We got one of those emails warning about travel. But I'm guessing farmers in Iowa aren't likely to get them.
Pence would not put Bannon on the NSC and he'd be more likely to listen to generals than Trump is. I think that translates to fewer people killed under Pence, but with Republicans you just never know.
Probably more women die in childbirth under Pence. But that's definitely the devil we know, and it's a problem with well-established channels to fight.
I mean, Jammies' extended family are conservatives in the oil industry. They must be...exasperated? At least aware that Trump is making their travel more difficult?
I wonder about this. Certainly I know that most people don't have the terrible habits I do about obsessively refreshing social media, but even my relatively-casual Facebook friends seem to have noticed, plus above-the-fold coverage in the newspaper two days running.
And yeah, at work we had one mass email on Friday and another one throwing a lot of money at the problem today.
Last night my mom made a baby and bathwater argument about Trump and I've been coming up with scathing rejoinders since I woke up this morning. I'm probably going to have to make some hurt-feeling comments to her soon. Although it turns out that, in spite of my last politics argument ('if you cared about your daughter more than unborn babies you'd at least not vote for the Conservatives'), she voted for the wrong people. She just didn't talk about politics and told my siblings not to tell me because I'd be upset (they told me, I was, she doesn't know I know).
I haven't wanted to talk to her in weeks because of this issue. And if she asks why I don't go to church anymore I'll probably explode. If people want insight to single-issue abortion voters, I got some.
Anyway, I'm probably moving back home in a couple months when my visa runs out, if not before when NAFTA gets cancelled. So that should be fun.
Is it safe for a green card holder from one of the designated countries to fly to the US? I still haven't found out one way or the other and it looks like the answer is no. Also still trying to hook up my cow-orker's father with some legal rep (any leads) in the PNW.* Otherwise he's stuck here for the foreseeable future.
*I almost burst out in tears when I told her I would see what I could find out.
2 other than individual harms (which are significant and irreparable and I don't mean to minimize) whatever Pence would be inclined to do even if that's everything on his wishlist could be rolled back. Trump/Bannon are doing irreparable harm to American institutions and values. They must be stopped.
I mean, Jammies' extended family are conservatives in the oil industry. They must be...exasperated?
You'd know better than me, but I would imagine they'd take the travel ban if it means no emissions/extraction regulation.
9: Yes, but they'd assume they'd get that under Pence. I'm just talking about whether they'd notice that this is not business as usual yet.
7
Supposedly it now doesn't cover green card holders, but I wouldn't place much faith on that. It sounds like it's coming down to the individual border control people, many of whom are refusing to honor the injunction. You might be ok flying into Portland or Seattle, because those places are pretty anti-Trump, and the likelihood of getting a fascist dick at border control is probably lower, but again, I'm not sure it's worth taking that gamble.
8 is super-correct. I'm genuinely baffled by people who think Pence might be worse. Under Pence, rank and file law enforcement doesn't tell US Senators to go piss up a rope.
Last night my mom made a baby
Never before were hopes for a comment raised so high, nor dashed so quickly.
11 He has an airline ticket to go in about 5 weeks. I asked my coworker to find out when the last date it's refundable on but I'm not optimistic either. I'd like to get him connected with some legal advice in the US in that region before then.
Latest time bomb inserted by Trump (probably Pence would have too)- orders 2020 census to collect citizenship status, enabling a stated goal of Republicans to allocate House seats and EVs based on citizens not all residents. If the electorate won't vote for you, change the electorate.
(That's in addition to blue states governed by Repiblican legislatures trying to allocate EVs by district without making he same change in red states.)
to 7: Someone on Facebook mentioned that people who are in limbo should reroute so that they fly in to Boston, because the judicial order in Mass. is the most generous. Of course this all appears to be changing day by day, if not hour by hour.
Barry - I'm checking with Eve for recommendations re: immigration firms in the PNW. You can email me at first name, first four letters of last name, at gmail.
Barry i can connect you with an excellent & highly ethical im lawyer based in SF but can make referrals across US, neb can put us in touch via email.
My email linked in 20. and here.
dq, I DM'd you at the other other place.
Congressional Republicans have been conspicuous in their silence this weekend.
Rubicon has been crossed, the Party is Trump's now, and Republicans know if he goes down, he takes them with him. All of them.
In any case, the man's a monster, Bannon's worse, and he is still President while the process unfolds. He will not take it well.
Impeachment is very unlikely.
I don't think he will live out his term.
Did everyone see the run down of comments by Fortune 500 (mostly tech of course) CEOs on the EO? I do not remember anything like this happening before. Definitely more opposition to a President's actions from the captains of industry than anything since the National Recovery Administration.
26: Link? Last I heard they were all being craven cowards in public while apparently grousing in private. If that's changed it would be good news.
For some reason I'm not finding the article I read earlier, at work. Here's much of the same info:
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-38794915
There are demonstrations on a huge scale in most UK cities today.
That's great! The next big one here is supposed to be for Tuesday. I don't know if I'll go, my health is so poorly these days. Sigh.
On this topic, here are a few depressing articles from WaPo about what people in different news bubbles are seeing about this.
So, to VTSOOBC, Frowner informs me that there is chatter that the next fascist order is something from Mike Pence's Xmas list that will stab GLBTQ communities in the back. Anyone hear similar?
