That made me feel better, like I'm doing O.K. Today I had a whole bunch of vegetables and none of them were fries.
I'm voluntarily eating a raw carrot right now.
I have a colleague who eats like that. Though he doesn't pick out vegetables if they happen to be in a mostly-meat dish.
A friend of mine had a PA - well, his group had a PA, she wasn't just his PA - who was such a weird and fussy eater that she actually ended up going on sick leave for four weeks with scurvy. Yes, this was in central London rather than aboard the Crimson Permanent Assurance during its crossing of the Pacific or something.
I was wondering about scurvy! I had a grad school acquaintance who didn't eat fruits or vegetables (or said he didn't). His daily lunch was something like milk, peanut butter and jelly sandwich on white bread, a bag of potato chips, and two chocolate chip cookies. I would think jelly would sort of count as fruit, but he disagreed. Maybe there was one kind he'd eat, like only bananas or something. He definitely fit this profile, though.
I'm a picky eater to the point where it's sort of embarrassing, but luckily, my dislikes are generally less conspicuous. I don't like seafood, cheese, or eggs (think scrambled, hard boiled, deviled, over easy, not custard or baked goods). I'm not fond of nuts or carbonated beverages, either, but I've worked hard on being able to finish a beer (goals!). I do keep trying these things occasionally, and it turns out that I just really don't like them. It turns out my father had quite a few of the same dislikes when he was younger. He claims to have either outgrown them or his sense of taste has dulled enough that he finds the flavor more palatable.
Yeah this makes me feel better too. I'm not a picky eater, but I think I might have a disorder. I just eat too much.
5: thing is that it's really quite difficult to avoid vitamin C entirely. Even if you eat no fruit or vegetables, there's fruit juice (much of which is vitamin C enriched), meat, milk... and you have to go for about a month without vitamin C before scurvy starts to set in. She must have been on a very odd diet.
6: as long as one's not lactase-deficient, sure.
Wait. Milk and meat (except organ meat) doesn't have vitamin C.
8: There was just a medical mystery in the New York Times about a woman with scurvy. Apparently, she had some sort of digestive problem that led her to avoid citrus. I suspected they must have underplayed how restrictive her diet was, but my understanding is that VitC is not present in very large quantities in cooked meat. You need to eat raw liver or something (maybe adrenal glands, like Halford's dude?). And I think you can be suboptimal for quite a while and eventually be deficient enough to actually get sick.
Maybe she tried to avoid scurvy by upping her vitamin D? (This reminds me that some people seem to say "Vitamin D milk" instead of "whole milk" because of how it is labeled.)
Anyway, I'm eating bagels, but they have raisins in them for vitamins.
7: You live in a place where they will put mayo (or, more probably, Miracle Whip) on the sushi.
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Paul Ryan is moving to the center with that?
Can we rank the vitamins on a coolness/lameness scale?Vitamin A seems like the lamest. Eat carrots, "improve your night vision." First, that seems like bullshit to start with, I doubt carrots do that much for your night vision, second who gives a shit there is this important invention, the lamp. Vitamin C definitely feels like the top-tier vitamin.
That was a stressful read, and I kind of boggle at the existence of those people. It was, however, reassuring that I'm doing just fine, for myself and my kid.
(I think I'm part rabbit sometimes, like when I feel compelled to buy a head of red lettuce at the grocery store and then eat the whole thing when I get to the car.)
17: I was surprised to learn there is an actual vitamin K. I thought it was just slang for ketamine.
This is my daily reminder that I worry over things too much and really am in a better place than I usually think. Recently I've been a tiny bit worried about Atossa getting too much fruit in her diet and therefore developing a sweet tooth, but too much fruit is a good problem to have in comparison to this, and anyways she's not even 3 yet.
These days I eat a lot, but it's a lot more healthy stuff than the guys in this article, and I also get decent exercise. I don't step on a scale often but my waistline hasn't changed in years, FWIW.
[internet search re vitamins] Wait, there are vitamins that don't have letters? "Manganese"'is a vitamin? That sounds like something you mine in the third world under oppressive conditions in vast pits to raise foreign capital to buy weapons for your dictatorship.
I knew a guy who only ate microwave burritos or something and got scurvy.
Could God make a microwave burrito so nutritionally deficient it would give Him scurvy?
