but if it's true that he really won't put out because he's saving himself for marriage, then damn, credit for believing what he's preaching.
No, this man is sick and needs help.
if it's true that he really won't put out because he's saving himself for marriage, then damn, credit for believing what he's preaching
This is not a very radical position for a mainstream evangelical Christian.
This would barely even be considered newsworthy if Culpo was the one with the public and longstanding dedication to chastity before marriage, and Tebow was the heathen who broke up with her over it.
I.e., ogged is sexist.
Not a radical position, but a fairly unusual practice, I'd think.
He should just go with the standard evangelical Christian route of serial marriages.
4: Urple will be the judge of that.
A completely novel abstinence act.
A completely novel abstinence act.
"I'm suspending myself in carbonite until marriage."
Ban me Solo and the Nookie.
TBH, Culpo comes out of this worse than Tebow, if the story is as told. If she starts dating him and asks for sex and he says "No, I'm saving myself for marriage", then, if she doesn't plan to marry him any time soon she should simply say "Sorry, that's a dealbreaker, but no hard feelings. Have a nice life." She should not hang in there nagging him to fuck against his principles.
I grew up in a southern fundamentialist milieu, and I'm telling you, this is weird as hell, even for them. The abstinence thing is mostly for girls. Men are officially supposed to be chaste too, but few get seriously upset when a guy "slips up."
A guy in Tebow's position in his early 20s would be considered a Good Example for the Youth. By the late 20s though, people are going to start wondering what he's doing, exactly. The abstinence crowd are not big fans of marrying later in life either...
The abstinence crowd are not big fans of marrying later in life either...
But they like it better than turning out a "confirmed bachelor."
I sort of assume that it's not true -- that they're colluding on the story for publicity. (Truth being either that they were having sex, or that they were never genuinely romantically involved, either way.)
According to Wikipedia, Culpo also dated a Jonas brother. Maybe two isn't enough to make a pattern, but maybe she likes it when they play hard to get.
This looks to me like a publicity leak prepping Tebow for the second half of his career on the evangelical lecture circuit.
This looks to me like a publicity leak prepping Tebow for the second half of his career on the evangelical lecture circuit.
You're not thinking big enough. Not the evangelical lecture circuit, but a new evangelical football circuit. The Chi-FL, if you will.
This is all a setup for Tebow's tell-all memoir of their two months relationship: Mea Culpo
Yeesh, you people are cynical. You realize there are lots of people who take lifelong vows of chastity in the name of religion, right? Waiting until marriage is nothing. I mean, most people don't, but many (religious) people who don't think they "should" have, encourage their own kids to, etc. It's unusual in percentage terms, but there are a handful of people at every large evangelical church in America who are currently abiding by this precept. Mostly younger people, sure, but not exclusively.
A guy in Tebow's position in his early 20s would be considered a Good Example for the Youth. By the late 20s though, people are going to start wondering what he's doing, exactly. The abstinence crowd are not big fans of marrying later in life either...
Exactly. The vow is common, and that's why you marry young, have sex, get disenfranchised, divorce early. Meatloaf mentioned something like this once.
Perhaps we also cynically realize how many of those people successfully keep those vows their entire lives without ever breaking them, and how those younger people at evangelical churches actually act when it comes to pledging to abstain until marriage...
The abstinence thing is mostly for girls. Men are officially supposed to be chaste too, but few get seriously upset when a guy "slips up."
The fundamentalists are mostly interested in policing women's sexuality?? Someone call the New York Times.
A guy in Tebow's position in his early 20s would be considered a Good Example for the Youth. By the late 20s though, people are going to start wondering what he's doing, exactly.
Sure, but what they're wondering isn't "why won't he have sex with people?", it's "why hasn't he gotten married yet?"
It's not so much the chastity that I'm skeptical about, it's the chastity as motivating force for a celebrity breakup. I wouldn't expect someone saving it for marriage to be in a public romantic relationship with someone who wasn't explicitly on board with the idea.
