Carharrts, Duluth Trading. Not so much with the fashion, but rich in pockets.
Men's pants haven't been at the waist in decades.
I guess I'm not entirely clear about where the waist actually is. Where do men's pants sit, if not there? The hips?
Sitting at the waist means you look like Frank Sinatra.
I would like for my pants to sit at the waist, and I even have a few that do, but then all my ties are too long.
The sewing advice for finding your true waist is generally to tie elastic around your middle with a bit of tension on it and then bend and gyrate for a moment. The elastic will settle at your waist. Easier, bend over sideways and assume it's at the crease.
Easier, bend over and assume it's at the crease.
That is not your waist.
Pants at the waist couldn't feel more wrong. I don't know how you women stand it.
1. Women's jeans to be cut more loosely through the thigh*...
*Partially for body-specific reasons, but opposite of what you'd think.
Okay, I give up. What does this mean? You thighs are too small? I don't get it.
When I was a kid, my mom would always try to buy me pants that rode at the waist and was flummoxed that said pants didn't exist. At least not I Sears pants for Husky boys.
I'm totally ready for some Jimmy-Stewart-ass high-waisted pants to come back in style. also for fat people with suspenders under double breasted suits to be badass for all races
I'm ready for men's pleated pants to come back. Really.
Strictly, the waist circumference is measured at a level midway between the lowest rib and the iliac crest.[1] The waist-hip ratio equals the waist circumference divided by the hip circumference. Practically, however, the waist is usually measured at the smallest circumference of the natural waist, usually just above the belly button.[2] In case the waist is convex rather than concave, such as is the case in pregnancy and obesity, the waist may be measured at a vertical level 1 inch above the navel.[3]
Above the belly button? Madness!
I'm hoping one benefit from global warming is that shorts on grown men will become fashionable.
Isn't part of the reason men's pants don't usually sit at the waist because of the way men put on belly fat--if they did sit there, they'd have to be cut to expand outward, and then tighten back in? Whereas, when they're cut at the hips, below the paunch, they can fall basically straight. (And then the paunch just sort of flops over the top of the pants.)
Hold out for the tailored sarong.
I resisted the low-rise trend for a long time. And then I tried a pair on and discovered what life is like without a waistband digging into your spleen.
I'm ready for 14 + 18 to become the norm, and for people to wear shorts with suspenders. Suit jackets optional.
I've never known what the waist OR the hips are. My mother kept trying to explain to me that the male waist is in one place, but the female waist is in a different place, but not everyone seems to agree with her.
Above the belly button? Madness!
That would look ridiculous on about 89% of men. I guess heebie is envisioning a world in which the supposed fashions of the day are as uncomfortable on non-model-looking men as they are on non-model-looking women.
That would look ridiculous on about 89% of men.
25: Meh. I wore pants that high when I was in high school. I was so skinny that my bones protruded and so I had to wear the pants unusually high or unusually low (well, I guess not that unusual in that environment). I went with high. Random people would stop me in the hallways and tell me to bring them down a notch.
The issue was resolved when the weight came on.
7: When I tried to think of a famous man whose pants noticeably sit at his waist, literally the only one who came to mind was Minnesota Fats.
Okay, I give up. What does this mean? You thighs are too small? I don't get it.
I do have proportionally small thighs, and somehow jeans that are tight in the thighs make me look extra apple-shaped.
Not everyone's belly button is in the same place on their abdomen.
Plus, Adam didn't have a belly button.
What about a sarong needs tailoring? And that does sound nice right now. I've never thought of myself as a trendsetter, but.
An opinion on men's natural waist (smallest circumference; don't know how he'd deal with Humpty Dumpty), and a claim that the trouser button should fall one inch below that, as ` the "navel" and focus of any great suit'. Yeah, that's what I'm focusing on. Gemmunz.
Technological determinism of trouser waists (sort of).
