What if getting punched in the mouth is your plan?
2: You just out-thought Mike Tyson! Unpossible!
I hate the movement which disturbs the lines.
6: I'm too lazy to look up the context, but he's probably talking about fights. The military version of that saying regarding battles has been around a long time.
7: I know, I don't really bear Mike Tyson any ill will. Any friend of Wayne Newton's is a friend of mine!
Since at least 1871, although Tyson's line is a bit more, uh, visceral.
I can speak to the accuracy of the Tyson quote when sparring. Both as the recipient, and the deliverer.
No, obviously. But by people who hit hard enough for it be momentarily quite unpleasant, yes.
7: actually he's talking about Robin Givens.
15: absolutely not true! A horrible joke, hence my immediate regret
Another widely applicable Tyson quote: "I want to fight, fight, fight and destruct the world."
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Lawyer-ish bleg: I sold the old Volvo to our housekeeper's husband. He asked me to leave the title blank when I signed it over. I said "sure" but I'm not exactly sure what scenarios he's picturing. He gave me $500 and drove off, on the spot, and we agreed I'd just give the paperwork to our housekeeper.
Afterwards I found the title, and printed the paperwork out. There's a transfer-of-title form for me to submit to the state within 30 days, to protect myself from liability. On that form, it says "Buyer Information - Provide as much buyer information as possible".
I can't imagine that I can leave the *entire section* blank - I'm sure they just mean "don't sweat it if you don't know their zip code".
We texted a little bit, and she's hesitating to give me a name. What is the likely scenario that's going on? If I do them a favor and either leave the buyer's name blank, or if I don't turn in the liability protection form at all, am I taking a stupid huge risk, or a relatively small risk when clearly they have their reasons?
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Hey! I need to be resurrected in the sidebar, so that someone will take pity on me and tell me what to do.
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How much is the transfer tax on a car there? And did the car still have your plates?
Also, is your housekeeper's husband a murderer and/or meth cook and/or ice cream man?
Car still has our plates, yes. Transfer tax...let's see, I think we paid $700 taxes on a $10K minivan. So that percent?
He's probably just trying to avoid paying taxes, but I'd think there is a risk to you.
That is, even if he is not using the car to hide a body, there is a big liability risk to you.
A friend sold a car (but to someone he didn't know and whose address was scammy) and let the guy drive off with his plates. The guy didn't title/register it and a shit ton of DC parking tickets ended up hitting my friend.
IANAL and I know nothing whatsoever about this, but I thought the risk was that you might be liable if the driver got into an accident. I vaguely remember a scandal a few years ago when alleged nonprofits who accepted donated cars failed to properly transfer the title.
If it were a different car I would assume he was selling it to drag racers who were going to soup it up, and the big concern there would be if one of them killed someone.
But possibly my perspective on this is colored by living in an area where uninsured drivers are rampant and drag-racing accidents are not uncommon.
If that's all it is, then I don't feel bad forcing the issue. Because it would only be $30 or so. I was picturing some issue regarding someone undocumented, but wasn't sure what exactly the situation might be. The wife and children are documented, so I assume the husband is too, but they're fairly recent Mexican immigrants.
That was to 23. Let me read the comments in between now.
I also thought maybe they didn't intend to drive it off farm property or something. Or planned on driving it back to Mexico and giving it to a family member there, or something. No idea.
It sounds like I should force the issue and protect myself, though.
Oh, now that you say that I wonder if it isn't that the husband IS undocumented. If he is, he can't legally drive in Texas, nor can he license a vehicle, I believe.
Then I'm back to not knowing what to do...
Not to sound like a grouch, but whether he is undocumented is not your problem. Liability for the car is. I would force the issue.
Here's why NY state has to say about liability and transferring title (scroll down): http://www.charitiesnys.com/donating_vehicle.jsp
I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, and most ruthless champion there's ever been. There's no one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No, I'm Alexander, he's no Alexander. I'm the best ever! There's never been anybody as ruthless! I'm Sonny Liston, I'm Jack Dempsey. There's no one like me. I'm from their cloth. There's no one that can match me. My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart! I want to eat his children! Praise be to Allah!
