It was a women's lacrosse event. Douchebag equality will soon be upon us.
The group also allegedly exposed a female student's genitals to patrons
The group did this? Was said female student a member of said group? If not, this is sexual assault. If yes, then what was the involvement of the rest of the group?
"OK, Bob, you connect the webcam to the large screen TV. Chad is in charge of the remote--you're not too drunk to find the "TV/Video" button, right? Now Ralph, you hold the flashlight. And on the count of three, Lisa, you . . . well, you know what to do."
"Was said female student a member of said group? "
Sexist. They let women play women's lacrosse now.
College students have wild party. Person who did not attend wild parties in college is jealous/fascinated/resentful. News at 11.
3: You think women can't be named Bob, Chad, or Ralph? Who's the sexist now, huh?
Have we attained the long-sought goal of gender equality for boorish behavior by college lacrosse teams? Also, mentioning the alleged "paltry tip" was a nice way to place into perspective the alleged transgressions.
4: I'm going to stick with urinating on a bar in a restaurant as being outside the bounds of acceptability.
The important part is that these douchebags will be running the country in a few years. And that the people running the country right now were exactly these douchebags, but were better at keeping it quiet. And that they all think they're better than "those people."
7 -- College students have wild party. Person who did not attend wild parties in college is jealous/fascinated/resentful. News at 11.
8: I'm also going to stick with urinating on a bar in a restaurant as being outside the bounds of acceptability.
Yeah, me too, but sometimes college students do things that are unacceptable while having wild parties. Why do we care about this?
cocaine use in the bathrooms and urinating on the bar
One of these is obviously terrible, but one just seems like a matter of simple expediency.
Wharton is the business school of that university. The pissing on the bar party was most likely not what you'd call "wild", just very drunk.
Maybe they just mixed up the word order? Cocaine use on the bar and urinating in the bathrooms wouldn't be so bad.
Having a wild party and destroying things in the confines of your frat house: totally normal. Having a wild party and destroying things in public in someone else's restaurant: oblivious, arrogant, asshole behavior.
14: On the other hand, at least you still have an undestroyed frat house.
And undertipping for it. I mean, still obnoxious and unpleasant, but if you have a wild party and do property damage, and then pay for all the damage with enough extra that the inconvenienced proprietor and employees are mollified, it is at least somewhat less bad.
I think I also don't necessarily have a picture of what "urinating on the bar" means. Like, I was thinking "standing on the bar pissing on it", but it could be "so drunk as to mistake standing at the bar for standing at a urinal"; while both are obviously inappropriate in most restaurants, they carry very different implications a/f/a what sort of party it was.
I'm not saying they shouldn't pay for whatever damages at the bar, or be banned from the bar in the future. Still, this story really is: college students have wild party at a bar. Person who did not attend wild parties in college at a bar is jealous/fascinated/resentful. News at 11.
"so drunk as to mistake standing at the bar for standing at a urinal"
I find this hard to conceptualize. I would hit "so drunk as to no longer be conscious" long before that.
"Conscious" and "able to stand" are not necessarily perfectly correlated.
Maybe they just had an accident.
Maybe your face just had an accident.
Perhaps they mistook it for one of those working class bars with the trough where the foot rail otherwise is.
A fratboy (back in the '80s) friend of Buck's reports having been thrown out of a bar once because he was drunk enough to have believed no one would notice or mind his pissing on the dance floor. So, a reportedly achievable level of intoxication -- still upright and remembering the incident the next day, but drunk enough to have completely lost track of what sort of urination-related behaviors people usually object to.
Does that person now "run the country"?
Does that person now "run the country"?
Surprising defensiveness on behalf of the boorish entitled property-destruction crowd from one member of our community -- combined with conviction that everyone is "fascinated" in such stories. But we will NOT take the bait and ask for your college anecdotes.
No, he's one of those odd hippie/fratboy combinations -- literal fratboy at the time, and still clearly that sort of person, but also very much with the spiritual-let-me-smudge-that-with-sage-for-you-to-clear-the-negative-energy sort of thing. He works for some DC-area parasitic-on-the-DOE company doing renewable energy stuff.
@7 "keeping it quiet"
Hard to believe it never leaked before. Are there no waiters at the St. Regis? I guess the difference is the videos. Even so, it seems like small beer, exactly what you'd expect from "Wall Street faux fraternity."
