I often forget that taking NSAIDs is an option. Last night I was complaining about a very painful muscle knot on the top of my shoulder,* and Tweety asked if I had taken ibuprofen. Oh right, guess I could do that. It helped!
*Even Heebie would be able to feel this one.
I disagree; mild nausea is way worse than an equivalently-mild headache.
Then again, if the mouse-oragsm-ometer is properly calibrated, it ought to be impossible to prefer a 30-mouse-orgasm X to a 30-mouse-orgasm Y. That you perceive the headache as worse indicates that it actually generates more mouse-anti-orgasms than the nausea you label as equivalent.
I feel very strongly that Tylenol works on my headaches and fevers, but not on my aches and pains, and ibuprofen works on my aches and pains but not on headaches and fevers.
Mild back pain gets a decent suckitude rating in my book.
Of course, that's compounded by the lurking threat that it could revert to severe back pain if I misjudge how far I can bend/how much I can lift.
Congestion trumps all, and anyone who disgrees needs their orgasmometer checked.
2: perhaps you could calibrate it in terms of the number of painkillers you need to take. I'd much rather have a one-ibuprofen muscle ache than a one-ibuprofen headache.
I often forget that taking NSAIDs is an option. Last night I was complaining about a very painful muscle knot on the top of my shoulder,* and Tweety asked if I had taken ibuprofen. Oh right, guess I could do that. It helped!
I always do this when I experience pain in a place I'm not used to. Toothache, rash, etc. - it's often several hours before it hits me that ibuprofen is not just for headaches.
I'm with #2 - nausea is much worse than most headaches. I'm not sure how I would rate nausea versus reflux/GERD, and I don't think I want to develop enough experience to have a strong opinion on the subject.
9: agreed. Though I think the problem is not that it's bad, but that you have the depressing knowledge that it's probably going to get worse before it gets better; a lot of mild aches and pains, by contrast, go away over time. Feeling mildly seasick would be OK if you didn't know that it meant you were shortly going to feel very seasick.
it's often several hours before it hits me that ibuprofen is not just for headaches
Exactly! I actually even think of it more narrowly, as being for hangover headaches. When I get the occasional headache not related to alcohol, it can take a weirdly long time for me to identify it and take any action against it.
I don't think that either Tylenol or aspirin or advil work for me, at all. It may be a kind of reverse placebo effect. Is there a word for that?
Surely aspirin is on the Paleo-approved medications list. Maybe you need to try unprocessed willow bark?
I am Blume in 1. I have to be absolutely miserable before it occurs to me that painkillers exist, and I hardly ever am. And on the rare occasions when I do take them I'm never sure whether they're having any effect -- I mean, pain ends spontaneously, how do I know the pills did it?
I used to think OTC painkillers were all just placebos, but NSAIDS really work great for me for many things. Of course, without alcohol I'd have fewer occasions of various types of low-level distress
Thirding 1 and 15. Also, I regularly have two glasses of wine with dinner, so when I do think of painkillers I'm fairly skittish about acetominophen.
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I hate computers. Why on earth would a fig file that can parse LaTeX and show you the pretty math in the fig file, and then you import it to LaTeX and you get the code in your picture?
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"30-mouse-orgasm X"
Is that 30 mouse-orgasms, or a 30-mouse orgasm?
I don't think that either Tylenol or aspirin or advil work for me, at all. It may be a kind of reverse placebo effect. Is there a word for that?
There is a word for a reverse placebo effect - nocebo. But it doesn't mean that.
As for the OP:
Headaches > restless foot/leg* > nausea
* I don't actually know if this is what people mean when they say "restless leg syndrome", but I get this thing, which I call restless leg/foot, where I'm in bed and I get an incredibly annoying and sometimes painful cross between an ache and an itch in my legs and/or feet which makes it impossible to get to sleep. Considering I'm a mild insomnicac at the best of times, this is not fun at all.
When did we switch from rat-orgasms to mouse-orgasms? I blame Jimmy Carter.
19: In theory, thirty mice having one orgasm each is equivalent to one mouse having thirty orgasms. In practice, however, the former is the better party, while the latter is one happy mouse.
