Yeah it is all over right-wing sites. They are overjoyed. Scott Adams thinks the election is all over.
Hmm. If she has to step back in favour of some other Democrat...the Republicans still have to run Donald Trump.
Antibiotics will fix that, but they won't fix Trump.
4: Are we sure? Maybe with some strong anti-virals?
2 gets it right. Isn't everyone on both sides in this election terrified that the other party will somehow replace their candidate with someone who isn't record-breakingly unpopular?
Doctor says Clinton has pneumonia; diagnosed on Friday; not exactly what they said a few hours ago. Possibly worse than Clinton being frail/getting sick is all the lying people have been doing about it for months or years.
Numbers at the bottom of the article look like she should have been competing in Rio.
"She received her most recent physical exam on March 21, 2015, according to the the statement. Her blood pressure was 100/65. Her heart rate was 72 and her EKG was normal. Her total cholesterol was 195, with an LDL ("bad cholesterol") of 118, and an
HDL ("good cholesterol") of 64 and triglycerides of 69."
Sure, doc.
when you're being swiftboated with claims about your frail health
I guess it depends on what you mean by frail but if you get all woozy from standing around for an hour at like 0830 in the morning then maybe you're not exactly robust.
In general though I think you're too damn old to be president if you're turning 70 your first year in office. But I'm also not inclined to listen to this shit from the opposing party who put up McCain as a candidate at age 72.
11 yeah
After posting, I did a doubletake on "March 21, 2015" but I am told even for a 68 year old , two years isn't weird between full workups if they feel ok. Not great, though.
Release records, shit. I don't trust Trump's or Clinton's personal doctors this year.
Look, she croaks in February she is was and always will be the First Woman elected President of the US of A. Fuck yeah, she and crew have incentives to lie. And Kaine will have a nice honeymoon.
Trump is a year older than Clinton. Why is it her age that is the issue?
Between this and her "deplorables" comment (which wasn't good politics, but relatable on a human level) I'm feeling a fair amount of sympathy for Clinton this weekend.
I had no problem with the "deplorables" comment, but then, I wouldn't.
That's what we get for outsourcing our politics to the Boomers again. Tell me why all the candidates are over 70 again (except Cruz, which isn't encouraging)?
Excuse my hyperbole. The four main candidates would be 46, 69, 70, and 75 on inauguration day.
Gary Johnson's a Republican, and he's only 63!
Between this and her "deplorables" comment (which wasn't good politics, but relatable on a human level)
I thought the deplorables comment was going down as a net win?
22: I should hope so. It's not like she was saying something outre that hasn't been a known fact about the Donald's base for months.
Need a more youthful-appearing candidate? Johnson Weld.
I thought the deplorables comment was a pretty accurate description of the lay of the land.
As was the bitter clinger observation.
I hope they've done a proper toxicology screen. Her opponent has a best mate whose hobby is poisoning presidential candidates.
I'm sure her team has access to the best medical specialists money can buy. Who are admittedly vastly more expensive here than anywhere else in world, but still, if anyone can pay for them it's the Clinton campaign.
And I'm sure they're particularly sensitive to the health risks of irritating the Russians, since that's been kind of a thing lately in the campaign.
NYT headline in their best Clinton coverage style: "Pneumonia can be serious for people age 65 or older. Mrs. Clinton is 68." Two factual statements put side by side to imply something for which they have no evidence (that it is serious in her case.) Those questions and clouds and shadows aren't going to raise themselves you know.
My hunch is that Clinton is just pushing herself too hard. Trump's turpitude works for him here, flabby bastard that he is. Doubt he gets out of bed to campaign if he's feeling even slightly sub-par.
Requiring candidates to publish medical details is just awful. Of a piece with US companies requiring drug tests of employees. What is anyone hoping to find?
34.2: being physically fit hardly correlates with being a good president. The second greatest president in US history was virtually paraplegic, and the second worst was in the top 1% fitness for men of his age. In fact a general heuristic of "vote for the crock" would probably give good results more often than not (exceptions: Clinton-Bush, Clinton-Dole).
Actually the deplorables thing reminds me of the bloke who flew his Hawker Hunter under Tower Bridge, under the influence of walking pneumonia and prescription drugs.
The bit on CNN that I saw about the "deplorables" comment had the host asking a panel if the comment was elitist, an insider view. Whether a large fraction of Trump supporters are racist is not on-point to our professional press.
I like Josh Marshall's take on "deplorables."
