I never met her, so I don't really know. What I wonder is if Courtney Love wasn't maybe the best thing that ever happened to Cobain.
It definitely seems to be a thing. It comes up quite often on movie/comedy podcasts. Indeed, she's a played-as-unlikeable character on one of them. But I have no idea why.
People don't seem able to forgive AH dating that con artist.
Is this about the new one or the one that was married to Shakespeare?
I saw that new Kurt Cobain documentary. Kurt Cobain seems like bad news as a person. Super talented, but bad news.
I thought everyone was supposed to like Anne Hathaway now for some reason.
5.2: That's right. Hating Anne Hathaway is so 5 milliseconds ago.
It would be brutal to have to be as likable as those women who are partially famous for being likeable are likable.
People who need people but only a reasonable subset of people are the luckiest people of all.
Is this like the thing a few years ago where suddenly about half my friends decided that they HATED Angelina Jolie for no easily explained reason?
Which I guess may be mostly white men. Sorry.
10 to 8.
9: Your friends were Jennifer Aniston in disguise.
If I state that I had no idea who Anna Hathaway is until reading this post, do I win the thread?
Or does winning the thread require that I also claim to not even own a TV?
6- Maybe the celebrity gossip sites need to move their servers closer to Hollywood so their hatred algorithms aren't ruined by speed of light latency.
The answer is: authenticity. Specifically, Hathaway sucks at pretending to be authentic. She's hot Hillary Clinton. But I'll always love her for answer to asshole Matt Lauer, who tried to make it sound like someone taking a picture up her skirt was her fault.
12: "Anna Hathaway" won the thread! Congratulations!
14: that's your answer to everything.
6- Maybe the celebrity gossip sites need to move their servers closer to Hollywood so their hatred algorithms aren't ruined by speed of light latency.
TMZ could have collocated servers in Hollywood Stock Exchange.
Jane Hathaway ran for congress in the seat just out past the Pittsburgh suburbs, but she didn't win.
that's your answer to everything
Alpoko Don would like a word with you.
She comes off seeming pretty smart in 14.
I find this phenomenon utterly baffling. For instance, how exactly is she supposed to have ruined The Dark Knight Rises? Uncountable angry fanboys seem to think so, but no one ever explains why.
She's beautiful, in a slightly weird way, seems smart, is a better than average-for-Hollywood actress. Why the hate?
Or is she just obviously a raging egotistical psychopath and my raging egotistical psychopath sensor has failed me again.
I thought she was praised for Les Mis, I didn't hear any hate around that.
Jane Hathaway ran for congress
I'm not going to look it up, but wasn't that the name of a character on The Beverly Hillbillies?
I can see "Gotham City Hall" from the kitchen here.
24: Yes. I wasn't going to look up the name of the actress.
23: I thought the hate peaked around her Oscar win for that.
She ran against a man named "Bud," so I figure real names just didn't matter.
I own a TV. And I know who Anne Hathaway is. But I didn't know I was supposed to hate her. Is there an email newsletter or something?
She's the one who co-hosted the Oscars with Franco, right? That seemed pretty stupid.
Your friends were Jennifer Aniston in disguise.
I suspect they may all have identified with her. When I asked if there was a reason behind the sudden Jolie-hate, one of them said in a low angry voice "she looks like she's the sort of woman who would steal your boyfriend" and I think in retrospect that "he should be so lucky" may not have been the most tactful answer, particularly as I was the boyfriend in question at the time.
Specifically, Hathaway sucks at pretending to be authentic.
What does this even mean? She's an unconvincing hologram? In that case you need to hate the people who designed the software.
I hate lots of people who design software. Lately, the iCloud people and whoever made it so that I can't run Minecraft on Windows 10.
She's the one who co-hosted the Oscars with Franco, right?
Was she even born when the old fascist turned up his toes?
34: Holograms need to have little foil "H"s on their foreheads so we can avoid this problem.
37: but Rimmer would make such a convincing Anne Hathaway, no?
38 Hathaway wouldn't make a half bad Rimmer, come to think of it.
Angelina Jolie's birthday and mine are less than twelve months apart, but she's always seemed about ten years older. Nothing wrong with that, of course, just a bit weird.
There was something some months back that I can't find, a retrospective of all the piling on Amanda Palmer by someone who was a major participant? Something to the effect of there seems to be this social niche for calling out specific women as horrible, and it feels weird even if the reasons might be justified.
