Maureen Dowd should definitely start marketing her own brand of marijuana laced chocolate.
They got one that's no paranoia? That's one of the main reasons I haven't smoked it in well over 20 years.
If they do, they should call it the "FDR".
I don't think you can specify it to the point of no munchies or sleepiness or whatever thing you're looking to avoid, but I had the opportunity to sample one of the fancier strains once and yeah you can definitely end up with radically different effects depending on the strain (it's just that it's still pot deep down and there are going to be similarities between all the strains). I'd never smoked pot and found myself thinking about going and cleaning the kitchen before.
I can absolutely believe there are ones where the risk of paranoia is very, very low, and would require unusual circumstances to really kick in.
After I quit my job and move to Vermont, the plan is to begin product development for Spike's Doobie Blend.
My thesis is that weed is just way too fucking strong these days, and there is a market for people who want the enjoyment of smoking a whole joint without getting completely stoned out of their gourd. At least that's my personal preference. Like, I'd rather enjoy a glass of wine than pound a fifth of vodka.
I think that analogy breaks down given that a glass of wine is much less by volume than a fifth.
If I had just the right strain, I'd be giggling madly over this. Of course hybridization has been taken to a very high level; you can get your dopey pot, your house-cleaning pot, your chess-playing pot, your aphrodisiac pot. Have a look at the Leafly app, which is still in its infancy. It will become precisely as tiresome a connoisseur culture as wine geeks have cultivated, but this was clearly an industry waiting for a green light (so to speak). As I was discussing with the astute Minivet last weekend, one of the most fascinating aspects of it is regulatory change, and how it is already developing differently in every place that has adopted some kind of legalization.
But people seem to smoke much less at a time than they used to. It seems like in the 90s, groups would go through joint after joint, more or less consecutively, and now it seems like people take 1-2 hits off of a weird electric thing that I don't fully understand and then they're good for awhile. The latter is based off of a very tiny n.
I think that analogy breaks down given that a glass of wine is much less by volume than a fifth.
Sure, if you use the small glasses.
I'd never smoked pot and found myself thinking about going and cleaning the kitchen before.
What strain is this? My wife's birthday is coming up . . .
I'd never smoked pot and found myself thinking about going and cleaning the kitchen before.
What strain is this? My wife's birthday is coming up . . .
It will become precisely as tiresome a connoisseur culture as wine geeks have cultivated
But if wine geeks claimed that they were getting different buzzes off different wines (or maybe they do claim this?) I'd roll my eyes.
Eh, so much of a high is situation-dependent, and everybody's personal chemistry is different. Like any drug, fewer people might experience X or Y overall, but that's certainly no guarantee for an individual.
weed is just way too fucking strong these days
I continue to mock you, younger-than-me lightweights.
Wines do vary in alcohol content.
13: They kind of do, but the analogy is imprecise, which is why they're banned.
They claim they can tell the difference between wine made with concord grapes and pinot noir. That's clearly impossible.
But people seem to smoke much less at a time than they used to.
Yeah, that's my complaint. I enjoy the process of smoking. If you just take two hits off an electric thing, so much of the ritual is lost.
Passing the joint around and giggling with your friends as you get more and more stoned is a huge portion of the fun. But if the dope is too strong, you can't keep that up for any length of time.
I'm with apo. Man up, stoners.
You also get tobacco connosieurs, right? Presumably there is reality there. The smokers I know certainly have brand preferences.
Lightweight, schmightweight. I'm making the case for smoking more volume.
For the health benefits of inhaling more smoke?
you can't keep that up for any length of time.
Not with that defeatist attitude, you can't. FEEL THE BURN.
I knew a guy at school who got stoned for the first time at a party and spent two hours compulsively cleaning the bathroom. I want to find that strain and invite people over weekly. (Neighbors of mine had an OCD-afflicted cleaning woman who would spend hours past the time she got paid for, but hiring her would be unethical.)
I am told a tincture of cbd strain(s) with little to no thc can be remarkably effective at targeting nerve pain, without feeling "high". And dosage can be controlled (take only as many drops as you need). As a licensed attorney admitted to several fed cts I would not know from personal experience.
In fact, not paying her for the hours she spent cleaning was illegal.
Now Halford is going to yell at me for giving legal advice.
26: "I could be arguing in my spare time."
It will become precisely as tiresome a connoisseur culture as wine geeks have cultivated
As we were discussing in the other thread, that's pretty much the only way that the current culture of growers survives and avoids being wiped out by big agribusiness.
I don't know about thc levels and nerve pain, but I spent basically the whole time I had shingles high as a kite, and it helped. It also helped that I was in New Orleans for part of that time.
I need something that works for chronic ankle pain but lets you keep programming SAS.
The stuff that makes me want to play chess might work for that.
Recently, every strain is making me play Civilization:Beyond Earth into the wee hours of the morning, despite its objectively poor gameplay.
That might help me with my Minecraft play. I'm attempting to expose an entire ocean monument by walling out and drying a chunk of the ocean.
You need a cow, a source of sand, a whole bunch of buckets, and multiple diamond shovels.
