or Parsimon might take me up on the offer, though; I'd be left without an argument.
518: I missed that thread/mix. Looks really good. Ooh, very excited.
BTW, I find Holler to be one of my favorite mixes, well suited to walking around doing errands or long bike rides.
I just realized I may not be the lowest-paid employed Unfogger any more. I'm still pretty low-paid though.
Dude. I was on food stamps for 2 years. Including while working on Heebie's fabulous house. Hell, I'm doing much better now, but I still had $12.77 in the ol' bank account this morning.
I was making so little that it would have been tight even if I didn't have little mouths to feel. I think that one year my practice cleared $9,000. Including freelance stuff I did for others.
I think it's pretty clear that I am now, if I would not have been then, on Witt's side of the discussion.
I still had $12.77 in the ol' bank account this morning.
How much is in the new bank account?
I made shitty money when I said it was a bad idea and I make shitty money now, and I still think it is (and was) a bad idea.
Posting our bank account balances might be an even better idea than posting our incomes.
Also, our bank names, user names, social security numbers, and account passwords. You first.
I don't have strong feelings on whether it's a bad idea or not. I've never really cared if people knew and it's all moot as my and the wife's salaries have been public record for years.
Follow-up to 42/54: the following year, they did not hire me to write the speech.
I have committed it to memory and don't feel like going all the way over to yahoo to find the thread, but I often explain "the perfect outfit" to people. (Giant clock around the neck. T-shirt with your face on it. Stovepipe hat with a daisy sticking out of the top.)
Yep. My salary is also public information.
They didn't hire you to write the speech! Even after all the good things we put in it?! I'm outraged.
Speaking of incomes, I was a little surprised at how little [ATTENTION PARSIMON: THIS IS IN A RELATIVE SENSE, I REALIZE THIS GUY IS RICH] that Goldman Sachs guy who left with the angry op-ed made. $500k total/yr including bonus, after about a 13 year tenure there and a reasonably senior position.
No wonder he was pissed at the other guys.
I'm interested in a Decacon. NC and C-ville are relatively easy for me to get to. I've never been to Austin and would like to go sometime.
544: what I read is that he wasn't in a reasonably senior position at all. I know he had "vp" in his title, but GS has 12,000 VPs (literally). And that, if he was a reasonably good performer, after 12 years he should have been more senior than that--junior MD level (at least). So, his comp. may have been low because he wasn't doing well. Certainly plenty of people at GS much more junior than that pull down much more than that.
Nice link chain. I see I got the clock wrong. It's a dollar-sign belt buckle. Fancy that.
The original perfect outfit post was in a thread where I expressed a hope for Ogged's future that hopefully came to pass.
I missed that thread/mix
I keep all of mine here, fwiw.
525 made my day. I think I also love Cecil Taylor -- his music is "the kind of thing I like," despite the fact that I have to be dragged kicking and screaming to a pair of earphones these days. Or to a film. I have no idea what's wrong with me.
I'm apparently the kind of introvert who is also introverted online; I can't see commenting above this level in the future (once or twice a month, or one or two flurries a month?). But I would like to know one thing, if anyone can oblige: the "About Bob" in the sidebar does not refer to mcmanus, right? Or does it? There was some other Bob back in the sands of time..?
I'm in an MLA field and love Boston, but there ain't gonna be job interviews for me. However, today is the abstract submission deadline, so why not? I can go to the MFA and get egregious delight from that shark painting.
Tweety and I would likely make it to a meetup in the fall, wherever it was. FTR.
your definition of "fun"
Also covered in TFA.
the "About Bob" in the sidebar does not refer to mcmanus, right?
Gosh, no.
After this much time teaching the youth on the Farm, incidentally, I was very shaken by the Greg Smith op-ed, as it provided definitive proof that they don't grow up. It was actually unnerving to read.
556: rats. I kind of wanted a good story about whatever had turned him.
Wait a minute, I've got it: we hold the meetup on the Lynyrd Skynyrd cruise!
Clearly the ideal context for UnfoggeDecadeCon is a Patagonian knitting cruise.
518: My mom went through a phase during my freshman year of college when she tried to get hip to the young people's music. It's not you; it's her.
get egregious delight from that shark painting.