39: if they're doing an all-female Ghostbusters sequel, then surely an all-female Red Dwarf can't be beyond the bounds of possibility.
My birthday has always been six months or less apart from everybody I've met.
39: if they're doing an all-female Ghostbusters sequel, then surely an all-female Red Dwarf can't be beyond the bounds of possibility.
Paul Feig has already pretty much remade Red Dwarf with Other Space.
Holy shit, I hadn't heard about the incident in 14 or what a slimeball Lauer is. I mean I knew he was a typical crappy media type, but "I've seen a lot of you lately" as an intro to a question about someone taking that picture? Do you think he rehearsed that question to himself in the mirror before the show?
It's a nice mirror, with lights all around.
Based I the two songs of hers that are for some reason in my library, I'm fine with Amanda Palmer hate.
It's one of those infuriating "women who try too hard are unlikeable" rigged games, but the author is describing the phenomenon, not condoning it.
This sounds a lot like the phenomenon of Alex Rodriguez hatred.
Probably also applies to Michael Vick. At least people seem to be complaining about him.
Maybe it's not because he's trying to hard. I think the headline was something about how dogged he was.
46: I've only watched the first episode, which was OK in parts, pretty cringeworthy in others. So a lot like Red Dwarf. I keep meaning to go back and watch the rest, as I hear it gets better, but I've had too much other stuff on my backlog (bingewatched all of Orphan Black S3 this weekend).
I always assumed, sort of like A-Rod even though he kind of does seem like an ass, that it was just one of those "Oh everyone hates (so-and-so), therefore I do too! Isn't she hateful!? Oooooh, I'm all burned up about that totally normal thing she did that everyone else does too but when she does it I hate her for it so much because she's (insert insult that always just ends up meaning that I don't like her)." things. I know it's a basic human thing to do, but it's always kind of bizarre/grating to me how many people learn that they really dislike something that they have never actually encountered because it's the designated hate object of the moment or whatever.
Also yes I really like anchovies on pizza why would you ask? Does anyone seriously believe that more than ten to fifteen percent of people who vocally hate anchovies on pizza/think they're repulsive/etc. have ever actually tried it? I blame the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
What does this even mean?
Nothing mysterious; some people seem like they're being themselves (even when it's an act) and some people seem like they're putting on an act (even when they're not).
54: ...say people who enjoy olives and cured meat on pizza.
Haven't you heard that famous joke that goes something like -- "the most important thing in life is to always be sincere, and so once you can fake that you've got it made".
I enjoy olives and cured meat on and off pizza. And I still say anchovies are too salty on pizza. And I've tried it. Not lately, but I have tried it.
"Conan! What is best in life?"
"Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the sincere-sounding lamentations of their women."
I once had a slice of pizza (in PARIS) with anchovies, olives, and salami. It was a little too salty.
"Son, son, I admire you for your sincerity. Always be sincere. Whether you mean it or not" - Flanders & Swann, "The Reluctant Cannibal"
I think I was about 18 before I learned that there was any other kind of pizza besides anchovies and black olives. I still like it best.
Black olive pizza is better than anchovies and black olives.
ARod hatred arises because men who try too hard to be centaurs are inherently unlikeable.
We use an algorithm called PARIS distinguished from the city by all caps since it's an acronym, so I'm wondering how neb is analyzing his pizzas.
I do eat a fair amount of canned seafood (sardines/tuna/clams).
You're just picking on him, I bet you don't even criticize all the other people who have paintings on their ceilings of themselves as a centaur.
That was somebody else. I was being supportive.
Who doesn't hate A-Rod? He's a classic Bad Yankee, talented and a jerk about it.
A-Rod: Bad Yankee
Matsui: Good Yankee
Jeter: Bad Yankee
Rivera: Good Yankee
There was an (almost) all-female Red Dwarf episode. My memory has now written in Hathaway as the creepy, hypnosis seduction attempting Rimmer.
Anyhow, I recently watched Princess Diaries 2 and found myself rooting for the bad guys the whole time, I guess partially but not exactly because Anne Hathaway was trying too hard.
Basically you should either attempt to be a conscientious monarch in a monarchical system, conscious of your position and obligations, or a true revolutionary. Both of those are noble and admirable pursuits. Being a wussy faux-naive, renouncing the duties of royalty while still accepting all of its benefits makes you an inherently unlikeable monarch, IMO. That was my criticism of Princess Diaries 2, anyway.
