Re: Thursday Eve

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I have come to a decision, handily assisted by Facebook, that roughly 3% of the American public understands marginal tax rates. Seriously, why hasn't any progressive candidate rebranded them? We have GOT to come up with a clearer way of explaining what they are. Not "last-dollar tax rates" but something like that. Something that communicates what they actually MEAN.

In conclusion, Twitter forever!


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 03-16-16 6:57 PM
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Some NY rats' mothers are bigger than other NY rats' mothers.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-16-16 6:58 PM
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Marginal tax rates are not even a hard thing to understand.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-16-16 6:59 PM
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For the ultra-wealthy, the highest marginal tax rate and the overall tax rate are effectively the same thing, since marginal tax bracket is the rate that is approximately effectively all income. Not to mention, for any investment activities or tax planning they do, they are operating entirely with the marginal rates.

The wealthy control the national discourse on taxes.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-16-16 7:02 PM
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Wow I have no idea how that came out so garbled. Oh well. I hope it's still generally intelligible.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-16-16 7:03 PM
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I'm fairly certain that someone I knew in college had a pair of rats for pets that were about the size of that large one. They can get pretty big, especially if they're eating more or less constantly due to being high.

In the wild I assume it's harder/less likely. But still not insane.


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 03-16-16 7:04 PM
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I thought about linking to that Times piece, but it really doesn't say anything everyone doesn't already know. It's just coming from a doctor and in the Times, so...truth?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03-16-16 7:11 PM
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1: You set the tax rate at the highest marginal rate you want. And you call it a "flat tax" just to fuck with the people who want an actual flat. Then you offer "tax breaks" to middle class and lower incomes to make it progressive.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-16-16 7:39 PM
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That might not work, but at least it does not involve any photos of a dead rat.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-16-16 7:42 PM
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Unless you itemize.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-16-16 7:54 PM
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Very true ;)


Posted by: Impression EMEDIA | Link to this comment | 03-16-16 7:54 PM
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8: I'm sure talking about a "40% flat tax" wouldn't freak anyone out...


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-16-16 8:01 PM
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You need a fall guy to do that part.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-16-16 8:03 PM
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Anyway, who are you going to believe? Your own judgement or Impression EMEDIA?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-16-16 8:05 PM
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8, 12:

Moby, that is actually a very, very good idea. I think it might be able to gain some traction, actually. In Texas, I pay about a 25% tax rate, but then I drive around on toll roads and pay a pretty high sales tax, so in reality it's rather higher. If you could convince people that they already pay 40% in taxes and do away with all sorts of other taxes at the same time it might work.


Posted by: Trivers | Link to this comment | 03-16-16 8:14 PM
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While I'm persuasive, anybody want to buy a time share?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-16-16 8:27 PM
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I'm not interested in a time share, but while you're being persuasive about taxes specifically you might have a word with some of our state legislators up here.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-16-16 10:23 PM
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What on earth made everyone talk about taxes in this thread?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 12:38 AM
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THE IRS RULES ALL AROUND US


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 12:54 AM
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18: No idea, but it appears to be Witt's fault.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 1:06 AM
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Life continues to be filled with mysteries.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 1:20 AM
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Like the mystery that I'm cranky because I have insomnia and a cold and tomorrow is going to suck, and then the next day is going to suck, and so on until next Thursday, which I have off. Or maybe that is not a mystery.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 1:50 AM
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So, where is everybody? Whatcha up to?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 2:14 AM
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I'm here, but I'm about to go to bed.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 2:45 AM
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Goodnight.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 2:58 AM
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My crazy mom just got home from the gym, so I've got company. She wakes up at 3 am to go water-walking so that she can have a lane to herself.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 2:58 AM
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Like, 3:00 am prompt, so that she can be in the water by 3:20 am.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 2:59 AM
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Before my dad cut out alcohol altogether, they had a mutually ridiculous situation going, where he had to take his sleeping pill at 10 pm so that it would be worn off by the morning, but he wanted to stay up and watch TV because he doesn't need that much sleep, and then he'd stay up until 3 in this groggy sleeping pill messed up phase and cross paths with my mom getting up to go water-walk, and grumpy hilarity would ensue.

