Very bad things are going to happen regardless of whether or not this plan goes through. Among them are that poor people are going to get sick and die of preventable things. Obamacare, as written, won't work without adjustments and modifications.
The huge slug of people who support the President and are also already on Medicare will believe Fox News that this is great, and that all complaints are FAKE and/or leftist agitation. So will the folks who are supporting him and are covered by their employers.
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I am generally inclined to think this way too, but I've been surprised at the pushback Republican congresspeople have been getting in town halls. It's possible that some group of people will pleasantly surprise us.
The people in town halls are apparently paid agents of George Soros and Satan.
4: Do you know how to make them pay up? I sent my bill to Soros and he told me to send it to Satan, and then Satan sent me back to Soros. If someone doesn't pay up soon, I'm going to have to offer my services to Putin/Trump.
You guys don't need to click through, but you do need to know that the link claims that the official title of the bill is "World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017" because these shit-flingers are also in 2nd grade.
Ryan made them take off "And my penis is bigger than yours" from the title.
If you're going to title a bill like that, just go all in and delay until it can be H.R 1776.
Short notice I know, but does anyone from Bay Area Unfogged want to sex Mutombo tonight?
But just yesterday they were arguing that smaller is better.
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If I had to guess the obvious choice would be Hudson.
Since Trump's election, I've had a hard time dealing with my rage toward white people. Like, clearly there are loads of decent individuals (I hope myself included in that bunch), but as a whole white Americans really super suck. I feel impotent and angry that our country is suicidal and viciously cruel because our white people are so shitty. Some nontrivial portion of them are sociopathic bullies who actively delight in cruelty to those they see as weaker to themselves. On top of that, while they pretend they're strong ubermensch, they're actually weaker and whinier than a spoiled 3 year old. I'm trying to think anthropologically about it all, but my rage just takes over.
Would it help if your internal narration about white people was in David Attenborough's voice?
The eponymous bay! Not eponymous enough it seems. San Francisco variety.
Oh. I was there once. Very nice seafood. Driving not nearly as difficult as Bullit led me to believe.
First, the OP link is a tabloid being a tabloid. "World's Greatest Healthcare Plan" is an alternative symbolic bill proposed by another Republican, not the bill currently being jammed through.
I thought the Republican Study Committee / Freedom Caucus were talking discontentedly about it not being close enough to their principles, and wanted amendments that would further hurt its Senate chances, but the party-line votes this morning make it look like they don't care too much as long as they can be assured it ratfucks a bunch of poor people.
We can only hope that enough senators have enough of an eye for self-preservation to bottle it up. It's certainly better for Ryan in his current position to try something harder-right and fail, than to compromise and succeed, which I guess is the explanation.
It's all illuminating that they're fundamentally a clique rather than an ideological movement.
To the OP, there are enough delays in implementation, especially on the Medicaid side, that if they pass it, it's possible it can then be delayed indefinitely as the true impacts becomes obvious.
The eponymous bay!
Named after soldier and explorer Basil-Randolph Bay.
Sadly, my efforts to get people to refer to Baltimore and environs as The Bay Area in order to annoy San Franciscans never really went anywhere.
Yes. I'm well past the point of feeling bad that I enjoy that many of them fucked themselves.
First, the OP link is a tabloid being a tabloid. "World's Greatest Healthcare Plan" is an alternative symbolic bill proposed by another Republican, not the bill currently being jammed through.
Oh, this is on me. I smirked at the headline and used it for the post that I was already planning on writing.
The other thing I'm hearing about this bill is that it will basically end employer-provided health insurance since it will change the way health insurance is taxed. What do we think about that? Will we all be forced into the market to pay for our own care with the incredible shrinking tax credit?
23: Does that mean we should support it, since when all the insurance markets collapse, we'll be forced to adopt single-payer?
