Re: Bad Words

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"Dadgum" is also big among the Fess Parker co-players.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 5:52 AM
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We're becoming sweary asf.

I thought it was af.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 6:00 AM
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If you compare that map to a map of population density, you kind of wonder how much of the map isn't just filled in because some kid in high school likes to say "shit" on Twitter.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 6:03 AM
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I'm waiting until the inevitable Language Log post before making any comment on the substance.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 6:09 AM
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Language Log, Star Date 156245.223: I have just encountered a strange new planet where people say "Cunt" in place of most common and proper nouns. Going to investigate with First Officer Spock and three extras in red shirts.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 6:33 AM
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Is 'fuckboy' swearing? I mean, it incorporates an obscenity, but I had gotten the impression that it was more a word denoting an identifiable social phenomenon than an epithet. Come to think, I guess I'd put 'douchebag' in the same category.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 7:03 AM
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Also, what the hell is up with the West Coast and 'faggot'?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 7:04 AM
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They're a potty mouthed bunch in Maine, aren't they?


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 7:06 AM
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h/t apo


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 7:18 AM
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7: I assumed it was in-group usage.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 7:22 AM
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Oh, that makes perfect sense and I should have thought of it. But then I would think of it as dropping out of the category of swears.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 7:25 AM
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The good people at Summer's Eve probably feel the same about douchebag.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 7:26 AM
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And it's funny, even for ingroup usage, that is regional. I'd double-take at someone saying 'faggot' around here even if I knew they were gay and using it as an ingroup member -- not that I'd be offended under those circumstances once I had a moment to think, but I don't hear it used like that.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 7:27 AM
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But I agree with your point. I haven't heard it used in maybe five or six years. My guess would be not ingroup usage, but high school-aged fuckheads.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 7:28 AM
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Oh, that makes perfect sense and I should have thought of it. But then I would think of it as dropping out of the category of swears.
The study methodology doesn't distinguish between vulgar and non-vulgar usage.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 7:30 AM
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It makes sense to me for the same reason you see "hell" and "damn" in the Bible Belt. They're swearing in such a way as to give the most offense to the locals.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 7:31 AM
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Yeah, there's a pretty well known phenomenon that swearing in Northern European (broadly protestant) languages tends to be scatological while in Southern European (broadly Catholic) languages it tends to be religio-familial.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 7:37 AM
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Perfectly perched in the middle, Switzerland has cheese-based swearing.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 7:43 AM
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I'm most curious about the cunt cluster around Bugtussle KY.


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 7:48 AM
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Sure looks like Mormons or their superculture prefer "crap" to stronger swears.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 7:49 AM
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Big on 'slut' as well. Which is fascinatingly distinct from 'whore', regional-usage-wise.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 7:51 AM
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When my son was little, he pronounced "horror" with a very indistinct second syllable. This was awkward.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 7:53 AM
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19: mouseover.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 8:04 AM
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23 Seconded.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 8:32 AM
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The c-word in New England is surely due to stronger regional ties to Europe, much like their lack of support for the War of 1812.

Interesting that Philadelphians like "bitch" while New Yorkers don't. Especially since Philly's usage is contiguous with the South.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 8:40 AM
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I don't naturally use any good swears in Irish (as opposed to Hiberno-English), since my father didn't use anything but the mildest ones in front of us. The modern online dictionary translates nearly all of them as "golly" except for one which probably corresponds to "damn!". Swear words are mostly religious-ish, with invocations of the devil and of the old pagan god Crom as the strongest. Words meaning "fuck" are not curses at all but "fuck" has been borrowed wholesale into the vernacular at this stage.
The oddest exclamation is a phrase entirely in English, "by dad" which no-one except slightly old-fashioned Irish speakers would use.


