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I saw Eddie Money open for the Clash and the Who in 1982.

That sounds so preposterous, even I can hardly believe it.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 11:26 AM
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Back in the late 90s I was doing a summer workshop thing at Los Alamos & the Santa Fe Institute. Driving through the desert outside Santa Fe we passed a fairly dismal looking Indian Casino, and guess who the headlining act was?


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 11:28 AM
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@ 2.

Hint: it wasn't The Clash.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 11:29 AM
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The Who?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 11:32 AM
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Where?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 11:33 AM
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Where is on first.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 11:35 AM
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Whoa.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 11:37 AM
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Where opened for Who?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 11:37 AM
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Whisk!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 11:45 AM
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Yeah, this song is up there on the list of "things about heterosexuality that would make a lot more sense if it turned out they were created by a gay man".


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 11:45 AM
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That is exactly right.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 11:47 AM
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(And to be clear, hipster Tom Waits style snapping is not what she's accomplishing, in that song. She is clearly writhing around on a corvette while snapping her fingers. Hot.)

Never having heard the song and only reading the lyrics, I had a more sinister picture in mind, like the scene in Blue Velvet ("You know what a love letter is? A bullet from a fucking gun", etc.).

Speaking of hipster affectations, have people heard the kids bringing back "mama" as a term of address, Led Zep style? It's happening.



Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 11:52 AM
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I suppose there's snapping a la Molly Ringwald, dancing on the railing in Breakfast Club. Snapping was just sexy, I guess.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 11:56 AM
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Maybe if both parties have some sort of awkwardly placed callous, sex sounds like snapping.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 11:59 AM
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I could kill you for planting this song in my head.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:00 PM
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The song explicitly says snapping her fingers. It's not like they're swimming.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:00 PM
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The video for the song doesn't live up to expectations or clear things up. Shakin' commences at 2:37.


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:00 PM
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15: It's the worst! Have fun!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:01 PM
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Here's the original video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA1wDgPZCDA


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:02 PM
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I can't watch the video, at the moment. Are we talking Peggy Lee-style sexy snapping?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:03 PM
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Eddie does some snapping in the video. Eddie is one hell of a heavy-lidded douchebag. He looks like he's going to fall asleep mid-leer.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:06 PM
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Eddie Money was the poor woman's Rick Springfield.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:08 PM
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Hang on, I was thinking of Rita Moreno. I can't remember if Peggy Lee does sexy snapping.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:08 PM
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Speaking of hipster affectations, have people heard the kids bringing back "mama" as a term of address, Led Zep style?

Since Criminally Bulgur pwned me so shamelessly, I won't let this go by.

Led Zep style? Is it Led Zep style because it's done so inauthentically?

Bob Dylan did it inauthentically in "Mama, You Been on My Mind"

Blind Willie McTell in Broke Down Engine did it, "If you're a real hot mama, come take away daddy's weeping spell"


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:09 PM
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The fact that Eddie Money was ever popular must be mystifying to anyone who didn't watch MTV in its infancy, when he was one of only ten or so artists making videos so they had little choice but to show them constantly.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:11 PM
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the list of "things about heterosexuality that would make a lot more sense if because it turned out they were created by a gay man"


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:11 PM
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Speaking of hipster affectations, have people heard the kids bringing back "mama" as a term of address, Led Zep style?

Using the word "lady" instead of "woman" is starting to spread to places other than the hipster community, so I guess something else is needed.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:11 PM
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26 is the snapocalypse.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:12 PM
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OMG!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5Uw1lJ2C9U&feature=related


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:12 PM
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26 has a LOT of snapping. Mystery solved.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:21 PM
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Was 5 addressed to 1?

I'll assume so. It was at Pontiac Stadium.