Now he does not have a glass of wine, stays up until 1 am or so, and just goes to sleep, and no hilarity ensues.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 3:02 AM
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But enough about me. How's grading?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 3:11 AM
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Oh, fine. It's fine. Induction proofs.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 3:13 AM
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Done!

My mom is still out walking the dog, though.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 3:28 AM
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She's home. Just so we're all clear: my mom wakes up at 3 am. By 6:30, she has exercised and walked the dog. What have you slackers done with the second half of your overnight sleeping hours?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 3:32 AM
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But she does go take a nap at 6:45 am.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 3:46 AM
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Halfway done grading number theory!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 4:00 AM
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(Different class than the induction proofs.)


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 4:00 AM
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That sounds like the kids are up.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 4:03 AM
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What time does she go to bed?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 4:08 AM
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First couple of years when I was an undergraduate, generally no matter what I'd done the night before, and often even if I'd been out boozing and was hungover, I'd usually be up before 7 for a run. Then home for a shower around 7:15, and then I'd go for a nap from 7:30 until about 8:30, which was utter bliss. That little morning nap after physical activity is fantastic.

So I always felt a bit smug when my flatmates would crawl into the kitchen half-asleep ready to go to 9am lectures, and I was feeling great.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 4:10 AM
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Last night she went to bed around 9, which I think is pretty standard. She considers herself someone who needs a lot of sleep, but she does take multiple naps throughout the day. Often strict 20 minute naps with a time, though. My mom is nothing if not disciplined.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 4:14 AM
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I personally think she needs a standard amount of sleep, about the same as me.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 4:15 AM
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Oh man, heebie, my illness-induced insomnia must have given out just before yours started. But this post was all about taxes, so I didn't blather here.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 4:18 AM
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We must have overlapped, because I was reading for awhile before I gave up and came downstairs. I'm sorry about your terribly short number of hours of sleep!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 4:20 AM
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I need a non-standard amount of sleep, but people keep making me get up.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 5:25 AM
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Mine wasn't as bad as it could have been if I hadn't been in bed the past two days. Just not being feverish anymore is great. Perhaps I can get some serious cleaning done today, because I certainly need to.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 5:33 AM
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My a friend in college had a rat. It was a fun little critter but it was not toilet trained and he let it poop everywhere, picking up the poops as he noticed them. I find this vaguely disgusting, but the rat was nice. It was curious and surprisingly intelligent for something with a brain the size of a peanut. It was white, but he dyed it pink for some reason, which the rat didn't seem to mind.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 5:36 AM
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Vaguely?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 5:38 AM
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Rat poop is little black balls that aren't quite as gross as people poop. Gross enough, though. I prefer not to have poop on my things or on my person regardless of source, but I'm a prissy delicate flower of a man.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 5:42 AM
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At least you're productive! If I wake up a 3am or 4am I tend to just lie there and unproductively worry about solutions to issues with my project, or worry about how screwed we are if Trump wins, or any number of other timewasting but obsessive topics.

Then I officially wake up to go to work and it is still dark. The first few weeks of DST are hell.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 5:44 AM
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47: I would just go for straight-up disgusting.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 5:48 AM
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We keep our windows open and have a problem with birds flying in to eat whatever is sitting out in the kitchen. So, bird poop in the house is a problem. Disgusting, but not disgusting enough to close our windows.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 6:37 AM
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I can't believe the pool is open 24 hours! What kind of fancy gym does she belong to?


Posted by: Miranda | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 6:38 AM
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50: Don't you have screens?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 6:46 AM
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22: No.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 7:01 AM
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No screens. They don't use screens in this country. Which is really weird, considering all the zika, dengue, and chikungunya going around. The local preference is to close the windows and blast the air conditioning, which is one reason the country has the highest carbon footprint per capita in the western hemisphere.

