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Some women to go college to get their MRS while others go to graduate school to get their MSS.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 6:26 AM
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The Daily Show last week had a segment where they played a recording of a board meeting. Arianna Huffington said something along the lines that having one woman on the board increases the chances of there being a second. Some asshole replied that all they'd do is talk. I was shocked at such blatant sexism. I live in a pretty nice little bubble where that sort of shit mostly does not happen. Not that there's no misogyny, but we're classier about it.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 6:28 AM
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That was Uber. Which should surprise exactly nobody.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 6:30 AM
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Anyway, in my experience among more traditionally-minded men who get divorced or dumped, such attitudes are close to universal. I think the thought process is that the marriage couldn't have failed because of something he did, because it's not his fault, or something she did, because then it would be his fault for picking the wrong wife. So, it must be feminism.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 6:34 AM
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And it was an Uber board meeting specifically to resolve how to address its toxic corporate culture. Which made it all the more spectacular.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 6:37 AM
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I'm a lot more aware of being limited by sexism in the realm of local politics than in academia. It takes me longer to build up credibility. Often if a new person sizing up the group of us, I can tell that their eyes gloss over me and don't really register my presence the way they register the presence of the men. Once people spend some time with me, it mostly fades away, but I don't command a group's attention quite as easily as I do in academics, at say a faculty meeting or something. I'm improving, but people are also getting more used to me.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 6:37 AM
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They've grown accustomed to your face.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 6:41 AM
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It's improving. I started to smile. If only someone had told me earlier!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 6:44 AM
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What out the tune you whistle night and noon?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 6:46 AM
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People who conduct and publicize studies like this are gaming the system to create policies to favor women over men under the guise of asking for equality.

Look at the statements that are being ranked: They are just innocent remarks that are being interpreted as sexist.

I suppose that at one time, statements like this could have been seen as sexist, but that was back when discrimination against women was a problem in the United States.


Posted by: OPINIONATED SURVEY RESPONDENT | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 6:48 AM
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I'm often affected by the inverse of what is described in 6. At the start, people think I'm more important than I am.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 6:48 AM
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7: Add tattoos to bring back novelty.


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 6:53 AM
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I've read some of Seth Stephens-Davidowitz' research papers, but not his book Everybody Lies: Big Data, New Data, and What the Internet Can Tell Us About Who We Really Are. According to a Vox interview from last week, it provides a bleak take on how terrible Americans are.


Posted by: Robert | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 7:02 AM
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Talk less, smile more... ladeez.


Posted by: Opinionated fictional Aaron Burr | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 7:02 AM
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Even this is going to underreport, right? Because there are probably people who recognize what the "right" answer is in terms of social acceptability. They should do that thing like they did with atheism, where they mix in innocuous statements with sexist ones then just ask for a total and shuffle questions between groups of respondents.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 7:05 AM
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Maybe things are so bad that some people who respect women felt obligated to report sexist views so the interviewer wouldn't give them a wedgie.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 7:07 AM
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I get so weird about this sort of study. I don't particularly notice people being sexist at me, mostly, but then you read this shit and you realize that there's no way to know what anyone is thinking.

Anyway, I will continue to pull my urban liberal bubble around me like a nice warm fluffy blanket. (Least likely metaphor for the social atmosphere of NYC ever? Possibly!)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 7:41 AM
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A fluffy blanket stuffed with pigeon feathers?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 7:49 AM
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In this context, I think of them as rock doves.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 7:50 AM
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Pigeons that can breath through their cloaca are turtle doves.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 7:51 AM
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I had a long conversation with a white mom with a black adopted 7 year old who had gone to daycare with us. For elementary school, they moved to the ultra conservative, very affluent, white-flight city down the highway from us, "for the schools". She energetically identifies herself as liberal and Democrat, etc. She was shocked, shocked, that her kid had a hard transition and feels isolated and alone in whitesy-hell.

(That school district is THE WORST, I'm told. It is bullying hell, I understand, and just a miserable experience for a large chunk of students. But really wealthy!)


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 7:53 AM
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Oh, man. That well-intentioned idiot and that poor kid.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 8:10 AM
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Not the Onion. An Onion, though.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 8:13 AM
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From my read of the score mechanism, you could also get sorted into "neutral" by giving a combination of agreement, disagreement, and neutrality across the five questions.

I find interesting - and compelling - the original survey's distinction between "living in the South" and "identifying as southern". There's a sexism gap of only 3.6% between "non-South whites" and "South whites", but 15% between "non-southern whites" and "southern whites" (the last group being 50.2% sexist).


