Bummer--will be out of town. Have fun!
May I be the first to suggest Rosamunde, in the Mission?
Unfortunately my parents will be in town that weekend and I will probably be busy with them.
I'm in! I may be insane with moving-related concerns, but a drink would probably do me good in that case.
moving-related concerns
Unrelated to your mom showing up at your door, one hopes.
x.trapnel, I'm up for wherever, provided I can get there.
I'd like to counterpropose the Sycamore, also in the mission.
As a synthesis, I'd like to propose breaking into Tu Lan.
Unrelated to your mom showing up at your door, one hopes.
A drink would presumably help with that too, though.
6: Given that you'll be staying in Union Square (IIRC), basically anywhere in SF is easily accessible.
7: What time are we thinking? I love the Sycamore (mmm, pork belly beignets), but on a Saturday night it'll be absurdly crowded. Mission Bar's always a good fallback.
Won't Rosamunde also be absurdly crowded on a Saturday night?
You know what bar wasn't absurdly crowded on a Saturday night when I lived in SF eleven years ago? Li Po! Check it out!
I bet nothing has changed at all!
I bet nothing has changed at all!
Sorry, the city's now nothing but wall-to-wall Quakers and drive-by shootings.
12: Mission Bar it is!
13: Nope. Now it's absurdly crowded.
16.2: yeah I did a bit of googling and as soon as I saw "Anthony Bourdain" and "$9 Mai Tai" realized what the sad truth must be.
You guys could go get drinks at the Metreon! That place is pretty happening!
(I was actually astounded the other day when I realized, thanks to [ SOOBC ], that Noc Noc is still open. Hooray, Noc Noc!)
I don't have any advice on bars, except I love that place on Geary full of Asian gangsters where they give you free shrimp chips, but maybe you all could help me with an OT plea:
I'm making dessert for a Seder next week. I'm thinking maybe flourless chocolate cake? Except, no butter, and no whipped cream. Googling a bit tells me that one could whip up the cold separated fat from coconut milk, but it's not clear to me that that would actually taste good and not be greasy and weird. Have any of you ever done this? Also, is there a good baking margarine I can use instead of butter? Or should I use Crisco? (Hilariously, for fully ten minutes I was like, oh no problem, I'll just use lard. Ha ha, I am a dummy.)
Earth Balance is the best vegan butter substitute. (Widely available!)
Widely available!
But not Kosher for Passover.
Soy, which is somewhat ambiguous but usually considered verboten, plus there appears to be something or other derived from corn.
Most Passover baking relies heavily on eggs, btw. Not sure how compatible that would be with a chocolate cake recipe, though.
Mmm, chocolate, schmaltz and eggs.
29: Just dump 'em all in a stand mixer and Bob's your uncle!
Kosher for Passover sounds right the fuck on.
31: It's pretty paleo in many respects. No bacon, though,
24: Apparently fine for sephardim(, you racist.) Although, weirdly, it shows up in a lot of "Kosher for Passover" dessert recipes on sites that should know better. (I actually found someone arguing with a rabbi on whether it was kosher for passover. Rabbi says no!)
Plus there's actually lots of grain, it's just all in the form of particularly bland and unappetizing crackers.
33: Yeah, it would be fine for Sephardim, and even lots of Ashkenazim who keep Passover moderately seriously don't exclude it. I guess the question is really how strict jms's friends are about this. Given that they asked her to make a dessert for their seder, maybe not very.
24. The ingredients list online says it's made from oil pressed from palm fruit, canola, soybean, flax and olive. Except for soybean, is that all okay? And how ambiguous is soybean? The attendees at this dinner aren't actually religious. Also the host specified that people should bring non-kosher wine because it tastes better, which I feel indicates that ambiguities can be exploited.
Many internet people claim that Earth Balance Buttery Sticks (Baking Sticks? Some sort of Sticks) have that little OU doohickey on them.
Also, lots of internet people recommend coconut oil. I guess you have to get the right kind? Act now!
Or non Passover wine. I don't actually know the difference.
I mean really, if these people are trusting me to cook them dessert in my grain- and pig- infested kitchen what can they expect.