(Also, the site you linked to say that it's not that unusual? Said still only about 20% even in very religious communities. And you have to figure that some of that 20% would be people not faced with a lot of temptation on a regular basis. Which would not describe Tebow's life, either as a celebrity football player generally, or someone dating Culpo specifically.)
Chastity is just another word for homely.
Meatloaf mentioned something like this once.
They should record a cover of that song with Culpo singing Meatloaf's part.
21: The funny thing about that is that while Jesus wasn't super-clear on premarital sex he was completely unambiguous about divorce.
20 - Also from what I can remember studies of priests who have taken vows of lifelong celibacy have found that the majority of them break those vows, either occasionally/infrequently or at the "secret wife and children" level.
24.1: But celebrities mostly don't really have the option of having non-public relationships, romantic or otherwise. I think this was more them toying with the idea of a romantic relationship--"dating," but not being physically involved--until she basically said "I'm not interested if this isn't going anywhere", and called it off. I mean, it could be a publicity stunt, I guess, but what they claim happened doesn't sound all that different from what you've described.
I don't think I understand what the word "disenfranchised" means in 21. "Disenchanted"?
It's got something to do with the NFL draft.
29: Oh, never mind -- I just read the article, and they were only 'dating' for two months? At that point I have no opinion at all on what the truth of the matter is -- that's a relationship length that's perfectly compatible with what you said. But it's also celebrity news, so it might have no relationship whatsoever on any level with real world facts.
Dated for two months. Sounds like they went out a couple of times, and now both of them want their names in the news.
"Send my foundation money or I will start using my penis on women!"
How do bases work when it's a woman going after a man? Is second base still the same?
35: I think if we are talking about sex then the only base to use is base 2 because each of the 2 symbols for digits/numbers have a clearly sexual meaning.
35: The more appropriate metaphor is badminton.
I don't think I understand what the word "disenfranchised" means in 21. "Disenchanted"?
Yes. (It felt wrong when I typed it but I've gotten in the habit of assuming that everyone will substitute in the word I can't locate.)
Isn't Russell Wilson (quarterback for the Seahawks) waiting for marriage as well? A. C. Green, who played for the Lakers way back when, also claimed to waiting for marriage.
The part I don't understand is that literally the only reasons I can see for being a pro athlete are a) sleeping around, and b) money. Waiting for marriage reduces the value of a pro career by 50%.
37: or, as we call it here, shuttlecock
Seriously: an unmarried evangelical male celebrity approaching 30 just as to be gay. See cl\iff ri\ch*rd and a couple of pastors you will not have heard of but are huge in their world here.
The voiceless glottal fricative is necessary at times.
Surely I can't be the only person here who can confirm the truth of 28 in at least one case from personal experience.
The Tebow phenomenon is hard to convey to those not in America, but Tebow being gay would be just too fantastic. I can't even bring myself to hope for it.
Dude, I'd never seen an interview with Tebow. The gayest!
A. C. Green, who played for the Lakers way back when, also claimed to waiting for marriage.
I worked with Antoine Carr's brother James back when I worked in telecom and he said Green was a real oddly intense guy and that he didn't think Green was faking it.
37, 40: Wait, that wasn't the joke?
I just set them up, and see if anyone else wants to knock them down. (Also, it wasn't a very good joke. Mostly, I was just trying to name something puzzling. Could have been lawn darts.)
Kids need to learn about the birds and the lawn darts.
That's probably a problem that's a little more urgent for the birds.
Well, it would be if the kids would get off the damn lawn.
50: I maintain that improves the metaphor in some senses.
The whole thing sounds like a racket.
The funny thing about that is that while Jesus wasn't super-clear on premarital sex
As the child of an unmarried mother, he could hardly afford to be.
he was completely unambiguous about divorce.
It is really interesting that this is something so many of his followers seem to ignore.
But then there are a lot of problems with Christianity as the basis for an ethical code. For one thing, the things which we think of (rightly) as the worst things you can possibly do, short of murder - slavery, rape, torture - aren't even crimes at all, biblically speaking. Divorce, drunkenness and private property, yes.
If you think that's bad, you should see the Old Testament.