But we are on the fifth floor, and mosquitoes don't fly that high. We keep our big, sliding glass doors open and enjoy the sea-breeze, notwithstanding the constant struggle we face keeping the tanangers at bey.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 8:18 AM
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But we are on the fifth floor, and mosquitoes don't fly that high
Could you inform the mosquitoes plaguing my fifth floor abode of this fact?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 8:31 AM
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54, 55: Any entomologists here? This seems worthy of study.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 8:36 AM
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In our building, the first floor is called the ground floor and the second floor is called the first floor, so I guess I'm really on the sixth floor. Maybe that's the difference.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 8:55 AM
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Here is what Google says:

In general, mosquitoes that bite humans prefer to fly at heights of less than 25 ft. Asian Tiger Mosquitoes have been found breeding in treeholes over 40 feet above ground. In Singapore, they have been found in apartments 21 stories above ground.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 9:00 AM
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5th floor seems low to me for the mosquito no go zone. Maybe it depends on if there's pooled water on tall buildings.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 9:04 AM
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Assuming a 10' height for a single floor, that means Taiwan has conquered Singapore.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 9:04 AM
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Here is what an entomologist says:

The answer depends upon the kinds of mosquitoes present in your area and the kind of host(s) they prefer to feed upon. Let's assume that you're a human being (rather than a very capable bird with an internet account). Some kinds of mosquitoes will tend to fly fairly close to the ground as they seek to feed. These will likely bite your ankles or elsewhere on your lower limbs. If you happen to be prostrate on the ground, then they'll likely partake in a meal anywhere on your body. Yet other kinds of mosquitoes will seek hosts a meter or so above ground level. These may more likely attack you around your head, or somewhat lower. The greater the distance you are above the ground, the less likely you'll be bothered by these kinds of mosquitoes. There are many other mosquitoes that feed on mammals and/or birds in the tree canopy. You may encounter them on occasion near ground level, but you'll find many more if you climb several meters or more above ground level, or if you cut trees to displace the mosquitoes that inhabit those more lofty heights.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 9:04 AM
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58 is support for the theory in 59. You want to be at the top of a tall tower with nothing around you.


Posted by: RT | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 9:06 AM
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Oh, I forgot to quote the punchline:

Venturing higher than the tree canopy, and you'll be far less likely to find many mosquitoes looking for a blood meal.

So, if you're much higher than the surrounding tree canopy, you should be good.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 9:07 AM
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Comments 58, 61 and 63 brought to you by extreme procrastination. I should really stop commenting and do this work that I urgently need to do.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 9:10 AM
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Now that we've settled that, lets see if any ornithologists to let us know if there is technology that can keep a bird from flying through a window while allowing the breeze and mosquitoes in.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 9:12 AM
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The only thing that can stop a bad bird with a gun is a good bird with a gun.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 9:17 AM
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Then I guess birds really are dinosaurs.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 9:27 AM
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65. Chicken wire?


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 9:45 AM
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Is there predictive evolutionary biology? Like, people who have tried to quantify and be rigorous about what species might be our masters? Bc I think for sure it will be crows or parrots.


Posted by: RT | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 9:46 AM
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68: I haven't seen a study.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 9:48 AM
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60 is a nonstarter. Jadis would just petrify the rocs as they came in. Granted there'd be collateral damage from the giant plummeting statues, but she isn't squeamish.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 9:51 AM
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69: no species will even conceivably begin to dominate us (with the possible exception of bacteria), but when we die off (likely soon, in evolutionary terms), the world will belong to the insects. (And the flying fish, which will replace birds, most of which are going out with us.) 16 ft roaches, and armies of millions of ants the size of dogs. It will be horrible.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 10:01 AM
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Why are the birds going with us? Did we get really hungry toward the end?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 10:03 AM
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Without forests, most birds are SOL.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 10:05 AM
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16 ft roaches

Based on the size of the roach I saw this morning, we are already getting close. Good thing there was only one.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 10:07 AM
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75 There's never only one.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 10:11 AM
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74: That's what the Lorax said, but lots of birds live on the ground (admittedly difficult with 16ft roaches) or on the sides of cliffs.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 10:12 AM
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There can only be one.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 10:13 AM
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The decaying ruins of our cities will compensate while the forests grow back. And crows thrive in cities already! I look forward to a bright future of corvids dancing on my grave.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 10:18 AM
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Or pecking at my unburied corpse. Depending how fast the end comes.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 10:20 AM
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77: lots of birds in an absolute sense but not as a percentage of total birds. (Unless you're counting chickens/farmed poultry, but they all die quickly when we're no longer around to keep the foxes out of the henhouses.) I didn't say every bird would die off. A select few will likely evolve back into tyrannosaurs.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 10:21 AM
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I feel like flying fish are a bad pick for future mastery. First, the oceans seem even more fucked than forests. Second, fish have been around for way longer than birds or most mammals and what have they ever done? Never awesome like dinosaurs or eagles or humans. Basically the dumb mediocrities of the animal world since forever.



Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 10:22 AM
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82: as soon as they evolve some way to stay out of the water indefinitely, watch out.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 10:24 AM
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81: I expect that while the ants are evolving to be the size of dogs, the birds will have plenty of time to adapt also. There were lots and lots of different types of dinosaurs.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 10:25 AM
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That seems like foolish complacency.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 10:29 AM
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Never awesome like dinosaurs or eagles or humans.

Sharks, man.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 10:30 AM
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Sharks are done. The oceans will be for jellyfish. (That's what the flying fish will be fleeing.)


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 10:32 AM
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Alright. I'm convinced.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 10:33 AM
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Roaches are not social animals. If you've seen one roach, that's mostly likely the lot of them.

If that were not the case, I would probably have to move.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 10:36 AM
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72 giant ants and roaches

They will have to evolve a new way to breathe and a new form of exoskeleton to do that. I've got my money on dolphins re-evolving the ability to be walk once the "human-sized predator" niche on land is empty.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 11:14 AM
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That's what they want you to think.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 11:20 AM
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I had a rat as a kid. They are the perfect pets: low maintenance, hardy, sweet natured, social, intelligent, and trainable. Pictures of dead rats or seeing sewer rats still grosses me out though.

I also need two dissertation chapters by tomorrow, so I've been on the 1 every 2 days plan. It's amazing much you can write in 48 hours, given enough coffee. Anyways, I have 1 done and 1 to finish today.

More annoyingly, I also need a 3 page or so dissertation project "statement" separate from a dissertation prospectus.

All of this is for grants I am not super likely to get because 1) they are really competitive and 2) my dept needs to nominate me, but they probably won't because 3) I am eligible for other more area/topic specific grants, so they will probably choose people without those options. Also, the grants are due until mid april, but they chose a stupidly early internal deadline.
#gradlife


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 11:24 AM
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Dave, they will be constructing their new exoskeletons from our petrified bones.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 11:40 AM
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Dolphins v. crows seems like a reasonable competition. I think crows take it b/c flying plus can grasp with claws. I also feel like dolphins spend too much time with fish to become smart.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 11:42 AM
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Why do super roaches beat out super rats?


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 11:43 AM
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The age of mammals will be over.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 11:52 AM
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With more carbon dioxide, warmer temperatures, and more humidity there should be lots of plant growth. This should increase oxygen levels, making ideal conditions for giant insects.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 11:52 AM
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Mammals are too finicky. Clean air, clean water--without those, they're toast. Roaches thrive.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 11:53 AM
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Buttercup's no milksop.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 11:55 AM
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If there's one thing that rats are known for, it's being dependent on the clean water of the sewers.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 11:57 AM
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I have to imagine some aspects of the insect evolution will be accelerated in the nuclear fallout.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 11:57 AM
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100: roaches outbreed rats.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 11:59 AM
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Right, but they do that now and rats don't seem to be at endangered by roaches.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 12:01 PM
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The few remaining birds and mammals, clinging to survival in cold, mountaintop environments, will watch in horror at the rise of massive colonial organisms crawling across the land and bubbling out of the seas.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 12:03 PM
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I suppose of the roaches to go Damnation Alley levels of cooperation, no small mammal will make it long.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 12:03 PM
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104: All birds will be penguins. All mammals will be lemmings.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 12:03 PM
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Tigre, I know this is a straight line so straight it will probably get banned for egregious heteronormativity, but I have met far too many fish that are smarter than I am


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 12:09 PM
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You just mean you weren't able to catch the fish. But unless the fish caught you, I'll call it a push.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 12:13 PM
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I guess if they sold you some penny stocks in a pump and dump scheme, that would also be a win for team fish.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 12:28 PM
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It is embarrassing for ocean life that the smartest animal they've managed to produce is basically an evolved slug. The moment mammals dipped their toes back in the water the supposedly badass sharks were knocked off the top of the food chain.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 12:40 PM
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rats don't seem to be at endangered by roaches


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 12:42 PM
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109: That's pretty much the plot of his memoir.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 12:42 PM
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That was really gross, but it doesn't show the bugs killing the rodent. Just eating the corpse.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 12:45 PM
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The title said they killed and ate it. In the tropics, Ants eat live birds.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 12:53 PM
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Also, I'm so glad I opened that with my phone instead of my big computer screen.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 12:54 PM
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And just remember: they'll be the size of dogs. That changes the whole equation.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 12:54 PM
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It sure looked dead from the first shot.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 12:54 PM
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Is 110 referring to the octopus? Also seems like a good candidate for mastery.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 1:00 PM
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Since octopodes aren't mammals I assume not.