Schmaltz is paleo, I guess. I'm actually hosting a Seder this year though not doing the cooking. I plan on telling the kid who finds the Afikomen that he/she can't eat it, because it causes weakness.
The ingredients list online says it's made from oil pressed from palm fruit, canola, soybean, flax and olive.
The tub in my sister's fridge also lists "natural flavor" which is "derived from corn"; I'm not sure if all varieties of the stuff include that, and in any case corn is in the same category as soy.
Except for soybean, is that all okay?
Yes.
And how ambiguous is soybean?
See 35.
The attendees at this dinner aren't actually religious. Also the host specified that people should bring non-kosher wine because it tastes better, which I feel indicates that ambiguities can be exploited.
In this case I think you're probably fine, though you might want to check with the host just to make sure.
There's some pretty damn good kosher wine once you dig a little deeper than Manischevitz. Also apparently kosher ouzo that my friend's libyan jewish father would serve. Made for quite a rollicking seder from what I hear.
I mean really, if these people are trusting me to cook them dessert in my grain- and pig- infested kitchen what can they expect.
Right, the fact that they asked you suggests strongly that they're not super concerned about maintaining the kashrut of the meal.
I plan on telling the kid who finds the Afikomen that he/she can't eat it, because it causes weakness.
I'm sure they'll be fine with this as long as you pay the ransom.
Or non Passover wine. I don't actually know the difference.
You're not alone. The world of kosher wine is among the most complicated and confusing parts of Judaism, and basically no one understands it except people directly involved in the industry. I don't even know offhand what makes a wine kosher for Passover in addition to just regular kosher. I guess they'd have to do a special inspection to make sure no grain falls in the vat or something.
I was going to suggest Buck's as a possibly quieter place, but it looks like it's closed down.
I was going to suggest Buck's as a possibly quieter place, but it looks like it's closed down.
In that case it'll definitely be quiet.
Regular kosher, mevushal, wine has been *boiled,* right? I'm not sure how good that can be.
48: Right. The boiling means it can be handled by gentiles without becoming non-kosher.
Damn I wish I knew where to get Kosher for Passover Slivovitz.
49: I will totally do some idolatry with that boiled wine anyway, teo.
51: No, see, the boiling means it's so shitty it doesn't matter.
51: also, to be completely honest among most of my friends the intermarriage ship has pretty much sailed.
52: Well you could make mulled wine.
53: Among my family too. We're not all that religious, though.
That link is pretty interesting. I didn't know regular Manischewitz wasn't considered kosher for Passover because it contains high-fructose corn syrup.
That right there probably tells you all you need to know about Manischewitz.
Speaking of meetups, clew, togolosh, Messily? Any of you going to be in town in June for reunions?
Also speaking of meetups (and Passover!), I'm in Philadelphia now and will be here for the next week or so. Is there any interest in a meetup? I'm not sure how many regulars live around here, but I know there's at least one.
Speaking of meetups, if anybody'll be at any breweries in Vermont this weekend, I probably won't recognize you, because how would I?
I've heard that people tend to be pretty good at recognizing other people by looking at their faces, actually.
Plus there's actually lots of grain, it's just all in the form of particularly bland and unappetizing crackers.
Which are those? Not matzoh!
I don't see why slivovitz wouldn't be kosher by default.
Couldn't Slivovitz be unkosher for the same reasons wine could be?
60: Dude. Where will you be? If you're not planning on going to Hill Farmstead, I have a recommendation for you: go to Hill Farmstead. Also, Three Penny Taproom. Also, Claire's in Hardwick. Do you want to hang out with my mom?
64: I am going to Hill Farmstead. Also the Alchemist. Not sure past that.
The Alchemist reopened? Yay. I have to run off to a concert at the moment, but if you want some recommendations, email me.
I guess it's not a pub anymore. But they still make beer.
Ooh, I bet I missed the deadline for my congregation's community seder. Maybe if I call tomorrow morning I can be squeezed in.
I was intermittently responsible for buying kosher wine in college, and observed over time that clerks rarely bothered carding me for those purchases. I'd guess they were right to judge it an unlikely target for illicit underage buyers, really.