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 8:22 AM
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distinction between "living in the South" and "identifying as southern"

I assume this distinction is measured by recording kinetic data observed while playing "Sweet Home Alabama".


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 8:27 AM
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It always throws me for a loop visiting say a family gathering or wedding or something just how much sexism there is. Gender stereotyping is just completely ubiquitous. The even weirder thing about visiting sexism-land is that the stereotypes actually seem kind of true about the people living in sexism-land. Some kind of sorting where the people who don't fit the stereotypes leave.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in." (9) | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 8:34 AM
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I really don't live in an awful hellhole.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 8:37 AM
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Self-delusion is important. Keep it up.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 8:38 AM
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I'm smiling!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 8:40 AM
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"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 8:42 AM
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It's not the case that everybody complaining about 'political correctness' is doing so because they feel unable to publicly articulate their sexist views. Some of them are racist too.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 8:45 AM
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Don't forget homophobic.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 8:46 AM
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Diversity!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 8:46 AM
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Well this is quite on topic.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 8:51 AM
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I really don't live in an awful hellhole.

Not now you've raised your house out of it.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 9:00 AM
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The even weirder thing about visiting sexism-land is that the stereotypes actually seem kind of true about the people living in sexism-land. Some kind of sorting where the people who don't fit the stereotypes leave.

Well, there's sorting and then there's compliance. People expect you to play a role, and then you start playing it. Even in my beloved bubble, I'm femmier in behavior than I'd be if I weren't trying to pass as normal. (and at all costs stifle my natural hideous laughter.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 9:13 AM
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And I bet you'd spend less on breath mints if there weren't so many humans around.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 9:19 AM
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Odd moments in watching your kids react to the news -- Newt was reading some story along these lines about Senator Harris questioning Sessions aggressively, and was wondering to me whether she was likely to get in trouble with any sort of Senate enforcement authority. I reassured him that she wasn't actually particularly outside any meaningful norms.

But, you know, kid raised feminist in NYC, and you still run into the assumption that when men are treating a woman as if she's out of line, that they're reacting to genuinely bad behavior. No judgment on Newt, it's hard not to assume that people are mostly behaving reasonably, so when they're not, it's easy to get confused.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 9:31 AM
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GOP senators are like soccer players that fall down hard on purpose to try to get a foul called on the opponent. That's what happens when you raise a generation of soccer players who all got trophies for participation.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 9:41 AM
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It's time to revive the fainting couch, this time for men unable to continue in the face of being confronted with their own past words and actions.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 9:48 AM
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Women are by nature intended to be nurturing and supportive. Thus, any woman who gives a man a sad is being deliberately and unnecessarily hurtful.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 10:04 AM
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Is Modern Sexism a print publication or is it online-only? I'd like to keep up to date, but not if I have to click past ads and "Please whitelist this site!" pleas.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 10:08 AM
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I have this shirt that will fit you just perfectly, you handsome beast, you.


Posted by: Opinionated Hera | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 10:09 AM
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Women are by nature intended to be nurturing and supportive.

Like a fainting couch.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 10:09 AM
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Except with a couch, it caresses your ass.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 10:11 AM
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43: Some mid-century teabag's diaries include piquant complaints that the Steve Reeves/Ray Harryhausen sword-and-sandal movies made no effort to depict Nessus' shirt or the deflowering-fifty-virgins thing.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 10:13 AM
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45: Still shopping IKEA, eh, Moby?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 10:15 AM
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IKEA is too elitist. I've gone back to using furniture made from planks and returnable cases of Old Milwaukee.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 10:19 AM
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Yeah she makes love just like an IKEA fainting couch, but she breaks just like a little furniture made from planks and returnable cases of Old Milwaukee.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 10:22 AM
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IKEA fainting couch in the streets, made from planks and returnable cases of Old Milwaukee in the sheets.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 10:23 AM
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That all just sounds terribly splintery.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 10:26 AM
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Honestly, it works better for coffee tables and bookcases and the like.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 10:27 AM
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The bathtub was a particular disappointment.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 11:03 AM
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You should have seen the toilet.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 11:06 AM
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You certainly couldn't return those bottles later.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 11:08 AM
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NMM Bivens.

Technically still alive, but the plug has been pulled, and its breath is sputtering.

