Re: Mattress topper

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Latex mattress + latex topper = SWPL heaven.


Posted by: Den E. Crumb | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 8:07 AM
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I believe you now. I suppose I had to learn the hard way.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 8:09 AM
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Isn't that like sleeping on a condom filled with condoms?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 8:09 AM
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Heavenly!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 8:13 AM
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Until the latex allergy kicks in.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 8:17 AM
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So you're one of those hot, sweaty sleepers. Don't blame the mattress, weirdo. Like a normal mammal, my body temperature drops when I sleep, and our foam mattress is perfectly comfortable even when it's hot out.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 8:24 AM
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This is gonna end up like The Princess and The Pea, isn't it.


Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 8:36 AM
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Just take the pea out from under your stupid mattress and you'll sleep fine.


Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 8:36 AM
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I've told the story about Sally and the scissors, right? She was maybe around four, and we'd read the Princess and the Pea not long before that. I went into her room to wake her up: she opened her eyes, stretched luxuriously, totally comfortable, and then looked a little puzzled, reached under herself, and pulled a (childsafe, blunt) pair of scissors from under her hip where she'd been sleeping on them all night. Not a true princess.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 8:43 AM
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I have a wool mattress topper and especially appreciate it in the summer.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 9:02 AM
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Is it reasonable to get a topper topper?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 9:08 AM
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9: my kid went through a nice long stretch of loving the Carol Burnett/Tracy Ullman remake of Once Upon a Mattress, anyone with kids from say 3-8 I recommend it. Until he was maybe 6 we used to play a lovely little game when crossing Larkin on the bus, the parent(s) looking out in one direction to spot Lady Larkin, my boy looking the other, and sure enough every time one of us managed to just catch a glimpse of her turning a corner ... to bad the other one never managed to see her!

For those with young kids in about the same age range, maybe towards the older side? within driving distance of Cleveland, or anyone interested in dance, this October Ashley Bouder of NYCB is putting on a show. Bouder is fantastic, and I am thrilled to see her creating opportunities for herself to move into artistic director opportunities once she retires from dancing because god knows the ballet world clearly needs amazing women artists to create these opportunities for themselves. I strongly suspect that the dancing will be of an extremely high caliber.

Thorn - if it isn't too far to drive, I think your two older daughters might really enjoy the show, but really I'd encourage anyone open to experiencing this particular sub-set of the dance world to check it out. Looks like a reasonably varied program, including some new choreography. If there is a balcony at the venue, aim for tickets near the front of that. They are apparently going to do some Petipa and perhaps Balanchine, and much of the corps work risks being lost on the people seated in the parterre. Tickets look to be very reasonably priced.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 9:12 AM
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Are tickets already on sale? If so, can you link to where?


Posted by: Den E. Crumb | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 9:17 AM
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Wool is best for summer? I always associate wool with winter, because sweaters.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 9:18 AM
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http://www.ticketmaster.com/Ballet-In-Cleveland-the-Ashley-Bouder-tickets/artist/1989907

Not sure if they are on sale yet. Have a lovely evening!!!


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 9:24 AM
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6. Perhaps you have forgotten that I am a giver of life, bearer of maternal life-force, and like super Gaia.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 9:33 AM
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14: People here speak quite passionately about how wool is a breathable insulated barrier, like a perforated thermos.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 9:34 AM
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If you perforated a thermos, wouldn't it stop working?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 9:35 AM
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And that is the central mystery of wool. Yet it works!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 9:59 AM
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OP: investigate a cooling gel topper topper topper.
It could keep you comfortable for four hours before waking you up in a sweat.

http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/1/3/cooling-pad


Posted by: Econolicious | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 10:09 AM
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12.3: I think they would love that and suspect Cleveland natives around these parts could help me find a babysitter for the baby if I brought all three. It's a 5-hour drive, so no big deal. And the week before Mara's birthday, so it would be easy to make it a special weekend trip. I've really wanted to bring them up to meet the Cleveland-area children and by then I shouldn't even need caseworker permission to travel. I'll definitely look into that!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 10:25 AM
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But holy shit, now that the weather is starting to heat up...

Something something Satan's choad.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 10:31 AM
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Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 10:36 AM
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tl;dr


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 10:37 AM
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12, 21: I saw Bouder dance Firebird a few years ago and she was great. As a young dancer she was known for energy and risk taking as well as some huge falls. I of course don't want to risk breaching the analogy ban, but if we were talking NBA, the words "LeBron" or "Dwyane" would come to mind.


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 10:48 AM
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OT: I'm going in search of the mythical source of the water dripping from the ceiling in the bathroom. We already fixed on leak in the bathroom above the bathroom in question, but there's still more water. So, like the Nile, it has two sources.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 11:02 AM
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26:

A small amount might be condensate from showers, not pulled through the fan--if there is one--fast enough. We've had enough of that over the years to bubble the paint on the ceiling near the fan, which periodically clogs with towel link. If so, check the pull of the fan, and vacuum it out if you don't feel the air moving around it when it's on.


