Re: Terrorism of Yore

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5 Decisive Ways to Wrap Up a Sentence.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 11:15 AM
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Was expect this to be a history of lynching in America.

I have heard about all these incidents, but the Hanafi one does stand out as one you'd expect to be better remembered. Or maybe it's just better for the powers that be for it to be forgotten. A lot of crazy shit happened during the Cold War.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 11:26 AM
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+ing


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 11:26 AM
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shitting?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 11:29 AM
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I laughed.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 11:38 AM
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Oh, yeah. All the time. Like you wouldn't believe.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 11:40 AM
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The Hanafi one is forgotten because it was solved in a boring, competent, liberal sort of way, with talking and huggles and stuff. If there'd been a badass Special Forces mission to take them out, they'd be making movies about it today.

The Puerto Rican ones were the surprise to me.


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 12:08 PM
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We do remember the domestic terrorism somewhat more, e.g., Oklahoma City.

A lot of the more recent violence against government on U.S. soil is caused by right wingers. My uncle was town manager here, when a citizen decided to attack the town hall over a zoning dispute.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 12:08 PM
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I knew the Puerto Rican assasination ones from family lore - my dad came home when he was about 8, summer's day, to find my grandmother (of the travel memoir) burning a bunch of documents in the fireplace, and my grandfather making arrangements with banks in Canada. Some Puerto Rican guys associated with my grandfather had tried to assassinate Eisenhower, and my grandparents knew feds would be coming to interview them, and so they were purging all of their communist documents. They also coached my dad on all the right and wrong answers to give, for his interview.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 12:12 PM
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"I, um, loath, Ike"?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 12:13 PM
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You must play a full-contact, high-explosives version of tiddly-winks. Maybe with manhole covers in a minefield against Brian Leiter and Hillary Clinton?


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 12:15 PM
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"I am loath to admit I like Ike."


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 12:16 PM
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7.1 is right as far as I know. I think maybe MOVE was a bit more violent to start with, but would be very much forgotten except for police's use of an actual bomb.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 12:17 PM
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I think I got the Hanafi thing as an exercise in negotiation class, but it didn't stick around in my mind.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 12:24 PM
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If anything, the list suffers from being too broad. There's three crazy terrorist or cultist stories, but then two war stories that would be totally normal war stories if the U.S. was actually in the wars in question, the U.S.S. Liberty and the Black Tom bombing. Interestingly weird, but the Liberty thing isn't terrorism the way the term is generally used and even the Black Tom bombing is borderline. (Germany hadn't declared war on the US at the time, but it actually was people working on behalf of a state, related to a conventional war... if that's terrorism, then so is what we're doing right now about ISIS.)

I'm sure they could have found three more stories like Liberty or Black Tom for an even "5 Wars America REALLY Shouldn't Have Been Involved in," and then made a list of 10 or, hell, 20 unambiguous terrorist attacks that people have forgotten about now.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 12:54 PM
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15.last: For example, this one.


Posted by: Dave W. | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 1:11 PM
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15.last: For example, this one.


Posted by: Dave W. | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 1:12 PM
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Weird double post there - it wasn't showing up at all on refresh, then suddenly showed up twice after clicking post.


Posted by: Dave W. | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 1:14 PM
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The Hanafi incident is a background narrative in Joni Mitchell's song "Otis and Marlena", on Don Juan's Reckless Daughter


Posted by: joel hanes | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 1:34 PM
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16/17: Crikey.


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 1:37 PM
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I had already clicked on the Link in 16/17 at some point since I moved to be new office (August). Now I'm wondering why I had clicked on it before and how I forgot it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 1:40 PM
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16-17: Sure, that's one. Some more terrorists that most modern Americans would probably never think of: the Jewish Defense League, anarchists, a bioterrorist cult, and people mad about their electric bill.

Well, that last one still seems pretty relevant.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 1:41 PM
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Pinochet had a Chilean dissident car bombed not far from where I grew up.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 2:02 PM
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My grandfather met my grandmother through participation in a terrorist cell, part of Partido ABC (can't find a decent English link). Then they found 5 US $ after being exiled.


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 2:12 PM
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21: It has come up here before at least once. (For instance).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 2:55 PM
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You know, it occurs to me that a movie about the Hanafi incident -- complete with a team of Muslim scholars sent in to talk down a group of terrorists -- would actually be a pretty cool thing to see in our day and age. A useful reminder, as it were. There would also be knock-on entertainment from watching FauxNews and the Tea Party completely lose their shit over the existence of said film.


