I have heard the the University of Washington is doing the same thing.

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They did, until the legislature made them stop.

To state the obvious, one premise of the lower in-state tuition is that the state's residents support the school through their tax dollars. When legislatures pull back on that, and basically tell the "state" schools to fend for themselves, schools have to start fending for themselves.

It is a common concern at perceived Public Ivy/Flagship state schools. The details vary by case, but the schools usually point out how small the total percentage of their budgets now come from state support. A piece by Alan Krueger on it from back in 2003 which discusses Miami of Ohio's attempt to get creative on the issue. I know it has been an issue at UVa and UNC as well.

For instance, a number I had heard (but almost hate to mention in this forum do to other aspects of other newsworthy aspects of the institution) is Penn State getting on the order of 11% of its budget from the state.

How The American University was Killed, in Five Easy Steps

Very much worth reading, even if none of it is news to anyone here.

Depends on what you call the budget, but yep

Here's the same graph for UW, showing that the inflation adjusted cost per student hasn't changed in over 20 years, but the state allocation is being replaced by tuition. Urple has it exactly right in 3.

According to Reuters Michigan is down to 4.5% of its budget coming from the state. Also in single digits (taken from Reuters and NPR) are Ohio State, Penn State, NH, Virginia, and Colorado.

One thing that makes these calculations tricky is that you have to decide whether to count the sports budget or not. Probably the better thing to do is not to count it.

The sports budget is trivial. The big discrepancy is whether to count the grants and contracts and the medical center. The graphs I posted are just the General Fund, i.e. just teaching and administration expenses, but excluding grants and contracts and medical center. At many large state schools, a typical budget will be one third General Fund, one third grants and contracts, and one third Medical center.

At Penn State the athletic budget is $80 million out of a total operating budget of $4.3 billion

NMM to Arnold Horshack.

First Epstein, now Horshack.

I had a Welcome Back, Kotter desk set. The Vinnie Barbarino pencil sharpener still exists. (Vinnie is sort of hugging the pencil sharpener bit and saying "Up your nose with a rubber hose.")

The first thing out of my sister's mouth when my mother announced to the family that there would be another baby: "Can we name him Horshack?"

And that's the story of how I was almost named Horshack.

My sister was telling me that the only reason Colorado supports its university at all was so that it could interfere with the curriculum.

Can someone explain what, "Frankly, California was one of the few states that I wrote off entirely when I was on the market." means? Because the state universities are admitting more out-of-state applicants?

10: Sorry, I was misled by the example of Oregon, where the yearly budget is 200 million and the sports budget is 80 million.

Holy crap. You're not kidding. The athletic department budget is twice the state appropriation at UO.

16 gets it right. What market? The dating market? The graduate school admission market? The job market? If so, what job market?

When I was in high school, which is now over 10 years ago, one of my friends' dearest wish was to get into UCLA, for what I believe was entirely non-weather-related reasons. She gave some sort of statistic like 8% of out-of-state applicants were accepted as opposed to 30% of in-state applicants. And indeed, that was the only school to which she wasn't accepted.

She means the academic job market, I presume.

Still don't understand it. I think that an assistant professorship at UCLA would still be a pretty plum job, budget issues notwithstanding.

I didn't apply anywhere in California, either.

Not if you get laid off six weeks after moving there.

Is there a single faculty member at the UC who has been laid off, to date? I know that there were some threats in that regard but I thought the layoffs to date were for staff, not junior faculty. Probably there are a good number of lecturers who were not re-hired, but isn't that always the case in academia?

I should say, laid off for budgetary reasons. I'm sure there are plenty of nontenured faculty who have been laid off for other reasons.

The list of states that have recently abandoned the concept of public education is a lot longer than just California, though.

A friend of mine is in fact an assistant professor at UCLA. She's pretty happy with it.

There's the issue of retiring faculty not being replaced, but that's happening everywhere.

UC faculty haven't been laid off, no. There was that one year (a couple years back) when (a very small number of) UC faculty took a temporary pay cut (meted out in the form of "furloughs", which had to be taken during summer). That was annoying, but it still meant that UC faculty were better paid and had better jobs, by almost any measure that I can possibly think of, than faculty at other public institutions around the country. On the other hand, morale really is very low right now, so maybe that's why the OP chose to look beyond California while on the market. I was and am just curious about the relationship between the OP's decision and the effort to admit more out-of-state undergraduates to California's universities.

