I don't know them. Sweatpants (on women) seem to all be skintight nowadays.
Google "skinny joggers" to see a bunch. Here's one.
3: So they're the opposite of bell bottoms?
I'm going to assume this is some kind of local Texas thing with no national relevance, like Ted Cruz or guns.
I think I tried some of those on looking for jogging pants recently. Thing is, do they really stand out visually to any degree? They're distinguished only by their lack of flopping around loosely, which makes some objective sense.
Like, leggings? Or like, leggings with heavier fabric?
Slowly America creeps towards the jodhpur.
All the women seem to be wearing leggings. I don't understand how that's an appealing option when it's this cold.
Leggings from the knee down. Baggy in the crotch.
There's no way this is a Texas thing, except in the sense that fashion tends to be sloppy and casual and this is the current trend for sloppy and casual. But it definitely didn't originate here. That said, I can imagine if you're in a well-dressed part of the country you might not see it.
I'm really not in a well-dressed part of the country.
All the women seem to be wearing leggings. I don't understand how that's an appealing option when it's this cold.
Well, compared to shorts...
Eh, if you're running, you're keeping yourself warm. I run in what I guess are... yoga pants? Maybe? I think of them as sweatpants, but light fabric. But with a jacket keeping my body warm, they're plenty down into the twenties. And colder than that, I don't care what I'm wearing, I'm not running.
I think most of the women I see are just going to class.
9: I totally saw a guy wearing jodhpur-like pants a couple of weeks ago!
Crossing threads, Facebook is obsessed with selling me joggers. I agree that they are the JNCOs or piano ties of the twenty-teens.
For to first time in my life, though, I'm so old that I don't even understand current hipster* style at all. I mean I never wore it but 10 years ago I had a rough sense of what the hipsters were trying to do and roughly how it cohered and what was acceptable and what not. Now I go to the trendier parts of downtown LA and the 23 year olds are wearing what seems like some totally incomprehensible style mishmash. Whatever, I'm in to my hustling, indifferent old man in a track suit phase, which will never not be cool.
*I know, but do you have a better word?
Agree with the OP. These will be the shoulder pads of the 20-teens.
I'm still hoping for the shoulder pads of the 1980s as predicted in the 1930s.
http://theredlist.com/wiki-2-20-777-779-view-1930-1940-profile-1936-bthings-to-come-b.html
Sorry, those are in fact the shoulder pads of 2036.
22 -- amazing (I mean not really, it was a model for Lucas, but still) how much those stills from the '30s look like Star Wars.
I agree that they are the JNCOs ...
*Googles "JNCOs"*
Holy shit! That really happened!? Where the fuck was I?
These pants are super ugly and I love them so much. First, because they are comfortable. Turns out I do want a breezy middle and tight legs/ankles. Also just generally, having jogging pants in fashion, and not just as home-wear, is so great.
Second, I really love, that there's an embrace of 'ugly' or 'interesting' in fashion these days. I'm not sure of the right term but I've gotten a feeling lately that people (women) aren't just doing the most 'figure flattering' things anymore. They're branching off to weird or sculptural or comfortable.
Finally and most vainly, clothes these days work really well with my body type so that's nice. Now if we could get some saturated colours rather than pastels.
And sorry RT, track suits have never been cool.
*Googles "JNCOs"*
Whoa. They're like zoot suits for bros who don't wear suits.
I wear something like these (solid black though) while ice skating, especially during lessons, to (a) avoid catching my blades on the pants and splatting (numerous other ways to fall) and (b) see my skating foot, and the inevitably wrong positioning. When I was looking for these a couple of years ago, I used some long soccer pants and also not-tight running tights. My son pointed me toward crossfit? weightlifting? pants that are very good. Pockets are a plus.
Were you at a stable?
I was at Saks. (Don't judge, I wanted to get my feet competently measured after realizing I have size 10, 10.5, and 11 shoes.)
26: I believe the essay "Shiny Adidas Tracksuits and the Death of Camp"* posits that tracksuits were ironically cool for a brief stint in the 90s. No idea whether or not that claim is true.
