I was considering a post about this. I really admire how they're using their profile to call for change. They also did it (unsuccessfully, if I recall) about the men playing on grass (IYKWIM) and the women having to play on artificial turf.
These women are amazing--they also protested the crappy playing surfaces they get.
I wonder if they also protested having to play on worse fields than the men did?
Who was the tennis guy who just said something dumb about women's tennis being parasitic on men's tennis? (Obviously, I follow this closely.) Such a weird thing to say about tennis specifically, where the women's game really is commercially reasonably close to as big as the men's game.
*wait, that's projected revenue gap for 2017. In 2015 they made much less.
Whatever, it looks like an ironclad case to me. Five gets you twenty the USSF will try and blame it on FIFA (and they might be right.)
4: The now-ex-President of Indian Wells(?) Tennis Club, which is also a place where Serena Williams was subject to awful crowd racism a dozen or more years ago, and to which she only recently returned (IIRC). IOW, it was about as surprising as hearing antiquated BS from the people who run the Masters.
Tennis and golf are sexist and racist. Soccer is only sexist, which is why all the city liberals make their kids play soccer.
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Seconded. I'm not a big tennis fan but women's tennis is much more accessible. At some point the Williams sisters will retire though, and I wonder how that will effect its popularity?
4: And that's been true for a long time. Back in the late 70s the womens' tennis stars were certainly as famous as the men. And that's just as far back as I can personally remember, I'm pretty sure it was true earlier as well.
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10: I'm not sure, but I actually think that the rise of tennis as a popular sport coincided with the rise of women's tennis stars. Not that there were none before (Margaret Court, surely others I'd recall if I'd watched any tennis since Jimmy Connors retired), but when Billie Jean King was followed by Chrissie Evert, everything changed. I literally don't think there's been a time in my life when the men's game was obviously more popular or compelling than the women's. That inequity has persisted under those conditions for four decades tells you a lot.
Because tennis was already huge by the time I came into consciousness, I can't say what the causal factors may have been. Was it better TVs that made the game accessible? Was it mostly BJK and the Battle of the Sexes? Was the sport gaining in recreational popularity* just as compelling stars arose? Was it some conspiracy by the USTA? I've really no idea, or even guesses.
*datapoint: my neighborhood, rather famously, was decimated by urban renewal in the '60s. Said renewal included big public housing blocks as well as big, privately-owned subsidized housing blocks (Roberto Clemente lived in one). They also built a couple of parks adjacent to the subsidized blocks, designed to flow into their green spaces. The one that isn't "my" park was built with a tennis court, designed in the mid-'60s, so long before the 1970s rise of tennis, and for an obviously non-country club constituency
12. The constant refrain in tennis is that men deserve more money because they play 5 sets and women only play 3. Gags about women being counted as 3/5 of a man are left to those who want to make them. As far as I know, women at the professional level would be quite happy to play 5 sets if the people who run the game allowed them to.
14: So, so stupid. I suppose Serena probably only works out 3/5 as much as Djokovic.
No, wait, it's better: do they pay men less when they win in straight sets? "Sorry, Roger, you should've let him dangle on the line a bit longer."
When a baseball game ends in under 3 hours, I demand some of my ticket money back, but I do hate when the ushers come out to make us pay for extra innings.
I honestly have no idea: do tickets cost more for the Men's Final at Wimbledon than for the Women's? I suppose I wouldn't be shocked.
Baseball games take too long in the major league. Minor league ones are fine. TV ruins everything.
All tennis players should be paid on piece-work basis -- some set amount for each time they hit the ball and it remains in play. As it is, players with great serves are way-overpaid.
I feel like the US Mens Players shouldn't get shit until they win a world cup too, the losers. Being like 23rd best in the world might be OK for some countries but not the USA. Money is for winners, suburban preppies who fail consistently can carry the women's bags for minimum wage until they actually achieve something. If you want to incentivize them they can get a huge bonus if they actually win, or make money through MLS or something.
I guess I don't actually believe that. But still the hype/results ratio of US mens soccer is ridiculous. Win or face shame, losers.
I guess I don't actually believe that. But still the hype/results ratio of US mens soccer is ridiculous. Win or face shame, losers.
When Trump is President, the United States will refuse to acknowledge the existence of any other football, and we'll send an NFL team to play in the World Cup and then we'll see how those Europeans and South Americans can handle being really tackled.
Women should play 5 set matches in majors. At least for quarters and after. I think it really hurts the women's game because there are too many random upsets and too few real classic matches. It's hard for a 3 set match to be a truly great match.
Huh, I'm a casual tennis fan at best but I'd say women's tennis is substantially more enjoyable than men's, in part* because of the 3-set cap so it's more watchable. And I feel like the rivalries are as intense as the men's game. But, again, super casual fan.
*yes, another part is "tennis skirts." Sue me, if you can afford to do so.
The men's game has been a lot more compelling over the past 8 years or so (say, since the Belgians retired). Serena is great and one of the best athletes ever, but no one else is any good. Meanwhile the men have three players who you could legitimately argue is the best ever and some great rivalries. It was exciting to see if Serena could get a slam last year, but it's also kind of embarrassing that she's that dominant at her age. (538's ELO agrees that it's not that Serena is unusually great, but that the competition is unusually weak.). But none of this is inherent to men vs women. The women's game was more compelling in some eras.
What are great women's rivalries since 2008? Serena is 19-2 against Sharapova, which isn't a rivalry it's a joke.
or make money through MLS or something.
Don't generally recommend it. The pay is shit for entry level and jobs are scarce enough that I had to move my ass overseas to make a decent living with my MLS.
24, 25 - I dunno, that all makes sense. I pretty much only watch portions of grand slams on TV and don't have a fan interest in any particular players, but on a match by match basis it seems like given matches btwn top players are fun and intense. The question of "who is the best in the world" for women's tennis seems very well settled, but as a casual fan watching matches that question isn't that interesting, and rivalries are intense and the games are fun to watch. This is a justification that relies heavily on not actually being a real fan, however.
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