I'm kind of amazed at how much hiring UC is doing in the areas where I'm looking for jobs. I'm much less amazed by how little hiring of me UC is doing.* There must be hundreds of applicants; they're almost all really good jobs (measured in pay + benefits).

*Technically, I could still get a call. No rejections yet, but some long silences.

A friend of mine had an offer (on paper!) from a UC school and then they retracted it before she had a chance to decide. It was right during the worst of the budget/furlough issues.

There must be hundreds of applicants; they're almost all really good jobs (measured in pay + benefits).

Of course, even a (fake) posting of an administrative assistant job, paying $12-13/hr (but with benefits) in NYC, gets over 650 applicants in just 24 hours.

I think that an assistant professorship at UCLA would still be a pretty plum job

Or Berkeley or Santa Barbara or Davis or Irvine or Santa Cruz or San Diego. UC schools continue to be awesome, budget cuts notwithstanding.

A west-coast public school that would have been my number-one most-wanted job if it had been open last year has announced an opening this year. A friend was trying to convince me to apply for it, but I think that would probably be a bad idea at this point. I just hope it goes to someone who will host awesome workshops and invite me to them.

I cannot imagine a situation in which one does not apply for the number-one-most-wanted job. It's not like they're going to have openings every year.

The University of Oregon really has a budget of only $200m? That barely puts them ahead of schools like Arkansas State, and puts them way behind schools like the University of Houston.

I know (of) a couple of professors in the sciences at UCs who are trying pretty vigorously to get out because the prospects for adequate lab funding/future raises seem so dire.

Okay, he was kidding a little. UO's operating budget was about $700 million.

But it sure does help explain why Oregon state schools substantially underperform compared to California and Washington.

But they've got so much football success!

I also don't know that the situation at the UC is dramatically worse than the very bad situation at many other public state universities. Certainly the UC is less far down the road of effectively becoming a private university, with the resulting tuition and proportion of out of state students, than, say, UVA or the University of Michigan.

More broadly, the brunt of the recession has fallen on state and local governments (including their universities) broadly, and the failure to bail out state and local governments is the number one way in which people have been screwed across the board (it is also the way in which paying for federal stimulus would have been most effective.

Meant to check in earlier, but a friend if mine is pregnant with twins, and I've been keeping an eye on her other kids while her doctors decide whether or not a c-section is immediately necessary.

So yeah, I was unclear. What I meant to express was that I've been hearing increasingly worrisome things about the UC and State systems, and the Cali economy as a whe, and so the year I applied for t-t jobs I decided that the state was too big of a gamble. The link to the article is that I'd hate to have to make those kinds of decisions (re: not admitting in-state students).

Writing off an entire state like that probably made no sense at all, and I make no claims regarding the soundness of the logic, but in retrospect I think it was a small attempt to assert agency in the midst of a process that had me thinking I had no control at all over where I would end up, assuming that I landed anywhere to begin with.

'whe' s/b 'whole'

I cannot imagine a situation in which one does not apply for the number-one-most-wanted job.

Trying to leave a t-t job at a great school the first year you have it has a decently high chance of making a lot of people rather pissed at you.

Is essear's current job t-t? Something made me think it wasn't.

Oh, I thought essear took the puppy, like I did.

Speaking of 40.1, anyone else have experience with babies born at 32 or 33 weeks? Or with L&D and the NICU at Ho/pkin/s Ba/yvie/w in MD?

It is the puppy. Problem is that some puppies get killed after six years.

44: "puppy" may not have been consistently-defined enough for effective communication.

46: it's not their fault. It's just that the Puppy Bowl talent scouts have extremely high standards.

Where-did-that-extraneous-hyphen-arrive-from-?

45: It's very early but better than even earlier?

Ohhhh. I thought his puppy had a terminal brain tumor like mine does, with a 99% fatality rate, but everyone goes around all the time shrugging and saying, "Hey, you never know!"

So very confused.

What was the puppy, and why? By Post #2 I had no idea what that metaphor meant.

The puppy was an assistant professorship at a super famous university in Shmoston where it's not common for assistant professors to be given tenure. The whatever the other animal was some job at a very good university where assistant professors ordinarily get tenure. I hope that's not too revealing but it's based on nothing more than what's here and at this point come on.