Posted by: emir | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 9:07 AM
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I had no idea "Crom" existed outside of Conan the Barbarian.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 9:09 AM
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"by dad" or "bedad" is the sort of thing that I thought only comic 19th century stage Irishmen said.
And I am of course delighted that people still swear by Crom.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 9:10 AM
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Is it actually a god, or short for Cromwell?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 9:12 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crom_Cruach


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 9:14 AM
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Now I'm wondering if there was actually a garden-variety snake cult that was surprisingly multi-ethnic.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 9:14 AM
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Though your explanation is better and I recommend it to Tim Powers for his novel about the mystical secret history of the Troubles.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 9:15 AM
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26: I see "foc" a lot on Twitter, which I've been assuming is that loan.

Putting "golly" into Teanglann gets me "Mhiricín!" which looks suspiciously similar to the word for American, with a diminutive.

For "Dar Crom" it glosses it as "By Jove!" which is just so charming.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 9:15 AM
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Oh please give us some good Crom swears!


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 9:16 AM
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30: I mean, does the swear actually point at the god?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 9:19 AM
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It also has "In ainm Crom" which is glossed as "By the name of Providence" but clearly should be IN THE NAME OF CROM. Can't wait to hear what emir has.

Curiously: "Domhnach Crom Dubh", the last Sunday in July. Or the Sunday of Black Crom. The Black Sunday of Crom[, the Merciless]? I haven't yet grokked the associativity of the genitive.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 9:20 AM
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"Valor pleases you, Crom. So grant me one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then to HELL with you!"


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 9:21 AM
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Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, or why we died. All that matters is that two stood against many. That's what's important! Valor pleases you, Crom... so grant me one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then to HELL with you!


Posted by: Opinionated Conan | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 9:21 AM
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Crom doesn't protect his worshipers from being pwned, so to hell with him.


Posted by: Opinionated Conan | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 9:22 AM
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5: I'm intrigued to watch this episode and find out whether they're in Scotland or the Antipodes.


Posted by: Seeds | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 9:31 AM
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Conan became a king by his own hand, if you know what I mean.


Posted by: Opinionated Seinfeld | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 9:35 AM
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But he wasn't master of his domain, if you know what I mean.


Posted by: Opinionated George Costanza | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 10:05 AM
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I don't have anything further beyond "In ainm Chroim" (I've never heard "dar Crom" in the wild but it seems ... perfectly cromulent (I swear I started to type that before I noticed).

Teanglann and in particular FGB is authoritative for the language and its grammar as of 1977 and great for all the example phrases and sentences. Foclóir.ie has a lot of the more modern and slangy usages.

Running "by dad" through the corpus at gaois.ie confirms my suspicion that is is mainly used by oul' fellas in the West.

Domhnach Crom Dubh in this case I think is Sunday of Black Crom - what you'd never guess is that the same date is also known as "Reek Sunday" or Domhnach na Cruaiche, the day when Croagh Patrick is climbed. The inference is that the Christians took over the feast day and the mountain.

Crom seems to be the only pre-Christian god to have survived in folklore but I suspect this to be because the monks included him in their stories as a nasty contrast to the new kinder religion.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 10:13 AM
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I can't identify what "muiricín" is (unless it's a kind of fish) but I doubt it has anything to do with "Meireacánach". Perhaps like "muise" it's a euphemistic version of Muire.

"By Jove" is used to gloss any amount of exclamations in the older dictionaries. It always makes me think of the grown-up Peter and Edmund in The Last Battle.


Posted by: emir | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 10:30 AM
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Oh, dear God, I got totally lost in the link, and only surfaced, gasping for breath, after finding a headline attributed to the Sunday Sport -- "Sex with Greggs pasty boiled my bellend"

I would not, however, wear the T shirt. That's carrying the joke too far.


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 10:44 AM
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"Dadgum" is of course only "god damn" euphemized and backwards. They should be ashamed!

Also strange pride that New England is super-red for all the worst ones super-blue for the wimpy ones: "Gosh!"


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 10-18-17 1:46 PM
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Dadgum is probably Wrigley's. I don't what the kids chew these days. I expect they're too busy vaping.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-19-17 6:23 AM
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