In my experience. fasting pretty much always sucks.
However, fasting while also serving as a food source -- I would guess that would greatly amplify the suckitude.
That is my expert opinion, but I will acknowledge that technically speaking, I am not a medical doctor.
I always thought fasting was very specifically not recommended for nursing mothers because it could make your milk dry up.
(At least, that's why the Catholics exempt nursing women from any obligation towards fasting. And I assume that all Catholic teaching is based on sound biology.)
I've never had supply problems, or else I might not have tried it. And I drank plenty of water. Seemed fine.
Nursing moms are also exempt during Ramadan and Yom Kippur. I mean, if they're Catholic.
5: I bet if you fasted long enough, you would have supply problems.
But then you just make up the difference, ramping up milk production on the eat-extra days.
Well, I was googling for answers for you, and I ran across this page, which reads like a parody, and I'd like to believe is a parody, but I have a sinking feeling is not a parody at all. A despressing sinking feeling.
(Turns out it doesn't have much to do with fasting and nursing milk supply, though, so honestly I'm not very sure why it turned up so high in my search results, but sorry to threadjack, but jesus h. christ what is wrong with people?!)
I would imagine fasting while nursing would lead one to start gnawing on pillows, the mattress, one's own arm. THE HUNGERRRRR.
I will say, the fasting idea sounded like an interesting one, but I haven't been tempted to try it, because I know that I get dumb and cranky very quickly when my blood sugar levels start dropping.
I'm willing to believe that the body will adjust eventually, but I'm not interested in trying. I'm happy with consistent food habits.
The Calabat is draining my life force and the only thing that keeps me going are handy sources of carbs. Don't fast while nursing! I can't believe you didn't wake up having eaten the bedroom door or something.
I tried the fasting thing a couple of times and would do it again I think. Not the fasting thing where a 'fast' day involves a tiny amount of food, but zero kcal for a 24 hour period. If you do it from after your evening meal on day 1 until evening meal day 2, you are only skipping breakfast and lunch, and it's not that unusual for me not to eat until mid-afternoon anyway.
That said, I was getting pretty Hank Marvin by the end of the day.
14: I was hoping Hank Marvin was somebody famous in the UK for eating furniture, but alas, no.
I've tried fasting a few times over the past weeks. I've been fine with it, but am not nursing or exercising all that much lately.
the amount of whiskey I was drinking to get the kid to sleep was really taking it's toll.
18: Simpler to just pour the whiskey into the bottle, right?
Yeah, I'm not actually liking the tiny amount of food and it gets hard to manage exactly how much still counts as tiny and at what point I'm cheating. I mean, maybe I should have watched the dude's video or actually learned something before just starting to fast, but I didn't. I think a full fast would work better for me, but then the dinner-to-dinner version doesn't feel long enough. I guess I'm most of the way to skipping breakfast and lunch for today, so I may just stick with that and see how it works.
re: 20
It's 24 hours, the dinner to dinner version. When I did it I tried to eat promptly one day, and a little later the next to ensure it was a full 24, and not 22 or whatever, but I don't think it matters that much.
21: Yeah, I'd been doing the limited calories but dinner-to-breakfast (or lunch) with the limited day in between, but then I ended up having to do dinner for social reasons and that didn't really work even though it was after 24 hours. I think 24 hours of nothing but water would be much easier for me.
12: I used to get cranky, then very cranky as I got hungrier. As I got older it changed to vague symptoms of stroke, mostly lack of coordination. That's extraordinarily unpleasant, especially when driving at 75 mph; I keep power bars handy at all times.
I'm not very coordinated regardless of hunger, but not having eaten really does make me very cranky.
Not having eaten vegetables or whole grains makes me very sluggish. This is something that only happened as I got older.
I'm not very smart regardless of hunger, but after a few hours without food yesterday, I was so stupid that I couldn't figure how to put the quarter in and get a shopping cart at Aldi's.
Aldi's charges a quarter for a shopping cart?
27: It's a deposit. You get it back once you're done.
Having done survival training and that sort of thing, crankiness and low energy levels set in really quickly when you're fasting or near-fasting out of doors. By the evening of day 2 of an unexpected and unplanned survival situation, an otherwise jovial guy with a vague resemblance to Frodo Baggins had become a snarling, cantankerous little shit and only group singing of "Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life" was able to bring him round. By day 4 I was seriously considering their requests to sneak across to the next valley over and kill and eat a sheep, raw, when the instructors weren't watching.