I see. My choice was between two extremely different things--a short-term position at a place I knew I would love in the middle of nowhere, or a TT position at a depressingly factory-style place in the city where all my friends are.

51: Sounds like puppies in his position are unlikely to have their adoptions made final.

52: Yeah, they're each already 5 lbs, and given how hot and cold the doctors have been ('Your blood pressure is fine!' 'No, it's disastrous!') I have no idea whether they'll be born tomorrow (32 wks) or some time in the near future, or October. They're transverse, though, so it looks like I'll be attending my first c-section regardless.

Well, I hope we've all learned something about the usefulness of metaphors.

56: 34 weeks is a big milestone for lungs, I think, if they can stay inside until then.

Although 5 lbs for twins at 32 weeks seems gigantic.

Do note: Doctors are notoriously wrong at predicting baby size. It's a c-section cliche where the mom is told that the baby will break her pelvis because his head is so big or shoulders so broad, and so she has a c-section and the baby turns out to be 6 lbs.

Yeah, it seems odd that the twins would be so large already, but I hope they get some extra time to bake either way. Having babies in a NICU sounds stressful to begin with--it can only be more so given that the other kids are only 3.5 and 1.5. They just moved to this area from Teo's town, and don't have much a support system yet.

Having babies in a NICU sounds stressful to begin with--it can only be more so given that the other kids are only 3.5 and 1.5.

In a weird way, I bet the presence of the older kids is helpful. The parents have a healthy sense that kids are resilient, and they've got plenty to keep their hands busy so that they can distract themselves from the stress.

Not that their situation doesn't sound ungodly intense.

I was born at 31 weeks and look how sexy I am today. Good luck.

57: trying to communicate with metaphors is like having a baby in the NICU?

My birthday is February 3rd, so they won't be like me.

I know (of) a couple of professors in the sciences at UCs who are trying pretty vigorously to get out because the prospects for adequate lab funding/future raises seem so dire.

The first part of this makes good sense. I think faculty in the sciences, especially on our campus, are very nervous that a new budget model will hurt them. The second part, though, about raises, is complete nonsense. Raises are baked into the cake in the UC. Whether we'll ever get another cost of living increase, however, is anyone's guess. Regardless, I know lots of people who are looking to get out. And for a whole host of reasons particular to me -- I'm not sure, despite running our graduate program and feeling totally committed to my own students especially, that I want to be somewhere with a PhD program in the future -- I might be one them. That said, when I and several of my colleagues have had outside offers in recent years, we've all stayed. As in, every single one of us. One of my good friends calls this the "crushing logic of Davis (and the UC more broadly)". We live in a beautiful place, have very smart, very motivated students, enjoy a light teaching load and, compared to almost any other public institution in the United States (or abroad), have lots of support for research. When it comes time to look at other options, this place, notwithstanding the horrid morale, seems like a better bet than most.

The second part, though, about raises, is complete nonsense

Which makes sense, since I kinda made that part up.

That was long and boring. Sorry. I'll go back to shutting up now.

Heh. Our comments crossed, Jetpack.

Maybe J. Robot didn't want to work in Cali because everyone there is so defensive.

I heard they were so short of water that people turned to drip irrigation.

59.2: It is a cliche for them to be wrong, but my son, who was delivered caesarean based on the weight and circumference estimates from the final ultrasound, turned out to be, as projected, over 9-1/2 lbs. and would very likely not have come out the front door safely.

I guess analogies are banned for a reason, even when not being used to make arguments? I had thought I was mostly understood at the time. Blume and Halford explained correctly. It's t-t, just t-not-very-likely-at-all.

Remember, I thought we were talking about a woman you were dating for most of that conversation.

72: Yikes. And sure, they want to err on the side of safety. But I'm having a hard time believing in two 5 lb 32 week twins.

But what do I know.

73: The analogy is the Jew of liberal blogging.

Anyway, does anybody remember enough identifying details to locate a video I posted at some point since 2008? It was this super lively transgender guy rapping, and the chorus had a lot of spelling in it, and I can totally see it and hear his voice and intonation and the melody, but I just can't recall any specific words. There was a lot of green in the video - like they were in a racquetball court with fake grass on the floor, and dressed in preppy country club garb. "I'm a [S.O.M.E.T.H.I.N.G.] but I ain't got no P.E.N.I.S" or something like that.

I just went through Spring 2009 and it definitely wasn't that season.

