I thought the doors were supposed to stop things like in the first video from happening.
We sometimes underestimate the people's power, don't we?
You want a video?
Mark Blyth anti-austerity economist (?), Athens Live, after the vote, talks about Brexit at around 10 minutes
But start at the beginning, so you start off liking him before you start calling him racist nazi scum.
I like the first video, but my first choice of Brexit gif is this one.
Different Euro dilemma: do I cheer for Belgium, a country so dull I've never been able to root for them in anything ever, or Hungary, the scrappy underdogs with a fascist government?
Also, should England get kicked out? It is called the European cup, after all. Either way, we can all get behind the even scrappier underdogs in the England-Iceland match tomorrow.
Jeez, I am even more heartbroken today than yesterday.
Apparently Corbyn's toast. No, his heart wasn't in remain, but he did as well as Sturgeon in Scotland, maybe better. No, no one has a clue as to who replaces him.
I am still trying to figure this complicated shit out, but apparently the intellectual artsy cosmo "Left" don't understand how surgically connected they are with the Conservative bankster City warmongering financial right. They get a pass, and believe they're clean. Life is a cabaret.
One of the big complaints against Corbyn is that he wouldn't get on stage with Cameron and campaign for remain. There is a picture of them together and Cameron is smiling and Corbyn looks like he is about to throw up.
Opposite the pictures of Clinton laughing it up with Bush or Trump.
7. last: I'm curious. Have you forgotten that Russia is also playing in the Euros, or do you actually believe that Russia is a member of the European Union?
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Have you seen me?
Sorry to step on the thread before 40 but I'd rather not on the serious Brexit thread.
How's Redwood City sound for proximity to Stanford (and SFO)?
I'm not sure the other Brexit thread is all that serious anymore. People are currently arguing over whether we should let children vote.
11 was me of course.
Would be lovely to meet up with any of the commentariat in the area (fa, dq, nosflow, lurid and lourdes, Minivet, any others? And lurkers most welcome). I'll be free Monday early afternoon on but Tuesday evening and afternoon will be uncertain.
12 True that, but I'm still feeling shell-shocked and gutted myself and I'm a Yank.
Would like to meet up but very busy week and I additionally have plans Tuesday eve.
Before people think I'm just a callous asshole, I also am still in shock. When things get truly horrible though, I tend to resort to humor.
The reason his parliamentary party hate Corbyn has little to do with his politics. It is partly a deep personal loathing born from his 30 years on the back benches and the vicious little clique that he hangs with -- that and the undeniable fact that no party led by hims is going to win a national election. He is just fucking hopeless at convincing anyone that he should be put in charge of anything. If you want change or any effective resistance to the nasty gang of extremists who have orchestrated this disaster, dumping Corbyn is the first and very necessary step.
The second of Ogged's gifs captures very well the Corbyn approach to winning elections.
Project Jexit more details on revolt against Corbyn
Looking at the Jexit names and faces and trying to connect them to Clinton supporters. Same with below.
Time For London to Leave the UK Holly Baxter. Right.
Yeah sure, it's a generational, somewhat gendered urban rural all the rest kind of thing. Doesn't mean either any of the sides has a clue
Wait, there are two videos?
11: RWC sounds fine for proximity to Stanford and SFO. You'll have a car, I assume?
19.2 No car, figured I'd cab it. Is that unrealistic?
Also standby buddy pass flying is nerve-wracking. MCO-ATL is now no longer a go so I'm flying first to SLC.
19.2 No car, figured I'd cab it. Is that unrealistic?
Depends on how many $ you want to spend, I guess. You can't even take caltrain directly to sfo.
Also this means I'll only be able to book a place to stay when I know I have a seat on the plane. Very nerve-wracking indeed. I probably should have booked the flights myself but my professional pilot brother insisted this would be fine.
The video in 4 is really good. There's another one of Blyth interviewing the Greek dude...valafianakos (I made that up, partly) that's also excellent. They're both a little too self-consciously clever, but that's just theater criticism; they're smart guys who seem right to my untutored eye.
"valafianakos"
Varoufakis, for searching
Second 24. "The Hamptons are not a defensible position" is my new favorite line.
Barry you can for real crash with us sunday night in an emergency. Hour bart ride from sfo plus 7 min walk. Keep us posted
Awesome, LK, thanks. (Though that would be Monday night, if that works. I'm staying one last night with my brother and nephews in Cocoa Beach and flying out in the morning).
I don't think I have your number. Would you drop me a line?
How different this is from traveling around Europe, Turkey and N. Africa in my 20s. Just get town to town or city to city and then find a place to crash when I arrive.
My schedule is a horror show until I get a brief filed on Wednesday, but please post details of any meet ups as I live in hope and would be lovely to see you in person Barry! And if you find yourself in actual SF, particularly near embarcadero or Montgomery stations, let me know as might be able to pop out for a coffee or some such.