If there's worries that he's undocumented can't you just transfer the title to the wife instead of the husband?
8. Any friend of A.J.Ayer is a friend of mine.
32: If he is a murderer, you probably don't have much of a liability concern if he is good at it.
36, 37: You may get a kick out of this.
Footnote 2: Ayer seems to have been introduced to the Parisian intelligentsia by his various girlfriends. For example, regarding Albert Camus, Ayer remarked that "I don't know his work well, but he and I were friends: we were making love to twin sisters after the war" [Rogers, 2002, 197].
This paper examines the circumstances of a meeting between Ayer, Merleau-Ponty, Wahl, Ambrosino and Bataille, which took place in 1951 at some Parisian bar.
great line. I especially like the indeterminate location.
Afterwards I found the title, and printed the paperwork out. There's a transfer-of-title form for me to submit to the state within 30 days, to protect myself from liability. On that form, it says "Buyer Information - Provide as much buyer information as possible".
I can't imagine that I can leave the *entire section* blank - I'm sure they just mean "don't sweat it if you don't know their zip code".
I am not your lawyer, and not a lawyer at all in the state of Texas, and don't really know what I'm talking about, and this advice could be terrible, but if it were me I would just fill out the form, and on the buyer section write "Unknown--Cash Buyer--No Name Given." And then submit the form and see what happens. I'm reasonably sure that selling a car to an unidentified cash buyer isn't illegal or anything, and once you've reported that you sold the car and no longer own it, I think you're covered from a liabilty perspective.
Again, I could be totally wrong, but that's what I would do. If I were really worried about it, I would call the RMV (or whoever it is whose form you are filling out), and tell them you sold the car to a cash buyer who didn't give a name, and ask them how exactly you should complete the form.
I agree with urps. Gotta get it on record that you don't have that thing anymore, regardless of who bought it.
Then who do the traffic tickets go to?
I don't know. I've never lived anywhere with automated traffic-tickets-by-mail. I get pulled over.
But my expectation would be that the traffic tickets would be dealt with just like they are with a totally unlicensed car. (Whatever that process is.)
Oh, you meant parking tickets. Same answer though. When the traffic cops search the plates, wouldn't they just show up as unregistered?
I really don't know what I'm talking about, this being a car here, but don't you keep the plates when you sell a car, and the new owner has to get their own plates? I thought license plates identified "Car X registered to Driver Y" rather than just "Car X".
46 differs by state. Some states the plates are for the car, some they're for the driver.
I was assuming in my earlier responses that Texas is a state where the plates are supposed to stay with the car. I agree that if Heebie was supposed to keep the plates but didn't, that's probably an issue and there's going to be a different form she's got to fill out. (And she'll probably have to pay for new plates.)
47: This is one of the many things about cars I did not know. Amusingly, I represent the relevant state agency, leading me to ask questions of agency people like "This thing on this guy's record -- is that unusually bad, or do ordinary people get that category of ticket frequently." (Plates have never come up professionally.)
Right, the default here is that plates stay with the car, unless it's vanity plates or something.
Urple's plan sounds good. I can do that.
I am also assuming that this is all happening in Texas, that heebie herself had properly registered the vehicle, that she is legally a US resident by virtue of citizenship, and that she has no actual knowledge that the car was being purchased for illicit purposes (including especially for the purposes of importing illegal drugs into the United States, or for any activity in support of terrorism). If any of those assumptions are false, my advice could change.
Some states the plates are for the car, some they're for the driver.
That's pretty confusing...
I could also ask about putting the wife's name down, but the fact that she hasn't proposed that made me wonder if that wouldn't also cause complications. I know she takes the citizenship test in a few weeks, and that her daughters are already citizens, but I don't know any other circumstances.
