Or so the ancient Greeks would have you believe.
I also don't really buy the "upper class men were not to be penetrated" thing. Because knowledge suspicions!
An adolescent image of male beauty? The same guy is going to have a bigger dick at 25 than at 15, right?
I thought that was just the Romans.
Is 15 supposed to be pre-pubescent? I think your post-pubescent size is your lifelong size, unless we're measuring nutsack sag.
The heart wants what the heart wants.
Well, puberty is a process, not a moment. I mean, I haven't examined a statistically significant sample, but teenage boys, even post-pubescent ones, generally don't look like they do ten years later. Smaller average dick size would go with that.
That's not really the weight-putting-on zone for most men.
Also 20 Fingers feat. Gillette's "Don't Want No Short Dick Man" is thus demonstrated even more clearly to be the work of a barbarian than we had previously believed.
8 and 9 belong in the weight loss thread, I believe.
Kid at camp at age 12 was called "meat" because you can imagine so I'm with 6.
I think your post-pubescent size is your lifelong size, unless we're measuring nutsack sag.
I'm sorry, ogged.
Havent we discussed that one's subjective experience is not necessarily the universal experience?
I think LB raised this issue before of when does a penis stop growing.
Maybe the ancient Greeks were all growers, not show-ers.
I was under the impression that in ancient Greece a large penis was considered comical and absurd. Also Comical Dong should be the name of a band.
Ogged, et al. 2016. When do dicks stop growing? An optical survey analysis of post-pubescent teenage boys. Journal for the Study of Pubescent Sexuality. 1(1): 1-300.
MH can get us IRB permission and funding for the study.
I don't know if that would get past an IRB. I do know I wouldn't try if I had to use my actual name.
I've certainly heard Ogged's theory before, I want to say I've heard it presented as a fact, but I don't recall and who knows.
Aside from what the article says, large dicks were associated with simpletons, meaning intellectually disabled people.
when does a penis stop growing
At 45 degrees Fahrenheit.
Anyhow, isn't Ogged's anal sex theory easily disproven (or disprovable) by looking at the preferences of current gay male bottoms? Could be wrong but AFAICT current gay porn is all about the big dicks. Plus the point is even weaker if they really were having thigh sex, because there's open space on the back end of thighs and thus confortable room for all sizes to get up in the mix.
I guess the OP subtly alludes at this possibility of proof, but I added thigh air space value.
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It certainly disproves that big dicks can't be pleasurable for anal sex, but small dicks could still be culturally desired for anal sex in ancient Greece. Female breast size preference for heterosexual men has certainly varied over time and in different cultural contexts, and most of these preferences claim to have some sort of basis in nature.
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I wonder how far could you get an IRB with a PI named "Lizardbreath"?
If anyone questions the validity of the name just claim they're enforcing Western normative [Firstname] [Lastname] naming standards and stifling the global university.
looking at the preferences of current gay male bottoms? Could be wrong but AFAICT current gay porn is all about the big dicks.
It seems questionable that current gay porn is a realistic depiction of the preferences of current gay male bottoms.
Sure, but I thought Ogged was making a functional argument, not a cultural one.
30 to 28. To 29 - Yes, but isn't the question why Greek statues show men with small penises? We're talking about ideal-type dicks both ancient and modern, not necessarily reality.
Greek statues aren't the equivalent of porn. Greek urns are.
"You know, Zapp, someone ought to teach you a lesson."―Leela
"If it's a lesson in love, watch out! I suffer from a very sexy learning disability. What do I call it, Kif?"―App Brannigan
[Sigh] " 'Sexlexia'."―Kif
How close is Utah to passing an anti-trans bathroom bill? If gswift gets assigned to the inspection beat at the Greyhound terminal, he could mix business with pleasure and do some research for the blog.
20.2 They did say I was stupid to pursue those graduate degrees.
20.2 They did say I was stupid to pursue those graduate degrees.
G Swift could look at dicks for work, but I don't understand how that would give us insight into the penis-size preferences of the ancient Greeks.
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If we threw in a toga party, we could figure something out.
Maybe I'll just hit the submit button once from now on.
