I'm fairly sure that's the first time that's ever been said. I mean, I'd take Chicago winters over Phoenix summers, but I'd rather not have either and be somewhere mild.
I think I've said it about Pittsburgh, at least in terms of the water. And our winter is milder (by lots, usually) than Chicago's.
2: Did your city pass 1800 shootings for the year this weekend? No? BORING.
I sort of stopped reading the local news, so I don't know.
We aren't the hottest take, but we have the hottest takis. And cheetos.
My neighbors that I like the best are moving to Austin. I guess it's very nice there.
I think you'll find this Taki has the hottest takes.
3: The report doesn't say if he was armed.
I think maybe San Francisco has some Teutonic issues. Germans shaking buildings or something.
8: Going old school with the wood stock shotgun. Nice.
The Mountain West meets most of those criteria, although the water situation can be a bit sketchy.
We have the best conditions for three months. The rest of the time, we have soul-crushing damp that we hope keeps some of the Californians away.
we hope keeps some of the Californians away
Too many of them coming here as well. Somebody delete 12.
What's the flaw in NYC? I have been moderately horrified that the global climate change seems to be making NY pleasanter. Summers are a little hotter, but not terrible, and winters are much milder than they were in my childhood, but still freezing enough to kill bugs.
Doesn't Chicago have "ice storms"? I'm not sure what one of those is but it doesn't sound fun.
They happen all over the northern US. Precipitation when the weather is right around freezing, so you get ice forming on surfaces. It's not really that exciting.
I saw one once. Ice storms serves as a reminder that when you abandon traditional sexual morality, the youngest and weakest are more vulnerable to electricity.
We're really only bad between July and October.
There are ice storms, which are only really a problem if you must drive right then (or if you use electricity and live somewhere without buried power lines). Then there are hail storms, in which balls of ice fall from the sky.
I guess, come to think, the real issue is when you've had a hard freeze so the ground is very cold; and then it warms up to just warm enough that it rains rather than snows. Very cold rain hits below-freezing ground and you get a layer of ice.
They're really pretty when you get trees coated with ice; the weight of the ice can damage the trees, of course, but if you get a sunny day shining on iced-over branches, it's gorgeous.
21: I think it can happen both ways. The coating the trees with ice is more likely to happen in a situation like 17.
Trees have evolved to lose their leaves in the fall so that the branches can't collect enough ice and snow to fall into power lines.
Actually, we get more ice storms than actual snow here. Maybe once a year. It does actually feel like it happened more often when I first moved to Texas in 2000.
I also thought ice storms were pretty common in the south. When I was in North Carolina, there were a couple of them, one that took out power for a chunk of my neighborhood.
Where do they not occur, besides tropical climates?
Didn't we discuss this in an earlier thread, minus the ice storm subthread?
No, we get them, we just don't call them "ice storms". That makes them sound a bit more dramatic than just "freezing rain".
That's what we called them back in the day. I blame the Weather Channel.
I thought the difference was in the aftermath. "Freezing rain" is what falls from the sky, but it's not an "ice storm" unless you've got significant layers of ice forming on the ground and trees afterward.
The Mountain West meets most of those criteria, although the water situation can be a bit sketchy.
How soon until the Mountain West becomes "The West Coast"?
I would not object to spending July and August somewhere other than Richmond. The humidity is oppressive.
Where do they not occur, besides tropical climates?
Pretty rare west of the Rockies.
I was surprised to learn that Minneapolis is as gross as Texas in the summer, more or less. Except without excessive air-conditioning.
It certainly can be, but I don't think it is as bad on average across the whole summer.
What's the flaw in NYC?
Parts of NYC are vulnerable to coastal flooding.
36 is right, and NY gets the occasional hurricane.
"Ice-storms," as noted, are different from freezing rain, and more of a southern US thing. Chicago does get blizzards, so it's not perfect (hard to believe, I know), but those are pretty predictable and manageable as far as natural disasters go.
Doesn't Chicago have the country's most lethal weather event, which was a heat wave? It certainly can suck ass in the summer.
Yes. 739 deaths over 5 days. In 1995.
How is that America's most lethal weather event?
It doesn't appear to be even the most lethal heat wave of the 20th century.
Several hurricanes rank killed many more people.
42: Right. According to wikipedia, tropical cyclones are the reigning champions at killing people. The Chicago heat wave doesn't even get first place among heat waves (a reasonably close 2nd place, though).
This is an asshole internet debater point, but I think that heat wave is the exception that proves the rule. An event like that (not just the temps, but the horrible air quality as well) was rare enough that no one took it seriously and the deaths were in large part due to mismanagement. From what I can tell from local news, the city is way better at that now.
Ok fine, "one of the country's most lethal heat-related events."
mismanagement. From what I can tell from local news, the city is way better at that now.
Mismanagement?
The City of Richmond appears to be striving hard to prove that government is totally inept. Almost every single move is a disaster. Heck, they paid actual money to bring the Redskins training camps to Richmond.
Fortunately, we can expect fewer heat waves in the future.
34: Super gross. I was surprised to find summer in Minneapolis to be as bad as summer in DC. At least it's shorter?
21 is right: ice storms in general can be dangerous* (for like a day or so until the salt has had a chance to work, and only if they happen when there isn't much traffic), but a good layer of clear ice all over the trees/everything is pretty gorgeous.
Also Minneapolis/etc. summers can be unpleasant at times, yeah, but I don't think they're Texas level even if they are humid. There are days when they're bad, but I think what Texans would recognize as summer at all (as opposed to 'late spring' or 'early fall' or 'time to wear a sweater what are you people talking about?') is limited to maybe a month or so rather than a really extended period.
*I can remember a time when we had not freezing rain but freezing drizzle. That was impressively dangerous because it wasn't thick enough to see on things, but was definitely thick enough to count. Black ice on everything! It only lasted a few hours though, I think, because of how thin it was.
49.first: The clear ice layer on the trees is really beautiful, especially if it happens before the trees have lost their leaves. Too bad that that's insanely dangerous.
Also I think people vastly underestimate the value of a good killing freeze in the winters. And it's not just a one-zero thing: I remember PA having some killing compared to places where it doesn't really have a recognizable winter in the first place. But the northern Midwest style of winter really kills stuff off. As much as people here complain about mosquitoes (roughly as much as everyone anywhere that has any of those fuckers) it's surprisingly low given how many lakes/ponds/whatever are sitting around. The occasional early spring thaw and then back to freezing thing does wonders. It's not every year but it's frequent enough that you can look forward to it with hope.
Good killing freezes don't do shit for mosquitoes. The Calgary mosquitoes were worse than the Texas ones.
They do reduce ringworm and things like that, though.
They don't prevent them, sure. And Minnesota at least has a lot of lakes/etc. (obviously). But they do help a bit, especially when there's a 'ha-ha just kidding' thaw (or especially a late freeze) that encourages a some of the winter eggs to hatch and then die.
Here it's just a strict function of rain. And our rain seems to be strictly drought/flood. During a dry spell, the mosquitoes quickly disappear.
"It's not that I don't want to reset the Tivo with you, but I don't want to get bitten by mosquitoes."
55: Drought does seem to thin the mosquitoes; inland California has few and they're small. When you climb into the moister foothills and mountains they're more numerous--but those are also the areas with months of snow and ice.
14: I know, right? Keep em away so I can continue to afford my mountain house on my salary.
Chicago is really great as flat-state cities go.
On topic because I once saw her at an event where graupel was falling: The real racism is against white people.