28: Or more precisely, you get it back once you return the cart.
29: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmEmSzgwHGs
30: Thanks. They just opened one near me and I now I'll be prepared if I go.
32: I was helpful! Hurrah!
It's crucial to remember to bring a quarter and shopping bags, when you're shopping at Aldi's.
We always bring shopping bags because of our deep concern about the earth of peer pressure.
I'd imagine you'd want to be very careful about getting a lot of sleep if you were routinely fasting for 24 hours. I do think that the "eat every three hours" advice you get from nutritionists is typical nutritionist bullshit, but it seems like it would be pretty hard to sustain enough energy for really focused work or exercise on a full fast day, especially without a lot of sleep.
my fasts have only included skipping lunch. more than that might affect productivity.
I'm eating a whole pizza right now.
I was so stupid that I couldn't figure how to put the quarter in and get a shopping cart at Aldi's.
The stupidest I've been I was unable to figure out how to open a gate (which was a single metal bar) because I was convinced that it should rotate like a turnstile, and that wasn't working.
My friends who were with me found it comic, and thankfully I was able to get food shortly.
34: Good! The other thing to remember about shopping at Aldi's is that they only accept cash or debit cards for payment.
It seems excessive to use a debit card for a 25 cent shopping cart deposit, just carry a goddamn quarter.
an otherwise jovial guy with a vague resemblance to Frodo Baggins had become a snarling, cantankerous little shit and only group singing of "Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life" was able to bring him round
This is me, only I don't think even that would bring me around. I really do become an unpleasant person when I haven't eaten.
As I got older it changed to vague symptoms of stroke, mostly lack of coordination.
Now that's interesting, I've found the opposite as far as playing sports. If I have a hockey game at night and I don't eat dinner beforehand, my reaction time is much better, can knock down pucks from midair, etc. My endurance, which is what you'd think would be affected by having a full stomach, is about the same either way (unless we're talking excessively large dinner.)
40: Very funny, SP! But I'm trying to be helpful now, so I'm going to pretend not to get your joke.
A debit card won't get you a shopping cart at Aldi's -- for that you either need a quarter, or else be shameless enough to wait by the cart corral and ask people to give up their quarter deposit and let you have the shopping cart.
A discussion of the production level of Heebie's breasts deserves a special spot on the Unfogged timeline.
This is probably not the right thread to read while I'm trying to resist buying overpriced airplane food.
29: Seconded. Hunger, thirst, cold, heat and fatigue manufacture miserable, dead-eyed, stumbling maniacs right quick.
OT: You reprobates have about three days to (i) write encouraging things about root canal, rising to the challenge, the eye of the tiger, etc. (e.g., "Would Batman fill the nice doctor's prescription for Vicodin?") and/or (ii) prepare yourselves for a stretch of drugged whining about the pain.
I pre-hate anything that begins "Life is a." Particularly hatey hate to "Life is a sport. Drink it up." (What? How do I drink a sport? How do I drink life?) and "Life is a highway; I wanna ride it all night long." (You only want to live for the rest of the night? Am I misunderstanding you?) and the song named in the OP. (Lead? Follow? Is this some kind of sexual euphemism? Or?)
The only acceptable completion is "glorious cycle of song/A medley of extemporanea."
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Is it really wise to take your inspirational, seize-the-moment quotes from Marylin Monroe?
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The only acceptable completion is "glorious cycle of song/A medley of extemporanea."
Somehow this makes me think of:
"I tried real hard to not make this song sound like
Some other song that I might have written before
If I did it is because of my style and style is based on limitations."
Life...is like a beanstalk... covered with very fine bristles that impale the feet of ascending bedbugs?
The only acceptable completion is "glorious cycle of song/A medley of extemporanea."
Surely room needs to be made for "Life is a carnival--believe it or not / Life is a carnival--two bits a shot".
How about "Life is like a mayonaise soda"?
Oh, cute. I didn't remember the lyric "life's like bacon and ice cream." Song Lyric About Nonsensical Incongruity Obviated by Hipster Food Trend. I wonder if Lou and Laurie go to Brooklyn restaurants and Lou says to the waiter "what's good?" and the waiter says "bacon and ice cream!" which is actually on the menu.