Isn't there a discussion of Albanian waistlines in Black Lamb and Grey Falcon?
Men's pants sitting below their waists is what allows shiv to insist that he's the same waist size as he was ten years ago when now there is a gut.
I agree with 1, but for the reasons you'd think. Or more properly, I would like women's jeans to have more room in the rear without gapping at the back or sagging in the front due to extra material.
I don't remember how high my pants were when I was in middle school, but people made fun of them. People make fun of so much stuff in middle school that it didn't really bother me. And then I found five more inches on my waistband.
I cannot wait for boot-cut jeans to come back in fashion. Fuck skinny jeans! Apropos of the thread about how much you've spent on jeans, I wound up spending $200 on a pair of jeans because I had to buy them at Nordstrom since the places with reasonable prices only carried skinny jeans. I'm in the middle of losing weight so all my jeans were either 10 pounds to loose or 10 pounds too tight.
Men who wear pants above the bellybutton look fucking absurd. Like Urkel. I'll wear frilly pink dresses before I wear pants above my bellybutton.
I'll wear frilly pink dresses before I wear pants above my bellybutton.
Heteronormativist.
Also, I literally couldn't wait for pleated pants to come back: I never stopped buying them. Though I think my pants may be about even between the pleated and non-pleated right now.
43: Truth be told I look fucking devastating in a frilly pink dress. No lie.
All my pants that are not jeans were bought in 2006 or before. Low-rise styles don't fit me at all. I'm not thin. I am a shortish woman with big muscular thighs. I can't find any pants I like anymore, at least not in stores (LL Bean, Sears, really anywhere I look.) Even jeans are getting difficult. What happened? My body hasn't really changed. My favorite pants are a pair of Lee's painter's pants with very straight legs, lots of pockets, and a hammer loop. Lee stopped making them. The suggestions in post 1 look promising. I really need some new pants.
and a hammer loop
When you put them on, they say "Don't touch this."
Thank you anonymous straight-line fairy.
Ha! My surviving high-school jeans (<1986) are just above my bellybutton and at or below my natural waist. Perhaps I will wear them on Saturday and the locals can mock. (Not just because of the waistband; they only survived because they're patched and embroidered and, hello, fringed. And I don't know how I was ever innocent enough to do this to the rear, but I remember, and I was.)
What about a sarong needs tailoring? And that does sound nice right now. I've never thought of myself as a trendsetter, but.
Men in skirts are hott.
And I don't know how I was ever innocent enough to do this to the rear, but I remember, and I was.
New hovertext.
Tailored, on a men's sarong (an ie if we're speaking Samoan) means that it's not just a cloth rectangle knotted around the hips, it's a real garment with a waistband and pockets. Still wraparound, but constructed.
Why does heebie think that men's pants should be worn at the waist again?
One assumes an aesthetic reason, possibly related to too much plumbers' butt in her view.
I thought it might have something to do with the view of too much overhanging gut. It's just a question whether that's an improvement.
Skirts for all, is what I say.
http://www.carygrant.net/fotogallery/portraits23/4-p23.jpg
http://old-town.co.uk/products/highrise.htm
http://stylebubble.typepad.com/style_bubble/2008/05/brideshead-revi.html
http://asuitablewardrobe.dynend.com/search?q=high-waisted
"Trousers intended to be worn suspended should be about an inch larger in the waist so they can move freely as you do.
Following that logic myself years ago, I quickly realized that I might as well just get high waisted trousers in the first place. When they are waist-high they have a better line, and better finish the look of a suit, particularly a vested suit. Note how the high waisted gentleman in the illustration does not have a bit of shirt or a belt showing through the open quarters on his jacket. "
56: Skirt waistbands can also be high or low, though.
On convex men:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Churchill_V_sign_HU_55521.jpg
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/musician.php?id=6343
http://mothgirlwings.tumblr.com/post/1287664261/w-c-fields-on-the-golf-course-with-a-little
Skirt waistbands can also be high or low, though.