23 I thought that was an earlier draft?
23: I believe taxing employer insurance was in the (otherwise fairly similar) leaked draft from last month, but that was removed. Amazingly, they kept in the Cadillac tax, but continued the rigmarole of pushing it back to get some revenues in the 10-year window.
AHCA could encourage employers to dump health insurance for other reasons - (a) it removes the ACA large-employer mandate and (b) non-income-linked subsidies for everyone make them more accessible to salaried employees and maybe tempt employers more to dump. But I'm not sure how much weight either of those carry. The CBO in 2009 projected a lot of employers would use the ACA as an excuse to dump employees onto the exchanges, but by and large they didn't.
I can meet for a drink in the financial district at 6 or 630 abouts.
17: I thought the Republican Study Committee / Freedom Caucus were talking discontentedly about it not being close enough to their principles, and wanted amendments that would further hurt its Senate chances, but the party-line votes this morning make it look like they don't care too much as long as they can be assured it ratfucks a bunch of poor people.
there are enough delays in implementation, especially on the Medicaid side
Word is that a couple of proposed amendments that extend the ratfucking over Medicaid find favor with the RSC:
The Republican Study Committee is backing two proposed changes to the Obamacare repeal bill that could help win over conservatives to the measure, which has been in a markup before the House Energy and Commerce Committee for nearly 24 hours.
The group, which rarely takes positions on amendments in committee, supports a proposal from Reps. Joe Barton (R-Texas) and Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) that would freeze Medicaid enrollment under enhanced Obamacare rates at the end of 2017, two years sooner than the GOP repeal bill allows.
The group is also backing an amendment from Rep. Morgan Griffith (R-Va.) to institute work requirements in Medicaid for able-bodied, childless adults.
I am unclear whether these amendments passed in that Committee, and the party-line vote was for Ryancare + these amendments.
If it did pass with the added amendments, are we sure that hurts its chances in the Senate?
Hrm. By my last count, there were 3 hardcore healthcare haters in the Senate (Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee) who were against because the proposal wasn't shitty enough, and 4 Senators against because it didn't protect Medicaid expansion enough. So.
I've been sort of figuring that Ryancare pushers would try to bribe their members in both House and Senate to pass this piece of junk with the promise that then and only then would they be able to get their beloved tax reform cut package.
A funnier name for a bill than than the Worlds Greatest Healthcare Plan is the No Taxpayer Revenue Used to Monetize the Presidency (No TRUMP) Act, which the Democrats just introduced.
To 27: I'm currently in the basement of the Marriott Marquis. That said I'm taking class at 7.30pm at the AKLDC, so I'll have to be very sensible indeed. After that I'm free from 9
Could meet at the bar at the Marriott, don't know it but how bad could it be??? ha. Say 615?
Dark hair, black skirt & boots, floral blouse, green leather jacket.
I'm wearing a Next'17 badge with my name on it (red press type)
28: I think I would have read in the stuff I was following today if any amendments had gotten through in committee, but just now CNN hears from the WH the concepts are still in play.
29.1: Strong, I think. It puts people like Rob Portman in contention. And Rand Paul is saying he wants more conservatism, but he may really be looking for an out given that Medicaid expansion is real and big in KY.
35 I was hoping Alex would write "same."
Live blogging woo hoo.
I'm in Arrakis International Airport on my way to Sharjah for the biennial where some of Chani's work is showing
Didn't see the meetup suggestion until now. Unfortunately, I'm too far away to get to SF without advanced planning.
Just said ciao to charming Alex, who is off to class. Barry you lead a ridiculously glam existence at the mo.
Speaking of healthcare and glamour, if you're ever stuck in a locked nursing home, try to find a keypad and start typing in the month and year in various formats. They have no desire to switch codes very often and even less to teach new codes to everybody.
Oh and I forgot to recommend to Alex that post-class, if you are peckish, take yourself to boulevard (southeast corner of steuart & mission, embarcadero station 2 stops from powell) and grab a spot at the bar for dinner (there will be space). One of sf's best meals. Have a lovely rest of your stay and look forward to seeing you again when you are in town.
