My sister and her husband get a lot of this. He likes the For Exposure Twitter feed, which compiles artist submissions. Example: "I am slightly perplexed as one would have thought the networking opportunities and publicity would more than compensate for payment."
There's also the classic response by a musician to similar requests (Stanley might have linked to that earlier, I don't remember).
I heard on the radio the other day that the NFL is asking the performers to pay to play in the Superbowl halftime show. The ESPN radio guys were very negative about this.
A different, but also important, art fight. Because female superheroes also have skeletons and internal organs.
Madonna is fighting Floyd Mayweather? She's gonna get wrecked.
Are you all not clicking through? The submitted artwork makes me laugh and laugh.
Yes. Look at the art. It's pretty great.
2, 3: A certain person recently, as a favor to said person's friends, played a 3-hour recording session for a certain famous movie star's sibling's* film-scoring class, for $20. They didn't even get lunch. A certain person soon thereafter visited the musicians' union HQ and ratted on the movie star's sibling, who happens to be a union signatory, but I predict nothing will happen; the union is -- how do you say? ah, yes -- toothless.
* Movie star and sibling also have a band.
Haven't seen Gielgud down the labour exchange, after all.
GRRRR. Not only art-making but arts journalism now comes with no payment. My latest (and perhaps last) piece turned out to be for free, to my surprise and dismay, but it did get me memorably savaged by a semi-famous composer.
Anybody have anything they need edited?
What a bunch of ignorant artists. There are legions of Star Trek fans who will make movies at home for free. People do art and music as a hobby anyway. What's the problem?
I mean jeez haven't they even heard of the gifting economy? Probably some of those fans on Showtime will just chip in and pay them if they like the art.
I think Halford has it right. This is just the sort of exploitation you'd expect to see in a profit driven cultural enterprise, and it's really only solvable if we return to a more natural system in which all cultural works are in the public domain and easily accessible through bittorrent and streaming video websites. Information wants to be free!
I thought all people who create things sign them over to corporations who then charge people for access and pay nothing to the creator.
This thread is just going to be trolling and counter trolling for hundreds of comments, isn't it?
It's right there in the title.
20: why should this thread be any different from all the others?
Also I am disappointed to not find the phrase "creators of culture" on this page.
This thread makes me feel better about never giving the "suggested donation" at art museums.
24: You're as bad as these boxing promoters.
22: Because on every thread, including this thread, we repeat the call that echoed through the antechambers of Pharaoh's palace: Let my IP go! But on this thread, we chime in and add: Let all IP go!
Wow, commenting while lying down sucks ergonomically.
Maximalist positions, the worst? Or the worst ever?
What we should really worry about are the burdensome federal regulations that prevent talented artists like Thomas Kincaid from earning a living by distributing his work for free on the internet. Richard Dawkins was right to say that ideally we'd let the market sort out these kinds of social problems and incentivize hard working job creators and academic administrators to take steps to solve these kinds of problems. But at the very least we need to delegate more power to local government in order to free decent, hard working police officers from the legal technicalities that prevent them from forcing the bicycle commuters selfishly taking up space on the roads to use more mechanically efficient recumbent bicycles.
30 is the best.
I may be a little drunk.
25: I figure that the suggestion is for those who enjoy art and that people who don't enjoy art but got dragged there should get in free.
Someday, when the Museum of the One-Liner is opened, Moby will happily pay the suggested donation.
30: Ultimately, what we need to hone in on is whether, given that birds are not dinosaurs, and IRA members are not terrorists, it is still the case that fashions in the last twenty years have not changed as much as in the preceding twenty years, and what degree of blame for this should be assigned to women who wear makeup.
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So, my Dad's health is truly shitty. My Mom called to tell me that He was just taken to the hospital, because he couldn't speak. His vital signs are stable, so it doesn't look like it's a stroke.
We had a big fight when I tried to talk to him about his alcoholism. He's been really delusional and thinks that I "stole" money from him. He writes letters saying that He knows I'll do the right thing and pay him back.
Complicated story, but the amt of money he things is there is not, and legally thx small sum was mine. And I didn't want to give him money when he got a car against medical advice.
He also removed be as health care proxy and took away the general HIPAA release.