Couldn't Slivovitz be unkosher for the same reasons wine could be?
No.
That only applies to the fruit of the vine, where "the vine" is a grape vine.
Torn between two imperfect plans for this weekend, I was briefly and unreasonably tempted to go test Sifu's lurker-recognition abilities, but I've realized that the fifth- or sixth-most serious obstacle to that imaginary plan would be that I would presumably fail the converse test of my Sifu-recognition abilities.
Huh. Well that's handy. Maybe I can find Slivovitz by Tuesday!
I guess there may be stricter rules for passover.
Apparently (according to the internet) some producers actually get the stamp. I suspect that this crowd would be entertained if I brought some stamp or no stamp.
There are some pretty good kosher wines made via the intensive supervision method, and none at all made by boiling. If anyone needs a good brisket recipe, I've been making this one for my Passover seders for years with great success.
60 -- Palm Sunday is totally Bro Day.
I just moved to SF and I have no friends, so obviously I'll be there.
I can't make Saturday the 6th, but I should be able to make Sunday the 7th if it's then.
59, 60: also, anyone fancy a beer in DC tonight? I seem not to be as insanely busy as I thought I would be.
79: About when? Where would be convenient?
7 or so? I am sort of around and about the world bank.
d'oh, got a dinner later, so was hoping for early. Next time.
I am sort of around and about the world bank.
Now this is making you wish you had responded to my email of a couple weeks ago. It concerned (possibly) this chap.
Oh, can do earlier if that's easier. Five thirty?
Knecht, don't think I got that one... Sorry for not replying if I did!
Oh, can do earlier if that's easier. Five thirty?
Knecht, don't think I got that one... Sorry for not replying if I did!
Jesus McQueen: Which town? I am indeterminately in Davis, Berkeley, and Seattle through August, then in Seattle with occasional blips of Berkeley.
You know, that town where we went to school, and which is on the way from Berkeley to Seattle.
87: I sent it to triplanetary-at-symbol hotmail. Maybe that account isn't in use anymore?
Oooh! Where we might naturally meet and have a collegial discussion of books and beer! I had not been planning to, though. I went to one June and I... liked it too much? feel I ought to move on? something.
Huh. No, that one is still in use. Sorry about that...
Huh. No, that one is still in use. Sorry about that...
Sorry, ajay, my workday just expanded and my evening thing pulled up a bit too. I'm squeezed out of this one.
Shall we agree to meet somewhere in the Mission, Saturday night?
How many of us will there be? We can always try the Sycamore and adjourn to Mission Bar if it's too crowded.
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I think I just walked past Standpipe in the Port Authority bus station. Made eye contact, did a double take, but couldn't remember who I thought they were fast enough to say "Hi".
Small world.
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Do the frontpager@deggofnu e-mail addresses still work?
Mine does, or at least has quite recently.
Mine is always confusing because it's not clear what to do with the hyphen and I can never remember which version works.
Just because I was in SFO a couple of weeks ago and I shot wlfsn a message.
106: We'll never know, will we.
oh, I didn't get it.
I think my email is benw-lfs-n at unfogged (hyphens replaced as you'd guess), but I should probably check.
I turned down my old mate's invite to some event called "Mr. Marina". Even he qualified it as "the douchiest thing in the douchebag district".
If it is between 6.30 and 7 Sunday in theory I could come. Where is the current proposed location, and does it have decent beer on tap? Location near or easily accessible to Upper Market would be fantastic.
Current proposed location is the Sycamore, on Mission between 17th and 18th. (So, yes, easily accessible to upper Market.) They do have decent beer on tap.
I do think that winning "Mr. Marina" could be a nice first step for Trapnel's quest to marry into money. Or Nosflow, I'm not judging!
Trapnel's quest to marry into Nosflow?
hyphens replaced as you'd guess
I know "/" always gets replaced with "ai-tai-chi-chi-b", but if we have to replace hyphens too, does it go on recursively?