22: Manganese is a metal, and yes, you're right
Speaking of heavy metal vitamins, will the steel tariffs affect the price of multivitamins with iron?
Great elementary school science fair experiment: Float several brands of cereal flakes in a tub of water, add a big magnet, and see which one moves to the magnet fastest. Total really does have more iron than corn flakes, which has more iron than a generic.
22: Thiamin and riboflavin are two more, right? From memory. This is me showing off the fact that I read the nutrition labels on food now and then. Fun fact, sugar is the second or third ingredient on a whole lot of things.
I couldn't make it through the article.
Nothing brings out the judgemental mean kid in me more than exactly this kind of eating behaviour. Every time I hear somebody say "I don't really like vegetables," they are instantly written off as a moron. Even a strongly-expressed food aversion of one of the more common varieties, like to olives, makes me suspicious about a person's character.
But I realise this is unreasonable and probably says something unflattering about my own psychology b/c it's not like other people's food preferences affect me or tell me much of importance about them. And there are certainly things I don't want to eat. I think it's the association with picky eating as a childish behaviour, maybe, and adults acting like children is an annoying thing I feel like I have to put up with a lot.
Sorry for judging you, picky eaters everywhere. (You buncha babies.)
What if the aversion is to objectively inedible food, like lutefisk?
But I realise this is unreasonable and probably says something unflattering about my own psychology b/c it's not like other people's food preferences affect me or tell me much of importance about them. And there are certainly things I don't want to eat. I think it's the association with picky eating as a childish behaviour, maybe, and adults acting like children is an annoying thing I feel like I have to put up with a lot.
What gets my own goat is how boring the things they do eat are. It's not like they are rejecting vegetables in favour of, I don't know, puffins. It's burgers and plain pizza and chicken nuggets. I really don't get people who are satisfied with a monotonous diet (it's why my aversion to the whole Soylent concept is so strong).
I would eat a puffin, if you can provide one.
And it's sustainability harvested. I don't want to eat the last one or anything.
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I find the gender dynamics of it fascinating. I've known men who thought of not eating vegetables as something they could do because they were grown men (dammit), and men who lived on bachelor chow until they were married and their wives got their diets on track. But the stereotype overlooks a lot of paleobros, who whatever their flaws take cooking and nutrition seriously.
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36: Yes, men are good at finding a way to be an asshole about something from many different directions.
Lettuce, tomato and on your burger to impress your date!
WOMEN CAN BE ASSHOLES TOO
Right, right. Just like the cigarette commercials always said.
To be more clear, men are good at tying their assholery to "masculinity" from different directions on the same topic.
32-33: Puffin is delicious. You can eat it in Iceland; where the hunting is regulated. It's the darkest bird flesh I've had and more flavorful than duck.
Re Vitamin C: a lot of grains and flours are fortified with random vitamins. If you eat non-root-vegetable carbs in significant vegetables I'd think it'd be hard to get scurvy.
"Contains 85% of Random Daily Allowance."
I've eaten puffin. I feel like there are better foods, unless you are in the Faeroe Islands in winter without access to fish.
45.1 is both very wrong and makes me wonder if Ponder Stibbons is actually OPINIONATED SEAL.
Does it make you all bloated?
I'M MORE INTO GERMAN MEAT IYKWIMAITYD.
It's interesting, all the online references on scurvy say that fresh meat - not the salt meat on long ship voyages - has enough vitamin C to prevent it, but then USDA and other nutritional references agree with Moby's 9 in saying a serving of meat provides 0mg vitamin C (except organ meat).
Maybe to fend off scurvy you only need micrograms of it, not the milligrams normally disclosed?
50: It took me a while to figure out 50, and when I finally did, I groaned.
Has someone written The Scurvy Dietyet? It could be a bestseller.
What am I, chopped puffin?
I'm feeling more virtuous about my whisky sours.
55 was a surprisingly deep cut.
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This reminded me of a passage in Good Omens (I think) -- the devil brags about one of his great achievements -- American fast food. Irresistible foods so completely devoid of nutritional content that obese people are dying of malnutrition.
You can eat less than the recommended amount of vitamin C and still not get scurvy. And the Inuit and other similar chaps eat a lot of their meat and fish raw, which helps.
