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Sounds like you have sufficient extras that you don't need to spend the money for the safer saw.
This article mentioned patent issues:
"On the other hand, Gass has told the CPSC that his company would license its patents to competitors for an eight-percent cut of their table-saw revenue--though that promise might not be legally binding."
I wonder what was done in the past with other safety technology.
Re: Charlottesville, it's sad/scary/maddening how there are just so many outright lies about it. E.g. people are saying that Heyer came there armed and the neo-Nazis were peaceful.
Also not news, but it comes to mind because I'm on the verge of commenting on the other place about it. One friend of mine is generally apolitical, but she's on the right side of this issue, and I don't want to get too aggressive with someone who for all I know she might really care about. So far the best I've come up with is asking for a source for his claim that isn't literally a fraud or conspiracy theorist.
Like how the mother of the terrorist can say she didn't think her son was a white supremacist because he was supporting Trump.
people are saying that Heyer came there armed and the neo-Nazis were peaceful.
Really? Is that talking point getting any exposure outside of right wing message boards? I haven't heard/seen it in anything I've watched/read since Saturday.
5: That's what the bubble's all about.
Or the vast network of bubbles. Physalisphere?
5: I saw one guy saying it on Facebook 4 hours ago. The only reason I haven't already called it a lie is (a) it's hard to prove a negative (I mean, within a month I'm sure there will be some debunking out there of all the lies about this, but I don't think it's written yet), and (b) I want to be diplomatic to my friend whose post the asshole was commenting on.
Just watched today's (Monday's) statement from 45. So low-energy. He basically winces throughout, consistent with him seeing this as losing him vehement supporters.
Still, I think I'm from 0% up to 1% optimistic in that it was possible for the country and DC elites to shame him into this more conventionally anti-racism statement. Even if he had to preface it with preening on economic statistics.
3, 8: Every now and then, with folks like that, I'll go meta and embark on a discussion about the discussion: How would your opinion of white supremacy be affected if one of them rammed a car into peaceful protesters? Would that be a bad thing? Why?
It's sometimes interesting to explore people's views if you concede their central point and present the truth to them as a counterfactual. What if Hitler actually had committed genocide? Would that have been a crime?
Under that approach, basically every sentence has to end in a question mark. The only exception is when you say: "I'm just asking a question. I want to understand your thinking on this."
Debating people like that on facts is absurd, because the facts, in broad outline, are readily available. You know they've seen a presentation of the facts; otherwise, how would they know what to deny?
But by talking in terms of counterfactuals, you go into their weird space and talk to them on their own terms. I've had some interesting results with that.
10: Thanks. Maybe I'll try that. Not sure if I can get sucked into an argument, but I feel obligated to say something.
Anecdotally, people who work with power saws frequently remove safety features so that they can work faster. Some of that will be late capitalism and collective action problems, but some of it is just people are kinda dumb.
He basically winces throughout, consistent with him seeing this as losing him vehement supporters.
If he meant it, he would have tweeted it.
14.1 is true for buzz saws back in my day, but that safety feature (requiring two hands on the saw before it would work) really did slow you down. The new "no cut off flesh" sensor didn't seem as intrusive.
there are 4000+ amputations each year due to table saws
?!? I guess I'd always assumed that the only people who use table saws are those This Old House, New Yankee Workshop-type guys, who wear faded blue jeans with artisanal leather vests, and who never make mistakes with their woodworking tools.
Lots of people are being disabused of their notions about the competence of white people.
16: I can't evaluate that because I don't read OP links. Anyway the one story was different, butchers removing some kind of barrier thingy from a band saw, which would have kept their hands out of harm's way, but fuck that shit they're badass. And that shop was German, most competent of all white peoples.
My dad had the most raggedy-ass table saw from Sears. The thing had an exposed belt drive attached to a giant electric motor, with no blade guard or any of that shit. Dad used to take it to the back yard and cut firewood with it. My brother has it now, and has offered it to me, but I don't really have space for a table saw.
I don't really have space limbs for a table saw.
FTFY.
Okay, folks! I am off to my week in Wisconsin, mostly northern WI, and the anger and alienation I feel is kind of insane already. To be fair this transit day (with 5yo, without spouse) is going to round out at 20 hours, so that might be a confound.
Chatty young ppl headed to Wausau from O'Hare. Everyone is a little loopy. Not a wholly white crowd. I look blond and dour enough for legions.