In general, I think Hillary has done a solid job of accurately describing Trump and his supporters. Trump has done America the favor of doffing the Republican mask of basic decency, but there was always a danger that Hillary was going to fail to acknowledge this fact because of a misplaced desire for decorum.
What I'm reading is giving me the opposite impression from that in 10.1 - she's been on the campaign trail for over a year, a punishing schedule for almost that long, she kept up her full schedule Friday even after the diagnosis and attended the event Sunday morning, so overall she's been pushing herself to the limit in a way betraying if anything how robust she is for her age.
39 is obviously right, but won't prevent anybody spinning it otherwise.
the deplorables thing reminds me of the bloke who flew his Hawker Hunter under Tower Bridge
Hillary's saving that for just before the second debate.
Apparently other folks on her campaign have gotten pneumonia in the last couple of weeks, so the diagnosis wouldn't have been a surprise.
It's not surprising, either, that our worthless media is obsessed with her not having told them on Friday, or even in the first minutes of her episode on Sunday. Like their obsession with whether she was having press conferences with them.
39 matches my impression. And, thinking about it, not only is Clinton ambitious (and proud), she has good reason to feel like she has to prove something. . .
I'm serious when I say that this weekend made me feel a different sort of sympathy for Clinton. I had, subliminally, somewhat bought in to the idea that, "Clinton has a clear field ahead of her, she just has to avoid screwing up." But this week, from the Matt Lauer interview to pneumonia, is a reminder that, "just don't screw up " still takes a tremendous amount of work. And that, by this point at least, I do have to feel like that's work on behalf of my interests -- it's very important that she do well.
I really hope she gave pneumonia to Matt Lauer.
This may be wishful thinking, but I think it's possible that there could be a public backlash against the media for abusing Hillary for getting sick.
Incidentally, I looked up both Trump's and Clinton's personal physicians of record on ProPublica's Prescriber Checkup. Both are there but their prescription habits are quite ordinary - I was wondering if Trump's was a high-class pill-mill, but no evidence. Of course Propublica just has Medicare and maybe some commercial prescription data.
If she doesn't cough right in the face of every journalist interviewing her, she's missing her best shot ever.
I was wondering if Trump's was a high-class pill-mill, but no evidence
The evidence doesn't suggest he's a high class anything.
Today is actually freaking me the fuck out a bit (in addition to irritation and free-floating hatred generated by things like 42.last--press not in the know for *90* minutes; Oh my!) The freaking out part is seeing much of the press working very hard to normalize" and the fact that he did not go full psychopath on the illness response. Trump and campaign standing up for the little people against the scornful mockery of the elites. Good hard-working Americans made to feel bad about themselves much more relate-able for the Chuck Todds of the world than the legitimate fears of immigrants, people of color and others about a possible Breitbart-fueled Trump presidency. (And beyond just this stupid election, even with a Dem victory, that mode of thinking further cemented into the mainstream.)
Your powers of observation remain unabated I see. How's that working out for you?
Not well as far the whole achieving great wealth thing. Very well on the haven't been hit by a car thing.
The linked twitter account was new to me. It's worth following if only to keep a finger on just what that side of this business is like.
I was at first annoyed at her partial walk-back but I've come around. She's rather cleverly pushed the conversation past what kind of people they are and onto haggling over the price.
Yeah, she's not backing down on the overall "basket of deplorables" framing, she just seems open to arguing over the size of the basket. I think Josh Marshall is right that this ultimately hurts Trump.
Not sure if this is the random politics/economics thread, but apparently the economy in 2015 was extremely good for pretty much everyone: https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2016/09/13/income-poverty-and-health-insurance-united-states-2015
I was ASSURED that there was no reason to be concerned about this election because HRC was going to blow Trump away in historically unprecedented fashion. I WAS ASSURED OF THIS. What the fuck is going on.
Shutupshutupshutupshutup.
Or to put it another way, yeah, I was a lot more confident a month ago. I still think she's going to win, but I'm not nearly as breezy about it as I was.
You should both move to Ohio. The voter registration deadline is 10/11.
I'm going to have a job-switching vacation at the end of October -- I'm considering going to Ohio to GOTV.
Don't forget to bring a filter if you are drinking the water.
My mother is coming all the way from Israel to vote in Ohio. Granted she could have voted absentee, but she doesn't trust our secretary of state to count those votes. Also she may have an inexplicable desire to see me.
