Re: UnfoggedCon After-Action Report

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Oh great, now the Pretty Little Liars theme song is stuck in my head.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 4:19 PM
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Meekins is Dick Cheney.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 4:28 PM
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YOU TAKE THAT BACK MISTER SMEARCASE


Posted by: Meekins | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 4:37 PM
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Meekins is Leomund, and the undisclosed location is his Tiny Hut.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 4:47 PM
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Dick Cheney is people!

/shows self out


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 4:48 PM
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So which one of you mentioned Mutombo?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 4:50 PM
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Oh Christ, the names are below the comments here. I was supposed to be yelling at snarkout. I am bad at Unfogged.


Posted by: Meekins | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 4:52 PM
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Meekins is Dikembe Mutombo.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 4:53 PM
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I had no idea Meekins could post. Why aren't you on the sidebar then? I'm missing something, I guess.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 5:07 PM
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Putting me on the sidebar would be an insult to a whole lot of hardworking showbiz folks.

I'm just glad my login still worked.


Posted by: Meekins | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 5:10 PM
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Witt tells her side in 46.3 of the Panhandlers thread.


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 5:14 PM
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Well-played, Todd. And God bless.


Posted by: Meekins | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 5:26 PM
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The first Meekins post was about iced tea, and the second was about Meekins. I fear that a third may dilute the Meekins brand.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 5:46 PM
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"Meekins" is an anagram for "Mine SEK" -- coincidence, or something more sinister?


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 5:51 PM
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If you're going for sinister I think you meant, "Mein SEK."


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 6:06 PM
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Or "skin mee".


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 6:08 PM
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Or "Me Nikes", as in "Feck's sake, whair's me Nikes?"


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 6:10 PM
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I'm glad this post is short on details because now I'll assume that it came up when Meekins volunteered, "I'm a front page poster at an eclectic web magazine."


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 6:16 PM
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ogged: LOLFRIRL.

That's, uh, not how it happened though. Perhaps Witt will give (the rest of) her side of the story at some point.


Posted by: Meekins | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 6:18 PM
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"Dear blog reader I never thought anything like this would happen to me ..."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 6:24 PM
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"This masked orgy reminds me of an online community where I'm also pseudonymous. Excuse me, can I wipe that off of you?"


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 6:35 PM
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This masked orgy reminds me of an online community where I'm also pseudonymous.

Appropriate for Dick Cheney, Dikembe Mutombo, or Leomund (but more appropriate for Bibgy, I'll grant).


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 7:13 PM
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Tenser's Floating Sex Party.


Posted by: Meekins | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 7:27 PM
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Nystul's Radiant Baton.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 7:37 PM
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19: I most certainly will not violate the sanctity of off-blog communication, thank you very much.

Also, I'm a terrible liar, and would never remember to keep my story straight in the future. The only way to ensure I don't blow Meekins' cover is to not mention Meekins!

Except to say that Meekins' reaction when I met him/her/it was similar in type (though not in specifics) to John Emerson's lo these many years ago at my first Unfogged meetup. Dig through the archives for that!


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 7:43 PM
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I forgot to say that 11 was well-played indeed.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 7:44 PM
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19: I most certainly will not violate the sanctity of off-blog communication, thank you very much.

Is it a violation if you're all but invited to do so?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 8:41 PM
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Yes.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 9:50 PM
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It's the principle that matters.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-18-15 9:55 PM
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"This masked orgy reminds me of an online community where I'm also pseudonymous."

No doubt answered by, "this would be so much hotter if we held it in a sex grotto."


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 2:32 AM
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Forgot the italics in 30.1


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 2:37 AM
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Dick Cheney is people!

Assumes facts not in evidence.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 2:52 AM
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You are what you eat.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 3:22 AM
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On a non-unfogged but blogular note: I have....another identity, elsewhere. Under which I am chatty and prolific but not actually famous.

About a year ago, I was at a Ferguson-related march and was chatting with a fellow that I know slightly from around town. I made a comment that I totally can't remember now and he asked me if I was [my other identity]. It turned out that he had been googling something about which I'd written and I'd used the same (comparatively unremarkable or I think I'd remember it) turn of phrase in both our conversation and the comment, and he'd had an inspiration. It was weird. I mean, I know the guy, it wasn't weird because of who he was. But the world is way too small, man.


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 6:48 AM
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The only way to ensure I don't blow Meekins

Man, get a few drinks in Witt and a whole new side of her surfaces.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 7:44 AM
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34: The world is very small. A couple years ago I discovered that a (now former) coworker was actually somebody fairly prominent in a video gaming community I was in in the 90's. He had used a mild pseudonym with his real but uncommon last name; it didn't click until after I worked with him for over a year and found out he listened to the same topical podcast that I listen to. It's not like what I do, or what he does, are related to this at all.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 7:51 AM
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I haven't been around much so I don't know who this Meekins is, but they seem kind of awesome.