Being a wussy faux-naive, renouncing the duties of royalty while still accepting all of its benefits makes you Richard II of England as far as I can see. They made a movie?
Sort of, though it also involves Anne Hathaway and an older Julie Andrews.
It's also an older Anne Hathaway than the OP PD.
75: Are we going to get a whole series of Princess Diaries sequels recounting the bloody civil wars that resulted form the princess shirking her duties? That would be cool.
I really want to like Anne Helen Petersen's articles about celebrities - I recently read one about Alison Brie - but I guess I just can't get into reading about celebrities if celebrity is the reason they're being written about. As opposed to something like raising lions at home.
I thought of it as introspection about how she, and many others react to a celebrity, and what it reveals. Not about a celebrity per se.
This celebrity like many others is just a name to me, but thought the process was interesting.
Holy shit, I hadn't heard about the incident in 14 or what a slimeball Lauer is.
I hadn't either. I now hate Matt Lauer, and refuse to hate Anne Hathaway.
What if Anne Hathaway drove into your parked car and left a note reading, "Everybody things I'm leaving my contact information and insurance policy number, but I'm not," before driving off?
82: What if Anne Hathaway shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die?
What if Anne Hathaway had forced Matt Lauer to ask those questions, threatening to kill his wife if he didn't ask, and telling Lauer that if he didn't think she could get away with murdering a journalist's spouse, he could ask Couric about that?
This recent 538 analysis of her filmography is interesting.
I blame the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
No way. My youth predates TMNT, and anchovies on pizza were an old joke then.
Somewhere along the line, roughly college-aged, I tried anchovies on pizza because I figured they were a thing for a reason, and I do, indeed, like tinned fish. Way too fucking salty. Maybe a couple anchovies minced and spread over a pie, but at least one whole one for each slice? No way. I think I even tried again a few years back (maybe all the better options were gone?), and it was still terrible.
Later I discovered less-salty anchovies, and am happy to use and eat them in lots of contexts.
I've never seen Red Dwarf, but I like Other Space well enough. Considering how many roughly similar things leave me cold, it must mean something that I more-or-less binge-watched it.
I guess an appealing blend of the quotidian and absurd? Like, it wasn't afraid to get freaky, but it never patted itself on the back for getting freaky, and kept most of the humor and interactions about being basically a sort of workplace comedy.
I do admit that part of it is finding Milana Vayntrub quite appealing, both attractive and funny. I like her web series with Stevie Nelson quite a bit.
87.last: Are they just in the usual stores?
It just never occurred to me that it would be a thing you could buy (as opposed to rinsing the anchovies or cutting them with a ton of other food).
Also, now I really want fried smelts.
I love anchovies on pizza. Isn't pepperoni basically a salt delivery system as well?
Olives, those are bad.
If you've had pepperoni that is as salty as anchovies, I think you had the outliers of both distributions.
Also, all olives are good, unless they put something stupid in the middle.
I should keep olives and low-salt anchovies at my desk to eat when I need a snack. Healthier than Swedish Fish.
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Wrong. Canned black olives have no flavor. They are chewy bland salt balls. Though they don't hurt anything in their mediocrity, they are not "good".
I'm sort of over Kalamata olives. They aren't bad or anything. They just seem very 90s.
Not really on topic, but I may make onion soup this weekend. Good weather for it.
Keeping anchovies by your desk as a snack makes you powerful like Orca.
Do olives count as paleo? I mean, I know they don't qualify as having been eaten by people in the paleolithic, but I assume that part is all bullshit anyway.
They're mostly just salted fat, so I assume they're probably fine. I don't think they're old enough for paleolithic, but they also pretty seriously old as far as food crops go.
I'm sort of over Kalamata olives. They aren't bad or anything. They just seem very 90s.
Best enjoyed accompanied by a good merlot.
They're paleo. I love olives. MHPH is right, pretty much any salted non-grain-based fat is fine.
I don't have strong feelings on merlot. Chardonnay is the one I have trouble with. If I wanted to drink something that tasted like butter, I would put butter in my coffee.
And don't get me started on the pumpkin ale people. First, it's nearly always something that should be called "pumpkin-pie spices ales". Second, it tastes bad. Third, to drink enough for a buzz, you will get physically queasy because of the spices.
Two and three are distinct. For example, PBR tastes bad, but you can drink enough of it to get drunk without feeling sick.