I've always wondered how they (people who eat like small boys or the Inuit) avoid constant hemorrhoids, but there's probably no good way to ask.
I like Terry Pratchett but was distinctly underwhelmed by Good Omens.
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OT: attending a Gaudy tonight. The performance metrics are:
number of old friends re-encountered (target:20)
ditto, eccentric dons (target: 4)
number of attractive undergraduates leered at (target: 2)
number of obscene and threatening messages received (target: 0)
number of punts used (target: 1)
number of classical references used (target: 15)
Stand by for updates.
number of obscene and threatening messages received (target: 0)
Wimp.
I had a roommate who gave himself pellagra by eating nothing but fried plantains for two months. The only thing he learned how to cook from his family was frito pie (fritos, canned chili, shredded cheddar cheese microwaved in a bowl.)
I would say it's gendered, but now that he's planning on transitioning in the near future I'm going to have to rethink how to make fun of men while being sensitive to proper pronoun use.
He knew how to make frito pie yet ate nothing but plantains? What was he thinking?
I know *I'm* thinking I could kill for some frito pie right now. I don't think you can even buy fritos in this country.
The only person I know who refuses to eat vegetables is a woman age ~25. She has other personality traits you might expect from the guys in these articles, such as talking about farts a lot, and mocking "Tumblrinas" and trigger warnings. Maybe she'll grow out of it.
This is different from the personality trait "vehemently anti-vegetarian and always eating steak and talking about steak all the time and how you have to eat it rare and sear it for exactly 90 seconds and never put any seasoning on it, or only put this one seasoning on it, blah blah blah". Surprisingly this is also equally common in males and females in my experience.
I ate Frito pie for dinner three times this week. We're back from camping.
69: Welcome back, heebie! How was your camping trip?
Really wonderful. It's very dry and dusty out there, though. Glad to be home.
My uncle got scurvy at one point when he was a young adult. I'm not sure exactly what his diet was like.
17: you're objecting to beta carotene. Organ meats are full of pre-formed vitamin A. As a proper paleo eater, you should be enamored of offal.
I thought it was really hard to get scurvy, because even minute quantities of Vitamin C (far below the RDA) will prevent it, and also because Vitamin C is in everything, not just fresh fruits and vegetables, but total junk like Froot Loops and Taco Bell hot sauce. You'd have to be really, really determined to eat not just garbage, but a very limited range of specially-selected garbage.
45: I can only speak to the preparation of puffin I had in Iceland. No doubt there are ways to prepare it badly.
I too was underwhelmed by puffin and also by whale. I'm a big fan of lamb sandwiches with crispy onions, though, and i've never had scurvy.
I can only speak to the preparation of puffin I had in Iceland.
"We're going to kill you, apply heat, and eat your corpse. But I want you to know it's nothing personal."
I assume everyone is watching UMBC beat UVA right now?
We've had a copy of the Lusiads on the shelf since grad school, but before trying to work out 55 I never realized it had a scurvy episode, and now I'm sort of tempted to read it.
77: I was underwhelmed by whale too. It was too much like beef. Besides fish, my favorite meats in Iceland were horse, puffin, and the lamb soup.
At lunch with co-workers* today, the subject of whether beef or lamb has more protein came up and I suggested that the answer was whichever would win in a fight.
*I was going to write "cow-orkers" but then I saw that the sentence was going to be about eating cows and/or making them fight lambs.
If we're talking Icelandic food, hakaral is the only food I've ever been near that was not only too gross to eat, but whose overwhelming odor actually cleared an entire room full of people who had no intention of eating it, sinply because of the overwhelming odor. Sure, your food may be gross, but does it have people opening the windows gasping for air and running into the street to get away from it?
I eat only hakaral and durian.
The classic point by point comparison of hakarl and surstromming.
yes, but as is pointed out in the comments, no one but a lunatic or a tourist eats surströmming straight from the can. It's actually OK when small pieces are wrapped in soft bread, with potatoes and onion and a huge shot of vodka.
And, you know, it's hunger food. It's what they fed the armies on in the 30 years' war.
Sorry. I'm being hectoring and touchy. Distressed that I have to put my mother into a home.
I'm very sorry about that NW. That's a tough one.
Yes, we've all done that. It's rough.