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 11:27 AM
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We just got a big foam topper. Mrs. K-sky is much relieved. I often feel like my head sinks lower than my feet, but I'm getting used to it.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 11:52 AM
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27: It's a showerless bathroom that has the drip in it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 11:54 AM
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28: Lead bed slippers.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 11:54 AM
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25: maybe Thorn could use your observation to tempt Lee to come along!

Would love to see Bouder as the Firebird, excellent vehicle for her.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 12:27 PM
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Waterbed, since 1966.

Too hot or too cold? Turn the little dial.


Posted by: Bob Munck | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 1:06 PM
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I often feel like my head sinks lower than my feet, but I'm getting used to it.

I definitely find it worse for reading it bed, due to no longer being clearly above the book if I'm on my side, propping my head up on my hand, which is how I like to read.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 2:49 PM
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11: Perfectly reasonable. My only complaint is now the bed is a bit too high for sitting on while tying my shoe laces. I also raised the head of the bed about 6 inches. It's good for sinus congestion and indigestion if one is prone to that sort of thing, as us aged and decrepit death panel aspirants increasingly become.


Posted by: biohazard | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 3:13 PM
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There's no way that 32 is true, but I hope that it is. How many Americans currently sleep on a waterbed regularly? 1000?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 3:46 PM
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31: We actually hosted Queer Parent Playgroup tonight and Lee was fantastic with both the parents and children who were there. She taught the 4-year-old girl who's being raised bilingual but mostly Spanish-speaking to say "Go long!' and the little one only wanted to play catch with her. When we went to the zoo the other night, it felt like being a real family. So while I'm assuming I should write her off for ballet or other social travel, perhaps that's not really fair to her.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 4:04 PM
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Here you go. (No experience with the company in question. It just amuses me that they've taken over and "restored" a place I knew as an actual general store to the "original glory" of its maybe late 70s/early 80s transformation into Would-Be Tourist Trap 1.0.)

I'm going in search of the mythical source of the water dripping from the ceiling in the bathroom. We already fixed on leak in the bathroom above the bathroom in question, but there's still more water. So, like the Nile, it has two sources.

In our last house I finally tracked the source of an annoying bathroom leak to a trickle coming down the vent pipe. My brother-in-law had jostled it enough when he was doing some work to break the seal where it went through the roof. Two minutes with a caulking gun and no more leak.


Posted by: DaveLHI | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 8:23 PM
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I'm still completely stumped on the leak. It's not a constant leak. It's only dripped four times of which I'm aware. It obviously dripped many more times before that while the drywall in the ceiling was getting soaked enough that it wouldn't hold more. Still, it is episodic. And relatively short episodes in the ones we've noticed. If it were coming down the vent pipe, I'd expect it to happen only on days when it rains or has rained recently. That's not the case. The only thing that seems to correlate with the leak is running the dishwasher. Which seems absurd because the dishwasher is below the source of the leak. Still, we've run every other water source in the house and not gotten a leak.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 8:43 PM
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37.1: Those cost more than my mattress.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 8:45 PM
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Strange. Could it be that the pipe your dishwasher drains into is partly clogged, so that pumping out the dishwasher is pushing water up a vent or some other drain to where the leak is?


Posted by: DaveLHI | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 8:47 PM
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That's one theory I'm looking at. The second is that the dishwasher isn't mounted right and somehow shakes another pipe. The third is karma is biting me for mocking urple's problem.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 8:51 PM
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Is the the thread where I share that my parents made my childhood bed, and until age 11, I slept on a plank of plywood with a maybe 3-4" thick piece of foam rubber encased in a cloth cover on top for a mattress. We never understood why/how jumping on one's bed was supposed to be a fun activity for kids.


Posted by: Britta | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 9:34 PM
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42 That would be me during my entire childhood and until about seven or eight years ago during visits home. Except it was an Ikea bed with slats and the cloth covered foam rubber was an Ikea mattress. Before that in the States it was something similar. I still dislike spring mattresses and sleep on a futon mattress on a slat bedframe. Foam, futon, or if you can afford it, latex, is the way to go. Also, people who sleep on pillows are weird. They're meant for reading or lying and thinking before deciding it's time for sleep and then you toss the thing to the side.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 11:37 PM
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people who sleep on pillows are weird

I take it you don't sleep on your side.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-27-14 11:41 PM
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I sleep on my side or stomach. The only time I sleep on my back is if I've got a stuffed up nose or something. That's also the only time I sleep on a pillow.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 4:08 AM
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I've saved this page in order to come back to go through it again. I feel you've made a few interesting points that I accept and your writing skills are flawless.


