Re: Wisdom

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Miss P seemed unpleasant.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 6:56 AM
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Also Bishop Manning.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:02 AM
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I love the advice to become a communist in order to be interesting.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:05 AM
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Anyway, the 30s seem more sophisticated than my dad's stories let on.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:05 AM
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Maybe it's not so much advice as a fantasy.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:11 AM
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They really had ice and pajamas back then. My dad said there was a truck that brought one of them.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:13 AM
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6. One pajama? Would that be useful? or practical? or even possible?


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:15 AM
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5: it's my fantasy and you shan't ruin it.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:16 AM
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There was a door to the outside so that the pajama could be put in a box.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:17 AM
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8: It was a fantasy for non-rich women in the 1930s for one reason. It's a fantasy for you now for a different reason.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:22 AM
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I yearn to be wealthy and glamorous and wear bed jackets, and I do so authentically.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:28 AM
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The 30s were a big time for making insane fantasies real, be it bed-jackets or collectivization of agriculture.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:31 AM
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You weren't anyone in mid-century politics unless you had your own special jacket, ideally named after you (Mao, Nehru, Eisenhower).


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:35 AM
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Heebie can certainly do schadenfreude authentically, so I say ditch the Texas and hit that Detroit boarding house.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:35 AM
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13: Don't forget Mr. Straight.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:36 AM
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Churchill, of course, invented the onesie.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:38 AM
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Not to forget General Fullmetal, most decorated Union soldier of the Civil War.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:43 AM
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Topless clubs should advertise that the dancers wear "Gandhi Jackets."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:46 AM
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And old Yellow.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:47 AM
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So, is the point of a bed jacket that you need to get your upper body warm/covered while sitting up in bed with your lower body under the covers or it is so that if you're out of bed, you want people to be able to see your ass?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:57 AM
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I think the former. Houses were fucking cold back then.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:59 AM
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I think the latter. Houses were for cold fucking back then.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 8:01 AM
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Probably, but lets not forget that Donald Duck was invented in 1934.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 8:01 AM
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Feathers are warm. Eiderdowns are called that for a reason.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 8:04 AM
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13 Alas, no one remembers mid century petty despot Col. Bed.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 8:05 AM
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I'm sure he'll appear in a Star Trek reboot someday.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 8:08 AM
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Speaking of mid century despots, whither the reading group? Is Thorn ok?
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Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 8:10 AM
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She is a bit swamped, but we've been in communication about it.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 8:12 AM
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Alive but braindead. I have another section or two to summarize and then it will be off to heebie for posting, I hope in a form that's at least somewhat comprehensible to readers.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 8:12 AM
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All power to zombie Thorn! Don't stress yourself unduly.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 8:17 AM
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I found it a difficult book to summarize; there are enough details that I was torn between including everything that could be of interest to people here and trying to make a coherent narrative. The subject matter doesn't help, since it consisted of so many people reacting to so many other people reacting, leading to repeatedly changed minds and plans going awry, over and over again. Never mind that I barely had any humanities-style training in college and this amounted to the first book report I've written in probably fifteen years.

So if it does end up being incomprehensible, don't worry, yours won't be the only one. WWI isn't known for its comprehensibility.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 8:22 AM
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The delay's been good. I was about 2 chapters behind. Now I'm about 4 chapters ahead.

It occurs to me that Tooze's analysis is very weak on the role of custom designed jackets in post WWI politics.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 8:22 AM
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I like how much of the advice looked like "just wear pajamas and a dressing gown and get drunk on sherry". Sounds like pretty good advice to me.


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 8:23 AM
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I noticed that in Game of Thrones many of the knights, at least when they're not wearing battle armor, wear cool leather jackets. This explains why everybody is bogged down in a series of useless wars.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 8:25 AM
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The tone reminded me of Auntie Mame, a favorite of my wife.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 8:28 AM
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31.1 implies that you haven't procrastinated until the midnight of your deadline, contrary to the spirit of the blog. (And yes, it is hard to summarize.)