Don't I know it. That's why they should be drawstring waists.
Or wraparounds. Wrap-arounds. Wrap arounds.
Totes. I have one of those, and I've never worn it, because people would look at me funny? I don't know how to wear it?
I don't spend very much time in places where anyone would understand and not look at me funny. That makes me sad. On the other hand, I can wear pretty much whatever I want at work.* Hm.
* I mean, not a bikini.
Wouldn't a lavalava and a plain T-shirt look normal enough in summer?
60: "Wraps around". It's like attorneys general.
At home and around the neighborhood, I wear in hot weather a t-shirt and something like a lavalava. No weirder looks than I usually get.
63: Maybe, but I'm not about to normalize my lavalava with a plain tee-shirt. I don't even wear plain tee-shirts, not for years now. Geez.
Stanley. Stanley. It's not like attorneys general.
It's more like Mass General. How would you make that plural?
I think a lavalava is more simple and straightforward than I realized. Sorry.
58.last: Pants worn any lower would be pooled around his ankles. The baby-dangling is certainly consistent with "anyone who hates kids and dogs".
This man is wearing his pants up in his ribcage. I am by convention not allowed to masturbate to dead people, but...
{clears throat} The pluralization of the skirt which wraps around is a matter of whether the single skirt is a "wraparound" or a "wrap-around" or a "wrap around", isn't it?
The plural is only going to be "wraps around" if we think the singular is "wrap around". Not otherwise.
(/end throat-clearing, end fussing)
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I just bought fried avocado in a cone from a food truck and then ate it while walking down a nightime street crowded with the young, good-looking, and unusually dressed. I feel this makes me hip. Don't burst my bubble.
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70: I think they're at his equator, probably for comic effect, which... might be the level of the navel? Also, consider 19, pants do stay up when belted in the paunch-fold.
parsi, I have failed to imagine the alternative to plain T-shirts. T-shirts with printing on? Earnest? Humorous? Marking noble events of the past? I know you wear long, gauzy skirts (eyebrow eyebrow); what *with*?
73: Depends on the cone. Sugar or plain?
It actually was more like a pita wrapped in a cone shape and supported by a cardboard cone.
God, I could eat the hell out of a fried avocado right now. Or anytime. I am not hip.
What do you mean "unusually dressed"? You're coolness status may hinge on this.
For instance, if you're talking RenFaire...
71: I think that is a belt or girdle. I believe it is a kind of support, I see them in prewar Japanese movies.
For men a girdle was often used to hold weapons. It also gave them freedom to move in a fight, unlike other types of clothing. both of these are thought to carry the connection of power to the man's girdle in literature. For example, Odysseus wears a girdle which allows him to swim for three days straight, and a girdle worn by Thor doubles his strength.[1]
But I'm not really sure.
OP, I wear shorts of varying length, and wear them pretty high when in public, maybe up to the navel. Covered with as large a size t-shirt as I can get, even when I am not large. Like a Bedouin if I can.
Of course you're hip, Rob. Are you on your way to see either Kool Keith or Dean Wareham playing Galaxie 500?
Eyebrow?
What do I wear with long gauzy skirts? Usually a camisole with a loose overthing of some kind, either an unconstructed jacket or just an unbuttoned blouse/shirt. That's for modesty's sake. The camisole is often kind of form-fitting since .. well, never mind. Anyway, when I'm in quite slim phases I might wear a tee-shirt, but it's not going to be the typical crew-neck straight-down-the-hips kind, because I just don't like those. Crew-neck things choke me, around the neck! I'm always yanking at them, like, yuk, this thing is annoying. I like scoop-neck or v-neck things.
Too much information?
Well, adequate information that in my mind's eye you look fine with that and a lavalava.
I have had coffee and avocado ice-cream. It was good.
78: Long, gauzy skirts with a camisole and an overthing.