Guys, Mr. Marina looks totally great. It's too late to join in 2013 as a contestant, but I totally want to see a Nosflow/Trapnel showdown in 2014:
http://sfist.com/2013/01/04/behold_your_finalists_in_the_2013_m.php#photo-1
111, 112: However, Saturday is not Sunday.
Mmmmm, Almanac and Triple Voodoo, but Saturday may not work. Oh well, have fun all you crazy unfoggedtarians. Perhaps the next SF meet up will coincide better with child's rehearsal schedule.
116: I think I even have the same cheap H&M blazer that Schmitt appears to be rocking in that picture, though I do not have his abs. Maybe by next year!
So, Sycamore on Saturday around seven?
(I've been crazy-busy at this conference, but have been checking messages at the other place).
You guys definitely need to liveblog the process of wandering all the hell over the mission trying to find someplace that's not packed.
Forget it. I'll never fit in.
Will nosflow be wearing a pink carnation or something like that?
Look for the awkward people.
Oh, fine, I'll wear my "Deutsche Bundesbank" t-shirt.
You'll recognize trapnel from the pro-RIAA billboards.
Oh yeah, and 130: I guarantee you that at 7 Mission Bar will not be packed.
Right, but Mission Bar makes for a good fallback. Which reminds me: I'm about to head over to the bar.
Oh, do liveblog. I sometimes yearn for the fjords fog.
I'm here, and in line for the bathroom.
More liveblogging: listening to Prince. Did I mention I got tickets for one of his shows at the DNA?
That rules, Josh. Now go to the meetup.
The guy in front of me in line totally left the seat up. Now I'm at the bar but I only know what x. trapnel looks like. I'm the chick in the awesome grey boots, folks.
I am also in the bathroom line. I do not see J. Robot.
Ah, I see. She isn't in line any longer. Well well well.
Wait J, Robot go back to the bathroom line.
Crap. Sorry, my mother called with a quick tech-support problem. Be there in 15m tops.
They'll meet you in the bathroom line, trapnel.
(She needed help watching the pirate Game of Thrones episode I'd helped her illegally download.)
Joined nosflow in line, but let him use restroom solo.
Tell them to let you off right at the bathroom line, Josh. Hurry!
I am here, awkwardly trying to guess who to talk to.
Just head for the bathroom line and it will all work out, Yawnoc.
That's where I am! Only the bathroom is unoccupied. The jig is up.
Narrow it down for me: front or back?
Just stay in line for the bathroom and all will be revealed.
We are hearing details of trapnel 's Iberian beauty. Says trapnel, "It was a terrible idea."
No one plans to have Iberian beauty. Iberian beauty is thrust upon them.
That's what I call my bathroom line, "Iberian Beauty".
Geez not even teo is liveblogging.
I was near an Ibernian beauty once. He was wearing beads and only had eyes for my friends.
yeah, any further displays of babeolliciousness, JR?
There was talk of bikes, the dating sites, then BBSes, then dirty limericks.
JR is discoursing on the relations between various academic disciplines.
Geez not even teo is liveblogging.
I'm reading about igloos.
I just bought "Albion's Seed". Was that a mistake?
The book? If so, then no, that wasn't a mistake, though I didn't find it especially convincing when it read it a million years ago. (Man, I'm old.)
The book, yes. Did they make a movie?
Sifu: This bar is not all that crowded. Sorry.
179: you didn't italicize, so how was I to know?
175 173: what sort of relations?
Incestuous ones, presumably.
I almost finished your book, old man.
Fair point. To 180 and 181. I don't quit know what to do with the existence of a bar in the mission that isn't crowded on Saturday night.
169 I was near an Ibernian beauty once.
Half Iberian, half Hibernian?
Neither of you wrote a book. Quit fucking me up.
I've never read Albion's Seed; my parents had a copy when I was growing up and it was one of their books that I was always thinking I should read at some point but never did.
183: and your cholera is gone, right? Or are you the person who left the mean review -- "He uses big words. Like apocryphal." -- at Amazon recently? In which case you seem to be quite choleric.