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 8:32 AM
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36: Cut him some slack for non-procrastination -- he's out of practice.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 8:37 AM
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Not procrastinating is procrastinating, unstuck in time.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 8:44 AM
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Eiderdowns are called that for a reason.

It would be rude if you eiderup.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 8:51 AM
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I've awoken from the dead to give you my most important piece of advice ever, heebie.

Spell my name right.


Posted by: Marjorie Hillis | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 9:13 AM
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Don't tell the neo-Nazis that secret or they'll try to recall the ghost of Hilter.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 9:18 AM
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Bit late now, Mobes.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 9:21 AM
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There are no instructions on what to do about preparing food without a kitchen.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 9:28 AM
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And actually, I think we may need bed jackets. I rarely wear my robes because they're incompatible with sitting up in bed, and if I'm leaving my bed for good, I just get dressed (often in cozy things, mind you. But not robes).


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 9:29 AM
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Bring back smoking jackets.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 9:34 AM
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I was working in a library during college and we closed for a week to do an inventory. I saw this book and thought it was great.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 9:35 AM
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I rarely wear my robes because they're incompatible with sitting up in bed

The ermine gets all crushed. I know what you mean.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 9:35 AM
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It's like you people don't even know what servants are for.


Posted by: Louid XIV | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 9:42 AM
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Last week I read Miss Pettigrew Lives For A Day, which is ridiculously adorable, and I feel that Miss P could have done with lots of this advice before The Day.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 9:45 AM
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You French take my throne and my consonants.


Posted by: King Harols | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 9:46 AM
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Says the Englishman who lost my second vowel. I don't know why I even bothered.


Posted by: Harold Hardrada | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 9:56 AM
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Neither do I, honestly.


Posted by: Edward the Cinfessor | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 10:00 AM
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51: Nobody asked you to bother.


Posted by: King Harols | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 10:01 AM
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Where is my jacket?!?


Posted by: Ethelred the Bedready | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 10:01 AM
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You were pretty eager to be bothered when I knew you, Harols.


Posted by: Willism the Conqueror | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 10:08 AM
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Christ, Æthelred, can't you even get your own name right? You'll never be ready for my bed again, that's for sure.


Posted by: Ema of Normandy | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 10:17 AM
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Yes, we really need to watch the spelling.


Posted by: King Cnut | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 10:21 AM
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I should remind you "Ema" that you're known as Ælfgfu here!


Posted by: Ethelred the Bedready | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 10:24 AM
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I have no idea what any of these people's jackets look like.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 10:27 AM
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So now I'm responsible for the diminished alphabet of your mongrel nation? At least Cnut was man enough not to need two vowels to start with.


Posted by: Ema of Normandy | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 10:30 AM
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I confess myself somewhat surprised at Mme. Geebie's perplexity, bound as all American women are to the quiet circle of domestic employments.


Posted by: Alexis de Toqueville | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 10:41 AM
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de Toqueville might have been an insightful writer, but if google image search is anything to go by he wore boring jackets.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 10:57 AM
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Sadly typical of the superficial concerns that have always bedeviled American democracy.


Posted by: Alexis de Toqueville | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 11:03 AM
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Georges Clemenceau had even more boring jackets.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 11:05 AM
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Which reminds me, I'm on Chapter 15 of "Deluge."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 11:07 AM
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And I dare say more misspellings too.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 11:08 AM
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Indeed.


Posted by: Georges Clemenceu | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 11:08 AM
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And more sexist double-standards about adultery.


Posted by: Mary Clemenceu | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 11:10 AM
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boring

Throw down, you bedraggled jumble of obscurely titled insignificances


Posted by: Louis XIV, connu sous le nom du Roi-Soleil | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 11:14 AM
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That's not a jacket.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 11:15 AM
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And you don't have the legs for whatever it is.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 11:18 AM
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You know what kind of coat that is? A coat of armour. The one I wore when I kicked your arse, 'Sun-King'.


Posted by: John Churchill, Duke of Marlborogh | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 11:24 AM
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Hair styles really haven't changed since then.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 11:28 AM
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I love you guys.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 11:31 AM
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I just get dressed (often in cozy things, mind you. But not robes). Bedjackets, robes, joggers: an eternal golden braid.