83: Ditto on t-shirt necklines. Glad to know there's someone else out there as picky about these things as I.
I have some pants that sit at, or very near to, my waist, and I think they're fine.
Of course, I'm an exceptionally handsome man; I can understand that not everything that works on me would work on another.
The thing about the high-waisted pants is that they require the twelve-inch fly.
When I went to REI to get pants to go backpacking in (since the last time I went backpacking I irrecoverably destroyed the really useful linen pants I had been using) I noticed that they all advertised their roominess in the crotchal area. LBJ should have lived to see this day!
Did you light the pants on fire or something?
One other benefit of high-rise pants for men: if you're rocking a miniature gut on an otherwise slim frame (which, hi), the high-rise pants act as a girdle, with the attendant slimming effects.
Stanley has a one inch high band of abdominal fat, I guess.
I should but a suit but it really doesn't fit my current life. Medical science is very blandly dressed, especially the data-ridden portions.
Maybe I'll just start wearing clean shirts to work.
A high waist, pleated pant looks good on a (not too slimly cut) three piece suit, and ridiculous most other places.
83 & 86: Yes! Regular t-shirt collars bother the hell out of me, too. Glad to hear I'm not alone in this.
I'm wearing a lavalava right now: I use them mostly as summer bathrobes. I think a pretty one would look just fine worn as a skirt with a camisole, though.
I'm wearing the jeans I ended up buying yesterday, which are (apparently) boycut. They are slouchy and I like them. And a v-neck shirt of heather gray.
Next to me, Hawaiian Punch is porky piggin' it and watching Elmo while flopped over the arm of the couch, ass up. Shameless little buggers.
98: I would no more wear high-waisted or pleeated pants without a jacket, than I would wear a waistcoat with a t-shirt and jeans.
To clarify, I enjoy the way men look wearing any number of styles of pants. I just think waist-level pants shouldn't be so conspicuously absent, because they can look great.
I'm not comfortable wearing pants above the hips. I have suit pants that ride just below the waist and I hate them. So uncomfortable.
I had to urban dictionary 'porky piggin it' (lol, btw). Is that new?
39: Well, that and waist inflation*. My actual waist is 29", and that's what fits me in unfashionable brands that are sized the way they were two decades ago (e.g., Wrangler), but 28" in any mainstream brand is way too big for me. 26" fits, but the only places that carry pants with a 26" waist are stores that have ridiculously expensive high-end denim.
* Since you get more waist for the same nominal value, maybe it's waist deflation?
107: "Aspirational sizing" is the term of art.
Surely high-waisted pants have been in style at least 3 times since 1992. Anything else would suggest stylistic stasis, which is unpossible.
107: At some point Levi's changed their measurements on 501s, and so now I don't know what size fits me.
108: An art which has found its fullest flower in the pants of millions of men.
Aspirational sizing is bad enough when it's arbitrary sizes, but really maddening when they're lying about the literal measurements involved.
It's funny in men's sizes, because it looks like it's meant to be a measurement, but it's just as ridiculously vanity sized as a women's 4 or 6.
LB gets it exactly right in 111. SO ANNOYING.
112: But studies show that the men's 7 or 8 are in fact the most ridiculously vanity sized of all.
In case 110 wasn't explicit enough.
105, 106; I was just thinking yesterday morning that I had learned that very phrase from Unfogged as I wandered around my apartment in a tshirt which barely covered my crotch. (Then I put a sarong around my bottom half.)
I have acquired a sort of half-belt, or possibly a horizontal suspender; a short adjustable elastic strap, with a suspender clip on each end. It makes trousers with too much waist-space in the back more wearable. One runs it through the back belt loops, and clips it to the side belt loops, and voilà smooth in front, no dictionary storage behind.
It has the same problems elastic and half-elastic waists do, i.e., ugly, and if you put too much in your pockets your pants fall down. But it's easier than adding darts or finding main street pants with a deep waist curve.