Something dentists don't want you to know: the suicide rate after root canals is 70%.
I love that "Life is a highway" song, even though it's objectively stupid.
It's my own fault for looking at the front page of Slate, but can I stop hearing about Don Draper? He's now more omnipresent than the Kardashians, and he isn't even real.
I wonder if Lou and Laurie go to Brooklyn restaurants and Lou says to the waiter "what's good?" and the waiter says "bacon and ice cream!" which is actually on the menu.
I hope so.
46: I've done a couple of root canals, and while it was an unpleasant experience, it wasn't particularly painful - except when I flew in an airplane. Turns out the pressure change thing turns out to be a particular problem for half-complete root canals. DO NOT GET IN A PLANE UNTIL THE ROOT CANAL IS COMPLETE.
That is all.
57: Slate is dominated by those discussions of TV shows, now, isn't it?
And I guess it's part of the contrarian spirit, that Slate columnists discuss TV shows with absolute seriousness, while treating real life tragedies as setups for jokes.
I've also been doing the fasting 2 days/week thing except when I was on a bike tour last week. I find that I don't feel very hungry if the 500 calories are protein-heavy. A block of extra firm tofu comes to 400 calories and I'm pretty comfortable eating small portions of it (seasoned with soy sauce and sesame oil) throughout the day. Similarly for a bottle of the protein-rich variants of Naked juice---420 calories and small gulps of it keep you satiated for surprisingly long.
42: It's an aging thing, as various systems start to compensate less and less well for other system's behaviors and problems.
46: I had a few done a couple of years ago. No big deal, I think I used one Vike during all that, mainly to see what the fuss about Vicodin was about. I keep the rest as a possible exit tactic when I think the war is over.
Really, the worst part was the backache from the position they had me in to work on a tooth in the upper back.
soy sauce and sesame oil
Or green curry paste, which doesn't seem to go bad quickly. Tetrapak tofu and green curry paste and offroad blackberries, yum.
46: In my hopefully limited to once experience (because of cost, not pain), it won't hurt. Worst bit is keeping your mouth open that long. In fact, after surgical removal of my wisdom teeth, the root canal was the best dental procedure I've had. And this is coming from someone who experiences a high level of pain and discomfort in most dental matters, so you should really not worry.
In fact, after surgical removal of my wisdom teeth, the root canal was the best dental procedure I've had
Wow! Sounds like something that the Jack Nicholson/Bill Murray character in Little Shop of Horrors might have said.
Ha, we saw that recently, the night before kid C was having 3 teeth removed (baby ones that hadn't done the decent thing and made way for the next lot). He was wincing through that song.
I have had a couple of root canals. They have not been that bad.
re: 59
Yeah. I had something similar. Tooth drilled and exposed, but root canal not done yet. Flew to Turkey. One the flight back there was a pressure change and something 'popped' inside the tooth. Quite unbelievable pain the rest of the way back. I took all the pain killers I had, and it wasn't touching it.
The canal procedure itself was fine.
I wonder if Lou and Laurie go to Brooklyn restaurants and Lou says to the waiter "what's good?" and the waiter says "bacon and ice cream!" which is actually on the menu.
One of the flavors at our local hipster ice cream place is "maple bacon." Its quite tasty.
So, talking of nursing --> breasts --> Angelina Jolie, huh?
flip: batman wouldn't fill the prescription for vicodin, but alfred totally would. alfred has got like a full surgical suite in there to get the fucking batman back together after one of his evenings pursuing the (let's come together and admit, somewhat whimsical) city-wide crime-fighting strategy of punching individual muggers in the face. I had all four of my impacted wisdom teeth cut out of my jaw at one go (rather than doing them in two or three procedures, as was recommended). humans really can only swallow so much blood before they start to puke it up again, and people who are addicted to heroin find cold comfort in the arms of some punk-ass vicodin. also I had a root canal ages ago. both things kinda sucked--BUT!!!