Next year in Jerusalem central Ohio.
I think I should volunteer for the GOTV, but then I try to figure out what I would actually be doing, and I can't imagine that I would achieve anything except annoy people. So I send some more money instead.
Modern liberalism in a nutshell.
Hillary! Tim! Hurry up and endorse legalizing pot already, for God's sake. There will go half of the Gary Johnson vote overnight. (I am generously estimating 1/4 as being for antiwar reasons and 1/4 as actual right-wing libertarians)
65 I think the annoying is probably how it WORKS honestly; I can way too easily imagine a scenario where I 'm like "fuck voting, I'm tired" on election day and then someone comes and knocks on my door and I answer and snarl at them but figure "ugh goddamnit I guess since I'm standing up anyway I'll go vote." Anyway my job requires explicitly requires that I *not* do this stuff but if it did and I could overcome inertia, I would totally use GOTV as an excuse for a trip to the Atomic Testing Museum of Las Vegas.
68 cont though it is nice to have a job that offers an excuse for inertia.
It would be easier if more places that I actually wanted to go/that weren't miserable in November were swing states; maybe my long game is to build up Republican support in Hawaii so that I can go whittle that support right back down in 2020. What the fuck am I supposed to do about, like, Wisconsin though, really.
Pennsylvania is a swing state and it's not that bad, in parts.
The race has definitely tightened recently for reasons that aren't clear, but Clinton is still leading in polling averages, as she has been all along.
I keep mentally coming back to the "what's for dinner?" tweet where three people say "pizza" and two people say "kill and eat you".
Same here. That was vivid as all fuck, and really seems to sum up the country these days.
I've been reading Sam Wang's site in order to stave off incipient panic.
In the course of one of my preposterous research projects I have to read many random tweets, and I chanced upon one that said something like -- I'm can't believe anyone is voting for that lying piece of scum. It was a Trump supporter talking about Hillary, but it so perfectly captured my own feelings in reverse, I wondered if it revealed that we shared some common core moral belief, even thought we disagreed about everything else.
I'm super distressed that it's not a ridiculous blow out. I just can't understand why Trump seems like a viable candidate to so many people. The only explanations are mountains and mountains of sexism, partisan identity politics, or being a completely terrible excuse for a person. It's possible these categories overlap.
I think there's an aspect of being unmoored from belief that anything reported in the media is closely related to real world facts? I'm not sure exactly how to put this, but if you sort of think that "It's all bullshit", the credibility difference between Trump and Clinton disappears, and it turns into evaluating how they make you feel.
76 Keep calm and read Sam Wang has been my mantra for a while now.
How long can people live in such a fantasy world? Until something they don't think is true kills them, I guess? But most things they falsely believe- Hillary orders hits on people, crime is at an all time high, the US spends 20% of its budget on foreign aid- are just making their own lives shittier by making them unhappy about bad things that aren't real.
79: There are whole books explaining it. I think I still have some in my basement.
79- Even accepting that, I don't understand how listening to Trump can make you feel better. I want some guy telling me I'm a fucking loser and my life is shit? Maybe that's why sales of S&M gear are good?
83: Well, they've been thinking those things themselves for a long time. And Trump is also making vague promises to fix them.
But, basically, below a certain level of education and/or cognitive ability, the content of the news doesn't really matter so much as the count.
One story against Trump = One story against Clinton.
The only things that stop that from happening are strong preconceived ideas (e.g. an ideology or a party id) or enough knowledge to reject the story as bullshit before it can seep into your brain as "-1 for Clinton" or whatever.
Sometimes I forget that Moby has actual substantive knowledge about things other than Pittsburgh and Nebraska.
74-75: I still can't read that as anything other than Jill Stein/lesser of two evils message.
OT: the hotel-concierge suggested activity for killing 2 hours in Omaha is "visit the site of the college world
series." Nb- college world series not actually going on now and college baseball not a sport beloved of anyone AFAIK. I guess I'll just get drunk, be friendly, and stare into a flat void like the locals do.
88: I was including that under "Pittsburgh."
Related, I can't fucking believe that the Times finally spent some doing their own investigation into the Bondi bribery story, and the way they spin it is- some of the evidence suggests maybe it was innocent after all because there's no proof it was bribery. This isn't "both sides do it", this is "Trump has pictures of us naked and chained up in his bed."