Posted by: Weekend Getaways around Bangalore | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 4:10 AM
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Spaaaam!


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 4:35 AM
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Geographically challenged spam at that. I'm not clicking on the link but I'm pretty sure that Bangalore isn't located in the Himalayas between Nepal and Pakistan.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 4:45 AM
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Speaking of spam, does anyone else get spam for wax. This morning, I found this message (not edited or abridged).

Dear Sir, We specially manufacture and export all kinds of Paraffin wax. If you need,please contact me. Best regards,

Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 5:43 AM
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I've saved this page in order to come back to go through it again. I feel you've made a few interesting points that I accept and your writing skills are flawless.

I refuse to believe this is spam and will take the compliment as directed towards me, thank you very much. As I like to say, "my writing: flawless as a baby's bottom"


Posted by: Britta | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 5:47 AM
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Your writing is flawless but very high maintenance?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 5:51 AM
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When poop comes out of it, sometimes it's yellow.


Posted by: Beefo Meaty | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 5:55 AM
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Inside of a colon, it's too dark to see what color the poop is.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 5:57 AM
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50: maybe the parents here can chime in, but babies' bottoms seem to have one fairly substantial flaw at least compared to older ones, i.e. complete inability to control flow rate and timing.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 6:08 AM
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49: maybe they've noticed your love of cob and think you might be interested in vintage lighting.


Posted by: Annelid Gustator | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 6:08 AM
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If they're selling candles, why not come out and say so?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 6:10 AM
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Shame, I guess.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 6:12 AM
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re: 52

Or green. Or containing identifiable foodstuffs.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 6:19 AM
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Does anyone else keep reading the title of the OP as "Mattress torpor"? Just get yourself some of that, Heebie, and you won't have any more problems with your topper.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 6:22 AM
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58: Given enough time, most colors of the rainbow will appear. Especially if they eat crayons.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 6:24 AM
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Given the amount of dye in some frosting, you can get some really vivid colors after a birthday party. My favorite was the one that looked like the blue rocks in an aquarium.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 6:26 AM
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My first thought on see that one was to go to the ER. Then I remembered the cake.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 6:27 AM
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I'm worried about getting kicked out of Crossfit if I tell them I'm pregnant. Nationwide, tons of pregnant women do crossfit, because of the whole "we're mavericks and who says we can't!" ethos. There's tons of stuff online about how to modify stuff for each trimester.

But in Heebie U Town, I more or less was told I'd get kicked out if I were pregnant (pre-Ace). Now I go to a different, in Heebie Home town, but it's run by a serious dude-bro who is probably in his late 20s, and I just am not sure what they'll do.

Also we don't have a consistent trainer at the time slot I go to, so there's often someone who doesn't know me and wouldn't necessarily be super helpful anyway.

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Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 6:30 AM
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I'd missed this announcement. Congratulations.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 6:31 AM
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Oh. Yes. I buried it in a long thread a few weeks ago. Thanks!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 6:32 AM
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I can only imagine what kind of bizarre cranial anatomy teraz possesses, such that he only uses a pillow when NOT lying on his side.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 6:33 AM
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I missed it, too. Congratulations. 4!


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 6:34 AM
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60: didn't Nosflow once detail in great delight a scheme for shitting the colours of the American flag?


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 7:03 AM
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60: didn't Nosflow once detail in great delight a scheme for shitting the colours of the American flag?

beets, blue raspberry slurpies, and... ?

what makes poop white?

If you ate white corn with the slurpie, you could get a good approximation of the star-spangled part.


Posted by: Britta | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 7:07 AM
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Or containing identifiable foodstuffs.

Or containing identifiable NON-foodstuffs. (Generally hama/perler beads here.)

And yes, congrats heebie, I did read it on your other blog but was too lazy to comment there and wasn't sure if you had mentioned it here.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 7:09 AM
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White = calcium. Eat bones.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 7:11 AM
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You could look up Salvador Dali's notes if you want to figure out how to get white shit.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 7:11 AM
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Wouldn't it be hard to figure out when to stop wiping if you have white shit?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 7:15 AM
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what makes poop white?

I once ate nothing but almonds for three days straight and ended up pooping a lightish beige. Light enough to pass for a dirty white. Scared the shit heck out of me. I thought I had some horrible disease until I made the almond connection.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 7:19 AM
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the almond connection

Whoever is writing the Robert Ludlum novels isn't even trying now.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 7:21 AM
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Some day you'll find it
The almond connection
The slurpies, the beets and me.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 7:42 AM
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76. That was my first thought, but I couldn't figure what to do with the third line.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 7:45 AM
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69.2: Being a bird?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 7:53 AM
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what makes poop white?

Excessive anal bleaching?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 8:10 AM
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78 makes me wonder, one, if Pleistoscene Earth was covered with giant white mounds of dinosaur shit and, two, if particle physics has anything to tell us about this.