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I always believe YouTube titles are 100% accurate.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 1:06 PM
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She wakes up at 3 am to go water-walking so that she can have a lane to herself.

No one wants to share a lane with that preachy bearded dude. He elbows everybody and acts like he owns the place.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 1:15 PM
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I did mean octop*s and was thinking of species that hadn't spent time on land.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 1:20 PM
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I kind of wonder if Jesus will come back in octopus/parrot/dolphin format in the future. Is there predictive evolutionary theology?


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 1:26 PM
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Octoparrophin, just to mess with people's heads.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 1:33 PM
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Christ, what an asshole.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 1:33 PM
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124: What people? What heads?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 1:44 PM
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He could be coming back any moment, peep. Look busy.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 1:48 PM
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I just got out of a meeting with the Bitcoin people. Did you know that gold should really be worth $13,000 an ounce?


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 1:53 PM
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127: Really? The hour is getting late?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 1:54 PM
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Lastly, you who read; aye, you
Who this very line may scan:
Think of all you planned to do ...
Have you done the best you can?
See! the tavern lights are low;
Black's the night, and how you shrink!
God! and is it time to go?
Ah! the clock is always slow;
It is later than you think;
Sadly later than you think;
Far, far later than you think.


Posted by: Robert W. Service | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 1:57 PM
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128: That must have been an amazing meeting. Did you manage to keep a straight face for the entire thing?


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 1:58 PM
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I almost lost it when Donald Trump was being praised for his integrity.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 2:05 PM
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Hey - being a self promoting con artist is a type of integrity!

I mean, not the normal sort where good intentions or something are involved. But he definitely holds firm to his principles ("ME ME ME ME ME" and "MONEY NOW"), even in the face of having to pretend he sometimes has other ones.


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 3:58 PM
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"ME ME ME ME ME" and "MONEY NOW"

It surprises me that message could appeal to Bitcoin people, who are selfless and only want to make the world a better place.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 4:45 PM
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Semi-OT, but I assume people other than me have seen that picture making the rounds on Facebook of Hillary Clinton hugging George W. Bush, right? Most people sharing it seem to find it uplifting, but I assume if anyone besides me doesn't, I can find them here.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 4:54 PM
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Semi-OT, but I assume people other than me have seen that picture making the rounds on Facebook of Hillary Clinton hugging George W. Bush, right?

It's been mentioned in a couple of the primary threads. Brief discussion (and a link from Megan to what looks like an interesting blog) here).


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 4:58 PM
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136: missed that, sorry.

I wonder how revealing my reaction to this is. Are there right-wingers having a similar reaction? Is it "people who care about good results from politics more than decorum" vs. "people who don't"? I haven't been motivated enough to compare that photo to her and a war criminal, but it seems fair.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 5:11 PM
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I kind of wonder if Jesus will come back in octopus/parrot

Jesus is totally coming back as The Squawktopus.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 5:25 PM
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Most people sharing it seem to find it uplifting,

Really? I've seen it shared many times, always by people who thought it was basically disgusting.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 5:42 PM
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139: I've seen it shared twice, and each time it got no critical comments. I should be the change, I guess.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 5:53 PM
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The anti-hug thing is exactly what pisses me off. So now we want politicians who viscerally hate their opponents at a personal level? Or what? Maybe it's a lawyerly thing but it's actually totally possible to get on professionally with people whose positions you find contemptible and who you're working hard to oppose. Plus how many people have lived in the White House -- of course there's some mutual sympathy. But no it's just evidence of CORRUPTED BY ELITES because everyone needs to be at MAX OUTRAGE LEVEL always, in internet world.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 6:00 PM
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Somebody needs a hug.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 6:20 PM
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I do kind of want politicians who won't hug the worst president of my life.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 6:34 PM
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(Thus far.)