Yeah joking aside I would GOTV in PA if allowed (1) to save us from hell and (2) for this weird grocery with a bunch of duck meat near the WV border. I went Philly suburbs in 2008 with a bunch of earnest Austrian LLMs whose door-knocking I am pretty sure actively hurt the cause.
Sometimes I feel 78 and sometimes I feel like people I don't know have been motivated by forces I cannot even wrap my brain around to ends I consider terrible for most of my life, why wouldn't they do THIS stupid thing too? This is a very liberal elite bubble take on it I guess, and also Texas is the red state I am closest to currently and (1) Texas political crazy is so crazy you can't put anything past it so I didn't and (2) there actually seem to have been some positive shifts there just based on demographics so I have been less freaked out than normal? Anyway I guess what I am saying is if your only points of reference are NYC and like, Plano, you've been staring at a baffling hellscape for a while so sure, Donald Trump, sounds about right.
This is dumb and wrong, and Heebie is actually in Texas and feeling what she's feeling and my mom the Oklahoman who knows from conservative hellscapes was like BEWARE, HE GOES AS THE DARK TRICKSTER re Trump way before anyone else took him seriously so there's that.
89 - maybe you should figure out where the Omaha Steaks mothership store is and go for a pilgrimage.
89 why is this still a problem, can you not find drugs/cats?
Look I found a downtown Omaha no kill shelter focusing on senior cats who, look at their goofy faces, Tigre, they're just ASKING you to yell at them.
I asked my local counsel for some crack rock and like 3 stray tortoiseshells but he gave me a blank stare and kept saying "College World Series Location."
Maybe the Nebraskan Bar has higher standards than you're used to.
97 well i hope this is the last time this useless fucking yokel gets to sign any of your pleadings
So other people leave their hotel rooms when they have two hours to kill in a new city? Huh.
Wait, Stabby, you mean your employer explicitly forbids you from engaging in political activity even on your own time? Is that even legal?
101 it's legal in this context--and appropriately so, I don't mind.
You signed one of those Trump volunteer noncompetes, didn't you.
104 Battleground Hawaii 2020
I AM allowed to google "downtown Omaha cat shelter" on my work computer which is the most important right of all.
OT: the hotel-concierge suggested activity for killing 2 hours in Omaha is "visit the site of the college world
series." Nb- college world series not actually going on now and college baseball not a sport beloved of anyone AFAIK.
College baseball is kind of like college hockey or college wrestling. There about 20 colleges that take it seriously and give out a bunch of scholarships. All are in Texas, California, or the SEC, plus Wichita State for some reason.
97: Try for meth and some more common types of cats, you elitist.
How do colleges serve on the Securities and Exchange Commission?
I know Americans are fond of sports metaphors but that's a bit out of hand.
Is that true, or are you just afraid of getting banned?
It's analogies that are banned, not metaphors.
A minefield of customary law, this place.
Big-nutted squirrels on the SEC would make no less sense than football teams.
101, 102: I know of at least one large employer with a rule like that.
105: Good luck with that but the last major political shift here took a world war, among other things, so you might want to start with something easier. Florida might be a good place to experiment. It's warm, and if you screw up, no worries, it will be underwater soon anyway.
Yeah two hours isn't enough to plumb the depths of debauchery and explore the bowels of depravity in Omaha. You probably should have gone to Council Bluffs.
All are in Texas, California, or the SEC, plus Wichita State for some reason.
Isn't this where all sports happens?
Oddly enough, my uncle and my brother both had regular business trips to Omaha for a while, for different reasons. I wasn't jealous.
120.1: Yeah, but there are a lot of exceptions to the Hatch Act, listed at that link. What CS was describing sounds much more absolute.
Anyway it's moot, because per the other thread I use all of my opinion-hours schooling my boyfriend on the things he has to do to make himself marriageable.
Relevant: Fred Clark on "What 'SJW' Really Means". Ties together the crowd behind GamerGate, the attempted hijacking of the Hugo Awards, and some of Trump's core support, with an analysis of what they mean when they go to that particular insult.
HRC wins:
* US enters recession
* Dems destroyed in midterm election
* Hillary loses to some moron in 2020 as climate change becomes obvious and people are even angrier than they are now
* Supreme Court saved from destruction
DJT wins:
* US enters recession
* Dems energized in midterm election, maybe
* Trump loses to Tim Kaine in 2020 as climate change becomes obvious and people are even angrier than they are now
* Supreme Court destroyed for 50 years
The first scenario is still preferable and likely of course. But looking forward to 2020, boy, who knows.