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 9:35 PM
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I would like to sign up for your kickstarted.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 9:36 PM
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-d+r


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10- 3-14 9:36 PM
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Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10- 4-14 11:54 AM
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22: Actually, it was b/c he believed he had been disabled due to a workplace injury at Con Edison, and unfairly denied compensation.


Posted by: Ile | Link to this comment | 10- 5-14 7:50 PM
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You know, it occurs to me that a movie about the Hanafi incident -- complete with a team of Muslim scholars sent in to talk down a group of terrorists -- would actually be a pretty cool thing to see in our day and age.

A movie about how the Nation of Islam are radical Muslim terrorists. I'm sure that would go down well and not be controversial or inflammatory in the least.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 1:28 AM
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Speaking of things of yore, here's today's hilarious British anachronism, as prompted by the discovery of the following in tomorrow's court listings:

The Annual Rendering of the Quit Rents Services to the Crown by the Corporation of the City of London

So, apparently, every year the City of London pays for two bits of land, one in Shropshire(!) and one in London on the fantastically named Tweezers Alley. For these plots they pay: one blunt knife, one sharp knife, six horseshoes and 61 nails. They also pay £11 for part Southwark, in 5 shilling coins.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 8:04 AM
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Link here, for the curious.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 8:05 AM
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hilarious British anachronism

This reminds me, which livery company would you recommend joining? I've had my eye on Woolmen and Cordwainers.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 8:07 AM
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Can't recommend it, exactly, but my dad is a liveryman in the Worshipful Company of International Bankers.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 10:01 AM
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six horseshoes and 61 nails.

Are the nails for the horseshoes, and if so why isn't it a number divisible by six?

Also, wouldn't you expect horseshoes ordinarily to be sold or given in groups of four?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 10:06 AM
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wouldn't you expect horseshoes ordinarily to be sold or given in groups of four?

Most of the time you only need one shoe, because horses only cast one shoe at a time. The (four) shoes you put on a horse at once when you shoe it for the first time are a small share of its total lifetime shoe requirement.
And you don't have to put new shoes on the other three hooves as well just because you've put a new shoe on the hoof it's cast one from. It's not like the horse will be off balance with one new shoe and three old ones and start veering off to one side.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 10:16 AM
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Are the nails for the horseshoes, and if so why isn't it a number divisible by six?

My bet would be that this is a typo (or rather a copyo. A scribo?) and it used to be six nails, or sixty nails, or something like that.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 10:17 AM
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The (four) shoes you put on a horse at once

By "at once" I mean "in one session". You still shoe the horse one hoof at a time. You don't hoist it up into the air with a derrick and have four smiths dash in and start shoeing all four hooves simultaneously. This isn't Formula One, for heaven's sake.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 10:20 AM
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I thought that all shoes were often replaced at one go because the growth of the hooves and the need to trim them required periodic reshoding.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 10:21 AM
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I'm also not sure that 'reshoding" is a word.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 10:24 AM
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31: There's that. But since such a movie would not be a shoot 'em up in which the terrorists represent Demonic Inhuman Evil, that might very well be to the good.

38: It seems to be specifically sixty-and-one horseshoe nails. Presumably stemming from a random oddity in the original "order" that the custom came from?


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 10:25 AM
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42: maybe the mediaeval City of London, wiser than IKEA, reckoned on you always losing a nail while you were shoeing, and so thoughtfully included a spare. Even so, ten nails per shoe seems excessive.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 10:29 AM
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Modern norm seems to be eight nails per shoe, which makes ten sound not that strange.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 10:31 AM
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40: I believe they take the shoes off, trim the hoof, then put the shoe back on. You don't need new shoes each time.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 10:32 AM
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44: good point. Maybe not then.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 10:34 AM
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From a guy who wrote a novel called "The Sixty-One Nails" and researched the background:


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 10:46 AM
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Aargh, html fail. Quote should be:

In 1237, it was commuted by Emma of Tewkesbury from eighteen pennies to six horse-shoes and sixty-one nails, which may have been commensurate with the value of the original rent. What is unusual is that the same horse-shoes and the same nails are used every year, making these the oldest horse-shoes in existence in England.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 10:47 AM
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47: ah, well done the internet!


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 10:53 AM
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Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 10:59 AM
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45: You have to rotate from front to back.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 11:01 AM
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Anyway, I think with iron shoes, they usually use new shoes each time.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 11:07 AM
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Still odd, though, that 6X + 61Y would = 18 pennies. Even if you stipulate some uneven number of nails per penny, I'm still not sure how you'd get to 61.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 10- 6-14 11:10 AM
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