The year before I was Iggy Pop and Santana open for the Rolling Stones there. Iggy Pop got booed off the stage.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:23 PM
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31: The year before I was Iggy Pop

That actually is not true. "was" is supposed to be "saw". Hope no one was confused.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:24 PM
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Eddie Money was one of a bunch of scuzzy rock bands popular around 1980. Nazareth, Thin Lizzie, The Scorpions. Not just due to MTV.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:41 PM
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Scuzzy? Or snappy?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:43 PM
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Cheap Trick was kind of snappy. Rickie Lee Jones definitely was. Stevie Nicks was a silken and meaningful snap of the finggers personified.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 12:51 PM
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Oh, Big Dog, don't ever change. [warning: a video on the page with sound starts automatically]


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:06 PM
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Stevie Nicks was a silken and meaningful snap of the fingers personified

The opening chords of "Edge of Seventeen" still unfailingly evoke for me the memory of being a teenager experiencing surging hormones.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:09 PM
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Speaking of the rock and roll music, I should venture forth into the rain to maintain my connections with my rock booker friend. It's a fattening job, but somebody's got to do it, I suppose.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:13 PM
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33: I can't quite work out who's being insulted worse in a comparison of Eddie Money to Nazareth and Thin Lizzy. But surely the Scorpions have them all out-scuzzed.


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:13 PM
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24: I meant, more mundanely, that it's apt to be used in a sentence that starts "hey, mama, . . ." , though there are clearly layers of analysis to do on the phenomenon.

I think part of the OP's original beffuddlement comes from the conflation of snapping sexily and writhing on corvettes, Tawney Kitain style. Both clear and related 80s phenomena, but never actually combined in the heterosexual imagination, I would argue.


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:18 PM
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i'm starting to hear people use "baby" as a generic term of address.

as a 41 year old man, it's strange when a 20-summin' cashier calls me 'baby'.

she calls me 'baby'; she calls everybody 'baby'.


Posted by: cleek | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:21 PM
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40: the conflation of snapping sexily and writhing on corvettes, Tawney Kitain style

Surely that would merit a full-on "Ay! Mamacita!"


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:21 PM
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36: Three women, two porn starlets, and it's the non-porn person who has the biggest breasts?


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:22 PM
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39. Here's a list of bands that played the Aragon Ballroom, Chicago's perfect concert shithole.


November 28, 1980 Molly Hatchet Michael Schenker
December 5, 1980 Alvin Lee
December 6, 1980 Babys Off Broadway
February 15, 1981 Boomtown Rats Jim Carrol
Febraury 20, 1981 Nazareth April Wine
April 17, 1981 Outlaws McGuffey Lane
May 22, 1981 April Wine .38 Special
May 24, 1981 Ozzy Osbourne Motor Head
July 11, 1981 Plasmatics
August 22, 1981 Pretenders Bureau
October 9, 1981 Triumph Point Blank
October 16, 1981 Deva
October 23, 1981 Blackfoot Def Leppard
November 13, 1981 Nazareth Joe Perry Vic Vergat
December 11, 1981 Grand Funk Diesel Moonlite Drive
December 12, 1981 Rossington Collins Henry Paul
April 3, 1982 B-52′s Video Dance Party
April 9, 1982 Sammy Hagar Aldo Nova
May 22, 1982 Motorhead Krokus Fist


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:24 PM
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"Buffalo Springfield" is a much less stupid name for a band when you concentrate on it as the name of a railroad.

The Solipsistic Shibboleths would be a good name for a band.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:26 PM
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I hear Rossington Collins Henry Paul is about to collapse like some of these other law firms that overexpanded.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:27 PM
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Tawney Kitaen

And get off my Corvette


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:28 PM
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47 to 40, 42

Good grief Stevie Nicks is no finger snapper. Ever.

Rickie Lee Jones yes, later Joni.

Thought of Anita O'Day. Actually went out and watched the whole "America" scene from WSS. Clapping, no snapping, but Rita Moreno and George Chakiris. Sexy overdosed and died in that movie. Play it cool, boys.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:33 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mVpGmoES3w

Gets special after 0:55


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:39 PM
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I could have a field day with sexy fingersnappin, beat style.

Oh God, Dick Shawn in Mad Mad Mad, with so cool she's comatose girlfriend. Is that what I am remembering?