106. Pretty sure that's just a US fashion, and even that's not uniform. White wine from Burgundy is mostly chardonnay.
Washington state produces good, underrated wines, especially from the Yakima valley, I bet the whites are also good.
I mostly drink the kind of wine that comes in boxes. I find reds safer.
Haven't you you said you have gastritis? Do you enjoy it?
I used to have it. I was on Prilosec (back when it was Rx) for five or six years. But that was long, long ago. I haven't even used a Tums in a decade.
107: IIRC nutmeg is a mild hallucinogen, so perhaps if you drink enough to get an alcohol buzz you'll also start hallucinating.
That was in the Anarchist's Cookbook, but, IIRC, it required enough nutmeg to choke a reindeer.
Other Space isn't nearly as funny as Red Dwarf. (Though to be fair maybe its one season is funnier than the first season of Red Dwarf, which was a really long time ago.) It does get funnier towards the end. For the tiny genre of science fiction comedy, it's not nearly as funny as Rick and Morty, which is a work of genius.
I don't think pumpkin (spice) beer is completely without justification. I don't particularly go for it, but it has a clear purpose behind it, which is to allow people who hate beer to occasionally drink beer without risking discovering that beer can actually be delicious and not awful.
it's not nearly as funny as Rick and Morty, which is a work of genius.
Do you know the origins of Rick and Morty?
The guy behind Rick and Morty looks kind of like Sifu.
I'm 95% certain you can buy anchovy-stuffed olives.
Even saltwater anchovies are usually less salty than what they put on pizzas; I think those are salt-packed, crazily enough. I get them in little jars of olive oil, but you can also get olive oil ones in tins.
I can't see him; stupid Morty's stupid head is in the way.
I thought pumpkin ale was just brewed using actual pumpkin as one of the carbohydrate sources? Sure sometimes they add spices to make it taste like pie but I've had pumpkin ales that just have a light pumpkin (the actual fruit) flavor.
Wasn't there a recipe published in a UK newspaper a couple years ago that called for something like 1/2 cup instead of 1/2 tsp of nutmeg and a bunch of people ended up poisoned?
For a British newspaper a couple of years ago, poisoning a bunch of people was a step up from the usual behavior.
I thought pumpkin ale was just brewed using actual pumpkin as one of the carbohydrate sources?
I did have one like that and it wasn't as bad.
115: The first season of Red Dwarf wasn't always the funniest, but it had that sense of sadness and desolation dow in a way that got lost in the zaniness of later seasons. And I liked The Cat in the early seasons more, when he wasn't just an idiot.
Anyway, if ogged is really so concerned about my health, probably something more like JP's comments about hiking for shorter distances are more necessary.
117: The only thing I know is that it started as a Back to the Future parody.
I now hate Matt Lauer, and refuse to hate Anne Hathaway.
Precisely. The Lauer interview is the first thing I think of every time people start talking about her.
In the same interview, Lauer tried to get her to tell him how she lost weight to become the skeletal Fantine and she told him to fuck off and stop glamorizing anorexia.
So, yeah, I like her just fine.
121: Looks like a Swedish magazine, and four people with adverse effects.
I only cry during viking funerals.
Unlike Anne Hathaway, that witch.
Such a waste of a perfectly good ship.
I get heartburn if I have syrah and any tomato-based food on the same night.
If I have beer and wings too late, I do get heartburn.
I don't do hotwings, because I just don't like them. but everything else is fine--even spicy food. But heaven fore-fend I have fucking syrah.
I get mind wings. Lately, I've been eating the celery for the vitamins.
Stupid phone. Mind should be mild.
Last week I had shredded chicken left over from making stock, and separately some blue cheese dressing in a little takeout cup. So I minced in some celery, added mayo and Frank's Original, and voila, Buffalo chicken pita. Oh yeah, peak season tomato slices, yum.
I've basically never had heartburn, thank god. Although I avoid syrah for the most part on general principle (the principle that I don't mostly like it).
Hey, that thing by your house that was in the paper today? Would an email to city council or anything help?
137: yeah I just don't like hot and sour. I guess if I did it'd have to be Anne Hathaway.
Mind wings has to be a euphemism for something. Like brain farts.
If John and Yoko had formed a band?
I'm 95% certain you can buy anchovy-stuffed olives.