17: With the addition of crossfit in my life, I've started drinking wine a bit less and needing painkillers a bit more, and I find acetaminophen works VERY well, but I am skittish also. If the label says 3 drinks then 2 drinks is ok, right? Even if I'm a woman? If I drank last night and now it's the morning are we cool? I dunno.
20: I get this full-body restlessness sometimes, especially after exercise and especially after exercise followed by alcohol. It can keep me awake for a couple hours needing to reposition myself every few minutes. Water and NSAIDs help so maybe it's just dehydration or maybe it's some lactic acid thing??
22: There was that weird rabbit incident.
I don't actually know if this is what people mean when they say "restless leg syndrome", but I get this thing, which I call restless leg/foot, where I'm in bed and I get an incredibly annoying and sometimes painful cross between an ache and an itch in my legs and/or feet which makes it impossible to get to sleep. Considering I'm a mild insomnicac at the best of times, this is not fun at all.
This perfectly describes what I get, and I call it "restless leg syndrome" too. This is part of the reason that I exercise like a fiend and bounce my legs constantly when I'm awake.
22: Mice in your heart is worse than gerbils in your colon.
I've been having a lot of mild nausea lately (thanks to post-nasal drip (ew, gross)), and it's definitely worse for me than having a mild headache. But I've pretty much had a mild headache all my life (thanks, bad eyesight!) so that might be why.
I too get 'restless leg syndrome' and when it is bad, it is actively worse than either. But generally I have a pretty mild version. (My husband mocks me for this. It does feel weird recognizing yourself in an advertisement for a new drug you're 95% sure is a scam.)
Oh, and now that my job requires a fair bit of physical labor (standing for 8 hours a day, up and down stairs constantly, and lifting fairly heavy things a few times a day) I do get a number of little aches and pains, which NSAIDs are fantastic for. Mm, drugs.
18: Can you post the relevant snippet of LaTeX code you used?
Or try asking for help at the TeX stackexchange.
21: When did we switch from rat-orgasms to mouse-orgasms?
I was looking this up recently and as far as I could tell the original was mice orgasms (popularized here before my time, John Emerson in 2006).
Since I was a child I have gotten mild headaches when the weather has been changing moods.
Maybe you have unconsciously controlled the mood of the weather since you were a child.
When did we switch from rat-orgasms to mouse-orgasms? I blame Jimmy Carter.
Yes, ratfucking was more of a Nixon thing. Of course, in my day it was simply called the double-cross.
30: You mean the importing-figure code? Or the code which is inside the fig file?
33: I surmise that that's due to an air pressure change thingie, for I too experience it, and that is the conclusion I have drawn.
I, too, am a human barometer, but in my case it's generally been a migraine trigger rather than just the start of a mild headache. I guess if I'm able to stop the migraine from taking hold, that counts as a mild headache.
37: Exactly so. Doing a long drive passing through a series of storm fronts can be a trial of sinus pain. They can also, as stated, trigger migraines according to my daughter.
29: NSAIDs are wonderful. Except when they cause one to bleed out to the point of angina, arrythmias, and the rest of the symptoms of severe anemia. That was and still is less than amusing. Be careful, there doesn't have to be any sort of severe discomfort before you're in bad trouble.
Is it too soon for a threadjack?
Passing bleg: This morning I filled up my car with gas [sorry, non-car owners]. While the pump was ticking away, I walked around washing the windows with the squeegee thing -- actually I was washing the hood, but never mind that -- and when I was done, strolled back around to the pump to find that it had already automatically stopped at exactly $35.00.
Hm, that's surprising, I thought: not only that it would stop coincidentally at exactly $35.00, but that I didn't need more gas than that. The tank was nearly on empty, and I realize that gas prices have come down, but I didn't think they'd come down that much.
Oh well. Upon restarting the car, I pause to view the gas-o-meter swing pleasingly back up to Full (this is pleasing because hey, if I'm shelling out this cash, I want results), and yo, it swings up to ... 3/4 tank.
Hm. So: Was the gas station rationing its portions to $35.00 per transaction? Is the gas level ball, or whatever it is in the gas tank that registers the gas level, screwed up in some way? Was it just splash-back from the tank toward the pump, making the pump think the tank was full ... at, mysteriously, $35.00?