Posted by: Beefo Meaty | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 8:21 AM
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80: Good question. I'm going to ask about the white shit the next time I'm at the museum.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 8:26 AM
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what makes poop white?

Advanced liver disease. Drink a quart of vodka with every meal and you'll be pooping white in no time. And then you'll die.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 8:27 AM
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The white bird droppings are because feces is combined with uric acid. Birds don't urinate in liquid form.


Posted by: Cryptic bned | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 8:43 AM
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Were dinosaurs plumbed the same way?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 8:46 AM
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Today's Doonesbury is one of the all-time classics, from the secret bombing of Cambodia.

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Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 8:46 AM
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Were dinosaurs plumbed the same way?

Oh goody, an excuse to link to William Buckland's coprolite table.

The real answer is we we don't actually know for sure, because soft tissues don't fossilise well, but we think so and have good reason to.


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I was expecting a table of the sort with various bits of information arranged in row and columns.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 10:58 AM
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Congratulations heebie, and in celebration 2 stories:

- friend nursing her firstborn is stricken with terror when infant pees deep crimson, until remembers through sleep deprived fog the previous night's feast of beets.

- friend currently about 4-5 months pregnant, attending long time yoga class overwhelmingly gay male in demographics, this one I'm just waiting for the takes of incredulity when she goes upside down at 8 months.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 11:01 AM
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banal response to the OP, but this blanket has been helpful for me and the Dwarf Lord; he's a furnace, I'm not.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 12:07 PM
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@35:

How many Americans currently sleep on a waterbed regularly? 1000?
I don't know; we don't have a national organization or weekly meetings (just the secret handshake). It's difficult to get hard-sided numbers.

However, give "waterbed" to The Google and you get a fair-sized list of vendors, all of whom must have some customers. And there were half a million of us at Woodstock.

Btw, I sleep year around with two thick down comforters covering me head-to-toe. Filtered, humidified air is supplied by a CPAP. I'm a single tank of O2 away from being in Michael Jackson's isolation chamber.


Posted by: Bob Munck | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 12:37 PM
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89: In your estimation, would it work if I slept ON it? I need something to separate me from the foam.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 2:02 PM
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Nothing comes between me and my foam.


Posted by: Opinionated Brooke Shields | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 2:04 PM
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91: Dunno, haven't tried it; we do have a latex mattress, though, and the Dwarf Lord used to wake up in a puddle and hasn't under this blanket (except when I had a fever).


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 2:20 PM
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but! this blanket is only useful when at least one party in bed is too cool (eleven months of the year for me in Seattle). But your original question was about real summers. So, sorry, not relevant!


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 2:23 PM
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My dad still sleeps on a waterbed. Never a hippie.

Birds don't pee because flying with a bladder full of liquid is pretty inefficient. Ground-based dinosaurs wouldn't have had any particular reason to be plumbed that way.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 2:28 PM
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Why can't they just go before takeoff like those of us who fear being sucked into the airline toilet.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 2:32 PM
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But your original question was about real summers.

It's 95° out right now. I loathe where I live. Not always.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 2:54 PM
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Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 2:55 PM
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Buck's actually in Austin right now, and when I looked up the weather for him yesterday I thought the internet had to be kidding.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 2:55 PM
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I think yesterday and today are both record-setting, fwiw.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 3:00 PM
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60: yes, white corn kernels. But the blue element was to be whole blueberries.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 3:42 PM
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69 not 60.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 3:43 PM
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What sort of dark magic is that blanket in 89?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 4:22 PM
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Heebie, apparently all sorts of bedding is made with that material. Or you could get your whole body botoxed; pretty sure that stops sweating.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 4:31 PM
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Here's a mattress pad. I think I mentioned that my older boy is also a profuse night sweat-machine. Also with the pertussive emesis. Any other body malfunctions coming down the pike that I should know about? (He doesn't have boobs.)


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 4:34 PM
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Yet.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 4:40 PM
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I need something to separate me from the foam.

Like flannel pajamas?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 4:41 PM
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Dude, I had "yet" in there, but I guess I took it out. Never edit! Trust your instincts.

Another retailer of that Outlast fabric. Where's my commission?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 4:42 PM
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60: yes, white corn kernels. But the blue element was to be whole blueberries.

how did you get the white stripes?


Posted by: Britta | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 6:45 PM
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how did you get the white stripes?

Play a better band's album through crappy speakers.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 7:20 PM
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We had a brief snow squall mid-morning today.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 11:13 PM
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Posted by: Abrahamlincoln | Link to this comment | 06-30-14 7:31 PM
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Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06-30-14 7:33 PM
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People will attribute any old quote to Lincoln.


Posted by: Stephen Douglas | Link to this comment | 06-30-14 7:41 PM
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