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Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 11:21 AM
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On the good side, there's an opportunity for some county in NY to emerge as a new pro-plaintiff litigation hellhole. Is the bar of Auburn hungry enough to seize it? (I guess they'd need a friendly judge and resentful jurors. Surely there's such a place.)

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Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 11:26 AM
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Manhattan is a county, I think.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 11:30 AM
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GOP senators are like soccer players that fall down hard on purpose to try to get a foul called on the opponent.

Hugh Laurie is available to help.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 11:36 AM
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Also in Supreme Court news: I believe this may be the first time Gorsuch has fucked us. They're'll be many more to come!


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 12:09 PM
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There'll!!


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 12:09 PM
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60: how so? The quick summary I saw said Gorsuch recused himself (not that I disagree with the rest of the comment)


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 12:19 PM
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Yeah, not Ziglar (or even Bristol Myers). He must have voted for the stay in Gill v. Whitford because the stay was granted over the dissent of 4 justices.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 12:34 PM
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4: I seem to recall an article sometime recently (hello, brain) about the path from dumped bitter guy to alt-right aficionado.

Gender roles are pretty rigid locally. shiv works from home, and has a co-worker who also works from home, whose stay-at-home wife makes him lunch everyday. He has two children and never changes a diaper or makes dinner, etc.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 1:04 PM
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I have one child and never change a diaper.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 1:07 PM
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Of course, now everybody in the household uses either the toilets or the back patio.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 1:21 PM
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Mountain laurel?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 1:56 PM
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I wouldn't know whether to agree with those statements unless I knew whether they were said by a man or a woman.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 1:57 PM
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I sincerely, and politically incorrectly, think that men with children who've never changed a diaper are pussies. Are you too dainty to touch some shit, motherfucker?


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 2:07 PM
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67: Ever since we figured out nobody will eat them since birds shit on them, the raspberries.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 3:08 PM
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I remember when I was overjoyed that I got pissed on instead of the rug. I didn't know how to clean the rug, but me and my shirt were easy. This was when I learned that pee-pee teepees didn't work at all.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 3:10 PM
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Why did we have a rug below the changing table? I don't even know. But it was from IKEA so we could have burned it if we had to.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 3:18 PM
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[pause]
Of possible interest to the Montana commentariat.
[play]


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 3:38 PM
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I wonder when the Billings Gazette is going to send a reporter to cover slightly too ironic urban millennials who seem to basically mean well.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 4:37 PM
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I think Peterson is from the mountain west. Idaho, maybe? I know she previously reported on DAPL and the special election, so not exactly just parachuting in from NY.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 4:53 PM
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75: She's apparently from Lewiston (ID) originally.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 4:56 PM
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I still feel I could better understand Buzzfeed is somebody from Billings explained it to me.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 5:05 PM
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Moby to Lewiston: drop dead.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 5:08 PM
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77: Maybe Chuck Tingle?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 5:09 PM
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Huh, we got this far with no one referencing the physicist who moderated a panel and talked over the one female panelist to explain her theories. The saddest part to me was the nice physicist's kindly assumption that this wasn't sexism, just the moderator's excitement about ther theories. I suppose if she let herself take note of the everyday bullshit I imagine she deals with, she'd have long since gone mad.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 5:22 PM
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I never heard of that before.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 5:30 PM
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81: Sexist.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 5:35 PM
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It's really your fault for not telling me sooner. Unless you did.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 5:38 PM
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Maybe if you'd let me speak . . .


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 5:48 PM
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On the internet, nobody knows if you're being talked over.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 5:49 PM
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The Gazette doesn't need to send anyone, since they share a publisher with the Missoulian, and recently bought the Independent. They don't want to understand us, they want to convert us.

Lewiston is famous for its finger steaks. We don't have them here, so she'll have reason to go home. Along with visiting family.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 7:01 PM
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I just googled "finger steak". Never heard of it before.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 7:46 PM
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I'd heard the term but haven't ever ordered them. Lewiston is a part of ID I haven't made it out to. Pretty dry out there and hard to imagine going out there over McCall, CDA, or the Sawtooth area.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 9:23 PM
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I only go there for work, to be sure, but Hell's Canyon is kind of a big deal, and US12 from Lolo Pass on down has its charm. The best approach, though, is US95 coming down from the north. Drive the old road, not the new highway. It's not quite as dramatic as the Whitebird Hill, but it's pretty good.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 9:35 PM
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Pretty dry out there

Says the guy who lives in Utah.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-19-17 10:46 PM
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