Re: You humanities types sicken me

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Beautiful.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 6:05 PM
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Actually, writing test questions is very hard.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 6:12 PM
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Actually, writing test questions is very hard.

(T)rue or (F)alse?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 6:12 PM
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Marie-Claire Blais weeps with envy.


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 6:14 PM
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I don't know who that is! I was thinking more Agapē Agape.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 6:16 PM
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I predict that you will like her. In fact I can't believe I didn't recommend her earlier. Cf. Augustino and the Choir of Destruction.


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 6:18 PM
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This was the kind of post where the location of the next Con was going to be embedded, right?
I got a math question thrown out when I took the SAT, I think it was something with roots and they forgot to include the +/- in what was supposed to be the correct answer. I mean, I'm sure others said something too but it was one I mentioned to the proctor then I got a letter that it was thrown out so I'm claiming causality.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 6:25 PM
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Go SP!

From the linked article:

So according to the Test Development Center, it appears that it is acceptable to use scientifically correct answers for wrong responses on the Science FCAT as long as FLDOE does not expect a fifth grader to be educated enough to realize that the wrong answers are scientifically correct.

Y'know, if I squint really hard, I can sort of make out the outline of what they're trying to do here, and I can even kinda agree. But then I look at one of the examples, and I'm just boggled all over again:

This sample question offers the following observations, and asks which is scientifically testable.

1. The petals of red roses are softer than the petals of yellow roses.
2. The song of a mockingbird is prettier than the song of a cardinal.
3. Orange blossoms give off a sweeter smell than gardenia flowers.
4. Sunflowers with larger petals attract more bees than sunflowers with smaller petals.

I am fairly certain that a five-year-old of my close acquaintance would be able to answer this question. Not a fifth grader, a five-year-old. Florida, you are in Trouble with a capital T and that rhymes with....oh, never mind.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 6:39 PM
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Its possible that with the mania for testing over the past decade, all the good test questions have been used up, and we are now left with the dregs. We may well have hit peak test-question.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 6:40 PM
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Clearly the question in 8 is training kids to recognize that they can intuit what test-writers are looking for. The answer is "one of these answers is phrased less like a kid talks and more like an adult talks". Then you know to look for that kind of difference in the future.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 6:42 PM
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The answer is "one of these answers is phrased less like a kid talks and more like an adult talks"

Is that true? I have a hard time seeing that.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 6:44 PM
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2. The song of a mockingbird is prettier than the song of a cardinal.

This is totally empirically testable.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 6:46 PM
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11: Yes, because 1-3 sound like they might happen to me, a kid, and 4 sounds like someone talking about the relationship between two things that aren't me.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 6:48 PM
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Spike, you actually made me chuckle.

Heebie, no, no -- clearly one must be able to see that science is manly, with none of those namby-pamby ladywords like softer, prettier, sweeter. Real Science is about tough, hard words like, uh, size.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 6:48 PM
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Yes, because 1-3 sound like they might happen to me, a kid, and 4 sounds like someone talking about the relationship between two things that aren't me.

4 is also noticeably longer than the other three.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 6:51 PM
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I know the answer, it must be
J) 1, 3, and 4


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 6:52 PM
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Real Science is about tough, hard words like, uh, size.

The hardest thing about this sentence is deciding which SMBC to link to illustrate it.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 6:52 PM
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12: Just make sure that in evaluating the music you're not influenced by the fact that the cardinal is wearing a fancy costume.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 6:55 PM
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This one.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 6:55 PM
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Hardness/softness is empirically testable. The Mohr scale for minerals (talc = 1, diamond = 10) is a well known measurement system. If it had said the hardness of minerals instead of flowers that would have been completely correct. I don't know that there's a corresponding hardness scale for other things besides minerals, although I'm sure you could devise something involving pressure required to penetrate the flower (laydeez.)


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 7:02 PM
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They fuck you up, your mum and dad*.

*To the extent that they serve as a proxy for the entire adult world.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 7:04 PM
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The Mohr scale for minerals (talc = 1, diamond = 10) is a well known measurement system

IIRC from my years-ago reading of Wandering Significance, there are multiple different incompatible tests for hardness, relevant for different kinds of concerns.

Not that you couldn't apply them to flower petals.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 7:05 PM
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Too many heads on bodies among the people who devise the standardized tests.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 7:06 PM
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I once etched my name into a diamond with talcum powder, but now I can't find the diamond to prove it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 7:06 PM
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Mohr

Mohs.

I know, WMIBSALB.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 7:16 PM
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19: A strong choice.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 7:18 PM
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I believe this is why they invented law school.


Posted by: Grumbles | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 7:22 PM
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In order to enlarge genitalia to absurd proportions?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 7:24 PM
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No, a lot of people who go to law school are already enormous dicks.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 7:27 PM
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Present company excluded, I'm sure.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 7:33 PM
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Some such reasoning process is why (in part at least) I went into math.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 8:11 PM
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What'd the rest of you go into, Shearer?


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 8:31 PM
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To the post, I address my applause.

To these fucking tests I say: "Jesus fucking Christ. For fuck's sake."


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 8:53 PM
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I went in to math, once.

Wait, maybe that was someone else.


Posted by: Grumbles | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 9:55 PM
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The document indicates that 4 is the correct answer, but answers 1 and 3 are also scientifically testable.

HA! I was right!


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 10:21 PM
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I applaud and echo 33.


Posted by: parodie | Link to this comment | 04-23-12 10:37 PM
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You're an animal, Ben. A savage brute, a beast who snorts and paws the ground in front of the paddock gate to be let out into the green fields beyond. But you will never be let out.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 04-24-12 3:22 AM
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A beautiful animal.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-24-12 5:09 AM
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36: Me three.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-24-12 10:00 AM
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