While you're in SLC, go steal a car. If you get caught, you can use your one phone call for a cop, a lawyer, or a philosopher.
I would also enjoy meeting Barry and echo dq's words regarding being near Embarcadero or Montgomery.
It's useful up until Blyth gets into talking about "Trumpism" and is apparently of the belief that it's a "revolt against technocracy." I don't think he grasps what "Trumpism" is at all. Neo-fascism and/or proto-fascism is never a "revolt against technocracy" (whether or not it exploits supposedly "anti-Establishment" sentiment), and anyone who isn't a total sap should be able to get that basic detail right.
nosflow are you in or near eno tekram?
That seems uncharitable to a spoken answer. Unless you think there's just no solution to flare-ups of xenophobia and racism, then you can look to how the things that lead to it have been managed. And if the technocrats have been in charge (that seems uncontroversial), you can see the current flare-up as a revolt against technocracy. I mean, I don't think people are mad *about* technocracy, but I understand what I think he meant to say.
I dunno. I think it should not be that hard, in spoken or written format, to differentiate racism exacerbated by circumstance or policy from actual revolts against bad policy decisions, and to not confuse the first with the second. Particularly true of Trumpism, which as much as anything is linked to white supremacist resentment of a Black President's ability to successfully correct for bad policy decisions, and become popular in so doing.
Yeah, I could be wrong and he might really think it's about technocracy. You should tweet at him!
I agree in that I doubt Trump wouldt be the nominee now if Obama and Biden had switched their places on the ticket, for example.
37: Blyth is v, overrated. Does not "get" me at all. Sad!
I, of course, disagree with LC and Moby, inchoately and ineffectively.
How American Politics Went Insane Jonathan Rauch. I skimmed it, too fucking long and a little bit middlin,' but I noticed this toward the end:"Disruption in politics and dysfunction in government reinforce each other. Chaos becomes the new normal."
I keep looking at Trump at a Scot golfcourse after a terrible week, and I keep looking at fucking Farage and Boris Johnson and this ain't your grandaddy's fascism, all Rudy Heydrich spit and polish.
This is killer clowns. Sersly.
I could spend too long elaborating this theory, but "Chaos becomes the new normal." is close enough, especially when my ideological gripping hand is batting away the flies. Nobody else can get a grip either, but this isn't anybody's fucking plan. It's a condition.
Oh hell, I'll link this from New Inquiry Sunday Reading compiled by zugzwangmugwump:
When Being Racist Doesn't Matter
"I came from a working class Afro-Caribbean home where my grandparents arrived in north London around 1947 with only the clothes on their back. In this way I am the vindication of the liberal globalised meritocratic vision where each generation gets opportunities and climbs up the ladder so far that the memories of a grandfather being called a coon have faded into black and white pathe nothingness."
In case the title misinformed
It isn't chaos all around. Clinton seems to be doing fine. Not perfect, but very well by any standard of recent history.
nosflow are you in or near eno tekram?
That depends on the limits you place on "near", but my inclination is to say "no". I am much closer to being in or near rekcorc airellag.
The internet of things means buildings will be able to google themselves.
Not as long as we keep spelling things backward! Or with slashes inside.
The implication, now made explicit, was that the buildings would google themselves spelled properly, making reverse spelling a check against that.
Only until some startup develops SmartBuildings.
(Making things explicit is a time-honored tradition at this point.)
I see teo has moved on to making our time-honored traditions explicit.
Also in the neighborhood: buildings that will rickroll you.
Sadly I did get a stand by seat on my SFO leg so I'll be going to NY instead. Maybe next year.
As a partial carbon offset for all this flying you're doing, if you give me $5, I'll plant a tree in Israel or within 500 yards of where somebody Jewish lives.
Or at the very least, somebody monotheistic.
None of the monotheistic religions are very keen on trees. The Torah explains that trees are the source of all the evil in the world, the Bible includes an incident where Jesus gets pissed off at a tree and curses it for no obvious reason, and the Koran seems to think that trees will participate enthusiastically in the mass slaughter of Jews (though to be fair it regards this as a point in the trees' favour).
I thought the fig tree got cursed because it was lazy and useless (no figs), but I'm willing to explore the idea that it was plotting to kill on the Jews before Jesus stopped it.
Cursing a tree for being lazy is a pretty bizarre thing to do.
Getting rid of fruit trees that don't produce fruit is pretty much standard procedure in agriculture. And, if you can do it by cursing, it's so much less effort than the other ways.
It's even weirder. It was cursed for not having figs, but that wasn't because it was lazy or useless, it's because "it was not the season for figs."
According to Wikipedia, fig trees produce some kind of bud before they produce a fig. So you can know there will be no fruit once it is season if you see "nothing but leaves."
54: Christmas trees do pretty well. And the cedars of Lebanon get a decent press in various canonical books. But yeah, tree worshiping not so cool with all-powerful beings.