Also, the nod to the still-unsullied humanity of the 20-something bankers and traders makes me go, "O RLY?" Maybe New York mag thinks that's one of their demographics.
16: and then pay for all the damage with enough extra that the inconvenienced proprietor and employees are mollified, it is at least somewhat less bad.
Speaks somewhat to Jason's overall points (wild college party envy aside). But it's all OK if your accountants end up paying for it all.
Not saying LB is objectively pro McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission but not saying she isn't.
OP item reminded me of a small somewhat sad item I saw in passing in a local upstate NY newspaper a few years back when the newly-restored bar in not-very-genteel Jamestown NY was destroyed in a somewhat wilder romp by a local rugby team. No one with extra money involved on any side of that one the article made clear.
27: At least they didn't get drunk and download movies!
Does anyone know if bars in college areas typically take out insurance against this sort of thing, and what it would cost?
Some breakage, both of facilities and equipment is probably written off in the normal course.
A friend of mine owned a college bar in the 70s for a time, but this sort of question never came up in conversation. I had no head for business then; now I'd be very interested.
At least they didn't get drunk on evil, evil beer and download movies!
33: Oops. Cleanup may be necessary.
Speaks somewhat to [...] overall points
Possible discretion issue here.
I've been to Fado in DC (near Verizon Center) . It is a little cheesy.
31 - Wasn't David Cameron a member of this collection of entitled twits, a society which exists for the explicit purpose of getting hammered and trashing restaurants?
17: I dunno, do they have a law school, too?
24: a loose aqaintence of mine owns a bar here. A surprising number of people seem to think it is OK to piss on the dance floor, on the bar, on the stage while performing, well, anywhere. OK, by people, I mean men. Maybe it happened, but I haven't heard of any non-male-identified incidents.
I've spent a lot of time in bars. I've never seen somebody piss on the actual bar. I think that's a step beyond "wild party" and into malicious damage.
Yesterday morning I saw a mentally disturbed guy who lives at the home down the street pissing in the gutter between two parked cars. I hadn't previously taken him for a respectable MBA type, but Rob has set me straight on the point.
Pissing inappropriately is the sine qua non of fine breeding.
At least he was going between the cars.
Fado franchises usually have overpriced beer and a hostile ambiance saturated with the looming possibility of petty frat-boy violence or, even worse, loud conversations among with people with horrible priors. On the other hand they show European soccer live.
44: Wow sounds like a commute hour bus between the Marina and the Financial District. Minus the beer, gotta catch a 19 Polk for that.
And minus the football, suppose you could play it on your phone.
39: I'd thought it was just Boris Johnson. But no! Cameron too! Awesome.
39: I'd thought it was just Boris Johnson. But no! Cameron too! Awesome.
And Osborne. We truly are ruled by cunts.
I've always wondered about relations between the Bullingdon Club and the Dangerous Sports Club. That would make a fun setting for a '70s-era Lord-So-and-So-amateur-detective-doesn't-care-about-the-murder-of-some-hippie-tutor-but-someone-has-stolen-the-club-wombat mystery.
OT: Republican running in primary vs Rep. Ted Yoho is a LARP enthusiast, who apparently doesn't mind having his photos published. Story is WaPo, so safe for work. This amuses me terribly.
"...And that's when I took my dick out."
There is a reason that the Bohemian Club restricts this sort of activity to The Summer Encampment. Pissing on the trees is encouraged.
52: I hate Obamacare but I'll be damned if I'll vote for some filthy nerd!
53,54 -> 52.
We really need a LISP engine sometimes.
Yes, I'm spending most of my day on hold.
53: I really wonder whether he changed the names. I should see whether the couple I know with that name and appropriate degrees/professions were dating back then....
Bullingdon Club: painful lingering death would be too good for them.* The fact that several of the Tory front bench were members tells you everything you need to know about the contemporary Tory party.
* I've known at least one member. A prick of the highest water.
Seriously, how did Boris Johnson achieve elected office? I can understand inherited wealth or whatever, but that guy seriously does not seem capable of tying his own shoelaces. What is the constituency for "let's elect hillariously risible upper class buffoons to important political office"? I mean yeah yeah yeah we voted in George W. Bush but he's not as visibly completely ridiculous as Boris Johnson. Look at that hair!!