*From Might Magazine
I mean, that's the only person I've ever seen wearing something like these (although his are more, uh, "trendy"). do a google image search for " justin bieber pants" (iPad won't let me post a link)
I'm proud to say that I've always thought JNCOs looked silly.
30.2: Really? Do the Saks shoe people have special expertise?
30.2: Also, did you pretend you were interested in purchasing $1000 Jimmy Chus so they would measure your feet?
22 -- amazing (I mean not really, it was a model for Lucas, but still) how much those stills from the '30s look like Star Wars.
I get more of a Logan's Run vibe.
Are any of us young enough not to have been Carnivaled?
34/35: I tried on a pair of expensive shoes but that was mostly because I wanted to! And yes, IME the people selling shoes at places with expensive shoes know more about fit and measurement than, e.g., I do.
37: I think you mean Carrouseled.
Which is the one where the women appear in your room by magic?
Pinterest offered me a 1930s pattern for jodhpurs. I'd make them up if I were only afraid of looking ludicrous, but I tend to look like I'm missing the Empire, so maybe not.
Fleece leggings, smooth on the outside and fuzzy inwards, are deliciously warm and comfortable.
But you don't have a real winter there.
Winter Storm Jonas Brothers will leave the whole east coast wading through hip deep snow.
43: But it's the soundtrack that has East Coasters trembling.
38: You don't find the Saks sales people to be snooty?
As someone who appreciates butts, I do not care for that style.
Some people in Saks have nice butts, but 45 is right.
Anyway, the Pittsburgh Saks closed. So did the downtown Macy's, but we have other Macy's and not other Saks.
This is Justin Bieber's fault, right?
Not exclusively.
41.1: You can get away with jodhpurs as long as you also wear knee high boots and carry a riding crop. That way people will know that it's a BDSM thing and not latent imperialist leanings.
38: You don't find the Saks sales people to be snooty?
Not in this instance!
You can get away with jodhpurs as long as you also wear knee high boots and carry a riding crop. That way people will know that it's a BDSM thing and not latent imperialist leanings.
But you also just described general horseriding outfits?
Anyone here who hasn't seen JNCOs before (although I never knew that was the brand name) hopefully did not strenuously argue that 90s fashion still looks totally normal, unlike the 70s and 80s.
53 to 51. Horseriding is obviously just inter-species BDSM.
Second, I really love, that there's an embrace of 'ugly' or 'interesting' in fashion these days. I'm not sure of the right term but I've gotten a feeling lately that people (women) aren't just doing the most 'figure flattering' things anymore. They're branching off to weird or sculptural or comfortable.
ME TOO!
Man-repeller used to be a blog that was big that way, and now it looks like its become a big zine or brand or something. Anyway, they have fun taste.
I guess if you can ride bareback without reins, it's just DSM.
Reminded of a bit in a Culture novel where it notes that now that anyone can effortlessly look perfect, the real "beauties" are those who are interestingly just a little off.
Fortunately for beauties, I can't even come close to effortlessly perfect. Until Lands End has its next sale, I can't even do "shirted with no stains or rips".
And I still need to find a hat that doesn't read either goober or hipster. I sunburned my head in Tucson.
Banana republic had a pair of men's wool pants with a jogger elastic band at the bottom. on sale-- because nobody would possibly buy it.
Joggers are repulsive and should be eradicated.
Flippanter has spoken. All power to Flippanter.
Joggers as in the pants, the people or the band? I mean, eradicate them all, but I guess the band is okay.
Flip, is this what you mean? Bugs me too, if so.
63.1 is pretty close to Fievel Mousekewitz territory. Are you trying to make Moby look like a cartoon mouse?
65. I always thought of that as a Bowie song, but I see your point.
Fievel Mousekewitz! One of my stepdaughter's greatest loves!
At the peak of her Fievel obsession we got her a hat like that, she would put it on, and ask if she looked like him.
(I will have a conversation with you, Heebie)
I loved that blog. Didn't she get an editor/author job somewhere?
