Re: Corollary: Play Ball Iff There's Grass

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So after asking everyone for recs on who to follow on Twitter you decided to pick Kobe? Can't say I disapprove but interesting choice #mamba.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 6:53 AM
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It was retweeted into my feed, if you know what I mean.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 6:55 AM
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Also, threadjack: sexist.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 6:56 AM
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At least the tweet named a sponsor.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 6:59 AM
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It won't be addressed until one of the players gets an MDR infection from one of those burns.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 7:12 AM
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But gross injuries is so not my beat!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 7:21 AM
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Also we've had out of town guests, so I've been a bit absentee.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 7:22 AM
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Those sores do look like something that could go gangrene.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 7:25 AM
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Although what fraction of a professional female soccer player's games are going to be in the world cup? 2%? And I gather that turf is the standard for the rest of women's soccer games (I've seen 3, all on turf.) So the marginal amount of injuries in minimal, is the argument that they won't play as hard in these games as they might be able to on grass?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 7:27 AM
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The argument is that it would be considered sacrilege to have the men's World Cup on artificial turf. For whatever reasons. Yet those reasons apparently don't apply to women.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 7:33 AM
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Men are pussies.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 7:33 AM
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So if it's about R-E-S-P-E-C-T and not about injuries Kobe's just posting some nasty legs for no particular reason.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 8:10 AM
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My understanding is that if any country other than Canada and Zimbabwe had applied to host the Women's World Cup, it wouldn't be on turf.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 8:43 AM
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How many countries are there other than Canada and Zimbabwe?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 8:47 AM
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Equatorial Guinea hosted the Women's African Cup of Nations a couple years ago -- they might be a better option.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 8:56 AM
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12: Presumably you are acting like an idiot on purpose towards some rhetorical purpose that I can't grasp.

So here's the simple two-step argument.

1) As a general rule it is not deemed appropriate for high-level soccer to be played on artificial turf. Undoubtedly for a variety of reasons, some maybe good, some maybe stupid. The nature of injuries are certainly a big part of that*,

2) This general rule is clearly being applied differently to the men and women's game. And that is the core problem.

The fact that Kobe chooses to support #2 by invoking some of the reasoning for #1 should hardly be surprising or difficult to grasp.

*The injury argument might or might not stand up to strict scrutiny. Doesn't matter.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 9:05 AM
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Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 9:15 AM
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Sexist threadjackers abound.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 9:18 AM
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Foodie culture is the ne plus ultra of anti-egalitarianism.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 9:20 AM
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Playing anything on turf sucks, full stop.

My expertise stems from playing one touch football game a year on a high school field that used to be grass and is now turf, so no one can argue with me.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 9:27 AM
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Kobe supports you on twitter.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 9:32 AM
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20: I talked to a couple of organizers from the people you were up here working with. Are there a whole bunch of them or what?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 9:40 AM
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As a general rule it is not deemed appropriate for high-level soccer to be played on artificial turf.

Not entirely true. All of the Pacific Northwest MLS teams play on turf. (Cue "I thought you said 'high-level'" jokes.) So do a number of teams in Europe, although none in the top 4 leagues. It's totally true that you'd never see a men's WC game played on turf, though.

As a rec player I'll take turf over grass any day of the week. The latest-generation stuff is vastly better than '80s-style carpet-over-concrete, and every grass field I've ever played on has been full of gopher holes and other hazards. Plus they turn into quagmires if it rains at all.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 9:57 AM
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Yes, unless the grass field is a very good one, modern artificial turf (generally with the little rubber pieces you can see popping up form the surface) is better.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 9:59 AM
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Our local rec soccer league certainly considers the turf to be the nicer surface for those reasons.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 10:01 AM
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Those little rubber pieces are all over in our basement. Pain in the ass to sweep or vacuum.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 10:02 AM
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25: Yes, the field up at Schenley Oval used to be a potholed mess, much better now that it is turf.

Youth soccer on the older hard, flat stuff was a mess. Both the injuries and the kids had trouble keeping up with the ball. Lots and lots of throw-ins.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 10:13 AM
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The turf is sort of a patched mess now.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 10:15 AM
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Ah, too bad. It has probably been 10 years since I was up there.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 10:17 AM
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We're overusing "mess" as a tribute to Lionel Messi.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 10:21 AM
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All of the Pacific Northwest MLS teams play on turf.

And the local one seems to suffer a high rate of injuries.

"In general, I feel like grass is better to play on," Zizzo said. "I think that would be the preference of around 99 percent of the players."
But I guess we have to like it, since the city just agreed to cough up millions to pay for re-turfing.

In other news of women/girls in sports, we heart Mo'ne Davis.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 10:22 AM
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Stadiums in Equatorial Guinea are primarily known for hosting massacres of political opponents to the sounds of bands playing "Those Were The Days." So they could try that.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 10:25 AM
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OT, totally OT, but on the topic of sexism, I just saw this via a friend of a friend in FB (I have changed the names but kept them in the same vein):

"Weston's conversation tonight while eating dinner tonight, as he was feeding Missouri bites of his food...

W: I like being a big brother because it's fun

Me: What makes it fun?

W: I get to play and wrestle with him. You can't wrestle with little girls

Dad: Why can't you?

W: because they are princesses and you have to treat them gentle and nice.

Yes he actually hears me! He's working on it!"

Argggghjhu! Don't deliberately teach your children this! Even if darling W has been roughing up girls on the playground, or whatever prompted this.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 10:28 AM
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Totally OT as well, but charming -- Allie Brosh (of Hyperbole and a Half) geeking out on Magic the Gathering.

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Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 10:32 AM
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Should note that the soldiers doing the massacre were also wearing Santa suits. Macias Nguema is really the #1 underrated genocidal 20th century dictator. He may actually have been the most crazy -- changing the national motto to "There is no God but Macias Nguema" was also a nice touch.

Not off topic because someone mentioned Equitorial Guinea.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 10:34 AM
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There's too much solid gold in that wiki article to quote selectively. Banning the word "intellectual." Literally carrying the money in the central bank to his house. Respect. Too bad about all the murder.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 10:43 AM
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33: Darling W has been cutting out the eyes of pictures of women and digging a 15 foot deep pit in the basement.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 10:47 AM
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37: I did wonder about something like that.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 10:51 AM
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35: we still havent taken that country over. And we had such great plans!


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 11:22 AM
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35: Definitely agree.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 1:43 PM
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For one of my Spanish classes in high school we had to do a report on a Spanish-speaking country, so of course I chose Equatorial Guinea. Researching it was fascinating.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 1:49 PM
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Fwiw, hybrid grass/artificial pitched _are_ used at the top level. No pure artificial, though.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 3:37 PM
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Maybe they need to stop playing chess on artificial surfaces.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-16-14 4:34 PM
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I have great sympathy for the "World Cup turf is sexism" camp. An easy answer might be to play the Women's World Cup in the men's venues the year after. So the 2015 WWC would be in Brazil, not Canada, using the stadiums of the 2014 WC. Of course this could open up charges by some that the WWC is just an appendage to the men's tournament, and there might be not-so-flattering comparisons re attendance and media coverage, but it would get more use out of these world-class facilities as well as #ProtectTheAthlete and #Mole.


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 08-17-14 7:41 AM
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I kinda feel that "playing the world cup in Qatar" might make the women reconsider that deal.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 08-17-14 8:01 AM
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I feel a little like Ogged is trying to backslide to his Rachael Wacholder-stalking ways, here. I mean it is a short hop from Syd's legs to her rear, and one I'm sure has been taken in his mind, if not his posts.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 08-17-14 2:56 PM
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