Posted by: dagger aleph | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 7:54 AM
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Meekins posts every 2 years or so. I think it's an inside joke for a small number of people.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 7:57 AM
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36: I got busted by real life friends here for a comment at the very bottom of a three-hundred comment thread about schools; I had said something blunter than I should have about their navigation of the NYC public school system. But we'd never talked about blogging or anything of the sort, they just ended up here on a link (not to the specific comment or anything) from Apt11D and recognized me from identifying information in the comments.

They were super pissed.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 8:26 AM
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I KNOW M33KINZ SECRET IDENTITAY. #nymblebrag


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 8:27 AM
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39 Are you still friends?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 8:28 AM
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@Cryptic ned: That's about right.


Posted by: Meekins | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 8:29 AM
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39: Yeah, but there was an extremely upset phone call that closed with their saying "I think it's best if we never mention the Internet again." Or something pretty close to that.

Works for me, but tense.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 8:34 AM
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I was so clueless, I was once at a party with Alameida, who was wearing a necklace that said Alameida on it, and had no idea why she had a necklace that said Alameida on it.

The party was an UnfoggedCon.


Posted by: Meekins | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 8:40 AM
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39 is some story. Hey, quit reading, you weirdos!


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 8:59 AM
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It was ages and ages ago -- maybe the first year or so I was blogging?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 9:00 AM
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I guess there was more novelty to an acquaintance writing online then.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 9:06 AM
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I think it's best if we never mention the Internet again

I hate to flog the new-mouseover dead horse, but, um, new mouseover.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 9:06 AM
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I can't believe it took 12 hours and 1 minute for someone to grab the low-hanging fruit. Standards are really slipping around here, y'all. Thank goodness for apo.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 9:26 AM
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I remember the story in 39!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 9:27 AM
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dagger aleph!


Posted by: My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 9:33 AM
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quick time-sensitive OT bleg:

Who gets the gutter credit in an image in a newspaper article? The person who made the image or the person who owns the image? If I made the image, should I ask to be credited?


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 9:47 AM
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For further context: the image is a visualization of data in an experiment. I'm not PI, but I am the person doing the analyses, and I made the image.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 9:50 AM
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There's an IP laywer around here who knows better than I do, but I'm almost certain that it's the maker of the image. There was a case a few years ago in which the removal of the photographer's credit in a (newspaper? magazine?) was ruled to be a violation of the DMCA.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 9:55 AM
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grab the low-hanging fruit

Ouch.


Posted by: Meekins | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 10:04 AM
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Ok, now we know that Meekins is an old man.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 10:20 AM
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On a non-unfogged but blogular note: I have....another identity, elsewhere. Under which I am chatty and prolific but not actually famous.

This isn't the other, bluer, place where you comment under the same pseud, is it?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 10:23 AM
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Not sure I understand the situation, but generally if you made the image you "own" it (though I'm not sure that what you're talking about would be copyrightable. Newspaper crediting is more a matter of convention and union rules than law, but I believe common practice would be to give you the credit, if I understand the situation correctly.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 10:27 AM
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well, the moment has passed, but it looks like I'm not going to get credited even though I made it. harrumph. I mean, it's not like gutter credits are what I live for, but it's just a small annoying reminder of the way of the world that this photo editor who knows very well I made it -- I customized it for her needs! -- is all, hey, how should we credit your boss?


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 10:28 AM
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Both is good. For example, Department of the Navy photo / CPO Tia photographer.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 10:30 AM
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It's going to go Tia's Boss/Tia's U, apparently.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 10:31 AM
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Whether and exactly to what extent graphic representations of underlying factual data are copyrightable or otherwise protectible is a really interesting legal question, and one that is likely to become more and more important as big data becomes more and more of a commercial thing.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 10:33 AM
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I don't think Tia was asking a question about copyright or "ownership" etc., just who deserves to be credited for the image in a newspaper article? It's a question of conventions and ethics, not a legal question.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 10:36 AM
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That's true.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 10:37 AM
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I always credit for images, even if they're trivial. As in, every image I use that someone made, I include "Image courtesy of John Smith." I am basically the only person I know who does this, though. I think you should have been credited.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 10:44 AM
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It seems that the Gawker union is kind of weak.

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Posted by: | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 10:50 AM
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That was me.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 11:04 AM
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I'll stop bitching in one sec, I promise: now the photo editor and my boss are both saying that I and my images are amazing in email (which is ridiculous and overblown), but the photo editor is also saying, "[Tia's boss], should we say that the images are from or by you?" I've literally exchanged dozens of emails with this woman over the past couple days over the making of these images.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 11:32 AM
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Joke's on you, Tia, because I am your boss IRL.


