Re: When You're A Hammer, Everything Looks Like A Drunk

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There was also recently a "I've been tearfully disclosing my herpes diagnosis to potential sex partners for the past 5 years, but it turns out I don't have herpes" article.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 11:37 AM
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Link? How'd the writer figure that out?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 11:40 AM
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Plus, a person can get rid of the herpes virus, is my understanding, plus it's pretty impossible to tell if you have it, if you're not having regular outbreaks. So she could have had it, or been legitimately exposed, and now not have it.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 11:44 AM
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Huh. Didn't know that -- I thought herpes was lifelong. That you weren't necessarily contagious, but that your body didn't clear it out.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 11:46 AM
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I think they've walked that back, in cases. Although I'm sure my source for that is various doctors guest-speaking on Dan Savage.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 11:52 AM
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Here it is.But the article is not that recent! -- I read it recently, I guess.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 12:04 PM
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Anyway, she didn't "get better" exactly. She was given a "visual" diagnosis and immediately put on meds. Never had another break out, but a later bloodtest showed she didn't have it and probably (?) never did.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 12:06 PM
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The Herpes 7-up.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 12:10 PM
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As to the OP, that kind of happened to a friend when he was 14 or 15! Big fights with parents, normal high school drinking, got packed off to the Girl, Interrupted hospital. (The parents were getting divorced and frankly I think wanted to be rid of him.) A doctor there said, "You're not an alcoholic. Not saying you could never turn into one. But you are not an alcoholic." And told his parents not to be assholes. Friend loved this doctor forever (kept seeing him as a shrink) and the parents . . . didn't.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 12:11 PM
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That Girl Interrupted hospital is lush. I went there (outpatient) when I quit drinking and it was enormously helpful. I can now say I was treated by the same establishment that cured Sylvia Plath and David Foster Wallace.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 12:28 PM
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*I* love the doctor in 9! That's one lovable doctor!


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 12:37 PM
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Didn't we discuss this story (not the Vox article, but the TAL episode) like a year ago?


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 12:39 PM
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Maybe? I don't remember it?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 12:44 PM
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I can now say I was treated by the same establishment that cured Sylvia Plath and David Foster Wallace.

Uuh, that's got to be of very limited encouragement if you think about it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 12:49 PM
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OT: dairy queen, as a person interested in dance, I've been meaning to ask if you have opinions about Elizabeth Streb? I watched the recent documentary about her, liked it, recommended it but in a thread which you probably didn't read.

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Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 12:56 PM
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Also, the OP/9 scenario is not as uncommon as you'd think, but is still less common than the raging alcoholic teenager scenario, which has a similar presentation. The rehab grounding:actual alcoholic ratio increases with household income, but has a ceiling.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 12:59 PM
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I found it a little upsetting that the AA groups didn't seem to be able to distinguish.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 1:12 PM
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I swear I saw this exact article on Vox about a year and a half ago. I wonder if they're recycling. It's a good one, though.


Posted by: Trivers | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 2:56 PM
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18: The TAL episode first aired about 1.2 years ago. Maybe that's what you're remembering?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 3:48 PM
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NickS - I will watch the documentary. The youtube video didn't grab me (she kind of lost me when she said she didn't understand why people continue to choreograph to music), but I'll watch the video. I have a somewhat extreme allergic reaction against the circus trick end of the ballet spectrum, while paradoxically I love the circus itself. Thanks for the recommendation in any case, I like to check out new stuff!


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 4:19 PM
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I read this the other day, and it reminded me of an acquainance from grad school. He was very, very smart and bored in school. His UMC mother decided, for unclear reasons, I guess because he never had homework, having done it all in school, that he must be on drugs. She requested that a family friend, the boyfriend's PhD advisor, take him on to do wholesome uncompsensated work. The guy ended up having the time of his life knowing people who were older and past normal high school bullshit. He has a fanstastic life now, having skipped college and gone to work for first Microsoft and then other big companies, wealthy and married to a lovely woman, but I wonder whether he resents having been sent to rehab and repeatedly being punished for being a bored near-genius.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 8:09 PM
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Did he ever get the chance to do some drugs?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 8:15 PM
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22: I'm sure that he did later, although every grad student party I saw him at, he was either close to passing out or passed out with penises drawn on his face in Sharpie.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 8:24 PM
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Fortunately, I went to graduate school before Sharpies were something students brought to parties.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 8:27 PM
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The fact that I am making buckeyes right now has never been so on-topic.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 8:33 PM
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I went to Ohio State never knowing what a Buckeye was. Or a groundhog. The first time I saw one of those waddle into view, I wondered what it was and if I should call somebody about it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 8:38 PM
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Not knowing what a buckeye is seems forgivable. Nebraska doesn't have groundhogs, though?


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 8:40 PM
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I thought it was just another name for chipmunk.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 8:43 PM
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I grew up just west of the red zone. But I've never seen one in Lincoln either even though Lincoln is apparently in their range.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 8:45 PM
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Fair enough. I was really questionng your farmland cred.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 8:54 PM
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Prairie/plains cred?


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 8:57 PM
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I lived right on the boarder between farmland and range.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 9:01 PM
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If he didn't want people living on him, he should have gotten his own house.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 9:02 PM
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NickS - I will watch the documentary.

Good, I'll be curious what you make of it. Based on your comments, I don't think you'll like all of her work -- though I think you will enjoy some of it -- but I also don't think you need to like all of her work to like the documentary. I do think it's a really well constructed film.

Also, I would say that I certainly wouldn't take her own comments which summarize her work as the last word. The movie makes clear that she very much has a public persona, and that her statements are a mix of explanation, provocation, and promotion. I thought her comment about not choreographing to music was interesting, but it's clearly meant to stake out ground as much as it explains anything (and, to it's credit I don't think the film takes her statements for granted).


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 10:10 PM
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19: You're right! I must have gotten them run together in my head because I started reading Vox around the time I started listening to TAL.


Posted by: Trivers | Link to this comment | 01-10-16 10:32 PM
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NMM David Bowie.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 01-11-16 5:28 AM
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Now we know who was the last to find out. (My wife was second-to-last.)


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 01-11-16 5:49 AM
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The Sentinelese had already sent condolences by then.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-11-16 6:24 AM
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Since there was no front page post about it, I figured that the rehab related thread was the place to announce it.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 01-11-16 7:36 AM
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Better than the guru sex thread? Surely you jest.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 01-11-16 7:41 AM
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32--moby, I'm from Nebraska too and I never saw a groundhog til I moved to the east coast!


Posted by: Miranda | Link to this comment | 01-11-16 10:06 AM
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Where, if it isn't too small to say without being identifying?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-11-16 10:07 AM
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Groundhog = Woodchuck
Chipmunk = small ground squirrel


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 01-11-16 10:08 AM
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Woodchuck = cider.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-11-16 10:09 AM
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Wouldn't you also be familiar with ground squirrels, the "thirteen-lined" kind, much bigger than a chipmunk, much smaller than a ground hog, in Nebraska?


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 01-11-16 10:12 AM
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I just now learned that was a different thing from a chipmunk.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-11-16 10:14 AM
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Or maybe we've done this before and I forgot.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-11-16 10:17 AM
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It actually makes sense to me, that you'd have called ground squirrels chipmunks, and would thus make an otherwise incomprehensible comparison between chipmunks and ground hogs. Chipmunks are tiny, the size of mice, groundhogs huge by comparison. But now that we've found the missing link...


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 01-11-16 10:28 AM
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