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Wait. When you get hectoring and touchy in the midst of an emotional crisis involving one of the hardest issues in life, the decline of a parent, you issue a mild (and accurate) online correction on surstromming? That's the kind of thing I'd do after a pleasant meal on a nice vacation while feeling great.
It's what they fed the armies on in the 30 years' war.
Victorious armies, no less.
I don't want to know what the losers ate.
Everything they could lay their hands on.
Jesus fucking Christ, Halford, you call yourself a metal freak and you can't even put the diaeresis on surströmming!
(is that the sort of correction you'd prefer?)
Could God make a microwave burrito so nutritionally deficient it would give Him scurvy?
This keeps making me laugh.
Fussy eating in general, feels very gendered to me, but it's not men that are the gender in question. However, the "no vegetables, just boring carbs and meat" is more of a man, thing, definitely.
I find myself becoming more fussy as I get older. There's certain things I just don't particularly like, and I basically don't bother eating them anymore. I don't like fruit, very much, for example. Not never. Sometimes a nice crisp apple, or some grapes, is perfect. Sour citrus in cooking is fantastic. But I could happily never eat a banana, or most soft fruits, ever again. Similarly, roasted vegetables. I really like most vegetables, but if you make them soft and more sugary, I probably won't want to have them. There may be a theme there.
ttaM, rugged individualist of the dinner table.
Time to update the things which ming list again, I guess.
(the list.)
It's too bad 100 wasn't Kobe beef! except done in a funny way.
99. No, I'm largely on team ttaM here. Ripe bananas are one of the few foods I find actively disgusting, and most fruit (exc. apples, grapes and oranges) I prefer dried to fresh. Basically the test there is, would you want to eat it with any kind of cheese?
Chutneys tend to be soft and sugary and they're great with cheese.
re: 100
I've come round on brown rice, although I'm fussy about how it's cooked. Still totally hate pumpkin and related squash-like vegetables. Which harmonises with the list in 98. It's basically mushy and somewhat sweet plant-derived things.*
On the other hand, any vegetable that can be eaten raw, or only lightly cooked -- stir fried, steamed, parboiled, etc -- I really like. It's not veg in general.
re: 102
Yes, ripe bananas. Ech. I even hate the smell of them. Which is ironic, as there's always loads in the house for the other family members.
* although I love dahl, and all kinds of things made from pulses that are similar in texture.
This is all a bit foreign to me. I prefer some foods to others of course but there are almost none that I outright won't eat. Very highly spiced foods, and jellyfish (don't like the texture) and that's it.
Jellfish wasn't terrible when I had it, I just didn't see the point. The texture was not great, as Ajay says, and it basically tasted of nothing.
re: 105
It's not that I wouldn't eat them. If someone served them up to me at something, or I was at someone's house, I'd eat it. I'd just never choose to cook it, or buy it in a restaurant.
I'm guessing this isn't "Swedish Fish".
Ume and I ate something called "mountain Jellyfish" (apparently a sort of root vegetable) in the mountains recently. Not by itself worth a special trip. Neither was the grey slimy substance, the consistency of firm snot and without any discernible flavour, which I was assured was eaten by real gourmets solely to provide a contrast in texture with anything you might actually want to eat.
But what does "Jellyfish" mean in the U.K. (or, Scotland)? Because this is a "separated by a common language" thing, unless people are actually eating those oceanic floating bags with tentacles.
Only in silence the word, only in dark the light, only in slime texture: fresh the chef's meal on the bright platter.
I tried googling, but it turns out that people keep jellyfish as pets and need to feed them. It also turns out that you can eat jellyfish, but you need to be Asian first.
I tried googling, but it turns out that people keep jellyfish as pets
I remember that episode of SpongeBob! It didn't work out well.
Vinegared jellyfish is actually a pretty good appetizer. (One of the "you know you've been in Japan too long when ..." jokes is that all your favorite bar snacks have tentacles. It's true.)
The slimy stuff NW hated was konnyaku (devil's tongue jelly). I googled "mountain jellyfish" in Japanese, and it's apparently a mutant form of lettuce called celtuce.
You've been in Japan too long when your favorite art has tentacles too.
I dreamed about eating sliced banana on a burger a few nights ago. It still seems like a good idea.
re: 117
That might work if it was plantain. Which is fine, with spicy food.