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 11:32 AM
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I'm glad my terminology is remembered, if not my diacritics.


Posted by: Karel Capek | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 11:44 AM
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Diacritics: The Modern Science of Phonetic Health.


Posted by: Opinionated L. Rôñ Hübbárd | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 11:53 AM
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Hübbárd takes it to eleven million Thetans.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 11:56 AM
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31, 65: I'm enjoying Tooze's straight economics chapters a lot, also the juxtaposition of so many threads at once, similarly the snippets of life outside politics and diplomacy.

As a a complement to Tooze, I'm skimming Peter Gay's Weimar Culture also-- T so far hasn't touched on the fact that just after WWI, there was a whole lot of very new science, art, and writing being made, much of it in Germany. Bohr and then Schrödinger were coming closer to solving the hydrogen atom. Bohr's institute was I think mostly privately funded and outside the very stuffy University system. Schrodinger was an oddball-- fathered a bunch of kids with different women.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 12:02 PM
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Bohr was in Denmark, no?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 12:05 PM
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I've got at least a dozen hydrogen atoms.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 12:06 PM
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Did you use any of them to dissolve your Nobel medal to hide it from Nazis? Because otherwise they don't count.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 12:09 PM
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79.1: Oh, I'm really enjoying it (although taking a break since I'm ahead and need to do Hugo reading). I just can't coherently explain it. Or at least without a lot of handwaving with "and then a lot of highly particular and unlikely things occurred in sequence."

79.2: I read a book on science in the Nazi period..I think it was called Hitler's Scientists or something like that that went into that. It's amazing how important German culture was to the sciences and mathematics (and some other fields like historical linguistics), and how WWII shattered its dominance (although that probably would've happened anyway).


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 12:12 PM
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79: Schrodinger was an oddball a playah -- fathered a bunch of kids with different women.

Heisenberg famously said that if you saw Schrödinger with a woman you couldn't tell who he would be with next.


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 12:12 PM
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You guys seem kind of vain, also that doesn't look like the most practical garb for conquest. Maybe I'll see you in Vienna, I hear it's nice.


Posted by: قانونی سلطان سليمان | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 12:17 PM
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/EmperorSuleiman.jpg


Posted by: Whoops, here's the nice painting | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 12:18 PM
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84: You could tell who he was with, or how fast he was moving on, but not both?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 12:25 PM
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Does that stupid turban have fiber-fill lining? If not, you'll be wanting some of this sweet fur.


Posted by: John III Sobeski | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 12:27 PM
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84: It was the bow ties. Schrodinger could really rock a bow tie.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 12:29 PM
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I must agree with his Polish Majesty: the turban is clearly a compensation.


Posted by: Sigmind Freud | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 12:33 PM
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It may as well have a nipple.


Posted by: Opinionated Psychologist on "Friends" | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 12:35 PM
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87: He was both particle and wave, IYKWIMAI don't think that quite makes sense, but what the heck.


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 12:38 PM
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79: Gay's Weimar Culture is a special kind of appropriate.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 12:42 PM
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79, 80: yeah, take it back you Trump! Niels Bohr was no lickspittle toady for the Huns!


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 12:44 PM
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And even if you knew whom he was with, you didn't know how fast they were going.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 12:47 PM
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Ottoman Tombstones:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8329/8131411106_ede6900007_b.jpg

Hairstyles of quantum physics, honorable mention:
http://www.kipt.kharkov.ua/itp/akhiezer/en/recollections/landau_90/


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 12:51 PM
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96.2: Landau and Feynman are generally agreed to be the 2 "greats" of the first post-quantum generation. Compared to all of the Feynmanalia in popular culture it's a stark contrast how unknown Landau is to anyone but physicists. I don't believe there is even a decent biography available in English.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 1:01 PM
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A physicist can never have too many Van de Graaff generators.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 1:02 PM
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95: Oh, if he was with her, you knew she was fast. You just didn't know how far he had got.


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 2:51 PM
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86 is magnificent.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 5:32 PM
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91: unlike me!


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 7:57 PM
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