Finger snappin in the Madison if you need sexy snappin


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:40 PM
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44 is the playlist of the damned.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:45 PM
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from 44 :
October 16, 1981 Deva

Is that supposed to be Devo?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:48 PM
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49: Those poor girls, suffering from that disease that replaces your bones with rubber.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:51 PM
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52. Yes, apparently. It looks like there's a collector community for old ticket stubs. I guess I shouldn't have used those old concert shirts for rags.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:54 PM
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All the old dudes who hang out at the Spanish-language AA meeting place down the block from us call Jane "mama" all the time. Hey, mama!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 2:00 PM
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44: I saw Jawbreaker open for Nirvana there. The sound sucks hard. Mr Cobain suggested that "instead of cans of food" show-goers should be encouraged to each bring a pillow.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 2:06 PM
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Also the whole place is saturated in vomit and the bouncers were sadists, maybe still are. "perfect" modifies "shithole," a place that is the inverse of optimal, a pessimal venue.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 2:16 PM
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People always brought canned food to see Nirvana?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 2:16 PM
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58: to throw onstage in appreciation. It was a little like women's underwear at Smiths shows.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 2:25 PM
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58: That was a very scene-ish thing to do in Seattle. But Kurt was in Chicago, and not in the scene, as it were.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 2:26 PM
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||Just saw a commercial for Chris Christie that repeated the phrase "Chris Christie and other moderates from both parties" like sixteen times.|>


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 2:27 PM
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58: People always brought canned food to see Nirvana?

Who's the real sadists? "Wow, the visuals at this show are terrific! Oh right, I forgot, you're in a can."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 2:28 PM
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I never did see Nirvana live. Saw the Foo Fighters, which is basically the happy Nirvana.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 2:30 PM
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A pessimal venue would apparently have seats.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 2:34 PM
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61: "Chris Christie totally hangs with his dawg, Cory Booker."


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 2:37 PM
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That's true, seats and attack dogs would make the place worse. I stand corrected.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 2:43 PM
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44: I actually think I would've put up* with a place saturated in vomit and sadistic bouncers** to see a double bill of Ozzy Ozbourne and Motorhead. Or the precursors of The Style Council opening for the Pretenders. The Boomtown Rats and Jim Carroll, not so much, though.

(* If I'd been more than six years old at the time, anyway.)

(** I endured worse to see Blackalicious live, after all.)


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 3:37 PM
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Not the sort of thing I think the OP has in mind, but:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfANFQOLGKA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBHEcck9dek


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 4:09 PM
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All the old dudes who hang out at the Spanish-language AA meeting place down the block from us call Jane "mama" all the time. Hey, mama!

We get this a lot, too. All the Hispanic women in town say "Hey mamas!" at the kids.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 5:54 PM
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...and there she is, you can see her right there, just writhing on the hood of the car! What was David Coverdale to do?


Posted by: OPINIONATED THADDEUS S. "RUSTY" VENTURE | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 6:02 PM
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Eddie Money was great. Someone said "scuzzy" upthread? Please.

Also, Rickie Lee Jones is awesome. I don't know what "snappy" is, but it is not how I would describe her.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 6:12 PM
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It was at Pontiac Stadium.

I went to that concert, too, peep. So you weren't alone, in case you were wondering.


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 6:56 PM
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I don't know what "snappy" is, but it is not how I would describe her.

On Balm in Gilead, she is specifically credited with fingersnaps.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:02 PM
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Oh, snap!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:04 PM
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73: True.

I associate Rickie Lee Jones most immediately with the song "Skeletons" off of Pirates. Someone else will have to find a recording of it; it's haunting, moving. That's my first association, in any case.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:25 PM
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Eddie Money was great.

Have you considered pitching this to Slate?


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:30 PM
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That would be great. "How Eddie Money Saved Rock" might be an angle to take.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:35 PM
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I've never really considered trying to make money off my apparently contrarian views, Blandings. Will take it under advisement.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:36 PM
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Have you made much money by agreeing with people?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:40 PM
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Some.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:43 PM
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I, on the other hand, needed to follow the links before I was convinced that the title did not refer to the "Shake It" by DJ Shy-D. (We didn't have MTV in our house growing up.)


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:59 PM
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Next on the agenda: the rehabilitation of jazz hands.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 8:08 PM
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"jazz hands" s/b "jazz hands!"


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 8:18 PM
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Also, the Wikipedia page on jazz hands! quotes the man who taught me and my classmates the foxtrot in dancing school in seventh grade.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 8:21 PM
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I have seen many standpipes in my time, but not until today have I seen a bridgeplate.