Wow. I thought y'all were cool.
I spent the November before last 2014 I guess smoking and eating more than a quarter oz of 5 Colorado strains, and yes there are significant differences. It is usually tested and marked on the label or the Web and current pot can range from 10% THC to 26% THC, and though that is not the only indicator of how stoned you will get it is a decent one. "Flavours" or varieties of high were there, but not as pronounced as I remember from the 70s, I think because the high THC limits the amount you smoke at a time and some of the "congeners" have been bred out or minimized in competition for strength. As the market expands, more boutique strains will be bred, easily, because the tech supports many generations quickly.
But I only tried 5-6 kinds.
Ok, I'll bite- why the cow? I understand how you'd do it with the other resources.
Stupid ghost fish thing means you need milk to dig.
Played the new episode of Story Mode yet?
From what y'all are saying, ISTM that commodity pot-growing is actually unlikely. Supposedly the total acreage required for supplying the whole country is trivial (the number quoted in the other thread could be wrong by a factor of 100 and it's still a small number), so there's just not much there in terms of economies of scale.
More importantly, if it's true that highly sophisticated/subtly differentiated strains are not only possible but relatively easy to create, then there should be virtually no market for commodity pot. Come to think of it, if taxation is high enough, then marginal cost of manufacture is almost irrelevant: if taxes (say) double the cost of the cheapest pot one can possibly grow, and the most artisanal pot costs 3x as much to grow, you're looking at a total consumer price delta of 2x. That's not nothing, but it's really hard to justify the cheap stuff when even the priciest is only 2x, and plenty of better stuff will be 1.5x. The only way I'd see getting there would be if it were super-expensive, such that 1.5x meant a lot of cash, but in that circumstance it's going to be all taxes, and now the gap between commodity and artisanal gets tiny.
I do get that industrial growers could also play the "flavors" game, but then they lose what little economy of scale they have, and the price delta shrinks again. It's not that Big Pot can't exist, it's that I don't think it can really get *that* big. Unless that acreage estimate is just wildly off.
That Buzzfeed article has made me so angry that I can't calm down. I should probably switch to attacking the underlying work stress and see if constructive engagement is possible later.
25: From what I know almost all the suspected (and pretty much known) medicinal uses of pot are related to the chemical that doesn't actually get you that high. (The ones that are basically "no, you need the munchies" are most of the exceptions.)
Perhaps edibles are where the commodity growers make their play: the precise character of the pot surely matters much less in a brownie or what have you, and the cost o the other ingredients is a bigger factor, so maybe a Hershey's brand potolate bar is $5 and the artisanal one is $15 (just as a fancy chocolate bars costs 3-5X Hersheys), and the person who just wants a snack that gives them a buzz won't pay the delta. But for straight smoking, the exact effects are everything you're paying for, and why not pay some more to get the high you want?
But I should be clear that I haven't run any of this past hobo analysts.
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for the young neb, maybe
Finished up the David Stubbs book on Krautrock; will look at the Cope in April but I sense he is too much a fanboy based on his work on Japan.
Loaded up the hard drive with the good pure early 70s stuff; added some new Popol Vuh and Gottsching's "E2-E4" + the Eno collaborations
Stubbs is also overimpressed with the original challenging and difficult and will not understand that the Field Mice and Sarah records are the true revolutionary musics; I too once thought that Malevich and the Constructivists were the True Revolution Betrayed, back when I was a foolish vanguardist.
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39: No. Is it good? I mostly don't play that but will let my son know it is out.
Not to mention that edibles and oils are the most dangerous part of the pot biz. so they are most amenable to industrialization. Plenty of fires dealing with such large quantities of flammables.
I spent basically the whole time I had shingles high as a kite, and it helped. It also helped that I was in New Orleans for part of that time.
I sort of hate you for this even though it's not an option for me anyway. I'm coming up on one year without having had any flareups despite having quite a bit of stress. But to have been able to make that month or so more tolerable somehow would have been nice.
Strains ...just a random Colorado shop
"Alien Inferno OG is created by crossing (White Fire x Alien OG) with El Diablo OG."
Wifi is one of the strains I smoked. Solid everyday pot.
But it's crazy, and way beyond any artisanal wine work.
Figure I think 6-8 weeks to get a harvest, which means 6-8 experimental crops a year in every fucking square yard of growing space which means a basement can come up with I can't count that high hybrid strains
They just playing. Buy on price and freshness.
Fuck man, 1/8ths are down to 30? I gotta get up there again soon. Thought about last week, but the snow.
My brother works in the pot business in Humboldt, and he recently shifted from working for growers to working for an outfit that does oil/resin/something extraction. Lots of stainless steel and liquid CO2. Seems like a decent place to be, business-wise.
I want to say "give me pot that makes me feel exactly as I do when I take a benzodiazapine." If it's that specific, you can start calling me Cheech.
O.K., but LB won't like the pseud change.
or "after 1.5 strong drinks."
I believe there is a potentially huge market for people who don't want to get blotto stoned, but would rather experience an occasional intensity of high similar to that of a cup of coffee or a single alcoholic beverage.