I'm drunk now and had a nightmare about giving a presentation on the phonological system of Yakut, and it's all you people's fault.
Also a green leather jacket sounds amazing. What shade of green?
Dark & murky. It's from uterque, the Spanish brand, their leather is very good quality for the price.
Also a green leather jacket sounds amazing.
The whole outfit sounds amazing, but the green leather jacket especially.
Apologies if this has already been linked to in another thread, but this article (on a woman who voted for Trump even though the ACA saved her life) makes me want to give up in utter despair. I know I shouldn't say this (it's so coastal elite liberal of me, and therefore it's all my fault), but we are at the mercy of morons.
Buttercup someday we are going shopping together.
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I would love that (as long as you don't mind bargain hunting). I do go to the Bay Area fairly regularly, since both my boyfriend and I have family there.
One of my colleagues at the student paper had a avocado-green leather jacket that she wore for about two years straight. I really liked her, thought she was a great kid and everything, but man, that jacket. I seriously grew to despise it.
we are at the mercy of morons
But her mom said she's smart.
Somebody oughta remake the story of Job with Donald Trump as God, Paul Ryan as Lucifer and some MAGA-hat wearing dumbshit as Job.
43 I need to start dressing the part though, maybe some tips from neb?
Paul Ryan as Lucifer
Surely that's too grand a role for the likes of Paul ('I'm a Catholic deer hunter, and the CliffNotes to Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged are my catechism') Ryan. I think he should play the part of one of Lucifer's minor (but always desperately eager to please) minions.
57 one of those with his face where his butt should be as depicted in medieval art.
I'm drunk now and had a nightmare about giving a presentation on the phonological system of Yakut, and it's all you people's fault.
Okay, but if I start having dreams about whacking my dick against mailboxes I'm totally blaming you.
In Yakutian Russian idiom, mailbox whacks you dickly.
OK, done. Mean Old Dance Teacher was pretty damn mean, I had not much energy to offer, and the soreness on my left half pointe flared up. Also, MODT buttonholed me on the stairs to further bust my chops.
Now having a Vietnamese meal to cheer up. Still, I kind of love their building - weird old Dylanesque thing with masonic stuff all over the place
My spouse is organizing an ACLU resist meeting tomorrow afternoon in the red part of Oregon. She has already started getting bullying phone calls accusing her of being an outsider stirring up trouble. These people are such assholes.
62: Dad? Shouldn't *you* be organizing that meeting?
???? Anyway, I just try to stay out of her way.
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I just reconnected with an old friend/crush on FB but her haircut says "I like to kiss girls.*" She does not seem to be out (not surprising given her family), but all the indications are there. I'm a little disappointed that my crush must go unrequited.
* short back and sides, thick streaks of highlights on jet black**
** where does the asterisk go for quotations? inside or out? I feel like if it's inside the footnote is trapped somehow, but outside looks wrong.
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I knew a girl with that sort of haircut who was completely bisexual. But I would trust your instinct, cos you know her and I don't.
64: just joking--my dad is involved with d part leadership in his red county in Oregon
65** Outside! Unless it's part of the quote. Which this isn't.
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Edgy lesbian haircuts are also popular with straight hipster girls, so you never know.
Wait. How many commenters are rural Oregonians?
70, I'm not anymore--grew up in SW OR.
The cauliflower tostada at tacos Punta cabras is EVERYTHING, oh god.
I just found out that one of my ancestors in New Amsterdam got hauled before the authorities on a charge of flashing too much ankle when she lifted her skirts to cross a puddle. Charges dropped when the accuser keeled over dead. I hope she poisoned him.
65: What buttercup said. So so so many straight girls. Don't be a creep, which you won't because you're not, but there's no need to talk yourself out of trying just because of her hairstyle.