Posted by: Meekins | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 7:07 PM
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Meekins posts every 2 years or so. I think it's an inside joke for a small number of people.

Stras was right.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 10:57 PM
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Credit: Thomas Meekins


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-19-15 11:00 PM
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Topically, I was hiking yesterday and met the blogger whose site I had used for planning the hike. He had a bunch of video equipment and when I asked about it he mentioned his blog.

Off topic, I can't hike 16 miles a day for two days in a row. I had a pronounced limp that didn't go away from about mile 14 on the first day. I stopped very early on the second.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 7:27 AM
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You can't do it this weekend. Doesn't mean you can't do it generally.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 7:38 AM
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Here is a image credit I just came across on Wikipedia:

Library in 1610 (print by Woudanus)

Clearly the sort of person who would go around with their arse hanging out and painted blue.

Having had several jobs now where I've been responsible for typing in photo credits, I can say that I really wish there were more universally acknowledged standards for that process. You get stuff from some people (mostly larger organizations) where they are hyper paranoid about having EXACT wording and punctuation, and if you get one character wrong, you're going to hear about it at 8 am the day of publication. Lots of other people just don't care.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 8:36 AM
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Here is a image credit I just came across on Wikipedia:

Library in 1610 (print by Woudanus)

Clearly the sort of person who would go around with their arse hanging out and painted blue.

Having had several jobs now where I've been responsible for typing in photo credits, I can say that I really wish there were more universally acknowledged standards for that process. You get stuff from some people (mostly larger organizations) where they are hyper paranoid about having EXACT wording and punctuation, and if you get one character wrong, you're going to hear about it at 8 am the day of publication. Lots of other people just don't care.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 8:36 AM
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I swear to God I only pressed Post once.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 8:36 AM
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73: I think that without physical therapy, I am not capable of going that far over that terrain.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 9:03 AM
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72: And returned to your car by what means? (If I understood your proposed route correctly.)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 9:08 AM
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Rough luck, Moby. I was impressed you though it was possible. I don't think I could walk 16 miles on flat easy trail in one day, much less two in a row.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 9:08 AM
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Oops. 79 was me.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 9:09 AM
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78: We are staying with family nearby. I hobbled from the Rt 30 shelter to the Rt 30 lot and called my wife.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 9:37 AM
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I had a pronounced limp

Not that there's anything wrong with that.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 9:39 AM
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Silent limps are the worst.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 9:41 AM
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The "p" is silent.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 9:48 AM
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73: Not that I don't appreciate the encouragement.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 9:49 AM
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Or the l is silent. And don't you give me any of that silent m.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 9:56 AM
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So, why not physical therapy then?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 9:56 AM
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I agree that physical therapy and being active is better than not, and I hate PT. But my limp is gone! Knock on wood.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 9:59 AM
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I've had good results after a torn ACL and shoulder tendonitis.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 10:05 AM
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I had an awesome physical therapist after spraining an ankle at work. I think a sprained ankle was really exciting compared to stress injuries from pipetting and typing. She used to be a trainer for the Baltimore Ravens and kept saying things like "Ooh, a high ankle sprain! This is like football players get!" Best of all, though, she noticed my splinted finger and suggested a bunch of exercises to regain strength and dexterity, which was really amazing, given that the last PT had told me it'd never improve.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 10:12 AM
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Seriously? Do I need to say "please" when I click the checkbox?


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 10:16 AM
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I'm not opposed to PT and will probably try it. I'm just saying my problem is bit more than having a rough weekend.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 10:33 AM
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Fair enough. I'll work on being less perkily encouraging. It's a terrible habit.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 10:45 AM
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I think you could totally pull that off, LB.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 10:49 AM
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As Keynes said, "Rest and conditioning can only do so much to fix an injured tendon."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 11:10 AM
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Keynes never said that. He only ever talked about ligaments- did you know it used to be called Tommy John Keynes surgery?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 11:47 AM
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Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 1:42 PM
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Have you tried using paint thinner to clean up after oil painting? Soap and water won't work at all.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 2:03 PM
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It is to my shame that I have gone back to using acrylics, even if they are so much less fun to actually paint with.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 4:17 PM
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I got a blister from my OG hiking staff.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 7:05 PM
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Fist bump, fellow son of the forest.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 7:45 PM
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I wonder if anyone actually has a neighbor named "Yamada Totoro"?

If there is an anime Heaven, well you know they've got a Hell of a Catbus.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 06-20-15 8:30 PM
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