I bought this big raglan-sleeved grey sweater at Uniqlo after Christmas and it's probably the most unflattering thing I own and it's everything I can do not to wear it everywhere. Wait, I'm wearing a grandfatherly cardigan right now. Maybe that's the least flattering thing I own?
My style goal these days is Star Trek Ten Forward but French (with less synthetic fabric).
I can't find that hat at Lands End.
I like these as a somewhat different silhouette, and you don't wear a nasty spot into the bottom of your pants. Although, with them being on-trend there are lots of stores that claim to sell 'joggers' but are really just selling sweats. Joggers are woven, not knit fabric.
My girlfriend hates when I wear these.
Fleece leggings, smooth on the outside and fuzzy inwards, are deliciously warm and comfortable.
I own two pairs of flannel-lined jeggings (peggings?), which look like normalish pants with back pockets on the outside but are actually flannel leggings with an elastic waist. I taught in them yesterday, because I told myself they looked professional if I wore them with a black wool BR blazer and some black heeled boots. Also, it was 8 degrees outside.
I managed to be in the peak JNCOs generation, but still hadn't heard of them until someone mentioned them recently. Anyways, if you want to know how cool I was, in the first few weeks as the new kid in high school, I showed up wearing a similar outfit to our 60 year old English teacher (tomato red turtleneck with purple polka dots, so pretty noticeable), and she announced we were twins to the class. I stopped wearing it not long after that moment. Thinking about it now, I wish I still owned the turtleneck.
In terms of hats, get a wool knit cap for the winters and a cotton knit cap for the summers. It's eccentric enough on a middle aged man that no one will easily peg you as part of a certain social group.
How is a cotton knit cap going to keep the sun off my face and neck?
I'm not an expert, but I think that's crochet.
Anyone here who hasn't seen JNCOs before (although I never knew that was the brand name) hopefully did not strenuously argue that 90s fashion still looks totally normal, unlike the 70s and 80s.
They can't have been that fashionable if we haven't seen them before.
Hmm...I was focusing on the top of the head. There's also this, but in cotton. If you get one in a bright color the effect would be more like this.
JNCO still just means junior non commissioned officer to me. (c.f. subaltern. stop thinking up silly things that military ranks mean. ) Those trousers are indeed totes ridonk.
Those are amazing. There must be someone on Etsy who can make them.
I remember JNCOs! They were really niche, though, at least in the midwestern town I grew up in.
I remember JNCOs too. They were pretty mainstream in my circles in high school.
Heck, Moby, we could have gone to the downtown hat store while you were here. Its best to try them on because they look really different on different people.
Failing that, I don't think a Tilley is associated with anything worse than fuddy-duddies yet, and they're durable and have a brim.
If Moby ends up with a hipster hat he can counter the effect by wearing JNCOs.
Everyone wear JNCOs to the next meetup!
I was thinking maybe REI or Outdoor Research.
87 gets it right. JNCOs were for the skateboarders, NOFX fans, soccer players (that's the countercultural sport in Pennsylvania)
Ooh, I have a few minutes to do fashion non sequiturs!
When I went to buy the traditional Xmas pajamas I found that all women's pajamas (okay, fine, a Target only, not as if I shopped around) are either built along this shape or cut to end mid-calf, neither of which is what I want, although it's admittedly smart of them not to cater to me since I buy pajamas at most once a year.
And "thigh gap" is obviously already a thing but is there a name for when your tights are un-fitted just enough that your thighs are sort of connected where they shouldn't be and it makes you homicidal?
I made a skirt following this tutorial over the weekend, which takes more like the entire season of Making a Murderer if you're sewing by hand and being pretty lazy about the whole endeavor, but that's still fairly fast. It's a touch too long for me to feel unconstrained while walking and I'll probably never wear it because thighs, but it was something to do and maybe my next project will be more practical. (Probably not because at this point it's this, which has no overlap with my build or normal style but is interesting. No giant bow planned.)
No bow? The bow is the heart of the dress.
93: I think that changed as far as soccer goes.
"Three Armhole Dress" is a worrying title. (Thorn is a Motie!) Though I see on closer inspection that you put the same arm through two different holes.