I have a relative that lives in an area where it's medically legal. He's smoked practically since he was in college and he's as well-educated and professional as they come. Only recently did he discuss it with a medical professional, who decided that he really ought to think of it as medicine, be careful about the dosage, and discuss use with medical professionals. Apparently, when he's high, he feels much more motivated to do cleaning, cooking, basic housework, and planning the next day. Boring and rote stuff.
I went to visit him (in his very, very remote town) and he showed me some of the pamphlets from dispensaries and it really changed my mind about medical marijuana generally. I was very impressed with the ways in which they encouraged people to be responsible and offered advice on usage while at the same time being clear that they were offering pretty non-scientific evidence. They did have dosage guides that said things like "use between X1 and X2 amount for anxiety, but definitely be careful about doing too much which can make anxiety much worse" and "it's only recommended to use more than Y if you have severe chronic pain on the level of going through chemo" and "if you've done more than Z you really probably shouldn't use the stove just to be safe".
It's not medical at all, of course, but I think it's good to establish a common sense dosage range that's better than "if you do more than zero you're a bad person and are going to jail". And I think a lot of peoples' problems with the drug stem from not treating it like anything else and thinking about dosage. It's pretty common for people to write off pot after a single bad experience, even though usually it's because they did the equivalent of shotgunning several beers in a row and vomiting. With alcohol, people are aware of what sane dosages are.
No. Is it good?
Fuck if I know, but my kid keeps talking about it. He is currently refusing to go to the pool with me because he's in the middle of recording a Lets Play.
Also, the big news is apparently episodes 6, 7, and 8 are in the offing.
I'd buy an ounce of Spike's weed for some chilling with my homies. Make sure it's got good flavor, dude.
My first experience with the really high THC (after a long hiatus from weed) strains was embarrassing as I was at a party and I took all of three hits off a joint and then had to sit on the couch periodically apologizing to people who tried to talk to me because I was too stoned to manage simple conversation. It did not help that I knew barely anyone there, so it was nice strangers getting their first impression of me. One woman told a story of a friend who'd gone to law school intending to fight for social justice and now makes her career doing wills for people who want to leave all their money to their pets. This lead to a laughing fit which periodically resurfaced throughout the party, adding to the fine impression I was making.
I don't know, togolosh, I just started laughing aloud just from reading that and I'm completely sober. That part may be not your fault.
Speaking of having the social experience of partaking over time without getting crazy stoned, has anyone tried kava? It's apparently a thing right now, I guess? Like there are kava bars or something.
I tried kava back in the day but I couldn't tell you what it feels like because I was generally already stoned at the time.
I tried it and I don't know what the supposed advantages of it over more standard drugs was supposed to be. It's mildly relaxing? I guess?
It also shares with shrooms the quality of tasting worse with each mouthful. Initially you're just "hey it's kind of earthy but with an almost pleasant rich-black-soil thing!" and by the end you want to retch.
The Bruce Banner #3, listed at 25% plus THC that we bought in joints, and while beginning with just one hit apiece by the time it got to be a short roach and the resins were concentrated and the white paper was now black...one hit got kinda real.
Honestly I'm finding it harder and harder to scoff at Black separatists by the day.
Apparently, when he's high, he feels much more motivated to do cleaning, cooking, basic housework, and planning the next day. Boring and rote stuff.
Honest to god, after the last 3 weeks of underproductivity, this is the most appealing pot has ever sounded to me. I had a day where I had literally 20-30 minutes worth of work to wrap something up and get it out the door, and I still procrastinated until after lunch. Unfuckingbelievable.
Today I procrastinated, but I'm pretty happy with my afternoon, so maybe a corner is being turned.
has anyone tried kava? It's apparently a thing right now, I guess
Like for white people? Kava houses aren't hard to find here what with all the Tongans but they're not really open to the public like a regular bar.
64: Are you sure that isn't just one of those wacky Mormon deals?
That Buzzfeed article has made me so angry that I can't calm down.
Because you think it's inaccurate, or because it is accurate? I assume the latter, but wanted to make sure that we're feeling outraged for the same reason.
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So sorry about that; did you get the shingles vaccine? My father had shingles and it sucked so I rushed to get the vaccine when it became available: good so far.
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So totally not an expert but that sounds like coke-related busy-ness; is that really a thing with pot? It never made me anything but mellow and peaceful, but admittedly it's been a while.
Huh, I saw kava offered on the menu of one Portland bar. Didn't try it.
66: your assumption is right. (I mean, I don't know that it's accurate, but I have no particular reason to be skeptical.)
62: Ain't that the goddamn truth? Just came from one of the Jamar Clark rallies, which follow the non-indictment of the two cops who killed him. Such a fucking scam. It was nice to see all the young people of many different races out there though. I think we are seeing the growth of a legitimately left-wing Somali youth subculture here.
I know there are a lot of dancehall fans here, so I assume you are all familiar with Weed is My Best Friend?
73: It was nice to see all the young people of many different races out there though. I think we are seeing the growth of a legitimately left-wing Somali youth subculture here.
Cool. At least that's something.