I had a root canal just two weeks ago and it was a cakewalk. they have improved root canal technology radically over the course of my adult life. this was a tooth I had cracked grinding it at night in pain, against the porcelain and metal cap above. I ground the porcelain off, which my dentist didn't think was possible; she also couldn't believe I was blandly making an appointment with her rather than crying in the chair demanding emergency treatment. it's always nice to surprise people with ones native faculties. looked at in the light the tooth was like a crazed bone china cup, with faults running up and down everywhere. it hurt. the root canal itself? did not hurt. tell them to shoot you full of novocaine. and then more novocaine. the whole side of your face should be frozen, stroke-like, divided at the center of your lower lip. easy peasy lemon squeezy. make people go get you beef pho and drink only the broth. done.
In fact, after surgical removal of my wisdom teeth, the root canal was the best dental procedure I've had
I am wondering, in fear and apprehension, what the worst one was. The best dental procedure I've ever had was getting my teeth cleaned by the hygienist. Takes a few minutes, no pain, nice clean teeth.
Every other time you've been to the dentist, something has happened to you that is worse than having firmly-attached bits of your skull wrenched out with pliers?
humans really can only swallow so much blood before they start to puke it up again
This was the worst part of the wisdom teeth removal for me, too. (I also had all four out at one go - they didn't even mention breaking it up.) There was one day I thought I was so much better now, yes, not puking, cool, so I ate a big bowl of green jello. When I promptly puked it up, it hadn't yet had time to mix with the blood, so the puke was like Christmas.
The only root canal I've had was a lot less unpleasant than the procedure for extracting the tooth because the dentist had fucked up the root canal. It wasn't great, but I hadn't yet realised at the time that the dentist was an incompetent cowboy.
The worst dental procedure I've had was as a child where I got a routine filling but the guy had a low speed drill and no anaesthetic.
humans really can only swallow so much blood before they start to puke it up again
Because they don't apply themselves. The average human using only 10% of his or her blood-swallowing capacity.
I'm sure I could swallow an indefinite amount of blood, if it was pigs' blood made into a black pudding and I had a supply of decent beer to go with it.
I think once it is made into something you need to chew, we're talking about a different skill set.
humans really can only swallow so much blood before they start to puke it up again
Explains how Dracula keeps his waiflike figure.
My root canal had very little pain. So did the wisdom tooth extraction. In both cases I actually had a rotten tooth and they were surprised that THAT didn't hurt, although the rotten wisdom tooth had hurt for about a month earlier after it died.
Anyway, yes, the weirdest part was swallowing all the blood from the wisdom tooth. Despite the gauze. It took my appetite away for 2 days.
Damn it heebie, now the stupid song from the title is worming in my ear.
76.2: Yeah, that's why I avoided the dentist for too many years. This was reality for us:
Every other time you've been to the dentist, something has happened to you that is worse than having firmly-attached bits of your skull wrenched out with pliers?
Yeah. It's somewhere in the archives, but basically, I have wretched teeth - soft enamel that easily lets cavities form, despite actually, you know, brushing my teeth and stuff. (My addiction to gummy candy didn't help, though.) I guess I probably had at least a few times where it was just a cleaning, but in my memory, every single dentist visit also included at least one filling. As it turns out, the normal dental anaesthetic doesn't work for me (this is common). I didn't realize that everything was hurting me more than it should - this had been happening since I was 5 or so, I just accepted that it was painful and never mentioned it to the dentist. It wasn't until my late 20s that I found out, when, after a long absence from dental procedures (as, not surprisingly, I hated them) I had my root canal, and that dentist finally noticed that I needed to be doped up at 5 times the normal level or whatever it was he did that finally let me have a blessedly pain-free experience. So yes, root canal - second best experience. Oral surgery was even better - I didn't even have to experience the wisdom teeth being removed!
84: good heavens. My sympathy, and I am glad that your dentist now understands the need to get you out of your head before trying to take anything else out of it .
84: good heavens. My sympathy, and I am glad that your dentist now understands the need to get you out of your head before trying to take anything else out of it .
(When I first read ajay's comment I missed the "you". Fortunately he reposted it.)
85, 86: Thanks. I have a pretty high pain tolerance so I suspect it wasn't as bad as it could have been, but I really, really should have said something first. Now I know to tell them right upfront.
87: I don't even want to think about how much I have paid for dentistry and will continue to pay...or, come to think of it, now that I'm sponging off UK citizens, how much ajay's taxes will pay.
88: don't worry, none of us here begrudge a few pence a year to buy you really good drugs.