They were super wrong about O's weight (he was about 2 lbs less), which makes me glad I resisted their efforts to get me to induce starting at 37wks., since he was only 6 lbs at birth. (I have white coat syndrome all the time, but it got nutty towards the end of my pregnancy and they kept admitting me to the hospital for high blood pressure. I would tell them to leave me be for 15 minutes and just sort of will my bp down.)

They just moved to this area from Teo's town, and don't have much a support system yet.

My current town? Huh.

Didn't the Super Famous University of Shmoston get yelled at by someone (a president? an accrediting body? someone else?) for its puppy-killing propensities?

SFUS has definitely tried to address the issue, but the sense I get is that reforms have only taken hold in some departments.

59: I had the reverse - Sally was supposed to be six pounds, but was over eight when delivered. The OB was cranky about it -- said that he'd have never let me deliver breech if he'd known how big she was.

Then they predicted Newt at the same weight, and he turned out even bigger. I don't think weight predictions are reliable at all.

I remember the word pansexual was in it, but I guess no one used that word written down in the thread. Anyone remember what I'm thinking of? It's driving me crazy.

78: I liked that one, but don't remember anything else about it. Did you watch the Cheetos song I linked in the music thread? It's awfully catchy.

Somthing like "I'm a f.a.g.g.o.t but I've got a v.a.g.i.n.a" but I can't get the meter to match up with the melody. It was super fun.

86: no, but I'll check it out now!

This unfortunate video comes up when you search "trans rapper." Not sure these guys know what "cis-trans" means outside chemistry class.

ATHENS BOYS CHOIR.

Fagette

Oh thank god. What a relief. And what a great song. Thanks!

But for real though? I got a dildo. I got two dildos. I got three dildos.

37 weeks tomorrow! Wheeee!
What's this a metaphor for: Last night our sewer line got blocked and all kinds of shit was bubbling up through the ground in the basement. To give the plumber access to the pipe I had to unload shelves with a bunch of hand me down clothes. After moving some bags, I heard squeaking coming from one of them and dumped it out to find many of the clothes chewed up and 7 baby rats about 3-4 days old, no mama in the bag though. I threw the pups out with the garbage (which conveniently is collected Tuesday mornings,) I wasn't sure if I should put them out of their misery first or not.

70: yeah, I'm pretty defensive about the UC, and about public higher education more broadly, these days. Sorry about that.

82, 83: Yeah, I don't know the details, but I keep hearing things are better than they used to be. But my department is still not great, and the theory group in particular has standards somewhere up in the stratosphere. What's really irritating is... I shouldn't finish these thoughts. Ask me sometime when I'm drunk.

I'm actually really excited about the class I'll be teaching in the spring, which is basically the best teaching assignment I could have asked for except it wouldn't have occurred to me to ask. Of course, being excited about teaching is probably evidence that I'm not fit to get tenure.

I shouldn't finish these thoughts. Ask me sometime when I'm drunk.

Will do!

being excited about teaching is probably evidence that I'm not fit to get tenure.

Being excited about teaching is part of why I can't get a good TT offer.

95: Aw, I was just teasing. You've got a fine system; it just gets ragged on because the budget woes are so dramatic and it used to be free.

80: they kept admitting me to the hospital for high blood pressure. I would tell them to leave me be for 15 minutes and just sort of will my bp down.

This is going to get confusing without names, so I'll make some up. When my friend Cathleen was pregnant with her first son, she lived (off-post) in Fai/rbank/s, AK and her husband was serving in Iraq. I was tagged to fly out and act as her birth partner, and we had an awesome birth plan: midwives, birthing center, water birth, etc. She has fairly high blood pressure though, and a routine checkup had her admitted to the (military branch) hospital a few weeks early to be induced, and I took the next available flight. Her son was born FOUR FLIPPING DAYS later, but she ended up needing a D&C. At least the midwife part of the plan worked out, even if said midwife was a (branch) Major.

I missed the second birth thanks to the start of my new job, but Cathleen's husband was back in AK. They had moved to Teo's town (technically, just south of there, home of a certain notorious political nitwit), and she had a successful delivery at a standalone birthing center.

Anyhow, husband was recently transferred to a weapons testing facility an hour south of my new town, so they're dealing with this whole mess now in an unfamiliar environment and a house that still hasn't been unpacked.

technically, just south of there, home of a certain notorious political nitwit

North, actually.