I hate to think that I might never be able to talk to him again-- even to say goodbye.
This is almost as bad as alameida's strpfather's death. Not quite, though. I did get my parents into one of the best non-profit assisted living facilities around here. Which fact and help my father resents.
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Ooof. That is grim, BG. I'm sorry to hear it.
Bostoniangirl, how awful, my sympathy. Good on you for arranging the assisted living.
Yes. I'm very sorry to hear about your father and hope that you can take care of yourself while dealing with this.
35: I'm so sorry your father's health is failing. Your parents are lucky to have your help, even if they can't appreciate it. I hope you can comfort yourself with the fact that you've done everything for them that you could, and you've certainly brought superhuman amounts of kindness, compassion and decency to the task.
35: That's really awful. I know that you've talked about it being a difficult situation for a while and that sound really tough.
You're just a capital human being BG and don't deserve this shit. I'm so sorry.
35: That sucks extremely. Sympathies and condolences.
Not just an ALF but one which accepts a subsidy program.
The trustee of some family trusts thanked me for a message apologizing for some of the difficulties he was experiencing. I offered to provide him with an accounting. He said that he knew I had acted in the most high-minded way possible and that he honored it even if they couldn't.
He was also very clear that he would not give them any money (as opposed to the ALF) to support a move.
My Mom and I will be fine. And she'll stop complaining about the (quite frankly, tasty) food once he's gone. At least there won't be a crisis when he dies. At least She has food available to her and friends to eat it with.
I think Ydnew said it best. Hang in there, BG.
Sorry to hear things are so rough, BG.
Sorry to hear things are so tough right now, BG.
Jeez, I think I just plagiarized Teo's condolence note. Anyway, sorry to hear it, BG.
I'm totally going to hire Halford to sue you.
That sounds vile, BG, but if it's any consolation to be had, you're doing all the right things.
I'm so sorry to hear that BG. Sounds like a horrible situation, good thoughts going your way.
That sounds awful, BG, but at least you know you're doing the right thing.
You're a great daughter, BG. Hope your dad and mom can tell you that themselves.
Sending thoughts that you will be reconciled with your father, BG.
I'm with Ydnew. You've done all you can do do, BG, and tried to do it correctly and honorably. Keep on.
BG, that sounds just awful. You have my sympathy.
Hideous, BG. Hope it gets sorted soon.
Lola Prieta: 6.9
Earthquake just now that freaked me the fuck out: 6.1
Loma Prieta I mean but I guess Lola Prieta is my new drag name.
My god my talent for posting before reading the rest of a thread. Sorry, BG.
At least you didn't get knocked into the ocean.
56: My Mom always does say that she loves me and appreciates me even though she made my Dad her primary health care proxy. (Her sister won't do it.) It's pretty dumb, since he's so sick. I'm still her backup. My Dad, on the other hand, has tried to cut me out of the picture completely.
She always calls asking me to call and saying that she misses me and that they're not mad--right when I get a letter from him saying that I stole from her. But, of course, I'm mad at him.
53: Thank you for the good thoughts. Prayers are welcome too, Halford.
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At least the earthquake did not affect the United States of America. (Map from a BBC breaking News tweet.)
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They "fixed" it in subsequent tweets.
I wasn't sure whether my family would worry and want to be informed I was fine. I decided against sending something preemptively since they should be able to tell nobody was hurt. Nope - one maternal email and one avuncular text.
BG--only reading this now, and I'm so so sorry! I'll write tomorrow...or if I can't find your email will you write me please?
That's how I learned about the Northridge quake. A roommate's mom called early in the morning to say they were OK. Which meant that I now knew there had been a quake, but not how my own family was.
The Napa quake woke us. Long, roll-y.
My in laws in San Leandro slept right through it.
BG, sounds tough. I suppose your dad's damage from the alcoholism makes it hard to break him out of the circular logic of a delusion, especially one that's easier in a weird way than the truth (there's no simple remedy for the true situation). I suppose it's not much comfort to think it's his disease talking. You've done so much to support vulnerable elders despite your own life not being easy - I hope it gets better.
You've done so much to support vulnerable elders despite your own life not being easy - I hope it gets better.
Bears repeating.
72: Sure,al I can write, but my e-mail is right in the comments.