I've heard read ogged's theory, and I believe this is where: Courtesans and Fishcakes: The Consuming Passions of Classical Athens
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Well, chitons for the men, peploses for the women. (Yes yes I welcome all your snarky comments on my lack of Greek plurals here).
in ancient Greece a large penis was considered comical and absurd.
LUCKY FOR ME, THAT ATTITUDE IS AN INCOMPREHENSIBLE RELIC OF THE PAST
32: Indeed, there's a famous poem about it: Choad on a Grecian Urn
Why do all old statues have such small penises.
I imagine the ancient Greeks were aware of the conundrum that I first heard described by Robin Williams: God gave man a penis and a brain and only enough blood to operate one at a time. Perhaps they believed that with a small penis, this would not be a problem. It would certainly be consistent with the "comical, absurd, simpletons" comments above.
Overprominent male junk probably throws off the nested 1 : √2 of the canon of Polykleitos (scroll down to naked guy).
A lot of scenes in Aristophanes are more comprehensible if you picture them acted out with huge fake phalloi.
KLEISTHENES. Stand upright! Where are you pushing your prick down there?
[The KINSMAN makes increasingly desperate efforts to hide his phallus, pushing it backwards and forwards between his legs as the other characters keep moving to try to see it.]
MIKA [excited]. Oh, I saw it peep out at the back! What a lovely color!
KLEISTHENES. Well, where is it now?
MIKA. It's come back out at the front.
KLEISTHENES. It's not visible here.
MIKA. No, it's round at the back once again.
KLEISTHENES. You've got your own isthmus, my fellow. You're pushing your prick back and forth more often than goods on the causeway at Korinth.
MIKA. The filthy bastard! So that's why he vilified us for Euripides' sake.
KINSMAN [aside]. I'm a godforsaken fool! What a terrible mess I've managed to get myself into.
G Swift could look at dicks for work
Make sure your online dick viewing is 18 and up because having the ICAC boys serve a warrant on your house is the kind of thing that makes a dude chuck himself off a parking structure.
I wonder how far could you get an IRB with a PI named "Lizardbreath"?
Request an OrchID.
Yes yes I welcome all your snarky comments on my lack of Greek plurals here
To reiterate an old rant related to "octopus": you don't need to get your Greek plurals right unless you're actually speaking Greek and people who insist on talking about "fora" and "octopodes" and so on while speaking English because that's the way they are pluralised in Latin and Greek are just being silly. If the Japanese decided that the Japanese word for "computer printer" was "purinteru", say, they would not then insist on pluralising it as "purinterus".
It is certainly true that the ancient Athenians found small penes more aesthetically appealing and regarded large ones, as ISTR Oudemia put it last time we discussed this, as being "for slaves and comedians". But I don't believe there's any surviving source as to why, so beyond that all is speculation. Presumably renaissance artists maintained the preference because they were trying to imitate the Romans, who were, by and large, trying to imitate the Greeks,
My extensive hermeneutic training leads me to believe that "impotence" here means the inability to conceive.
Or possibly inability to ejaculate.
IIRC from James Patterson novels, that's the sign of a serial killer.
Would it be bad to note that his name was "Platt"?
The article linked in 49 is a meased up situation. But I really appreciated the box at the end about suicide prevention and available resources to get help. That part was awesome! Way to go KSL.
Rance! Yeah, I know there are controversies about how to report on suicides to avoid encouraging others who might be tempted. This seemed to find a good balance.
Way better than ignoring the issue. I think the evidence is strong that suicide contagion exists. But there's no evidence asking someone if they are suicidal actually increases risk.
49.last: That's an ugly end.
I understand him doing it. Mid 40's, prosecutor, facing federal time for that kind of thing. "My life is over" was probably a pretty accurate assessment.
57: Are you thinking of adding a letter to that name? That's a terrible, terrible joke and was totally made in the office within minutes of the news breaking.
49: that's cool that the paper puts in the suicide prevention blurb -- do they do that for all suicides? They ought to. I am going to recommend that to my journalist friends.
Huh. Just scrolled right past 58 there.
Is it crude to speculate
Less crude than hilarious. You...have not much conversed with gay men about sex, I am thinking.
Where have you gone, Labs Fontanio?
A lonely weblog turns its eyes to you.
'Twas their diet back then. Very paleo-like. Everything about them was small. Don't over-think.