Wait, what shark painting?
Damn, work has cut down on my reading here. Work sucks.
Unfoggedecadecon should be at Al's new place in the tropics. OK, that might be a travel challenge. But I can imagine how fun it would be.
! Mosquito !
What are we talking about?
Mosquito?!
I did see quite a few bees today in No VA. Me, I love honey but the pollen is killing me. It will be a long, itchy, allergy season.
566: I saw a very large bumble bee today. It was flying around like it was drunk. I'm guessing it had just woken up. (And gotten drunk.)
I've seen a couple of mosquitos already. After the winter that never came, this summer is going to be brutal.
Yeah, I think they're all waking up, at least here on the middle east coast. Freakily 70+ degree (F) weather, which is lovely and enjoyable, but a tad early. A person practically has to give up her socks and switch to skirts, if this continues.
this summer is going to be brutal
*weeps*
Suck it east coasters. I've got happy summer thoughts like how fly fishing is going to start earlier than usual.
We're still a few inches shy of the snow record, but we've got a few weeks left of winter. There's some chance of snow at various points in the next few days, including tonight.
I almost laid out by the pool today since it was hot without being unbearable (80F). But I decided I'd rather procrastinate with my dog inside. Grad school is a life-style.
I would totally show up for the Unfoggedecadecon but, like others, who knows where I'll be or if I'll have money or a job.
You almost lay out by the pool today.
When he gets older, he wants to be like Labs.
HEY! I ALMOST GOT LAID, BY THE POOL!
In the wrods of the great Ogged (PUBH):
just make so many mistakes that B-dub is overwhelmed, and doesn't even bother.
Remember when I made the St. Patrick's Day cake, a la whatsherface? I just got a comment on it:
dude i would have enjoyed this more if u would have shut up.
I'm not sure what's to enjoy, whether I shut up or not, if you're not in on the original joke. Even if you know the original joke, it's not my best.
580. You got a YouTube comment! And a typical one at that.
These old threads and posts are good. I just took the "What Kind of English Do You Speak" quiz from the post below the linked one in 579. Which post was from 2005, not that there's anything wrong with that.
Probably best to go do something else, though.
Tweety and I would likely make it to a meetup in the fall, wherever it was. FTR.
As would I! I'd already been planning a trip back east later this year (DC and NYC), and had figured it'd be a good opportunity to finally meet a bunch of you IRL. This'd be even better.
548 sounds about right to me. The closer you get to high finance, the less impressive it is to be a VP.
If you're a VP at Bank of America, you might have a position of moderate responsibility at a branch. Or manage a few people.
At some less banky financial institutions, a VP can be kind of a big deal, managing people who manage people.
In the ordinary corporate world, a VP can be even more important, managing a whole department.
And of course in government, the VP reports directly to the CEO and is first in the line of succession.
Present-self thinks recent-past-self reads like a bit of an arse.
I suspect many of us have this experience looking at old threads.
a FAQ of all Unfogged traditions.
It's all in my spreadsheet.
589: Oh, real nice. No wonder comment traffic is down.
367: I have to admit, I find 330 to be a depressing objective measure of my skill as a blogger.
I briefly considered not posting the numbers. I vaguely recall having started gathering those stats (it's a pretty quick process) sometime in the past based on another backward-looking thread that touched on comment volume but stopping in part because LB (I think) indicated she would rather not see the data. Although I could be imagining that or way over-interpreting some stray remark. But now that you've explicitly raised it, it is hardly the conclusion I would draw.
(I was planning on writing this comment even before the snarkologial imperative compelled me to respond to 589 with 590. )
Eh, I don't actually mind that you posted the stats. I'm glad it hasn't continued to plummet over the past three years. (Merely trickle lower...)
But honestly, the remaining bloggers don't tend to post the vast quantity of "Here's a link that I'm judging harshly in a two-line post" that Ogged used to post all the time. One factor of many.
You asshole.
434: but if I wouldn't be surprised if interactions/communications (including likes of links) replace as much as 5,000 comments a year. [That's 150 a day, and I'm extrapolating from the 25-30 per day that I observe].
I can't believe you pedants let this gross innumeracy go unremarked upon. Or maybe someone did and I missed it in the intervening 1500 comments or so.