That is all.


Posted by: Ham-Love | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 8:49 PM
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62 In that vein here's Peggy Lee doing Fever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYW2wOhr7-w


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 9:54 PM
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44 -- Winterland 1977:

22 January Kansas, Sons Of Champlin, David La Flamme
29 January Dave Mason, Sammy Hagar, Alpha Band
19 February Kinks, Sutherland Brothers & Quiver, Big Wha-Koo
04 March Journey, Manfred Mann, Pousette-Dart
06 March Queen, Thin Lizzy
12 March Nils Lofgren, Cancelled
18 March Grateful Dead
19 March Grateful Dead
20 March Grateful Dead
25 March Genesis
26 March Genesis
02 April Todd Rundgren & Utopia
07 April Peter Gabriel, Yesterday & Today, Television
16 April Graham Parker, Southside Johnny, Cancelled
24 April Bob Seger, Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, Starz
14 May Dickey Betts, Kingfish, .38 Special
21 May Weather Report, Lenny White, Al DiMeola
03 June Little Feat, Clover, Little River Band
07 June Grateful Dead
08 June Grateful Dead
09 June Grateful Dead
11 June Bryan Ferry, Mother's Finest, Nuns, The
30 July Ramones, Nuns, Dictators, Notes: Also: Widowmaker
27 August Mahogany Rush, Earthquake, Greg Kihn
10 September Be Bop Deluxe, Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, Yesterday & Today
24 September Rush, UFO, Hush, Notes: Also: Max Webster
01 October Thin Lizzy, Graham Parker
22 October Sammy Hagar, Cancelled
28 October Hall & Oates, Network
29 October Santana, Cancelled
05 November J. Geils Band, Robert Gordon, Link Wray, Head East
12 November Iggy Pop, Cancelled
12 November Outlaws, Cancelled
19 November Sammy Hagar, Jay Ferguson, Chilliwack
01 December Babys, Cancelled
02 December Robin Trower, Wishbone Ash, Eddie Money
03 December Robin Trower, Wishbone Ash, Eddie Money
27 December Grateful Dead
29 December Grateful Dead
30 December Grateful Dead
31 December Grateful Dead, New Riders Of The Purple Sage


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 9:57 PM
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So, local guy goes third behind Wishbone Ash. Couple tickets to paradise in his future, of course.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 10:12 PM
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87: If you count each band by the number of times they played, I've seen almost half the bands on that list live.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 10:22 PM
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Hot.[sic]

I believe you meant Hottt.


Posted by: simulated annealing | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 12:10 AM
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71: Eddie Money was great.

In bed? As a chef? Did he do philosophy as a sideline? I hope this isn't a reference to his music...


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 12:12 AM
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87. Well, I quite liked the Dead, but maybe not 10-times-a-year-liked. Aside from that most of the people I'd have really wanted to see cancelled.


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I've got your finger snapping for ya:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flhAcRqDRXU

Unquestionably cool.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 4:54 AM
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pwned by Bob in 50


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 5:19 AM
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56: I remember that show! Oddly, it has become a fond memory, even though at the time you couldn't hear shit.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 5:27 AM
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The Flip-Pater sometimes mentions having seen Johnny Winter's debut at the Fillmore East with Michael Bloomfield. Then I ask him why Nixon won two national elections. Good times.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 5:35 AM
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To be fair, he also lost one.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 6:10 AM
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To be fair, he also lost one

At a time when Winter and Bloomfield were still in high school. The music grew up while the politics became more infantilised. Make of that what you will.


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98, c'est moi


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 6:25 AM
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92 -- I only went to 5 of them, and they were each pretty distinct. Should've gone to Bob Seger, Dickey Betts and Little Feat as well: youth is wasted on the young. I've never been to a venue I liked better than Winterland: steep balcony seats, even behind the band, open floor where the ice used to be, some much blacklight the freckled people glowed, etc.

Not sorry I missed Eddie Money.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 6:28 AM
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The list in 78 has lots of good and a few great bands. OTOH, Sammy Hagar. I hadn't realized Bill Graham was quite that invested in Hagar, and early, too.