That dress was patterned before they stopped atmospheric nuclear testing.
you put the same arm through two different holes.
This is a family blog, ajay.
A Motie, not a Vulcan, because Moties have three arms while Vulcans have three ears (a left ear, a right ear, and a final front ear).
I know a guy who still wears JNCOs. He smells like a Hampshire College hacky sack festival. I suspect these facts are related.
94. Does anybody really buy pajamas more than once a year? I'd have thought once a year was pretty intensive pajama buying.
102: I have no idea what normal people do. I started getting the girls new pajamas for Christmas Eve, which is useful because they grow, and the last two years they've insisted I join in. It may have been the better part of a decade before that.
It's probable that pajama purchasing isn't normally distributed. I'd bet that lots of people don't buy them at all and some few people buy many.
And you probably didn't mean to use "normal" so technically.
I didn't, but anything that prompts Moby literalism is worthwhile.
The Freemasons buy up all the pajamas to keep them from the Templars.
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Umm. After Castock went postal, I picked up Leila Ahmed, A Quiet Revolution a history of the veil in Egypt, Muslim Brotherhood, Qutb, etc
Part of the ethos of the day regarding the adoption of hijab was, Macleod reported, that taking on the hijab should come about not out of compulsion but rather as the result of a woman's personal choice. This is an ethos that is clearly a product of the late twentieth century and one that unmistakably postdates the cycle of history of the 1900stothe 1970s and from unveiling to veiling. Before the era of unveiling, covering was just normal dress for all women in Muslimmajority societies, and choosing not to cover was not an option. As we will see in Chapter 9, the idea that women had to be personally convinced of the need to veil--an idea that first emerged, probably in Egypt, in the 1970s and 1980s--is now commonly accepted in twenty-first-century America. ... The pressure for women to wear hijab was distinctly growing. There was evidence, Macleod found, that women were being pressured not only by the men in their families but also by male religious authorities. Several women nowmentioned that they had decided to wear hijab because of their local religious leaders. Others mentioned that male relatives would cite the authority of religiousmen in their "attempts to persuade fiancés, wives or sisters to veil." In the face of these findings, Macleod concluded that the hijab trend was initially a women-initiated movement controlled and driven forward by women's own needs, choices, and volition. But by the late eighties it was increasingly becoming co-opted by men.
Conservatism = veil, socially enforced conformism
Liberalism, modernism = unveil, rebellion
Neo-liberalism = socially enforced conformism self-perceived as choice, internalization of authority
I don't read minds, so I can't say false consciousness. But since I don't read minds, I don't have to accept self-reporting as fact. Including my own introspection.
And my sixties self will always believe that the only way to know you are free is rebellion and alienation.
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Talkin bout alienation and rebellion, a little Jacobin post on Bowie and Brecht in Berlin
Gonna watch a scarey movie tonight, extreme arthouse Greek Singapore Sling. Are they mother/daughter, sisters, or lovers and why are they pissing on the guy? One of those...
"...the famous film Laura as performed by the inmates of the asylum at Charenton under the direction of the Marquis de Sade."
Hats off then to Synapse Films for unearthing this filmic rarity, and even greater kudos for the print they provide. Stunning doesn't begin to describe how stellar the black-and-white transfer is here. With nearly 2,000 reviews under his belt, this critic can calmly say that this is, without a doubt, the most jaw-droppingly gorgeous monochrome image he has ever seen. Cinematographer Aris Stavrou should be celebrated for what he accomplishes here. Every frame of this 1.66:1 anamorphic widescreen edition is like a masterpiece, the contrasts so crisp and detailed you can practically feel the edges.
Loaded with Laura to the fucking gills, as in cinematography and chiaroscuro, art and set and costume, I don't even know how to describe how much 40s film noir style is in this. Fairly clear to me that the director wants to show the intrinsic misogyny of film noir by making the most misogynistic film possible, with maximum craft and art. Feminists will literally scream at the screen. Evil.
Guy Madden meets Pasolini, this is not recommended.
The first half of 110.last is at odds with the second half.