I spent several days last week in Colorado working with a reasonably famous author on a magazine story. Lo and behold, it turns out that all* writers, no matter how successful, suffer from the same insecurities and thin skin. Learning this was reassuring and sad in equal measure.
* My sample size contains does not contain multitudes.
I haven't reviewed it yet. I'm waiting to find out if the park gets built or not.
I do so wish that unfogged had an edit feature.
Also, I have to decide about my position on genocide.
The pro-genocide lobby needs you, Moby.
There's a forum in WMQ or somewhere where all of Albion's Seed is explained in something like 15 points. I read that.
186.--Well, from Catalan. Perhaps, I was subconsciously hedging my bets.
Even Woodrow Wilson himself needed only 14.
wait, what? the Iberian beauty wasn't a mistake at all. don't trust the robot!
oh and Sifu, I must have asked you this already, but were you on Argus?
205: yep. I feel like we have discussed this.
This is some first-rate liveblogging, guys. Keep up the good work.
Yeah especially keep us apprised of any further violence, or anything to do with the bathroom line.
Also, your specific plans for satisfying the karaoke requirement.
the karaoke is my next stop. trying to get them to come...
If you do karaoke, know that Unfogged East swears by "Jolene" and "Viva Las Vegas."
The igloo article was interesting; it's available here if you're either affiliated with a university or willing to pay Elsevier $40.
214: Jolene has already been suggested.
Update! Josh was in the bathroom itself. There was no line.
There's always a bathroom line. It just sometimes has a length of zero.
I'm sympathetic to that view, but I'm not sure Josh is.
J Robot tried to set Nosflow up with a friend. There was much speculation about how good Nosflow was in bed. And then I had to leave to meet my Iberian beauty. With whom I'm now going out for dancing & karaoke. Night, all.
Oh, and Josh and neB got me totally drunk.
Huh. Chasing space syntax around got me to a tangy little drink of vituperation.
Space syntax is cool stuff. Lots of information on it here.
It feels like they could make it clearer if equations were allowed. (Also, that awfully similar stuff is done under entirely different nouns for reserve, migration, subpopulation, predation analysis.)
Well, they also have a consulting practice, so they don't really want to make it too clear to anyone else.
Now we're debating the names of the New Kids on the Block.
I have been looking for space syntax social relations analysis of modern development houses -- the insides of Lennard houses, not the entire developments -- but not finding any.
Kids on the Block, Eyes on the Street, whatever.
Do it yourself! I think they'll give you at least some of their software for free if you have an academic affiliation.
I am back at my hotel, having shared my opinions on the three funniest features of the Agency's headquarters, Jimmy Cliff, and the hottest NKOTB (Donnie, of course). Also had an amazing burrito.
Home now. Albion's Seed is great and VW is sadly wrong about its convincingness.
Nobody saw fit to live blog nosflow's shark skin penis?
I think that was when I nearly spit my drink out.
That's no excuse for not liveblogging.
oh my god. I'd almost forgotten about the shark-scale cock.
231: read more carefully. I was sadly wrong about its unconvincingness twenty-some years ago. Now I'm unconvinced about its unconvincingness. This sort of tendentious misconstrual on your part is why I refuse to see you when I come into San Francisco.
What was the name if the burrito place?
Just spent too much money on yarn at Artfibers!
Also, does anyone who was there recall the name of the burrito place?
TEDIOUS MENSTRUAL WHAT, EXACTLY, YOUNG MAN?
if there is a river
more beautiful than this
bright as the blood
red edge of the moon if
there is a river
more faithful than this
returning each month
to the same delta if there
is a river
braver than this
coming and coming in a surge
of passion, of pain if there is
a river
more ancient than this
daughter of eve
mother of cain and of abel if there is in
the universe such a river if
there is some where water
more powerful than this wild
water
pray that it flows also
through animals
beautiful and faithful and ancient
and female and brave
238, 239, 241: And if you feel the need for another burrito before you go, you can always go to the Market Street location.
239: Ooh, did you get some of their exotic just-for-you awesome yarns?
I picked up a few colors of this gorgeous yarn, "Pleiades," as well as the equally beautiful "Zouzou," "Goldrush," and "Houdini."