I'm 100% certain of this - I have some in a cupboard. But the anchovies are sort of ground up in a paste with, I assume, some other stuff which makes them less overwhelming than the plain salted kind.
What I'm going to cook tonight: 3 or 4 anchovies melted in oil; a load of finely chopped garlic, fried therein; a handful of raisins; a large head of broccoli, chopped quite small. The whole steamed very gently in the juice of a large lemon until the broccoli is soft and served with whatever pasta comes to hand. We eat this roughly every couple of weeks because anchovies!
142: hmm, that sounds interesting. I'll have to try that!
So I watched a couple more episodes of Other Space and I quite liked it. Not much to make you laugh out loud, but better writing than the first episode for the most part. I'll certainly watch the rest of them. But, yes, Rick and Morty is way better. But then, Rick and Morty is way better than 99% of TV.
This thread seems close enough to dead: how about this article on the tontine, and how we should bring it back?
What's odd about it, to me, is that it fails to mention the most obviously useful feature of the tontine as a retirement savings, which is that the older people get (past a certain point) the more money they tend to need to live. So once you get past the initial die-off period the remaining retirees would get more money, but that's also a point where people tend to need more money, if only for medical stuff. So really it would be optimal!
Also the murders are pretty cool so there's that as well.
145.2: that's only true for individual people. It's not true across different people of the same age. Medical costs spike in the last couple of years of life, regardless (more or less) of the age of death (ignoring people being hit by cars etc). You don't have two people living like this
healthy....healthy...expensively ill... dead at 85
healthy...healthy...dead at 75
It's more like
healthy...healthy...expensively ill... dead at 85
healthy...expensively ill...dead at 75
ignoring people being hit by cars
That's what PennDot does when it comes to highways in the city.
I guess it wasn't as popular as Wings.
146: That assumes their living costs remain steady across the time prior to those last short years. I can assure you, having seen most of my elderly relatives end up this way, that the end stage in retirement home care* can last for more than a few years and definitely costs more than the earlier stages.
*Nurse on staff, all food prepared, constant checkups, etc. My Grandmother lived this way for somewhere in the vicinity of ten years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_Ono_Band
I mean, it didn't cost as much as her last two or so years in what amounted to a hospital bed by any means. But it wasn't exactly renting an apartment either.
151: yeah, but, even so, I would bet on the duration of the end stages being only weakly related to the age at death. It's not like everyone goes into a retirement home at 75 on the dot (except the ones who have already died).
The financing for that sort of care/housing complicates things in the U.S. Medicare (the one you get for being old) will pay for close to everything they can do to you in a hospital bed but it won't (usually) pay for a nursing home. Running up a quarter million dollars of medical bills in the six months prior to death isn't as big of a financial problem for most families as a much cheaper (per day) stay in the nursing home.
The claim that tontines would have lower administrative costs than annuities is bullshit. It seems to compare buying an annuity from a regulated, rated, insurer with setting up a tontine with a few neighbors. Any tontine structure with sufficient safeguards to be likely to still exist by the time you need it will have the same administrative costs as an annuity run by a regulated insurance company. In fact, it almost certainly will be an annuity run by a regulated, rated insurance company, with slightly modified terms.
138: Oh hell yes. This is going to be a huge fight, with very little time to make an impact.
We shouldn't have to sell a public park to a private developer in order to ease the burden on people being kicked out of affordable housing. Egregious, and completely successful, hostage-taking.
157: I was horrified to see that, JRoth. I have photographic proof how much the girls enjoyed that little park when we visited, and they were far from alone!
I'm speculating, but I'll bet 154 is wrong. Plenty of degenerative diseases start late in life, require lots of expensive care (and increasingly so) and thus would correlate pretty strongly with age of death. My personal experience is only with Alzheimer's care, but most people don't get that until pretty late in life and you can have a good 15 years of extraordinarily expensive and intensive care before you go.
I'll make like a pre-teen girl in the 80s and write a letter to Corey.
The dish in 142, and others like it, is very good.
Speaking of hostage taking, except less successfully executed, Keystone dropped its suit to take land in Nebraska by eminent domain.
Thorn, please send those pics! Or just post them. In fact, a post from you on the page, saying what you just said, would be lovely.
We're meeting with the Mayor's Chief of Staff Friday.
Don't spit on him. He seemed nice enough the time I talked to him.
Will do when I have time tonight, JRoth.
164: We'll just have to see how the meeting goes.
165: Thanks!