Also, I think we just need to write off the righty whities. We don't want their support, we don't need their support, and most importantly, we won't get their support. There's millions of people of color, queer people, women, immigrants, Muslims, Natives, etc. who aren't, or haven't been, particularly politically active. We should be doing everything we can to encourage and support more activism in those communities, and do what we can to make sure the DNC doesn't just fuck us all over again like they usually do.
34 I'm pretty sure there isn't a LGBTQIA person in the country whose back is facing Trump or Pence. They're pretty much all looking them in the eye and staring them down.
34: I have heard rumors similar to the ones you've heard, but not with any clear sourcing, and not coming from people who I would expect to have direct views of inside baseball.
(Though it is, obviously, wholly consistent with the administration and current trends.)
Ah, here we go, no idea of veracity:
https://trumpnewsdump.wordpress.com/2017/01/30/breaking-trumps-next-executive-order-will-go-after-gay-parents-with-adopted-kids/
Shoot, that other link is broke. Here's better one:
https://trumpnewsdump.wordpress.com/2017/01/30/latest-trump-to-attack-lgbt-rights-and-protections-with-new-executive-order/
40: I don't know that there's much they can do once adoptions are finalized. I expect allowing foster/adoptive agencies to discriminate against same-sex couples to be high on the agenda. (I'm trying pretty hard not to worry about any of this. I'm only the legal adoptive parent of one of the three children I'm raising, but our initial custody agreement was good enough for the pre-Obergefell era and should continue to be good enough, I hope. One way or another it's going to have to work out, because no one is going to take my children from me.)
upcoming executive order makes sexual orientation and identification a fireable offense for federal employees and contractors
I guess this means eliminate antidiscrimination protections, but I'm amused by its poor wording. "What? You have a sexual orientation? You sicko, you're fired!"
This has important survival information:
https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/what-things-going-wrong-can-look-like-400f84a0cc3a#.fpex5zzd3
Also, I think we just need to write off the righty whities. We don't want their support, we don't need their support, and most importantly, we won't get their support.
Yes and no. See, this analysis, for example.
Despite my optimism going into Election Day, in my gut, I knew this could happen. As many folks have heard me say over the last few years, while I am a big believer -- and still am -- that demographic trends work in the Democratic Party's favor, all of this hinges on the Democratic candidate maintaining a reasonable floor with white voters. ...
President Obama had some reach with these voters, or at least enough for us to win. In 2008, we knew we had to hit 40 [percent] with whites, in 2012, we needed to get close to it.
...
*And just to drive home the point of Florida's competitiveness -- when you go back to 1992, the year where Florida became a true battleground state, there have been more than 50 million votes cast for President, and Republicans and Democrats are separated by 12,000 votes. No, that isn't a typo -- 12,000 votes, or right at 0.02
...
And again, this isn't just a Florida deal -- what happened here isn't isolated. But I will make this one point -- one I've made a lot over the last few years: if Democrats in Florida can win around 40% of the white vote -- which is less than what Obama won in 2008, they will win almost every statewide race going forward. Demographics can be destiny -- but it isn't automatically.
The GLBTQ thing was from Lambda Legal, and they described it as "far reaching" and likely to involve the right to discriminate for "religious" reasons, the right to deny adoption to GLBTQ parents and the removal of the protections on federal contractors. Spicer apparently said nothing much when asked today - they don't want to get "too far ahead" of whatever madness they have up next. What does that mean? I have no idea. But Lambda Legal thought it was good enough info to be worried.
NYT now says the WH says no changes to that Obama EO.
It sounds like someone was writing an anti-LGBT EO, but that for whatever reason Trump didn't go for it (either because he disagrees or because enough internal pushback got mobilized like with the torture EO). That's why people are leaking this stuff to the press, so the cabinet will know about it.
What I expect is that they didn't want more big protests, so either they'll drop one at a later point in the new cycle or they figure they'll get it all taken care of when they pass the religious freedom act. Don't think that this is any kind of real respite, here - the base hates us and would Pence would put us all in reeducation camps in a heartbeat.
Yes. Trump always could improve his polls by shutting up for a while.
Also, could just be waiting for Mini-Scalia to get on the court.
Is he capable of shutting up, even for a while?
[UK petition to withdraw state visit invitation now closing on 1,690,000 and still rolling - roughly 1 in 37 of the population, including children and Tories.]
57 Wait until it gets 17,410,743, then hack the site and change the wording for a second go at Remain.
I guess that was on topic. Sorry. I'm not used to that.
I'm tempted to email a link to the story in 59 along with "Ha! Fuck you!" to the offices of top republicans. But I suppose if I'm going to get my name put on some sort of watch list, it should be for some more productive form of activism.
The invisibility/invincibility of the older white woman!
One way or another it's going to have to work out, because no one is going to take my children from me.
You know we'll help you pay for lawyers, harass whatever officials need harassing, and chain ourselves in front of your front door if necessary, right?
64: Horrible that the numbers should be anywhere close, but the methodology of that poll sounds like total shite to me.
64 &c.: Mildly discouraging, but you really can't overthink it.
A. As 66 (roughly) says, polling gets all sorts of results, depending on phrasing. One 49-41 result doesn't tell you much either way.
B. We're in the streets to grow the one number and reduce the other. We know that the ham-handed nature of the order will help us do this (although fuck that guy with the BS story about his dead mother).
C. To a significant extent, we're in the streets to stand up for righteousness whether popular or not. We hope to sway every battle our way, but it's essential to mark the right side every time.