40: Thanks for the caution. I'm generally not taking more than 400-800 mg a day, and not every day (2-3 times a week).
And eek, that sounds absolutely terrifying.
41: Sounds like the station had the pump set to only dispense $35 worth for some reason. This is what they do when someone pays in advance inside, which is much less common than it used to be now that everyone pays at the pump. Weird.
41: How were you paying? When the customer is required to prepay with cash, for example, the dispenser shuts off when it reaches exactly the amount prepaid. I wouldn't be surprised if, say, $35 was a programmed limit for how much gas can be dispensed without payment.
But if you had fed the dispenser a credit card before starting, that doesn't make as much sense.
Right, I was paying at the pump with a credit card.
I'm not highly worried -- it's mostly just a puzzle -- but there's one complicating factor: when I drove home on Saturday, I had approximately 1/8 tank left, which was fine for the 11-mile drive. When I arrived home, the car showed the "Low Fuel" light, which is also normal at much below 1/8 tank.
However, when I started the car this morning, I was flatly on Empty and remained so, to my surprise, for a few miles (usually it pops back up a bit once I'm on level ground -- I park at home on a bit of a hill). This is why I wonder whether the fuel-level ball in the tank is off.
Still, though, an even $35.00 is too much of a coincidence, and I'll probably write it off to the gas station having pre-set it.
Sometimes places have shut-offs after predetermined amounts to deter theft -- but usually I've seen that kick in after $100. $35.00 is awfully low given the cost of fuel, but if there's been a problem with credit card fraud in the area recently, I suppose they could set it lower.
46: Actually, the credit card swipe machine at the pump paused for an unusually long time before it approved me to go ahead. Well, if it happens again, I'll ask the proprietress, who's a lovely woman.
Maybe your proprietresception is on the fritz.
If your encounter with the proprietess causes you to experience propriapism, seek medical attention immediately.
36: I was thinking the former, but I'm not sure. The TeX stackexchange people have always produced quick answers for me. But feel free to email me if you're stuck.
OT: The flight attendant says the plane will get too hot if we open the shades, but I'm assuming there is a dead ox on the tarmac.
I've had a terrible lower back ache for several days, as a result of carrying too many too heavy boxes last week. I could barely move all weekend. Except when I sat in a hot tub yesterday (and immediately thereafter) and now, sitting at my desk avoiding work. Thanks Unfogged!
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Just had another job interview. It seemed to go pretty well.
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53 - Or a man with a hook banging your boyfriend's head on the wing.
It may be a kind of reverse placebo effect. Is there a word for that?
We go with "obecalp." Of course, we mostly use that for when, e.g., you start to feel nauseated and so forth b/c someone won't shut up about "how is your stomach feeling today?"
59: Dammit, Tweety I spent 5 or 6 seconds coming up with that same comment.
OT: Man, I'm trying not to be freaked out about the state of affairs in the Eurozone, along with the fact that it's due to be 99 degrees (F) here on Wednesday. Everything's doomed, and it's going to suck badly.
I've done what little I can do, which involves preparing for the 99 degrees. Maybe I should have a gin and tonic, which my housemate keeps talking up.
It's never a good idea to watch BBC World News.
Have you considered installing an AC manufactured in Greece?
Do the Greeks even make air conditioners?
Heh. My work partner dreams of Greece, having spent some time there as a teen. He pores longingly over photo-laden books we happen to get in, and I say, calmly but firmly: that's beautiful, my friend, but it is too hot. Yes, but, yes, but! Look! How beautiful! Don't you ...?
At some point he offered, somewhat lamely, that it was probably really cheap there right now, and it would help their economy to go there!
Sheesh.
They trick you with the pictures and films, but all those places near the ocean are horribly windy.
Come to Texas, but not Houston.
Russian moving a brigade of marines to Syria. America and Britain have their usual invisible spotters, spooks in syria, communicating with our satellites of love. This is the kind of situation that sparks...well just don't think about the all the nukes that are still pointed at you.
Everything will be fine. History ended in 1989.
Why do you hate economic development?
I say, calmly but firmly: that's beautiful, my friend, but it is too hot.
Hot, yes, but not as hot as where you are. So.
61; it is and has been non stop doom and gloom where I am.
I thought you were next door; how the heck can it be going to be 99F there and 16C here?