Everything in here seems sort of acceptable for a college party except the 4% tip. If someone has to clean up your piss a 25% tip is about the minimum appropriate.
Maybe someone knew it was going to be that kind of party so they stuck their tip in the mashed potatoes and then it got thrown out.
I think the women's lacrosse team was the one to stiff on the tip, but it was Wharton people who, on a different night, pissed on bar.
The women did have an case of exposed genitals, but they were not weaponized.
62/64: I'd read carefully, since the lacrosse player pissing on the bar would have covered both.
If she drank enough, I suppose she might cover both.
More piss-covered bar vs less covered genitals, I mean.
Covering a bar takes a certain amount of fluid.
And you can cover genitals with piss.
Granted, it doesn't provide the opaque coverage many bar owners want to see over genitals.
I know this is off topic,but I did in fact just find five dollars on the sidewalk.
If you pissed on it, that would make it on-topic.
I was on my way out of a bar, is that partial credit.
I've been to that Fado. Directly after this.
Did that associate piss on the bar, or did you have to do it yourself?
If it was an associate, I'm pretty sure they pissed at 11pm and yelled at someone about coffee.
re: 59
Well, Johnson is considerably smarter than Bush. The buffoon shit is partly just a schtick that he's worked up. A lot of what he believes or proposes is standard evil-Tory-bastard stuff, wrapped in a layer of buffoon-ish apparent harmlessness. I'd bet that Johnson is considerably smarter than most of the Tory front bench, who are genuinely the thickest front bench I can ever remember.
I've had a few arguments with friends who buy the whole 'Boris is a larfff, hilarious innee?' shit.
The buffoon shit is partly just a schtick that he's worked up. A lot of what he believes or proposes is standard evil-Tory-bastard stuff, wrapped in a layer of buffoon-ish apparent harmlessness
Indeed. He was memorably described by one of my friends as a cunt in twat's clothing.
Well, Johnson is considerably smarter than Bush. The buffoon shit is partly just a schtick that he's worked up. A lot of what he believes or proposes is standard evil-Tory-bastard stuff, wrapped in a layer of buffoon-ish apparent harmlessness.
The Evil Clown Tendency, in fact. http://www.unfogged.com/archives/comments_13325.html
Bullingdon Club: painful lingering death would be too good for them.
On the subject of painful lingering death, the chap who assassinated Rasputin was a Bullingdon Club alumnus.
82. Wasn't the Bullingdon a standard issue huntin', shootin' and fishin' club in those days?
What I want to know is why a pseudo-Irish pub is called Fado. It should be a Portuguese folk music bar.
Oh and Johnson's actual politics are even nastier than Davybloke's.
82: I don't know. Peter Fleming was a member too and he was a generally good bloke.
re: 83
I believe so.
The wank that I know who was in the Bullingdon, told us a story once that I think he thought we [the group that was in the pub] would find funny. About how they'd trashed some Indian restaurant [for which he got fined by the college], and then, on the anniversary of trashing it, him and his arsewipe mates, booked again under a false name, and trashed it again. The wankers, I not, don't do this sort of shit in hard pubs, where someone might extract physical redress.
I am slightly amazed, by the way, at the widespread assumption here that getting obnoxiously drunk and breaking a place up is specifically typical upper-class behaviour. It really isn't limited to the upper classes, as anyone who runs a pub in (say) Colchester, Catterick, Tidworth or Plymouth could testify. It's typical "drunken lout" behaviour and that's not a category limited to one class. The upper classes actually come off fairly well here in that they limited themselves to property damage rather than starting to fight.
The upper classes actually come off fairly well here in that they limited themselves to property damage rather than starting to fight.
I think that's getting at the difference, though. At least IME, I've never seen or heard of deliberate property damage in 'hard' pubs; it's always been incidental to violence. Actually smashing up a place for fun, though? That seems Bullingdon to me.
What I want to know is why a pseudo-Irish pub is called Fado
Because of not entirely convincing naming rationale
re: 87
What 88, said. This isn't incidentally to violence, or as a result of idiocy. It's pre-planned, by people who know they have the power and wealth to avoid jail, and who then exploit that privilege for the express explicit purpose of behaving like total bastards with impunity.
Bollox to the pseudo-Irish, then. This is Fado.