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 6:34 PM
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141 is totally amazing to me considering several years ago there was a conversation on this very blog about whether people would shake Bush's hand if they for some reason met him at a function of some sort, and I was IIRC the sole conservative sellout who said of course I would shake his hand. Everyone else was somewhere between saying they'd just refuse and saying they'd spit in his face. But even I wouldn't give him a warm friendly embrace (even if in theory I knew him well enough to give him a friendly embrace), and while a fellow politician doing may be forgivable it's certainly not a good look.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 6:37 PM
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Jesus, tigre, how many millions do i have to kill to lose your friendship?

Clinton has moved into the category: "My thoughts are illegal and I can't write them on the internet."

The picture moved her into the loathed category.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 6:38 PM
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The linked body language analysis showed Clinton was sincere and spontaneous in her affection, physically demonstrated, for that murdering monster. She meant it, it wasn't politeness, she really really likes Bush.

Typing slowly and correcting a lot, y'all apparently don't understand how much I hate Republicans.

I hate Democrats who tolerate Republicans. Repubs are fucking murdering Nazis with one foot in the camps. All. Of. Them.

There is nothing to talk about. Exterminate the brutes.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 6:45 PM
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They are so out of our league it's ridiculous, trying to parse their speech and determine credibility or motives is like trying to play basketball with Lebron James.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 6:48 PM
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148 should have been in quotes. Sorry.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 6:49 PM
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149: I watch they do, and watch what happens. Especially what happens, because even what they do can get slippery.

Apparently Obama wasn't President when Libya was destroyed.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 6:56 PM
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Discussion referenced in 145 is here (from 2007), continued and extended here (starting basically with comment 180) (second link is from 2009).


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 7:02 PM
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I even said then: "I wouldn't hug Bush (or Mugabe), if that helps clarify my position"! And yet I still took nothing but shit. For a theoretical handshake!


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 7:10 PM
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Maybe we should expect different standards of behavior from Presidents than we do from Unfogged commenters.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 7:25 PM
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153: Then what's the point of going presidential?


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 7:27 PM
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Didn't FDR hug Stalin? And Stalin was almost as evil as Debbie Wasserman Schultz.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 7:28 PM
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Clinton isn't President yet, Tigre.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 7:29 PM
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On second thought, the future clearly belongs to the ostrich. It's already adapted to harsh desert conditions and humans have wiped out nearly all large land carnivores, so that sweet terror-bird niche is wide open again.
And an ostrich could totally eviscerate Bush right now without having to evolve or anything.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 7:34 PM
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The mouseover is dead. Long live the mouseover.

Anyway, the old one lasted just over a year. I remember because I said it on the Saturday before St. Patrick's Day 2015.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 7:51 PM
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because everyone needs to be at MAX OUTRAGE LEVEL always, in internet world

God, right? I haven't followed the primaries or watched a single minute of the debates and it's been fucking great.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 8:06 PM
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I'm thinking of driving to Cleveland for the Trump Riots. It's been nearly twenty years since I've been to Cleveland anyway.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-17-16 8:21 PM
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Since this is the tax thread, I have a question. If the IRS sent me a notice that they need more information to process my tax return for 2015 and I haven't filed a 2015 tax return. Should I be worried?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-18-16 4:42 PM
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161: Kinda? I mean, there is a small epidemic of people scam-filing on behalf of other people so they can grab EITC very quickly.

Here's what Turbo Tax recommends:
https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tools/tax-tips/General-Tax-Tips/Identity-Theft--What-to-Do-if-Someone-Has-Already-Filed-Taxes-Using-Your-Social-Security-Number/INF23035.html

and the IRS:
https://www.irs.gov/uac/Taxpayer-Guide-to-Identity-Theft


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 03-18-16 4:59 PM
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"The Taxpayer Guide to Identity Theft" sounds like a self-help book for beginning criminals.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-18-16 5:03 PM
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Most eoe hate doing their taxes, so someone is nice enough to take care of it for you and you're gonna get all upset about it?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 03-18-16 5:30 PM
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I done know how my phone gets eoe from people.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 03-18-16 5:30 PM
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Goddamn it.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 03-18-16 5:31 PM
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162: Also, thanks. The second link especially was helpful.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-18-16 6:08 PM
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This is happening to me because I'm white.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-18-16 6:19 PM
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