Ok, I must be wrong about what country you're in.
Emir, am I confusing you with someone else? I thought you were in Ireland. I'm in the mid-Atlantic of the US. I guess there's going to be some kind of weather front coming in -- it's currently a marvelous 60-ish F here, and has been in the evenings for nearly a week now..
Paul Krugman was all over the television news this evening -- the news that I watch (BBC World News and PBS NewsHour, and don't worry, I only do this a couple of times a week). He kept saying that it was very simple: just cut it out with the austerity, the ECB should print some euros, Germany should consider itself the economic engine of the Eurozone -- and Merkel and the ECB should shut up, again, about austerity -- and now is the time for investment when interest rates are so low, and stop being so frightened about the possibility of inflation.
He makes it sound so simple. As an utter non-economist, I don't know why so many people don't think he's right.
Niamh at CT has a detailed discussion of why it's not actually as simple in practice as Krugman makes it sound.
78: I know. I saw that and am working my way through it. I was given pause because Krugman seemed to be pointing out that aside from all of that, it's really all in the hands of Merkel and the ECB: if they'd stop insisting on austerity, there'd be some breathing room for the rest.
How about a light but nagging sense of dread? I'll go with that one today!
Tomorrow -- well, tomorrow is another day.
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He makes it sound so simple. As an utter non-economist, I don't know why so many people don't think he's right.
I believe Krugman is also on record as saying the Euro was a really stupid idea. So at some point you have to wonder whether you are just throwing good money after bad.
Well, sure. Because obviously if it would have been preferable for the Euro not to have been created, it logically follows that the best outcome from a state in which the Euro actually exists is for it to crash and burn.
Stupid for whom? Always, always ask cui bono.
IOZ on the Euromess.
Monet and company knew that deepening economic ties would force a series of crises which would compel European nations to either flee the union or else embrace political integration. That has been the entire history from Brussels to Rome to Maastricht to Lisbon, and now on to the next one. So the next time you read some scare piece about the uncontrollable whatnot in Europe, just remember: it's all part of the plan. The crises, the depression, the seemingly uncoordinated and insufficient responses, the misery of the Greeks and Spanish and Portuguese and Irish and soon the Italians . . . these are not the unintended consequences of bad policies or stupid and greedy leaders. They are the intended consequences. This is why the liberal and social democratic dreams are so futile and destructive: ever searching for the right kind of people to put in charge, they never quite appreciate what is required of a man . . . or a Merkel . . . to be in charge.
Your quote doesn't quite say who gets bono-ed from the crises.
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Just watched a show in which the 14th Kakiemon Sakadai teaches his son Hiroshi, soon to be the 15th KS how to design Imari porcelain. He will not only be not allowed individual creativity, but will even lose his name.
I see a lot of this in Japan, even brake pads and soba noodles. 90 percent firms less than 30 employees.
The other day I told Eric Loomis that the union model, the american model, if it makes any sense, is one in which a factory worker does well enough for his son to become an accountant so his granddaughter becomes a lawyer. There was a time when a factory worker would want his son to take his place, but really that was only when the factory worker left a rural background.
The upward mobility through generations model is obviously not sustainable, the third or fifth generation will have class interests opposing workers and unions, Unions have built in obsolescence.
Yet the advancing technology, fixed capital, competitions between capitals will increase the surplus, and either growing inequality or worker mobility that is self-defeating.
Just still thinking. How many of us do the same job as our grandfathers? Is this so great?
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Well, sure. Because obviously if it would have been preferable for the Euro not to have been created, it logically follows that the best outcome from a state in which the Euro actually exists is for it to crash and burn.
Some marriages are better ended.
But what about the children?!
No, Krugman is right. There's a perfectly easy fix. It's not awesome, but it would work. The ECB should raise its inflation target to 5%. There are many other policies that would work, but that one is definitely simple.
Wow. This thread started off being completely rage-inducing. But then 3 or 4 thread-jacks later finally settled into the mix of politics and CrossPaleoFit that serves as an effective humorous distraction from high-level chronic pain.
Thank you, Mineshaft, for coming through in the clutch.
Was there a CrossFit threadjack? I must have missed it.
Always, always ask cui bono
Dad? Is that you dad?