Heh.
I revised the numbers 3 or 4 times, and lost the thread. But actually, I think both my observational data is reasonably correct, and my conclusion -- because of the differing nature of the kind of comments. Maybe, though, 5,000 per year is low.
Maybe each of us can offer ten Pauly Shore comments per day, which will (a) bump up the numbers and (b) comfort us in the ToS' absence.
586: The closer you get to high finance, the less impressive it is to be a VP.
At the stock brokerage I worked at, there were some sales assistants who were VPs, based on long tenure and high production numbers of the broker they worked for. On the operations side, you mostly had to be a manager of at least 10-12 people to get to the lowest level of Veepdom. Still, not very impressive, really.
(My little brother just ended a year as a VP with GS. He's a smart guy and a hard worker, but he worked out of his house, with no staff, and his job involved driving around Kansas promoting GS funds to brokers of various kinds. He may have gotten tired of me asking him about drinking the blood of innocents.)
593 written before seeing 592.last so I'm not necessarily singling out any one person whose profession would make them notice an error like that. You'd think anyway.
Why, is there an arithmetician who is a regular here?
I was just visiting a very non-finance company where I was surprised to learn that basically all of the managers in my area of work (important but not exceptionally critical to its mission) in the company were VPs.
597: We had some correspondent brokers down in KC who were just complete morons. We had to explain the simplest things to them, and they couldn't work their own fax machines properly. It was really bizarre. I don't think they were just playing dumb either, as we worked with guys in NYC and NJ and Long Island who were adept at that, but you could still tell what they were up to. I think the only way the KC guys stayed in business was that they could talk really fast occasionally, which must've weirded out all their local clients.
597: The blood of innocents? I thought GS went after bigger game than that.
602 -- For mid-afternoon break, not as a company goal.
601 -- He's been doing the same kind of work for about 15 years, for various outfits, usually with a 5-8 state territory, including, sometimes, your state. I'll see if he'll make some regional generalizations. I recall that when he started with GS, he was impressed with the work ethic and esprit, having come from WF via Wachovia, I think.
597: I would drink a fucking lot of blood to work from home.
604: I'm working from home right now. It's great! The coffee's better. I get to have my window open and music blaring. I save on gas money. Only weird thing is, I notice how truly strange my neighbors are.
Yes, he thinks of the chilled wrens.
Oh man I love working from home. Which is to say: I love sitting around my house all day stoned out of my gourd and web surfing, then spending all night at the office strung out and jittery from energy drinks frantically trying to finish all my work before sun-up.
Ain't nothin' chilly about the wrens in Minneapolis today -- potential high temp of 82 degrees! In March!
potential high temp of 82 degrees!
Same as New Orleans. How 'bout that?
609: You're funnier than that, heebie.
I was hoping for better, but the good news is that the basketball season is now over, and I won't be paying any more attention to that sport.
I won't be paying any more attention to that sport.
Whereas my FB feed has become a daily explosion of VCU fandom, which, despite being an alum of sorts (took a stats class there during high school), I suspect will end in disappointment.
This comment is a decent summary.
614: I really ought to spend more time down by the riverside. There's a path down into the wildlife reserve by Mall of America that I haven't gone down in a decade, but I think about it often.
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An entomologist on the lunchroom television predicts a bad year for stinkbugs. Sorry, people south of me.
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620: Isn't a bad year for stink bugs a good year for people?
Foolish humans! Nothing can stop us from walking around slowly on your ceilings!
621: THE ONLY GOOD YEAR FOR STINKBUGS IS A DEAD YEAR FOR STINKBUGS
621: Okay, a big year for stinkbugs. There will be a lot of stinkbugs this year.
That was fun to read back through. Miss you all sometimes.
Stinkbugs are new to me. Is there anything to be done?
They are new to me as of last year. It's especially fun when they hang out between your pillows and you accidentally grab them in the middle of the night.
We just keep rubbing alcohol in some wide mouth containers with lids drop the bugs in when we find them. Caulking etc. and making sure screens and windows close well helps a little but they still get in. Not heard of anything comprehensive for them. They have been down in numbers here compared to the first wave two years ago which had my wife taking down all of our curtains.