[Please forgive the long and boring story (and the run-on sentences). None of us were expecting the twins to be born before the end of September at the earliest, and we're all a bit frazzled. I think the kids have come down with colds as well, and the dogs have reacted to the cross-country move with constant barking and peeing all over the floor. I don't know how the hell parents do this--I'm just the backup team, and I'm beat.]

(There are towns to the south as well, but their political nitwits aren't as notorious.)

102: Whoops, right. I'm a little punchy right now.

Von Wafer: Honestly, a school as prestigious as those in the UC system was never going to hire me anyway. Regarding other schools in the state, my avoidance was due to some combination of concern about the direction in which the state as a whole is headed and the related effects on the universities, and worry that I couldn't afford to live out there anyway. All moot now, anyway.

I knew Jenny R was scared of Mexicans.

Ignoring Halford, I post photos of the adorable (and tiring) kidlets to the flickr group instead.

106: Nope, earthquakes.

105: I think concern about California's impending demise is both entirely warranted and vastly overplayed. I feel the same way about the nation writ large. That said, anything that allows a job candidate to have some sense of agency while on the market is a-ok with me. Regardless, I didn't feel like you were attacking the employer or my home; I just felt a bit confused about what you were saying. And now, if you're excuse me, I have to prepare for a five-hour plane ride over the Pacific, so I'd better snort my Valium.

You non-Californians are a bit confused. California has two state university systems. The flagship schools are are a dozen or such as UCLA, Berkeley, etc -- they're generally named The University of California at XXXX.

A step down are about two dozen schools which make up the California State University system. CSU Northridge, where Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi was once a professor, is an example. CSU schools generally pull in students who don't qualify academically for the UC system -- at least such is the stereotype. They are barred by law from awarding Ph. D.s and officially professors are forbidden from performing research, as they're supposed to be doing nothing but teaching. (In practice, the CSU schools dig up a good chunk of money from non-state sources and profs perform quite a lot of research.)

Anyhow, the ban on in-state graduate students is aimed at CSU schools, not UC schools. So UCLA profs and UCLA applicates are unaffected. So far, anyhow.

107: Great pics. I especially like the one with the muskox.

111: It was adorable! The Sealife Museum (or whatever it's called) in Seward was also a good time.

I did a small amount of searching for Alaska jobs today and the interesting ones seemed to be open to Alaska residents only.

Yeah, both the SeaLife Center and the Wildlife Conservation Center were highlights of my mom and sister's recent visit. The latter wasn't even on our original itinerary; we just stopped there more or less on a whim on our way back from Homer because we were ready for a break. It turned out to be very much worth it.

113: Yeah, most state jobs are for state residents only, which was very annoying during my own recent job search since I haven't yet been here long enough to count as a resident in that sense. Not generally the case for private-sector jobs or those at other levels of government, but I guess there may not be many of those in your field.

may not be many of those in your field

Pretty much, no, except for some corporate or law jobs.

Well, keep an eye on the listings. White-collar professional jobs are hard to fill up here, and even the state sometimes advertises for them without requiring residency, which it basically never does for most other kinds of jobs.

Annoyingly, certain federal agencies won't accept my Canadian degrees, even thought they're accredited by the relevant accrediting body (which covers the US and Canada). Apparently, OPM has its own list and it would apparently cost me at least a couple hundred dollars to get my credential credentialized. That applies to more than Alaska, but it was an Alaska office that confirmed it.

That is indeed annoying. The level of pointless bureaucracy with the feds is really astonishing, and getting away from it is one of the things I'm looking forward to about leaving my current job and starting the new one.

Whatever, Canadian huckster. Pay your fee, and the only animal allowed on your payment is a motherfucking bald eagle. No beavers, loons, caribou, or any of that other shady Canadian wild kingdom on a dollar bullshit.

That reminds me, I just did my exit counseling on my loans, which will come due soon. The most positive thing I can say about that is that they're discharageable if I die.

Eh, we have all those in the US too. Not on the money, admittedly.

Recently, I was scrounging around in my wallet trying to find enough change to buy a coke and I found myself missing coinage that's worth something.

123. From long experience of coins that are worth something, silver dollars are definitely the way to go. Of course by now you'd need silver $5s as well, and they might be harder to find.

100: You've got a fine system; it just gets ragged on because the budget woes are so dramatic and it used to be free.

Free tuition was just another name for something left to lose.