(Hydrobatidae, salutations)
And that shop was German, most competent of all white peoples.
Especially at 20th century world war.
23: a 0-2 record doesn't look tremendously competent.
On the internet, no-one knows when your tongue is in your cheek.
I only just learned those Turtledove books were fiction from the other thread.
Especially at 20th century world war.
Actually, Germans were strikingly incompetent at 20th century world war. They completely fucked it up twice in the space of thirty years.
They didn't even get as far into Russia as the French did back before motorized transport was a thing.
29: hmm, debatable. They didn't get to Moscow, but they got to the Volga, which Napoleon didn't.
Was there any point in getting to the Volga then?
Marshall Ney wouldn't have known where to the put oil in a horse.
Was there any point in getting to the Volga then?
If they wanted to lose an entire army group at Stalingrad, then they had to reach the Volga.
22: Greetings from O'Hare. Headed to the homeland and was supposed to get new visa. But due to university regulations, that's doubtful. Should be a relaxing vacation :|
I was in Midway yesterday. It looked normal.
The Southwest flight attendant made a joke about how they beat the competition, not the passengers. Usually the corny shtick gets old, but I laughed at that one.
23: The best of the "America #1, European country #2" videos that were floating around Europe at the beginning of the year was the German one. It really nailed Trump's style of speech. The best bit was "We had two world wars. They were the best world wars... in the world, and if anyone says Germany lost them, that's Fake News".
36: There's a Dauntless bomber on the ceiling.
Germany never inspired a Tolstoy novel. Clear win.
That's what you think.
Is "accidental" retweeting the new dogwhistle? Within I think the same space of 12 hours, Trump / that cartoon and our local sheriff's office / Richard Spencer. Both disavowed and deleted.
"My fear is that the whole island [of Guam] will become so overpopulated that it will tip over and capsize."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjG958lZ1KI
"We don't anticipate that happening."
Hope the navy guy got a medal for that one.
Going out on a limb, there, Admiral. As soon as Guam starts heeling, your career is done for.
Your new career as a dog trainer, though, just took off.
Jumping in to reinforce that, at least with table saws, the safety measures tend to be clumsy and shitty, basically intended to cheaply protect the careless and incompetent while allowing them to do crappy work. IME the most important safety feature is a readily-available kill switch that can be operated with more or less any available extremity.
By contrast, the safety guard on my chop saw is very elegant and I almost never* in any way prevent its normal operation. I don't think woodworkers and carpenters are especially dismissive of safety features, but their threshold for tolerating friction is very, very low.
*the only exception is that sometimes, with big/awkward pieces of wood, the guard catches and you can't cut at all without nudging it
kill switch that can be operated with more or less any available extremity
That's why so many woodshops have porn on the wall.
OT: So my cousin died and I typed in his name and city. His voting address and party identification (Democrat) was the first hit. Is that for everybody in North Carolina?
I was looking for the time of the service, not checking his politics.
I think if everyone in North Carolina were a Democrat we'd be in a very different world right now.
How wrong is it that I want to listen to "The Statue Got Me High" right now?
More wrong than wanting earlier to parody the ticky tacky boxes song re: Tiki torches?
I wonder what was done in the past with other safety technology.
One field that's quite different is automobiles. Mercedes has quite a few patents for safety equipment, and they have repeatedly stated that they're not going to sue anyone that uses their technology. Copy away!
Yeah, I googled "seat belt patent" and it seems Volvo gave manufacturers permission to copy away.
This story is on topic. The picture looks kind of surreal until you think about it, then it gets to be a horror.
in such a way that the gun would be facing his body when he pulled the trigger
I think I see the problem here.
It is actually quite difficult to think of a safety mechanism that will protect people who are prepared to point a gun at their own chests and pull the trigger. Possibly mittens.
I'm pretty sure I've actually done that when I was framing houses. You need one hand to hold the gun, so to apply pressure you need the other hand and your body. Anyway, with framing, the wood is bigger so it seems safer.
They told me about the guy who nailed his foot to the subfloor. That also seems pretty easy to have happen when you are moving quickly.
They told me about the guy who nailed his foot to the subfloor.
WELL, I MEAN, HE HAD TO. I HAD TRANSGRESSED THE UNWRITTEN LAW.
I think the law you transgressed was written, but you threw away the OSHA pamphlet.