From my limited knowledge I would guess that Buddhism is probably the most pro-tree of the major faiths, because it was founded under one. But I'm prepared to believe that there are even more pro-tree faiths among the smaller animist religions.
57. Context, context. Here is a guy who is on the verge of launching a political provocation that he knows will almost certainly end with him being tortured to death, and very likely a lot of his friends too. He is hungry, he fancies a snack. Oh, look, a fruit tree! But there are no fruit on it? "Well, fuck you too, then!"
I suppose the Norse pantheon has Yggdrasil, and Shinto has a relationship with trees:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorishiro#Trees
61: I think Christmas trees are more of a pagan leftover than anything monotheistic.
almost certainly end with him being tortured to death
Nailed up on a tree.
It was cursed for not having figs, but that wasn't because it was lazy or useless, it's because "it was not the season for figs."
Christ, what an asshole.
My apple trees never flowered this year, just went straight to leaves. But I think that's because a bunch of moths ate the initial buds and I didn't nuke them with pesticide until it was too late for the trees to flower. I guess you could consider it cursing the caterpillars when I was spraying them with Bt toxin.
Fuck a bunch of fig trees. I grew up with 4 of them in my yard and never in 20 years did they grow edible fruit.
I once read that there's a tiny dead wasp inside every fig. I looked it up and it seems that is basically correct.
My point is, figs are pretty metal as far as fruit goes and maybe if you don't have the correct bugs, you don't get fruit from a fig tree.
On trees and Abrahamic monotheism, I thought Kaballah is big on trees, at least as metaphor?
I remember watching a sappy (pun intended) animated video in Catholic middle school about the crucifixion from the perspective of the tree that became the crucifix. In retrospect, holy shit that is weird and alarming.
Also, if ever you find yourself in tropical Asia and see at a fruit stall glistening piles of great big glossy figs, you are in fact seeing these things. Which are not without virtue, but are not figs either.
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The best Brexit video is the one I posted of my cat falling and/or leaping enthusiastically (depending on your perspective) out of his cat tree hammock in pursuit of his toy mouse. He ends up on his feet, but without the mouse. It's an allegory for the ages, I tell you.
I should see if I can put it on Flickr.
I think there was some connection between the Ogham alphabet and various trees, but it's hard to know what the mythic significance, if any, was because of the accreted layers of woo. ("Celtic tree ogham horoscope birth month" and similar bullshit.)
78: I thought that each Ogham character is named after a species of tree, and that's not woo, but anything more detailed than that is suspect. I thought that was also true of Germanic runes but upon looking it up I see that some characters are named after trees, but not all.
So the traditional Celtic lore about which type of wood makes a good wand for which wizard is all bunk?
51, 55: Sorry to hear that, Barry. I guess we'll all have to go to Arrakis.
Decorative trees also slammed in Jeremiah 10.
Or just arbitrage and meet in Knifecrime.
There is always Knifecrime but I think I will try next year only it won't be on a stand by buddy pass.
I'm hoping to take a trip out of North America next year, but it'll probably be New Zealand not Knifecrime. Or, more likely, I won't have the savings for anything like that because rent.
I have scuttled a poorly-planned overseas trip for this weekend because there is $0.00 available cash, and I am in such a bad mood over it, it's a little frightening. I yelled at my laptop Friday. I am still torturing myself over maybe finding a last-minute ticket for $800 more imaginary dollars. We could have a meetup during my forced staycation over the three-day weekend, but that would also cost money. Maybe I can hold a fucking bake sale. Is it possible to make lemon-ginger pastries that are good?
My wife and I were thinking of a late summer trip to Ireland but The Free And Independent Knifecrimic Kingdom is looking more and more attractive, cost-wise.
Lemon-ginger pastries sound so amazing it's hard to imagine ones that wouldn't be good! (I'm currently wasting a vacation day on a feverish and needy but not sleepy child. It is at least cheap, I suppose.)
Iceland v England has been more interesting in the first 10 minutes than the last five matches I watched.
Is it possible to make lemon-ginger pastries that are good?
Yes.
88 was me forgetting to remember personal info. Sorry!
Lemon and ginger pastries should be almost impossible to do badly, I would think.
Lemony sugar cookies with little bits of candied ginger in them are the best thing ever, although I admit I've never made them, only bought them.
If I were inventing a lemon ginger pastry, I would probably do a ginger-cookie tart crust, and fill it with lemon curd.
But as a person who does not at this point in time have access to a functioning kitchen, I find this conversation profoundly alienating.
You could find a Marxist Baking Consultant.
74: It was a dogwood tree.
My recollection is more like yours than the legends that Google is providing me. In my memory, it was the tree that decided it no longer wanted to grow straight and tall - not God who made the decision. (If you think about it, the version I remember makes more sense - after all, God made the tree in the first place, right?)