Still, even discounting for the too much Grateful Dead problem, and even with some great bands on the bill, and despite the fact that that would be an incredible lineup for any venue today, that's still a pretty crappy list given the musical world of 1977. Hard to fathom just how far pop music has fallen.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 6:34 AM
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OMG that clip in 93 remixes in the wrong music, making one of the best scenes in the history of film look like it's being performed by a bunch of lame-os. God damn that loathsome Youtube remixing bullshit.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 6:40 AM
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101 -- Hey, only 6 Dead shows in 1978. (I went to 4, but had to work, more than 1,000 miles away, during the last one.)


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 6:40 AM
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Jesus fucking Christ there's a whole series of videos mixing in the wrong music with the dance scene from bande a part. I want every one of these Youtube motherfuckers hanging from the yardarms


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 6:45 AM
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I'm sure it's all completely legal.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 6:46 AM
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video/x6byh6_le-madison-de-ban­de-a-part_shortfilms

The original is better, certainly.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 6:46 AM
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6byh6_le-madison-de-bande-a-part_shortfilms


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 6:47 AM
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I don't get it. It looks like three people doing a line dance and one of them decided to dress like Santorum, except with sleeves on his sweater.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 6:49 AM
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The past is another country, as is France.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 6:50 AM
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http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/concerts/player.html?type=concert&ConcertID=20040361%7C2104&StartTrackID=6

And, through the magic of the internet, we can all experience EM.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 6:51 AM
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Hey Halford


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 6:52 AM
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72: That's odd. I don't remember seeing you there. Why didn't we plan a meet-up?

I know it's unlikely, but did you happen to find a backpack? It was blue, and there was a dorm library copy of Tin Drum and a spiral notebook with lots of doodles. I lost it at that concert, and I still haven't found it.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 7:05 AM
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102 Shit so it does. I had to do a quick search for that because the original I had bookmarked long ago was taken down because of copyr...hey Halford what are you complaining about!


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111: Yowza.


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 9:52 AM
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112: It was blue, and there was a dorm library copy of Tin Drum and a spiral notebook with lots of doodles.

Ah, so that explains Eddie Money's magical realism period.


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111 is kind of great


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 10:50 AM
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Eddie Money is the extremely poor man's Bob Seger. Since, as an Unfogged commenter, I cannot accept anything that would harm the extremely poor, I must embrace Eddie Money.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 11:06 AM
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Eddie Money is the extremely poor man's Bob Seger.

I would push poor people in front of trolleys in order to never hear either one again.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 11:34 AM
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I admit to a weakness for Bob Seger. Not gonna defend that one, though.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 11:36 AM
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Well, maybe I'll defend it a little. I'd say this album is genuinely pretty good. And he had the Muscle Shoals rhythm section on some albums.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 11:39 AM
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It's been a while since you couldn't watch a game without hearing Seger as the background to suggestions you should buy a truck.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 11:40 AM
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I don't really remember why I thought Eddie Money was okay at the time. He must have had some song that I liked and respected. I was not familiar with his entire oeuvre; I was vaguely aware that he was characterized by many as, let's say, downmarket, and I felt that was unfair. Apparently these feelings of mine became entrenched.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 11:47 AM
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Do you have a fondness for Shrinky-Dinks.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 11:50 AM
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123: That list still cracks me up.

"Cocteau Twins: You have spilled Zima on someone who was dressed as a dark elf."


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 12:19 PM
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I'm fully onboard with condemning the continuing hold music of the 70s has on the culture today. But it's not the fault of Bob Seger, Robert Plant, et al. that they haven't been supplanted in the way that, say, Dixieland or Glenn Miller was supplanted by the 1970s. It's those damn kids with all that noise they can't even stay committed to, on my lawn.


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He must have had some song that I liked and respected.

I don't know if I'd go as far as respected, but Take Me Home Tonight is awesome in an 80s way.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 1:15 PM
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Merits of the song aside, giving Ronnie Spector a bit of a comeback was laudable.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 1:23 PM
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126: I'm fond of that song, especially the part when Ronnie Spector sings.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 1:23 PM
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I remember being baffled by the song "Peace in our Time" -- I finally decided that Mr. Money just had no idea that the phrase had any negative associations.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 1:27 PM
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Before the internet, not everything brought Hitler to mind so quickly.