88 gets it right I think. It's the malice aforethought: "A shriller note could now be heard rising from Sir Alastair's rooms; any who have heard that sound will shrink at the recollection of it; it is the sound of English county families baying for broken glass."
Re comment 1, didn't Han/na Ro/sin write a long piece about the embrace of fratboyishness by Ivy League b-school women?
59: Boris Johnson has retained a patina of culture in a way that GWB hasn't. He *sounds* like he could be kind of smart.
90: but then again, is it better to go out for the evening with the intention of getting drunk and smashing up a restaurant, or to go out for the evening with the intention of getting drunk and starting a fight?
94: Gosh, no he doesn't. He's like the Platonic form of the sort of in-or-overbred English twit who one would discover without much surprise couldn't write his own name.
This sort of thing, for example.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/wythenshawe-pub-brawl-thug-adam-6675775
59, 94: The office of mayor of London has only existed since around 2000, is not taken seriously, and has functioned so far as a sinecure for clowns.
Boris Johnson is probably reasonably smart, for whatever that's worth (nothing).
He *sounds* like he could be kind of smart.
This is a special British trick that works on former colonists. There's an entire trans-atlantic trade in journalists/TV personalities that rests on it.
The office of mayor of London has only existed since around 2000, is not taken seriously, and has functioned so far as a sinecure for clowns.
That's not actually true. The first mayor was Ken Livingstone, who is definitely not a 'sinecure for clowns' kind of guy. And the Mayor has quite a bit of power, and controls a very large budget [in the region of $20 billion US].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayor_of_London#Powers_and_functions
Is there still a Lord Mayor of London? That could plausibly be a sinecure.
re:101
Yes, there is still a Lord Mayor. Very different role.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Mayor_of_London
101: there is still a Lord Mayor of the City of London. (The City of London is, of course, different from the large city called "London".) This is largely but not exclusively a sinecure. He has a fantastic official hat, arranges a large and extravagant parade every year, and acts as a sort of chief lobbyist and spokesman for the London business community, especially the financial and shipping bits of it. He is elected by the members of the Livery Companies - ie the Worshipful Companies of Mercers, Goldsmiths, Tallow Chandlers, Wax Chandlers, Salters, Ironmongers, Gardeners, Lightmongers, Security Professionals, Air Navigators etc.
Well, yeah. As a child I was schooled on the fact that the Mayor of London was not the kind of mayor I was used to.
pwned, but I added more bizarre ceremonial detail.
104: it used to be, back in the eighteenth century or so. Back then the Lord Mayor used to call out the troops to suppress outbreaks of riot. With grapeshot.
Part of the problem is that a lot of people haven't adapted to the idea that the mayor is important yet. Turnout in mayoral elections is pretty poor. National-level media doesn't cover city hall politics, local-level media tends to concentrate on the boroughs, and the Evening Standard is known as the Evening Boris.
Arguably, all the post-2000 mayors were elected because they offered the chance to annoy the Very Serious People in one way or another. Labour considered putting up Alan Sugar last time, and the depressing thing is that he might have won.
107: I don't think you can argue that we've got a problem with the Mayor of London not having a high enough media profile. The London Assembly, definitely. (I certainly can't name my MLA offhand.)
National-level media doesn't cover city hall politics, local-level media tends to concentrate on the boroughs, and the Evening Standard is known as the Evening Boris.
Yeah, for the last two years or more of his mayorship (-dom?-hood?-alty?), the Standard was basically engaged in all-out war against Livingstone.
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110: and there goes my newly recovered productivity.
I'm glad to see our GMT+0 contingent is not defining entitled deviancy down.
Actually, the game in 110 kinda sucks. Because turning the squares into realistic photos somehow causes a bigger cognitive load to have to go into just figuring out which image is which than if they're numbers or colorful animated cartoony things, which makes it harder to get into the game's rhythm.
Actually, as of Sunday we're the GMT +1 contingent.
113: Probably it'd just take a longer period of familiarization to turn the various Cumberbatchen into symbols you could handle at high speed.
I don't think you can argue that we've got a problem with the Mayor of London not having a high enough media profile
The mayor doesn't; Boris does.
116: so did Ken. Maybe less positive (thanks to the Evening STandard) but you can't say that he didn't get plenty of coverage!