52: And here we all thought you really grokked the weirdness of the US.
53: the fact that they are hesitating makes me think they have a good reason, whatever it may be. I really do think you're allowed to sell a car to an unidentified stranger for cash. At least in most states. (Per 31, I could imagine Texas having a different rule specifically in an attempt to prevent undocumented immigrants from purchasing vehicles. That's my main hesitation.)
I'm willing to take that kind of risk to help them out - submitting the form at all probably means that I could shell out for a lawyer and successfully fight any mess that comes down the road.
When I heard that quote, it was by Joe Louis, and I suspect it much predates him.
If you've ever heard an interview with Mike Tyson though, he is a really intelligent guy -- not intelligent in the sense of doing smart things, there he's an idiot, but he has this cockeyed but deep wisdom. He reads a lot too.
Here he is on Machiavelli --"I think Machiavelli's the most sophisticated writer outside of Shakespeare. Way ahead of his time. Such a manipulative person. Everything he accomplished he did by kissin' ass."
or this --
"The act of treachery is an art, but the traitor himself is a piece of shit"
If those lines had shown up in the script of the Sopranos everyone would be swooning over the genius of the scriptwriter.
I really doubt you're doing them any kind of favors by letting them have a car that's not titled or registered. They're going to be breaking the law if it's not registered to them in 30 days. I would be really really nervous about just assuming that they know what is a risk and what isn't a risk. Having an unregistered car (or registering an untitled car) is surely going to be a way bigger problem than just having their name on a form.
Apparently in California you can indeed just put "unknown" for the buyer's name and address. No idea if that is normal.
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For Heebie -- fashion something something (from wonkblog): "REM counts as college rock, so let's listen to "Radio Free Europe" "South Central Rain." But you should watch this just so you can laugh at how people dressed in 1983. "
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58--I would wanna pushback and say that Tyson is smart in SPITE of that stuff; Machiavelli is the Ayn Rand of rap culture....
61 -- I still say "Ivy on the wall but not around the lettering" whenever I drive by.
When the traffic cops search the plates, wouldn't they just show up as unregistered?
Here the DMV can flag the record on that car that it's been sold, but usually we see that off of the VIN because the plates aren't supposed to go with the car. Running the old plates on a car that has been sold just yields a "no results" type message that lets the cop know those plates are no longer attached to any vehicle. TX doubtless also has ways to show the vehicle's been sold in their database.
Here you have to show a valid DL when getting the registration. It's common for the undocumented to drive around a legit vehicle in good working order, insured, etc., but is registered to a friend or relative who had a valid license.
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Here's a mashup I didn't see coming.
'Paula Deen' Shoots 'Trayvon Martin' in 'Law & Order: SVU' Episode
Cybill Shepherd will star as the Deen-esque celebrity chef Jolene Castille, who claims self-defense, saying that she'd heard police were on the hunt for a rapist who fit the victim's description.
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When I heard that quote, it was by Joe Louis, and I suspect it much predates him.
My dad (long before I came along) met Joe Louis after World War II in Detroit. This was a huge thrill. Dad and a friend got out of the Army and took a road trip from their western Pennsylvania hometown. Not exactly Route 66: they went to ... Cleveland! Toledo! Detroit! Toronto! Buffalo! ... and home. Dad was 20 or 21. He always claimed that Louis was the greatest heavyweight.
I saw Muhammad Ali waiting for a plane once at O'Hare and he looked in bad shape. He was alone, but the gate agents and security people kept an eye on him. They all called him Champ.
Rocky had a plan to get punched in the mouth and it worked out better each time.
Seems like he just got punched in the mouth himself.
No, it just seems like he kept taking drugs.
63: the key part of that quote is not the namechecking Machiavelli, but the accurate note that Machiavelli is an ass-kisser. As contrasted with Tyson the mouth-puncher. You have to have actually read Machiavellli to get such a clear sense of that.