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125. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Top_Hits:_1975
Looking at that list, I like Minne Riperton a lot, but I like Blind WIllie McTell also, I'm not holding my breath for remixes of either of them.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 1:31 PM
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I far prefer Billy Squier to Eddie Money. Does EM have a song as good as "In the Dark"?

And "Everybody Wants You" is great.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 1:35 PM
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Merits of the song aside, giving Ronnie Spector a bit of a comeback was laudable.

That's the spirit! You're already 1/5 of the way to the Slate piece suggested in 76/77.


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Oh my motherfucking god do I hate Access.

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Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 1:38 PM
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I can't believe it's still in use. It's about 1% better than just using Excel as a database.

Eddie Money is about 1% better than using Excel as a piece of music.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 1:41 PM
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133: Sorry, 127 is an exhaustive list of my pro-Money arguments.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 1:43 PM
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133: This quote should get you most of the rest of the way.

Rock impresario Bill Graham said of Money "Eddie Money has it all...Not only can he sing, write and play, but he is a natural performer


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 1:44 PM
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The undeserved scorn that Eddie Money has attracted comes from several directions. Longtime fan Tim Robbins recounts the party where some damn kids just went off on Eddie Money for no good reason whan a song came up on his shuffle. It's a telling detail, since both hipsters and today's give-it-to-me now young people are on the same side when it comes to Eddie Money and his Long Island Roots.


Songs like "Two Tickets to Pradise" that laud bygone virtues of patience, shit no that's Thomas Friedman. I'd have to read Slate to get the tone down. can't do it, sorry.


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134. In the run up to Y2K a close friend and colleague had the enviable job of manually converting into Access all the small databases we had in an even more primitive and intransigent product. There were about 40 of them.

He's dead now.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 2:06 PM
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Way to insinuate.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 2:12 PM
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Basically all databases suck. SQL would be a shit language even if it hadn't stopped going to junior high school to watch scrambled pay channels all day. The notional advantage of real process control exists with severe limitations under lots of platforms, but export and porting of the code that instantiates the logic is not there-- usually you can move data but that's all, good luck handling next month's new information.


And volume-- how many times have people written their own versions of idiosyncratic in-memory index, tree structure, and sort to deal with more than a few million records?


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 2:21 PM
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Eddie Money's still got it. Whatever it was that he had, anyway, it hasn't gone away.


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 2:24 PM
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I wondered how hard it would be to find this on the Slate site and . . .bingo, under 4 seconds:

As for Nickelback, they'll forever live under the shadow of "How You Remind Me," one of the great rock singles of the 2000s--their recent hits (namely "Savin' Me") are mere variations on the theme. But the reason these Canadians succeed where, say, Puddle of Mudd failed, is because the pain in Chad Kroeger's voice is perfectly ambiguous, rejecting meaning. He's not gut-wrenched or angsty or bitter; instead, he sounds raspy and dull, with a dash of exhaustion, and what's not relatable about that? (Somewhere, Brandon Flowers is in a Harvey's, trying to figure out where it all went wrong. Be on the lookout, Carl.)

Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 2:25 PM
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143: Awesome.


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 2:26 PM
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Streaming for the 40th anniversary: http://www.dead.net/features/listening-party/europe-72-strand-lyceum-london-england-may-25-1972


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 2:30 PM
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You liberal haters just hate Eddie Money for having been a cop. Well, maybe that and the bad songs.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 2:33 PM
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Really, the comparison between the 1975 number 1 singles and the 2012 list is pretty grim, and I kind of like both that LMFAO song and the Rihanna song.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 2:59 PM
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141: If I may speculate: people do so many different things with databases that one-size-fits-all programs like Access serve them poorly. Excel and Word don't have the same problem because there's a lot in common between very simplistic word processing and very sophisticatedelaborate; same deal with spreadsheets (both the dumbest tabulation and the most complex forecast will include sums, products, etc in great profusion). But a list of land data, a project list, and an inventory will have almost nothing in common except that they consist of a lot of discrete pieces of data that can be categorized variously.

