I almost want to start a subreddit whining about, I don't know - frisbee golf - and how it oppresses me, as a well-compensated white, male corporate drone.
Doesn't matter what the topic is. Pylons would work fine with the right hook. If people who look like me whine, the NYT will run an ego-fluffer on it. I can't tell if it is me or if they are getting worse over time, but I am somewhat ashamed to say I'm finding the Post actually improved since being absorbed by the Borgazon.
They say that on their deathbed nobody ever wishes they'd maximized the amount of time and effort they spent being a shithead.
I think they are wrong.
I read some of the MRA stuff. It's a gateway drug into fascism and for many white supremacy. There are different strains and different degrees of virulence, but men's rights stuff can't really be separated from a general reactionary world view and support for a society none of us are interested in living in.
Isn't this guy just applying for a right-wing talk show job rather than keep up with technology? He's at the right age for giving up on learning shit.
Anyway, when it's time for me to get fired, I hope I have the decency to just start showing up to work drunk instead of trying to blame other people.
That article is complete trash. I count three well-known MRA figures (aside from the rising star centerpiece) cited favorably, or at least dispassionately, with zero rebuttals from moderate voices, to say nothing of actual feminist voices.
It's hard to tell if the Times is actively trying to bury what's left of its reputation or what.
The Times has certainly gotten worse. I don't know if the Post has gotten better or if it stayed the same while the world got worse, but I now read the WP every day.
I feel like WP has improved. But I'm super flaky about knowing where I read something. I'm always amazed when you all have opinions of specific journalists.
Me? Next week I won't even remember that Jonathan Chait is a shithead.
"If your journalist claims (s)he isn't a shithead, check it out."
"What Google did was wake up sectors of society that weren't into these issues before," said Paul Elam, who runs A Voice for Men, a men's rights group.
For real? Quit biting our style, MRA doofuses!
So, looked up the reporter elsewhere and she seems like a solidly liberal/progressive native San Francisco upper-crust type. Personally, if I wrote for the Times, I would make more of my stuff private. With a piece like this though, you wonder how much of it is the editor fucking with it. There could easily have been great feminists quoted in the original, and they got edited out for space, allegedly. I'm still bitter about the state of journalism, in case you were wondering.
Haberman's unwavering and irrational defense of the NYT email behavior is bizarre. Her rebuttal today to Nate Silver's jab about the email* story happening with the active participation of the Times was essentially, "So what, loser, you said Trump only had a 30% chance but he won so you don't know anything about politics."
*Today's hook being that Trump's admin is doing everything they accused Hillary of doing. Pure projection- was it someone here who said Trump must have made a deal with a witch who cast a spell letting him become President, but only if he did every single thing he ever attacked other people for doing?
I'm guessing that before Trump is over, we'll have an actual pizza restaurant that is used by people in his campaign to engage in human trafficking.
15 is quite likely the only thing that will bring me joy tonight, but it's so much joy that I don't even care.
"I can't believe liberals won't admit that the Klan has the bossest, most radical names ever! Imperial Wizard! Grand Dragon! Kleagles of Death Metal!" said the very serious James Damore, soft-spokenly and earnestly.
15. With Trump, it'll probably be inhuman trafficking. Mutants. Days of Future Past is already here!
Human trafficking by aliens, like in They Live.
Anyway, this is of a piece with the continuing confusion at the Times between radical goals and mild-mannered affect. If you ignore all the rape threats, the MRAs and redpillers are just college-educated white guys in polo shirts: what could be more soothing to a Times reporter? So all these pieces get to, at best, "How could these normal people have these crazy ideas?" and at worst something that reads more like a what'll-those-kids-do-next piece about fidget spinners when it's talking about a bunch of dudes who range from Peter Thiel's anti-suffrage musings to people who admire Elliot Rodger.
(My friend in Baton Rouge was screaming on Facebook about white people coming out of the woodwork to wax sorrowful/puzzled about the nice young Hitler enthusiast who randomly shot two black guys on the street, one of whom was on his way to work at a restaurant she waitressed at in college. Some of them even piped up early on to ask why the cops and reporters weren't being more polite, since he hadn't been arrested yet and didn't they know this could ruin his life?)
20.2 WTF? Did I read that right?
Damore is another one who needs to be punched in his ugly assbeak-like raptor face until he goes away forever.
This fine American. There was a period after he was first declared to be a person of interest but then released. After that, he was arrested again (I think an outstanding warrant on a shoplifting charge from a bookstore?) and released on bail, at which point people my friend knew started wondering why the police were hassling a polite young Eagle Scout when there was a murderer on the loose.
Until the women in tech movement, no man believed that maybe a woman could head a division of a company devoted to fashion, but never a division about cars.
I couldn't decide if the journalist was just feeding these losers rope with which to hang themselves. The guy who's calling from a soundproof room, lest his female cow-orkers find out what he's saying? How can that be real?
The first few tweets I saw link to that article were by women who'd experienced harassment who praised the reporter for getting guys on the record explicitly saying shitty things about women. On that measure, they thought it was helpful in providing something for them to point to when others' doubted that there were men who really believed that shit.
The obvious danger is that presenting the men's righists' views that way also gives them wider circulation and, for some readers, legitimacy. It reminds of one of Emerson's (former commenter, not Ralph Waldo) critiques of the media, that there's a kind of writing that assumes that discerning, probably liberal, readers will read the piece the "right" way - in this case: these guys' shitty views, let me show you them - but this "right" way is never made explicit and the door is open for people to assign their own interpretations of the "neutral" reporting.
At least I think that was an Emerson critique.
27. If you advertise MRA views, regardless of the attitude you take to them, you are showing that there are enough* MRA supporters out there that it might be a legitimate thing to buy into if you share some of their views.
The MRA thing has been out there long enough that (as usual) the NYT is late to the party and it's a little late to worry that it will cause "wrong" responses.
* Given the NYT's weird trend reporting, "enough" could be as few as two, if they live in Manhattan.
this "right" way is never made explicit
A few weeks ago some people hung a banner at Fenway park that said "'Racism Is as American as Baseball" and a not-insignificant number of people wondered if they were defending racism.
Until the women in tech movement, no man believed that maybe a woman could head a division of a company devoted to fashion, but never a division about cars.
And how many divisions do women in tech have?
Damore is another one who needs to be punched in his ugly assbeak-like raptor face until he goes away forever.
This is correct. Dude has caused too much suffering.
When you're some random guy
Who's a sexist inside
That's Damore
When you open your mouth
You're a sexist, no doubt
That's Damore
A google tech bro
Who thinks women can't code
That's Damore
Now you have a new job
As a Breitbart news slob
That's Damore
35 Truly.
Saw someone on Twitter say his 15 minutes were up an hour ago.
I agree with 27 and 30. I would think that the journalist here is negligent, rather than malicious, but wouldn't jump to say the same about the editors on up.
Maybe a followup story on how if the guy didn't get fired for saying that shit, maybe everything he says about witch-hunting culture is a damn lie. A headline like "Whiny Snowflakes Make Shit Up, Continue Harassing Women" would get me to click.