We'd probably be better served with two very different programs targeting the two ends of the market (a la iMovie and FinalCut Pro), but thanks to the power of MS Office, the vast majority of ad hoc databases are on Access, a program that really doesn't do anything very well (or perhaps readily). Access has never been on the Mac, and I think that my suggested dynamic has played out ("dumb" programs for recipe databases, "smart" ones for enterprise stuff), except that the market has been too small/fragmented for any one program to dominate the high or low ends (maybe FileMaker counts?).

Or I could be completely wrong! At times I've been knee-deep in various databases, but I claim no sophistication in the subject.


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|| It's not too late for you folks to head here for a rainy weekend at the MisCon. Still plenty of opportunities to confront that Martin fellow. |>


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 3:06 PM
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Actually, I don't have have any distaste for Eddie Money because I don't think I've heard him more than five times in the past 20 years. OTOH, I will never ever ever ever forgive Bob Seger (and to a lesser--but still large--extent, Tom Cruise) for "Old Time Rock 'n Roll".


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 3:09 PM
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Martin's weekend schedule:

Sat 10:00 - 11:50 AM, George R. R. Martin Book Signing, Throne Room (Hotel Lobby of Doom)
Sat 2:00 - 2:50 PM, Creating Realistic Languages, Great Hall (Upstairs)
Sat 3:00 - 3:50 PM, Q and A, Great Hall (Upstairs)
Sat 5:00 - 5:50 PM, What Makes a Monster?, Great Hall (Upstairs)
Sun 10:00 - 10:50 AM, Plotting Over the Course of a Series, Great Hall (Upstairs)
Sun 1:00 - 1:50 PM, Reading, Great Hall (Upstairs)
Sun 3:00 - 3:50 PM, The Many Ways to Tell a Story , Great Hall (Upstairs)
Sun 4:00 - 4:50 PM, From the Villain's POV, Great Hall (Upstairs)
Mon 10:00 - 11:50 AM, Book Signing, Throne Room (Hotel Lobby of Doom)


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 3:09 PM
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I'll confess to having waited in line for hours to get my first-edition copy of Game of Thrones signed by Martin at the Astor Place B&N back in, oh, winter of '05 or so. (It appears that it would actually have some value if I hadn't reread it nearly to pieces--ah, well.) This was when book 4 had already come out, so I was already feeling rather disillusioned, but I still felt I sort of owed it to my younger and more enthusiastic self.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 3:24 PM
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I had to pick up a new remote at the cable TV place today and was amused to see the teller had a well-wron Game of Thrones (map of Westeros) mousepad. Good chance that is was just some kind of HBO promotional thing; I almost made a comment but decided that a 50something guy asking a 30something woman if she was in to Game of Thrones would be pretty creepy.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 3:59 PM
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151, 152: Is there a panel on "How to Turn Your Awesome D&D Campaign Into a 10-Volume Series (Special Q&A with E. Gary Gygax's Spirit)"?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 4:01 PM
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Good lord, I was reading 138's first paragraph straight, and then was completely surprised by the second paragraph. Oops.

Seriously, though, I don't care one way or the other about Eddie Money. My brother was a big enough fan of Billy Squier to have gone to at least one of his concerts. Something to do with him being hott.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 4:05 PM
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I thought Two Tickets was OK the first time-and-a-half times I heard it but the repeated emphasis on "two" fixed that.

Still like some early Bob Seger; too bad "Turn the Page" got played to death I still like the original understated (and not played much) studio version. Also some of his "Ramblin' Gamblin' Man"-era stuff and early garage rock.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 5:07 PM
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I don't think I've ever seen an Eddie Money video before (we didn't have cable during the relevant period). Did he have ... a disability of some kind?


Posted by: Jimmy Pongo | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 9:39 PM
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Going through the thread.

29: Bob Fosse has a lot to answer for.

49: That is something very special indeed. I have a list of questions, but the bottom line is how is this the first time I'm seeing/hearing of this? Crazy nonesense Andrews Sisters style singing plus contortionist dancing?!?!!

149: I'm not going to defend Billboard's version of 2011, though I think both the Adele and Rihanna songs were pretty awesome, but I count one song from that 1975 list that I'd call truely great, rather just good/ok. Alright, I have soft spots for "Black Water", "Shining Star" and "Fame", and there are other songs there that I wouldn't kick out of bed a mix, but still, let's not pretend this was a period of charts defined by greatness.


Posted by: Jimmy Pongo | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 10:01 PM
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Is something wrong with my browser? Test comment.


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 05-26-12 5:16 AM
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So there really has not been a single comment from when I went to bed last night until this morning. Whoa. I thought maybe things just weren't loading.

Chalk it up to memorial day weekend.


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 05-26-12 5:18 AM
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We're waiting for you heebie.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 05-26-12 5:19 AM
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148. No, I am thinking of products aimed at larger datasets, MySQL, Berkeley DB, MS-SQL Server. Oracle is OK, but very expensive and not a good cooperator, also they've purchased MySQL and are destroying it. Even within Oracle, deleting records and joining between very large datasets is much worse than doing your own B-tree and sort in memory.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 05-26-12 7:28 AM
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Sun 10:00 - 10:50 AM, Plotting Over the Course of a Series, Great Hall (Upstairs)

THAT'S IRONIC.

Maybe he'll be in the audience, learning something.


Posted by: EMBITTERED GRR MARTIN FAN | Link to this comment | 05-26-12 7:43 AM
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163: Yeah, I want him to just come out and say, "With a series you have lots of time, lots of space, let your multiplicating narrative freak flag fly!"

Also maybe a bund of desperate Google employees will kidnap him and force him to write faster while keeping him on a healthy diet. "You don't want any more tofu? Fine, clean up this possible Prince Aegon bullshit first! Also this Marwyn the Mage asshole, have him do something or kill him."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-26-12 8:09 AM
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164 gets it exactly right. I know we're not supposed to bother GRRM about what he "owes" us, his fans, but he can't expect us to be happy about it.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-26-12 8:14 AM
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There's a scene in Tibor Fischer's The Thought Gang where an editor kidnaps the feckless lazy philosopher protagonist and chains him up while he writes the book he has been promising but never quite delivering.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 05-26-12 9:15 AM
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Will I ever cease esteeming the phrase "the Flip-Pater"? It is hard to be certain, but I hope not.


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163 -- You should come to Msla and confront rape ask him. Is there no admirable character in his books who would do exactly that?


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05-26-12 9:21 AM
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|| You folks will appreciate this: in the course of my research project, I find that one of my mother's third cousins was an intended victim of this murder attempt. |>


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05-26-12 9:34 AM
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It's always the post docs.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-26-12 9:37 AM
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Since this is the music thread:

Here's a quick way to get arrested in modern Russia: Walk into a cathedral wearing a neon mask and carrying a guitar, stand on the pulpit and scream punk songs with lyrics like "Virgin Mary drive Putin away!" Throw in a few more obscenities, and that's how three members of the punk band Pussy Riot ended up in Russian prison in early March.


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169 Nasty. Ascaris has one of the most disturbing life cycles of any parasite I've ever encountered. When I lived in Morocco an ex-pat friend of mine had to pull an incompletely evacuated dead one out of her toddler's butt. I used to take a vermicide on a fairly regular basis primarily out of fear of that particular parasite.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 05-26-12 9:45 AM
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When I lived in Morocco an ex-pat friend of mine had to pull an incompletely evacuated dead one out of her toddler's butt.

Since it was her first born, the hard part was putting it in the scrapbook.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-26-12 9:56 AM
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It was her fourth IIRC. Basically the larvae hatch in your gut, burrow through your body till they get to your lungs and hang out there for a while till they crawl up your respiratory tract, drop into your esophagus and mature in your intestine where they can grow very large. I don't usually worry about such things but at the time I actually lost sleep worrying about this.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 05-26-12 10:07 AM
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OTOH, If I had my own I would have definitely scrapbooked it.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 05-26-12 10:07 AM
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Fourth kid or worm?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-26-12 10:18 AM
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176 -- When I told my mother-in-law that we were going to have our first child, it went something like this: Mere hahn a Wurmya beshtell.


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Well definitely kid. Possibly worm too but I was too horrified to ask.


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